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need an apology. i'm jesse waters in for bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight wlb major controversy erupting between one of america's biggest broadcasters and a republican presidential candidate who one tv network executive just compared to a racist killer. welcome to the kelly file. i'm megyn kelly. just 24 hours ago the nation's largest spanish tv network, yuan vision along with the washington post announced plans to sponsor a republican candidates forum in march. tonight, that may be in question. amid reports that you any vision's president of programming posted and then deleted this.
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an image on instagram associating donald trump with the masked murderer who killed nine people in charleston last week. it comes as univision announces it is dropping a tv deal to carry the ms. universe program which trump produces because it objects to remarks that mr. trump made when he declared his run for president. >> when mexico sends its people they're not sending their best. they're not sending you. they're not sending you. they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with them. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. they're rapists. and some i assume are good people. >> mark tee son and harvey kurtz are here on the politics and the media here. first mr. trump weighs in on being compared to an accused mass murderer. >> mr. trump, thank you for being here tonight. your reaction now to the fact
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that this -- the president of programming and content at univision sent out a picture on his instagram account comparing you to a mass murderer. >> well i think it's disgraceful. i think he should be ashamed of himself. he immediately deleted it and the lawyers are going to have a field day. as you know, they broke a contract. we have a binding five-year contract where they pay a lot of money. they broke it and they're not allowed to do that. they have no right to break it. and frankly mention cob, thar people and leaders are much smarter than our leaders. they're taking advantage of the united states at the border and on trade. the reason that univision broke the contract atremendous amount of pressure was put on frankly by mexico and by the leaders of mexico put on univision because they didn't like what i was saying an trade. >> they went on the record and say it was the comments you made based on your recent quote
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insulting remarks about mexican immigrants. >> frankly tremendously bad people are coming in. all you have to do is speak to the border patrol. they'll tell you. we have some terrible people coming in not only from mexico. they're flowing through mexico through the border but they're coming from all over. and they are killers and they are people that we don't want in this country in many cases. i speak my mind. i make speeches about it. i get the biggest crowds. i get the biggest standing ovations. everybody knows what imooh saying is true. obviously they're going to try to send lots of bad ones. certainly some wonderful people come through. they should do it in a legal fashion. >> let me ask you about univision specifically. what do you make of this television company. now its president of content suggesting you're just like a mass murderer then their lead news maker sent out the new york
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daily news cover that puts you in a clown face with favor. so he favors this. this is their news anchor likely to be the person who will participate in the hosting of the presidential forerum. my question is will you attend if they in fact are allowed to host this? >> well i don't think they should be allowed. it's a total conflict. they're also big supporters of hillary clinton. if you look at the people from univision they're big supporters of hillary clinton. >> would you go and sit there at univision for a forum after this? >> based on the polls i easily qualify and i would pbably go because i have to go and defend myself. they may be tougher on me than anybody else because certainly the people i am running against -- jeb bush does not speak this way, that i can tell you. if jeb bush was in my position, he would have fold lded. all i have to do is be silent
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and mexico would continue to rip us off for years to come. that's not what your country needs to be great again. >> always great to hear from you. thank you for being here joining me now, howie kurtz, host of fox immediate's news was. mark inappropriate? >> oh my gosh completely inappropriate. i don't associate myself at all with what donald trump said at all about mexicans but for the senior executive to compare him to a mass murderer. this guy, as you pointed out, is the president for content and programming at this network. the guy is responsible for the content at univision think it's appropriate to send out a tweet, an instagram photo comparing a republican presidential candidate to a white supremacist that just massacred nine people. what does that say about the culture at univision that the
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person who is responsible for thash content this i this is appropriate to do. >> are we expected to see the rest of the media to rise up and say inappropriate. can you imagine what would happen if a senior executive at the fox news channel sent out a picture like that with hillary clinton on the other side? do you think any news organization would stand for fox news hosting a presidential forum or debate? >> no. but i hope that the media will rise up and say that was so beyond the pale that it is just reprehensible. but look if the folks at univision wants to rip donald trump's comments as being over the top and offensive. that's fair game. for the network to unilaterally break a contract to carry his beauty package gentleman, that's political retribution. the chief anchor openly crew said for immigration reform. this is a network that doesn't like a lot of the republican candidates clearly punching back
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at donald trump. i don't imagine that they would now be allowed to host the republican presidential debate. >> this is not the first attack. pretty vicious one really compared to a mass murderer. we've seen a republican presidential candidate in the race it's still june. it's still june mark. >> yeah. no. it's very early. and look there's a clear bias against republicans in the media. but univision isn't just the media. it's an hispanic msnbc. it's a far left network. the media research center did a review of their coverage and they found that they lean very far left in their news coverage. they're three times likely to quote the liberals as conservatives. the owner of the network said that it's his dream to see hillary clinton in the white house. why would republicans go to a debate hosted by a network that has liberal bias whose president says that the republican one of the republican candidates is comparable to a
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mass murderer and whose owner wants hillary clinton in the white house. >> and the likely moderator of apparently believes that donald trump is a clown. yet mr. trump is ready to participate in that. he says he's going to have to try harder. howie in the past couple of weeks we saw the ted cruz with the gun to the head from the ap. it was an accident. the marco rubio thing, he had some traffic tickets and a luxury boat. already it starts. >> well i don't want to paint everyone with the same broad brush. and i think that some scrutiny of the republican presidential candidates is mandatory. but the ap shot itself in the foot by running that picture of ted cruz with the gun behind him on the billboard pointed at his head. i don't know how any editor was willing to carry that. the "the new york times," the piece was beyond absurd making a point about those four traffic
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tickets. u now you have univision and donald trump, it reinforces the notion that the media is not fair to republicans. here's another example. >> look at this one, he's just like a mass murderer. whatever you think of donald trump and what he said for the president of content at a network that's hosting a republican presidential forum, inappropriate. there's in way around it. guys thank you. we have got breaking news right now on hillary clinton and evidence that she did not turn over all of her e-mails that she sent from her private server on the subject of benghazi despite her explicit claims that she had done so. congressman jason shay vits is here. plus there are new revelations from the autopsy report on the death of freddie gray. and up next we'll speak with one of the few people who have actually seen it.
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we've gotten additional details and wait until you hear what the family attorney for freddie gray says. also what does it really mean for america now that the supreme court has saved obamacare for a second time. believe it or not, dr. charles crown hammer and dr. ben carson are here with answers. and then we're learning more about the second prison guard charged with helping two convicted killers escape a new york prison. brian kill meade is here with that. just ahead. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums. no artificial flavors, colors sweeteners preservatives, and no artificial smiles. because clean dressings, taste better. panera. food as it should be.
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breaking tonight, the fight over a leaked autopsy report in the death of freddie gray in baltimore has now turned white hot. news reports say the autopsy shows how freddie died of a single high injury impact energy like you get from diving in a shallow pool. since the leaks medical experts have fought over where the details help the cops or not. plus they've waged a public war over who leaked this thing and why. joining me tonight with the breaking news gray family attorney judge billy murphy, one of the few people we is can confirm who has actually seen excerpts from this thing.
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thank you for being here. you've seen not the whole autopsy report but what from it? >> i've seen the written report. and the written report is supposed to have in order to be complete lots of other things the photographs of the body the medical records, the witness statements for example, what the cops said and what eyewitnesses are said. the videos upon which the report bases its -- or partially bases its conclusion. >> you've sean the conclusions but not sort of the supporting evidence that would back it up? >> that's correct. >> who gave it to you? >> i'm entitled to get it because i represent the family g you get it from the da? >> yes. >> okay. do you have any idea who leaked it to the "baltimore sun"? >> i have a suspicion. and if you go through the list of possibilities, we didn't do it. the prosecutor didn't do it. so that leaves the defense lawyers, what i think are
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honorable enough not to have done it and then there are the police who i don't think have been behaved with hon for in this whole thing. >> the defense lawyers say they don't have it and they seem ticked off that others have it, that you have it and the baltimore sun has it and they don't have it. i mean is that strange that you would have it as the family of freddie gray you represent him. but they represent the cops charged and they didn't get it. >> no there's a statute that gives us the right to have it. and the state's attorney can hold it back for good cause and then release it at a certain point. and that's how we got it. but we didn't get the whole thing because they don't have to give us the whole thing yet. >> here's one question i have for you on the can conclusion. some lawyers came out today and said this autopsy report may support something but it doesn't support second degree murder charges. it shows a man who was flailing in the back of the van, a cop who stopped a couple of times and at the earliest saw an
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injured person between the third and the fourth stops. and that they argue, does not report to murder. at most it amount to noncompliance with police procedure. >> you're telling me that the defense said that today in. >> no. just analysts and also some forensic pathologists have weighed in saying they don't think this helps the prosecution. >> i think it's irresponsible to comment on an incomplete report. and that's why we've avoided any such comment. and until you see the entire report you can be -- you can be wrong because you have a single missing fact. and there is much to learn that is not yet available. so i don't think speculation is intelligent at this point. and it could also prejudice the administration of justice. those of us interested in justice should be restraining ourselves about interpreting the evidence at this point.
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we don't have a clue about how much evidence the prosecutor has. >> got it. now we are hours away now from finding out because tomorrow is the deadline for her to reveal it. judge, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. joining me for mownow, here's the thing. that lays out that freddie gray was flailing around in the back of the van. that the officer stopped, checked on him, that alicia white, she didn't show up until the fourth stop. this is only one stop away from the end of the journey. they're charging this woman with causing his death, with causing his death. how do they get there? you tell me, arthur whether they've overcharged. >> they've definitely overcharged. u would like to compliment judge murphy. he did a great job. but vi to be honest with you, i
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kind of felt like he was playing the role of the defense attorney. those are the things i say when the evidence is not too good against any client. >> you know we'll remember that in the future. >> let's not speculate. let's show restraint before we rush to judgment. those are things that usually a defense attorney says when the evidence is overwhelming against them. here i agree with them. i think the cops released the report. it helps them. they've been under siege for so long it's like hey, look we funl i got the paperwork we didn't kill anybody. >> they say they didn't have it. >> i'm talking about the police who probably were able through their contacts to get their hands on it. they're finally standing up for themselves saying we didn't do anything wrong. >> here's what it shows, that this guy was under the influence of narcotics, that e was misbelieving that they had to stop and put the additional shackles on him. if he stayed on his belly he would not have suffered a life-threatening injury but
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instead he got himself up and that's what caused him to get up and hurt himself. and the person who put him in the van should have perceived that he would have gopten himself up and he would get hurt to the point of dying. and that when the van stopped after the fourth time, sergeant alicia white when she showed up to help her partner, should have noticed immediately that he was not only hurt but hurt so badly that death was around the corner and because she didn't, she's guilty and he's guilty him of second degree murder and her of manslaughter. really? >> quite a stretch. no question i think this case is overcharged. but judge murphy does make some very good points. we do not have all of the evidence at all. but even in the light most favorable to the prosecution, we've never heard that the driver intentionally slammed on his brakes at all. the problem, however, and no side what you're on why didn't they buckle him in in violation
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of their policy. >> you tell me because the autopsy report details the yelling and banging causing the van to rock that was going on by freddie gray and these cops are likely to argue they weren't going to lean over a disruptive prisoner to put a belt on because we've heard from other baltimore cops that that can lead to biting and other bad situations for the police. >> you told us this past tuesday night it wasn't a policy until a few days before. and my understanding was it was a policy that was buried -- no. it does. i think within two weeks before. when someone is in the back they must be buckled in. >> for this very reason. >> but its not murder. it's not murder. >> no proof it was communicated to these particular officers. no proo whatsoever that it was communicated to them. i. >> it's still not murder. >> it's stuff to argue that side though that they didn't know. we have new details on how two convicted killers may have escaped from a convicted prison as we learn more from the second
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guard charged with aiding in their escape. plus a bombshell into investigation targeting of conserve groups. how that agency is accused of destroying evidence that was under subpoena. also our breaking news tonight on whether hillary clinton was lying when she said this. >> i responded right away and provided all of my e-mails that could possibly be work related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though i knew that the state department already had the vast majority of them. quantum because it lasts longer in 99% of devices.
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subpoena. >> that was irs commissioner testifying before the house oversight committee telling congressman jason chaffetz that they located a number of the lois learn e-mails about the targeting of certain groups and would provide them to congress. just today we learned that three weeks before he made that claim to congress someone at the irs had destroyed tens of thousands of those very e-mails despite an explicit order to preserve all of them. and a subpoena to hold on to and then produce them. joining us now, congressman jason chaffetz who is now chairman over the house committee. good to see you. do you believe he was lewing or he didn't know what was going on in his organization when he told you that? >> according to what we heard in the testimony today from the inspector general, an independent group, what he said was false. it was not true. remember it was super bowl sunday in 2014 when the president said there's not even
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a smidgen of evidence that there's anything nefarious going on. that same day the irs documents supposedly internal will that u they might be missing e-mails. but it was 30 days after that they destroyed the evidence and then he came 22 days later to congress and in my questioning he testified that they would provide us all of the e-mails. but they had just destroyed them. >> and the deputy inspector -- the inspector general is the one who told you about this. they watch over the irs. and the deputy inspector general came out and said this is an unbelievable set of circumstances. how do they explain? an innocent mistake? some guy with a magnet sat up against the tapes? >> they said they were missing e-mails the same day that the president said there was a smidgen of evidence. >> your point is that's because they were destroying the evidence back at the irs headquarters at the moment. >> well literally was 30 days
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later that that evidence despite a subpoena despite an order to preserve that evidence that had been issued seven months prior. they destroyed that evidence. >> but the inspector general came out and said there was no direct evidence that the tapes were destroyed to hide information from congress. >> they cannot defip tifly prove that somebody made the order to destroy that evidence as a conscious effort to avoid the subpoena. but the reality, the fact pattern is such that they did destroy the evidence there was a subpoena in place. >> we have breaking news tonight on hillary clinton that i want to get to with you before you go. that is her pal sidney blumenthal who was advising her on ben zbady, not accepted to be one of her staffers in the obama administration was sending her e-mails. he got subpoenaed. he had to go speak to the committee and produce documents. turns out he prodeuced documents that hillary did not produce.
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even though she made this claim about her e-mails from her private server. listen. >> i responded right away and provided all of my e-mails that could possibly be work related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though i knew that this state department already had the vast majority of them. >> and now it appears that is not true. and the question is are there more e-mails and how are you and congress to get to the bottom of snit. >> well trayey gowdy is leading the committee. what percentage of the truth do you want to hear. if you want to hear 100% of the proof, you need 100% of the documents. and secretary clinton said that she provided all of the e-mails but evidently that's not true. just tonight the state department said that's not true. >> what the you do when you find
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out that's not true and you can't get to the server. >> again, that's what the select committee called on somebody independent, like the inspector general to come in and look at that computer. secretary clinton negotiated with herself to figure out what she was going to provide and what she wasn't going to provide, despite what the law is and despite what she's required to do under the law and this continues to play out. but trey gowdy is on top of it. >> she's claiming tonight that she did turn over all e-mails that she had from blumenthal and yet that is not what her pal sydney is showing. thanks for being here. what does it mean for america now that the supreme court has saved obamacare for a second time? both dr. charles krauthammer and dr. ben carson are here next with answers. which matches my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts. now i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my lower back pain. find a machine at drscholls.com
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black transparency is a huge political advantage. and basically, you know call for stupidity of the american voter or whatever. but basically that was really really critical to get anything to pass. >> a clever basic exploitation of the lack of understanding of the american voter. >> the american voters are too stupid to understand. >> he's a charmer. that was m.i.t. professor gruber sharing his unguarded assessment about how they managed to pass the sweeping law that now affects one-fifth of our economy and only went through because harry reid changed the rules to get the vote he wanted. today the high court saved the law for a second time striking down a challenge over subsidyies by acknowledging it was unartfully trafted but conclude it would afford the most generous interpretation otherwise the insurance market would be destabilized. in moments, our exclusive
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interview with dr. ben carson. but first, dr. charles krauthammer, the author of "things that matter" now out in paper back. so gruber has the last laugh. >> and obama has the last laugh and nancy pelosi as in a sense john roberts does. what john roberts sensely has done in these two decisions is to say don't come to me again about the affordable care act. i'm not going to overturn it. and i think scalia in that really bitter dissent was absolutely right in saying that roberts was working backwards, his objective was to find some way, any way to uphold the law. and even if it meant contradicting the planein language of the law, you only get a subsidy if you buy your insurance through an exchange
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it is not amambiguous. and if it meant mitt interpreting and deliberately giving a new meaning to that so be it. that's the damage here. what it does is to the sanctity of the rule of law rather than men. if you cannot rely on the plain language of a sfuttatute and you have to rely on the tortured interpretation that a justice gives it in order to keep the law alive, then what can you rely on? >> chief jus sis concluded we have to read the plain language. but we felt like the law read in its entire pi allowed a state that didn't set up an exchange to receive a federal subsidy. do you think this undermines the validity of the court in the minds of some americans or the respect they'll have for it? >> well i think the irony is that roberts thinks -- this animated the two decisions on
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obamacare -- that he was sort of defending the reputation of the court, because that is the theory that i think he's operating under. he believes that after the bush v. gore decision in 2000 the court was seen as partisan. it was seen as not being even handed and that his job as the chief justice -- aactually suspect if he was just a justice and not chief justice he might have gone another way. but he sees his job as the custodian of the reputation of the court, not to overturn something as sweeping important debated for 18 months in the congress as obamacare. do you think that the gop dodged a bullet here? >> well he did do a political favor to the gop because they weren't quite ready -- and i've been yelling about this for a couple of years. they have to be ready with a substitute pap and had the court ruled the republican way, had
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they overturned the subsidies, obamacare would have economically collapsed and they had to have been ready to do something to maintain the subsidies for the 6 million americans who now get them and something to put in place of obamacare. well right now that's been postponed till if and when they win the presidency in 2017. >> great to see you. >> my pleasure. >> joining me now to react, dr. ben carson. a presidential candidate. good to see you. your reaction to the supreme court's decision today. >> i wasn't surprised that four liberal judges went the way they did. but i was a little surprised that roberts and kennedy didn't look at the effect that this law has had on the country, the dell tear yous effects. and make a different decision. you know the reason that i have
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been so against this act is because it violates the whole tenor of america. america was supposed to be a place that was of for and by the people and the government is supposed to be there to facilitate kru know life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. and what this does the government comes along and says i don't care what you people think, it really doesn't matter. this is what we're doing and if you don't like it too bad. and you know at some point i was hoping that maybe our supreme court would recognize that you know this is america and this is the way we do things. not in a dictatorial style. >> and now what happens? because, you know this law was rammed through my harry reid. the only reason scott brown was elected to the u.s. senate was because she was going to be the vote to stop obamacare and he won. harry reid stuffed the rules, the supreme court upheld it and now the president says it's woven into the fabric of
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american society and it will not be undone. >> well he's certainly welcome to say that. but, you know i, and i think probably a lot of other people are going to continue to look for a better way. the fact of the matter is there are some excellent alternatives. we have to settle on which is the best one. it has to be clear and plain to the american people so that they actually want it. they recognize that it's going to be so much better and should not be something that they have to be forced into. we're going to be talking a lot more about that. it's going to be an issue in 2016. and hopefully congress will work with the republican candidate who is running in 2016 to come up with something very solid. >> last question need a question answer. do you think this improves the chances of a republican to win the white house in 2016? >> yes, i actually do. the crowds that i've been seeing
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are very very much against this. and this is america, again. and i think the majority of people actually are against this. >> dr. carson thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. thank you. well we are new details in the deadly crash killing a beloved oklahoma sports caster as we learn the suspect was sent back to mexico three times before his actions took the life of another man. and the new york manhunt and the update on the guard. plus is the general lee car offensive? one of the stars of the ducks of hazard is here to talk about how far folks have gone in the campaign to purge the confederate flag from well, everything. >> are you ready boots? ♪
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it print it or show it at al. sears, kmart, google amazon and ebay joined walmart in refusing to sell the merchandise with walmart saying quote at times items make their way into our assortment improperly. this is one of those instances. the statement failed to mention it's been selling confederate merchandise for quite some time. the feds are pulling all related items from national parks service gift shops and warner brothers says it will no longer produce replicas of the general lee, the iconic car that bore the confederate flag. warner brothers owns "gone with the wind" and now a movie critic says the movie which prominently displays the confederate flag is a racist art fact and warner brothers should relegate it to a museum. apple is removing apps that use
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the confederate flag. while some online retailers are cracking down on confederate merchandise, nazi merchandise is still readily available. well one of the stars of the dukes of hazard is speaking out in support of the confederate flag and he's getting a lot of flack for it. ♪ >> well kooter what do you think? >> well y'all ain't no doubt about it. you got big trouble here. how long has he been crawling like this? >> well it started yesterday when he tried to push him over 150 pnchs it stalled right out at 125. >> what you got here is a sad sick car with a dried out busted bearing. >> joining me now, ben jones, better known as cooter. i know you have a chain of stores. you guys sell the confederate flag and you say i'm not
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stopping. why? >> i'm not stopping because 70 million americans are descended from the confederacy. and they are our people our flesh and blood. i was also associated with that show which 30 million people watched every week, including a whole lot of black folkingses who still love it and understand the flag in that positive context. i think the 70 million descend dents who still respect or ancestors for what they did in the context of their times and with the great progress we've made in the south, black and white working together -- i was deeply involved in the civil rights movement -- and with the 30 million now, hundreds of millions of people who love and enjoy the "dukes of hazard" every day all over the world
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outweighs that handful of pin headed bigoted rayss. and i am deeply concerned that the tsunami of cultural cleansing with the piling on, almost hysteria is going to damage the tremendous progress we've made. >> how do you get to the point of calling those offended by the flag racists and bigoted? >> i'm not calling them that at all. i hope i didn't say that. no. the people who are causing all of the trouble are not black folks. they're those so-called white smem cysts like this fool this evil -- >> you feel they're coopted a flag that to you means what? what does it mean to you? >> it means a lot of things. certainly, you know a million men, including in my entire male
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family from that period, fought for the south. they were some of the most valorous men who ever took up arms. in their time in their context, they believed they were fighting for their nation. it was -- slavery existed in this country since 1619. it existed under the american flag from 1776 until 1865. it is not -- was not the southern sin, it was the national sin. edward baptist's book "the half has never been told" and the subtitle is" how slavely built the american capitalism." wall streeeet was created by the slave trade. the profits went north, the cotton went north. and yet the scapegoat is my grandfather's flag which has been shown in a number of contexts almost all of them positive. we despise -- >> i got it.
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>> -- these evil -- i almost said bastards -- who desecrate our flag with their hateful rituals. >> good to see you. >> thank you for having me on. >> thank you for your thoughts. >> yes, ma'am. there's wild new not him. but he's next. when the moment's spontaneous, why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision
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breaking details on the second guard who allegedly helped those two inmates in new york escape. reports say gene palmer allegedly traded contraband to the inmates for money? no. for paintings. created by richard matt. must have been quite an artist.
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and gene went on the record back in 2000 to talk about how much he loved life as a correction officer. listen. >> with the money they pay you, you'll go bald, you'll have high blood pressure you'll become an alcoholic, you'll divorce, and then you'll kill yourself. >> fantastic. >> wow. who could have predicted he would -- >> who would think he would allow meat to get into the prison to this double murderer. in that meat we understand were the tools to cut himself out of the prison. >> you're not up to date on the latest. the latest is the lady got him the meat. this guy got him screwdrivers and pliers. that's totally different. what can a prisoner do with that? >>. >> that and macgyver and you get yourself out. >> not only that but they also apparently provided him access to the catwalk behind the electrical box in their cell. what could go wrong? >> yeah he said i shouldn't
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have done that. he says he passed a lie detector test and according to his lawyer -- >> it's not the lies that are going to condemn him, it's the truth of what he did. >> the truth will do him in. why would he risk everything for two people that were having sex with a prison guard that he knew? what was in it for him besides the paintings? >> what was in the painting? turns out joyce is busier than we knew a number of interludes. >> four times a week in a closet overlooking the manhole where they escaped. >> let's move on. this illegal immigrant made an illegal u-turn killed a beloved sportscaster in oklahoma. how many times was he thrown out of our country before? >> three times. this guy is back in the country. he is drunk. he had drugs on him.
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he was riding right by bob barry jr., legendary sportscaster. he cut across him. on impact he died immediately. they arrest him, detain him. obviously he didn't belong here. memorial service this saturday. >> now there's a dhs hold on him, now there is. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> we'll be right back. you wouldn't order szechuan without checking the spice level. it really opens the passages.
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apparently we made a terrible mistake in the dukes of hazard segment. we showed jessica simpson instead of the real daisy duke. see you tomorrow night. i'm sorry! welcome to "hannity." "cost of freedom," the former ceo of hewlett-packard jumped on the gop presidential scene when announcing her candidacy back in may. tonight she joins me for the full hour. but first, here are some of the highlights from her campaign. >> i'm getting ready to do something, too. i'm running for president. >> our founders never intended us to have a professional political class. >> we need a leader in the white house who isn't afraid to challenge the status quo.