jenna: we'll see you back here in an hour. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is outnumbered. i'm sandra smith. today's hashtag one lucky guy we welcome back to the couch radio talk show host chris plantee. he's outnumbered. can we add more to the rest nay? >> sure but it's only a one-hour show. >> welcome to you. new developments in the the

controversial relationship between hillary clinton and a long-time clinton confidante the white house barred her from hiring. the state department released 3,000 pages of emails showing secretary clinton was getting advice from sidney blumenthal as far back as 2009 way earlier than previously earlier we knew of. also that the obama administration knew of hillary's private email setup. ed henry has been poring over those emails. >> reporter: wham interesting is hoing -- what's interesting is hillary clinton wanted today to be about her fundraising. the story today however is going to be about these emails pouring out from the state department. her tenure largely focusing on

2009. new information about her ties to sidney blumenthal and the fact that he was talking to british prime minister gordon brown on her behalf. he was not officially a state department employee. obama white house officials banned him from working at the state department because of political dirty tricks. so she was working with blumenthal secretly behind the scenes. republicans on that select benghazi committee in the house are saying that's a snapshot because hillary clinton deleted over 30,000 emails. >> we don't know if hillary clinton has turned over all the emails yet. and the fact that there were 60 new emails that we got that we had not previously had.

>> reporter: the clinton campaign is charging this is all about politics. they charged that republican trey gowdy is spending $8,000 a day in coming up with nothing new. listen to this. >> do you know more today about who is responsible for hitting our consulate in benghazi? >> no. but i never expected sidney blumenthal to tell me that anyway. >> you can see that highly produced video from the campaign. >> in fact we are now seeing david ax the rod was emailing her in june of 2009 on that private account. just a couple week ago he was on msnbc saying he didn't know she had this private account and if he knew about it it would have raised red flags.

>> has this latest release her emails thrown hillary off message? we have been covering on this show how this controversy hadn't been weighing on her in the polls. >> reporter: they don't think so within her campaign. you have seen the polls showing she has a commanding lead for the democratic primary. bernie sanders has been gaining steam on her. that's worrying them a little bit. in our poll and others when you put her head-to-head with hypothetical republican matchups with jeb bush, marco rubio and donald trump and others, she has a harder time. they think they are in a commanding position. this email issue and others might be problems for her in the days ahead. i heard you saying referencing whether or not this is having an

impact. you shrugged a little bit. >> i just want to know what the white house what the obama administration knows about sidney blumenthal. the other thing that is a consistent theme is how close she was. we are not talking about a guy they just hope she wouldn't hire for the state department. she was prohibited from adding friendly sid from her staff. what do they know about this man. what do we need to know about this man. he possibly had his fingerprints on policy in this country. i want to know more about sid. >> what impact did he have in conversing with hillary clinton at the head of the state department? what impact did he have on her decision making? >> that and the dishonesty is the recurring theme.

sidney blumenthal was being paid by the clinton foundation20,000 a year and he wasn't doing work for clint on foundation he was doing back door work for hillary clinton at the state department and pretending to be an intelligence genius and have all kind of sources and how much the secretary was paying attention to him and how much it influenced u.s. policy. but the overlay the deception as to what was happening and none of it was true. >> she doesn't follow the directions. my question is what does he know? why is he so important? he must have known something if they were so against her speaking with him. but she found it so important to speak with him. then also i find it hilarious that it just keeps coming out. first it's 30,000, now it's 60,000. she thinks america as amnesia

and we'll forget everything she has done. now it's all coming back up. trey gowdy i love him. he's like a bulldog after a bone and he's not going to quit. >> this is after months and months of digging. another round of the emails. could there be another shoe to drop here? >> there will be plenty more. she'll make sure they come out late at night conveniently and hope the content doesn't offend anyone. one key point here, she sought blumenthal's advice. this evidence she is saying are you still awake? i'll call if you are. she was actively seeking the advice of this individual. they will have to come out and back up hillary clinton. this is a mess for her on some level. she needs support if she runs

for president. if this bothers the american people so much, if they say the lack of transparency, it's too much. >> first the president said they hadn't traded emails. and you hear right on down to david axlerod i didn't know she had it. i understand maybe you could tarring i email so much i don't know often -- you know if you have somebody's personal email. >> when it comes to shoe dropping she is amelda marcos. the "new york times" and "the washington post" do have amnesia. >> there are serious questions about the top government attorney charged with haigd up the -- with heading up the release of her emails. catherine duval also headed up email production in the irs

targeting scandal involving lois lerner. charges that she denied. now those lawmakers raising similar red flacks about her handling of the clinton state department emails. >> you keep your circle tight. that way you don't have a lot of leaks. my big question is, i wonder if this person would be able to answer this, too. an email has to go someplace. they didn't all go to sidney blumenthal. 10 20, 30 -- however many it is they land sod where and somewhere there are some emails we haven't seen because those people haven't turned them over. >> she is saying they are personal emails. they are not because they have sensitive information in them. they have been read, which makes them sensitive.

>> it's been classified, they redacted a number of them they said were not classified. a number of them had been redacted and declared to be classified. this another lie. there is another shoe. they chose this woman because she proved to be effective at what is essentially obstructing justice. she deceives, she delays, and she has proven to be good at that so she was chosen for this next task where they want to use the same playbook. >> she is not polling well when it comes to trustworthiness. >> they think we are a bunch of dummies. they think people won't care that they stonewalled congress re-petedly. they feel untouchable. they feel if there is an obvious trend all after sudden you have someone responsible for secrecy

in one area shift over to another area conveniently and people won't ask questions about that? the question is, do people care? will they hold her accountable and will they have a problem with this. >> i see a trend and i know you see this in social media. people are starting to blame the media for this. you don't stay on the story long enough. at fox we have been found pounding at the door to get answers on benghazi and i would say that we need to keep doing it. all of us. >> that's why i love trey gowdy. he won't stop. >> there is something new every day. >> reporter: president obama make an historic announcement. this just a week after the administration tagged cuba or human rights abuses. will this change anything?

>> a woman triggering a social media firestorm after writing how she had to sacrifice having a third child so her family could buy theirluxly dream home. people are calling her materialistic and material. does she deer of this back -- does she deserve this backlash? tell us what topic you want to hear more about.

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president obama were talk in secret. we didn't know it was happening. remember it was last week when the obama administration tagged cuba as a serial human rights abuser. a senator from florida says this administration shows politics trumps policy in its decision-making process. one of the things the president said is american businesses and corporations want to do business with cuba and colleges and universities want to partner with cuba. so there always lot of money at stakes here. >> some major u.s. business leaders have been going over there having meetings with cuban

officials about mauve they can expands their businesses. hank greenberg confirmed that he got on a plane went over there and met with the leaders over there about how he can expand business operations with american tourism branching out there. he's looking at the insurance opportunities. american business leaders are getting on the ground anticipating the opportunities there. >> the president said this is what change looks like. but there is a lot of reserve coming if you have read social media or sit next to chris plante. there is criticism saying the president gave away the farm. let's look at at recent poll. 46% say it's fair to say chris that we gave away a lot and got very little in return.

>> he's a pro business president. the left is giving away the store, they are giving after he waive nothing in return. they negotiated nothing for the united states and nothing for the cuban people. fidel castro and his brother are mass murderers they are criminals, totalitarian thugs. they have political prisoners. they are giving safe harbor to 71 americans who have pled to cuba. including an escaped convict who was thrown in prison for being a cop killer. she is on the f.b.i.'s most wanted terrorist list. the president got nothing not one concession from these totalitarian thugs. >> he knew that last week because he put them on the list of human rights abusers. what changed between last week and now. >> nothing.

this looks good for people who don't know what's going on in cuba. the president can say i'm the king of diplomacy. i was able to bring people together. he can check it off on his legacy form. but now we put a stamp of approval on condoning political prisoners and freedom of speech. that doesn't benefit the cuban people. that benefits a system that prevents the average cuban person from rising to the top. >> just to ask it from a different point of view. what do you say to those people on the caribbean island nation watching this, what's in it for me. what do you tell them the future might look like. if we do open rise relations with them, will there be more jobs? >> no, this is a dictatorship. the reason to open an embassy is

because of that. those are the only people who will benefit from that embassy. they will some have someplace to go a safe haven. then you ask the question, when have one in tehran, we have one in kabul does it help? no. how is this going to help? it's not. >> the president says later in july we'll see this open in havana. >> flights are starting to go. >> airlines must be -- >> you have to do it. >> the companies pay the castro regime $15 per hour for the employees and they give $1 to the ploimees. those employees live on tips. >> stacy was talking about and allude together promises then candidate obama said he wanted to see happen in his second term

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and drug running. trump said he had the same rhetoric for years. he is fighting back announcing a lawsuit against univision claiming a freedom of speech violation. take a look. >> i just sued univision for $500 million. it was just filed, the papers were just filed that will be interesting to sigh how that -- univision i have signed contract for five years on pageants. they have no right to terminate. we have 50 of the most lovely women you've ever seen right now in louisiana, and they have been abandoned by nbc and abandoned by univision. >> who is breaking today, donald trump and macy's parting ways. the store will no longer sell trump menswear collection. trump saying in a statement he is terminating relationship with macy's because of pressure put on by outside sources. macy's said it has no tolerance for discrimination in any form. the stuff with trump lawsuits, not backing down. not issuing apology.

very strong on o'reilly last night. does this help or hurt him? do you think most of america are cheering for him, come on, donald, this is politics? >> it doesn't have much of an effect because we already know who donald trump is. it would seem really disingenuous of him if he didn't fight. he says he is fighter and ready to fight for his country. when he isn't going to fight for his corporation. >> i'm asking what are the networks thinking? this is not new material from donald trump. are they reacting to social media outcry now? i understand the context of the comments that were made. and stacy made a point i will stop talking so she can make it better than this he might want to come back and clarify at some point what he meant. i know, stacy, you had a strong feeling maybe he didn't fully express himself. i would say this. he has a contract. he is a businessman. if he doesn't fight for his corporation, then he is disingenuous to say he would fight for the rest of us. >> stacey, what do you think?

>> i think he is doing the right thing by suing. first of all. they have a contract. whether they believe what he said is right or wrong. i believe what he said he could have said it in a different way. i understand what -- >> you do? >> i do. i believe he was trying to say that we need to close the borders because it is dangerous. it is an imminent threat basically period. should have ended it there. he didn't have to get personal about mexico because he has mexican friends, loves mexico. like saying i have my black friend. he is a businessman, like you said. and he is doing business. and he is a man who says what he means and means what he says. and yes, you're right. he has to fight. and to me that if anything as the president of the united states, i would want a guy like that running my country. >> chris i wonder if part of politics is self-censorship? can anyone get elected like a trump or christie who says

whatever is on their mind? maybe they don't word it. that is political strategy to word things correctly. donald trump is not from the d.c. establishment but can that guy win. >> dishonesty is very in vogue. honesty is very often perceived as offensive by lots and lots of people. he was citing a couple of news reports when he made these outrageous statements about and he cited one of the reports from univision, subsidiary of univision, talking about 80% of women traveling north to cross the border, being raped while enroute. little different than sending rapists across-the-board he have ler. there was a report that obama administration released 121 convicted murders illegal aliens back into our population after serving their time. we also know there are gangs. he didn't say it at a bare minimum artfully, as a politician might say it. he said it as donald trump might say it which is fairly unique

way of just blurting out whatever is on your mind. when showed up that day he had a five-page script which they handed out to the press when he was making his declaration running for president. he didn't read a word of it. it would last about 20 minutes. it lasted more than a hour. >> he might have wanted to do that. you called him weak? >> no, i did not! what? >> you wanted his argument to be stronger. it to be stronger. >> i did not. >> oh god that man is so far from weak. >> polling research firm political polling research firm this morning on the business network who is referencing this takedown of donald trump. he hasn't been taken down. this is the game. he has got to come out. he is prepared for this. never did i say that. >> outlandish and politics don't go together very well. >> i didn't like the part saying those poor models working their whole lives. >> that is it what you were talking about. >> they will not be on tv that

is what i was saying. go on. >> well -- >> oklahoma supreme court ruled a 10 commandments monument elected on state grounds has to go. that the statue is religious symbol and violates the state constitution. casey stiegel in the dallas bureau with more. >> reporter: this has lots of people talking. the ruling was prompted by a lawsuit filed by the american civil liberties union of oklahoma or the cclu. they argue that the monument violates the state constitution because the placement is considered use for public property for benefit of sim of religion. oklahoma supreme court justices ruled on the case 7-2 for the fixture to be removed, overturning a lower court decision that it could stay. so the aclu appealed it on behalf of four plaintiffs who say they need to be separation of church and state and they're fairly confident this judgment will stick. >> the u.s. supreme court under our system of federalism

essentially says to states, you know what? if you're not violating u.s. constitution in some way we're not likely to second-guess how you interpret your own laws. >> the oklahoma attorney general immediately firing back he believes the justices got this wrong. scott pruitt already asked the court for rehearing and says in the interim the order can not be enforced. he says he is puzzled by the ruling saying it directly contributes federal law. >> most oklahomaance would say if it is act with the first amendment, federal u.s. constitution permit this is it should be permissive under our state constitution. >> reporter: the monument went back up in 2012. it had to be replaced earlier this year you may recall after a man destroyed it with his car amount state lawmaker, oklahoma state representative, paid to replace it out of his own pocket. he was on "fox & friends" this morning. he joins this growing list of people who do not support the court's decision, harris. >> casey, thank you very much.

jedediah, i know you checked with one of our legal stars on fox news. >> i did. i spoke to judge napolitano. this is being compared to a situation in texas where there is a similar monument, judge nap said on record this oklahoma supreme court decision is based on oklahoma property law which is governed by the oklahoma constitution. that constitution prohibits use of all state property for any religious purpose, because state supreme court has final say on the meaning of that state's constitution, this decision is not appealable to the supreme court. he also reminds us that the supreme court in oklahoma is popularly elected. they're not there for life. if the voters don't like this, there is a chance for them to make a change. >> interesting. >> chris you have some strong thoughts about this, what are they? >> i'm a little sick and tired i guess this freedom from religion cause. i'm not devoutly religious person myself but this is america. we protect people's freedom to practice their religion. if the people of oklahoma feel comfortable and state elected legislators feel comfortable with this four people jumping

in saying they're offended changes the course of human history. this is, this is a trend. not just this case. it is a lot of other cases. i wish all these years later we could find reasonable way to accommodate everyone. sell off eight square feet of the statehouse property to a private foundation. >> that is an interesting idea. >> or some reasonable accommodation where everybody is happy. but i'm really getting sick and tired of the professionally offended. we have way too much of that going on. with this, with religion and everything else. it was minor story at the time but the guy crashing his car into the 10 commandments to destroy it because he was so irate this would be allowed. come on, lighten up, everybody. it is the ten, it is foundation for our code of law. >> you tossed out there having part of the state grounds be private owned. i hadn't heard that. we'll move on. a mama is taking heat choosing a dream home over another child. debate whether it is about better to have bigger family or

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♪ >> a growing backlash now against one mother who says she quote, sacrificed having a third child in order to afford her quote, luxury dream moment home. sara scott said the comment in editorial in decor. my uterus literally aches despite the logic we can't afford it. the sacrifice has been made. we live in the dream home we can only afford to have two children. the editorial sparking quite a backlash online with some people writings things like this. quote, i can't believe this article was published. this couple's values are totally skewed in the wrong direction. others did see it from the mother's perspective, saying quote i think it is providing all they can for their two children. we accept different types of families after a court ruling but okay to criticize families

financial decisions? stacy, this entire read that you have been reacting to everything i've said and every quote i read, how does this make you feel? >> i think its smart. i think she is a smart woman. she wants something for her family and she has decided to work hard for it and keep it within, you know the realm of having two children. she is woman who doesn't want to have more than that. and she wants a bigger, better house. >> i see that the criticism is, coming from these people are saying, having a child isn't, it is not about money. it is -- >> well, it is. >> of course it is. >> it is a financial decision, of course it is, chris? >> having a big house is about money. having kids is about money. kids are expensive. they cost money. it is practical decision. she can do math. the fact that people are angry doing the meat ahead of time and having 16 kids living in a shoe

is ludicrous on face of it. not because i want to buy a bigger house but seems like perfectly practical rational sane, responsible decision. >> wow. >> i read through the article -- >> there was some information there. >> there were women writing in not able to have children saying the wow, the nerve of a woman to go on and be so blunt about saying that this is all about money when there are people in the world that can't conceive a child. >> anybody can be take it personally. >> right. >> you know but i will say this i will go to twitter because i think this is interesting from jeff kaiser. people who put a price on anything know nothing of value. she is allowed to have her opinion. i've always been of the belief that children bring prosperity. that is how i was raised. i have a different take on it. i will not tell her how to live just as long she couldn't cast judgment my way we are even. >> she has children. >> she has two children. >> that is enough for her. i have two children.

i don't want more. >> i grew up as one of six. >> wow. why you don't have any kids. >> i've been enjoying peace ever since i left. >> i wonder why everyone publish this? because we're talking about it. it is controversial. this is kind of story that everyone has an opinion on, either someone will be saying she is too materialistic or someone like me, everyone has their own set of priorities in life. if that includes two kids and luxury home, great. if that includes 17 kids that is your prerogative. >> maybe marco rubio stopped having kids because he wanted to buy that boat? >> wow. >> follows a recent article in the "new york post" saying on upper east side of manhattan, it is a status symbol now to have many children. no longer about having two kids. >> they all live in a shoe. >> not all of them offsetting carbon footprint by having one fewer child. >> really? >> and bigger house.

neutralizes her carbon footprint. >> you're not taking this very seriously, chris. >> seriously, jedediah you're huge online on social media and social media went nuts on this subject. >> they did. everyone an opinion like i said. it is true sort of a status symbol because only on upper east side of manhattan, you have five or six kids and can a afford an apartment to fit all these kids in, you're telling the world we have means to do so. >> private schools. >> be freedom lover. let everyone make their own decisions live their life and mind your own business. >> i love it. >> having a child is a financial decision as well as many others. another hollywood couple joins the list of famous marriages that went kaput after 10 years. is there a 10-year curse that plagues love among the stars? i think we have somebody that we can ask on that. team usa heading to the women's world cup finals after big win over germany last night.

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♪ >> uh-oh. one of hollywood's power couples calling it quits. ben affleck and jennifer garner announcing their divorce after 10 years of marriage. they have three children and are reportedly worth an estimated $150 million together. they also joined the list of other famous couples divorced after 10 years including, tom cruise and nicole kidman, marc anthony and jennifer lopez hilary swank and chad lowe. okay sandra? >> yes ma'am. >> i want to know -- >> you want to know what i think about this? >> yeah. >> for some reason i actually do care i would tell you and don't follow i don't care. for some reason, wow looked like a couple may finally actually work in hollywood. if anybody would last they were. the epitome of sweetness every

time i saw them and their three children. i think this is a little bit of a heartbreaker. >> i saw this as bennifer part-d eaux. >> wow. >> look, i'm just asking right? jennifer lopez, he was with her. >> a little overlapping. >> ring on her finger, there was some overlap there. so my mom used to say, how you meet them is how you say good-bye to them. >> in a bar. >> i'm actually -- >> really interested what you think? because i'm always looking at hollywood and wondering just hollywood parallel the rest of us? >> you noticed how i tried to get away from this? seemed to get away from me. >> you can't escape tracy. >> i've been married and divorced three times. never an actor. yes, my last husband was an actor. sorry, i forgot all but. >> wow. >> i am deciding never marrying an actor again. >> why? >> well i know this about

myself. i've had to admit it. i'm a jealous person. i just am. i'm latina. i have a jealous streak. i have a temper. when you're in the industry you have to be able to look at your husband making love to another woman you know? >> whoof. >> you have mo to know going off three months to another country with another woman. you have to accept these things. they're hard. but, ultimately i believe in any marriage, whether it be hollywood or not, you get to a point in a relationship where it gets difficult. and it is just deciding who is the one you want to go through that difficulty with. no mater what relationship it is it happens. i know after three marriages. you get to that point. >> wow. >> you could marry a character actor. >> how would that help? >> they're not leading men. like george costanza. roly poly -- >> pope francis spoke about that this week. he said divorce sometimes needs

to happen. he gave a reason it might be for the children. i think it is interesting. >> but some hollywood marriages keep ending like this why do the stars keep marrying actresses? yeah. >> for the fame. >> you know you fall in love. >> you become a power couple. >> it is true. you're on set for three months with one person every day, you know, living out this romantic life or whatever and -- >> it isn't real though? >> but as an actor you try to make it real. >> we have to get our relationship expert in on this, jedediah bila. >> number i also think i know a lot of actors and they always tell me we want some semblance of normally is our lives. it is hard with hollywood you do have, send your husband off to work and make out with three woman every day. you have to deal with that i don't know that i would be able to deal with it either, to be perfectly frank. some crave normalcy. they seemed like a couple that was regular. there are some of them out there too in hollywood. my whole world around me is

crazy. i would love for my universe inside of my home to not be. some are trying to make that happen. >> hillary clinton married an actor? >> exactly. terrible one. >> citing of drinking and gambling. we don't know. >> drinking and gambling gambling and drinking. >> boston, right? >> what does that have to do with that? >> inside joke. senior producer from boston. humiliating experience for one of the tennis's top stars. wimbledon police go after her get this her sports bra. is this anyway to treat a lady? we'll debate this coming up. range the fridge and get us energized! i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength to keep you active. come on pear it's only a half gallon. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein

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(applause) woman are making headlines in sports. the women usa beat germany. and another big sporting event underway. the wimbledon tennis tournament. the canadian star making headlines again remember the stir when a male sports caster asked her to do a twirl. they phoned the office about her

black sports [even though it was barely visible. >> black sports bra hidden under a white sports brachlt >> no it is wear all whites. and she broke the rule and wore black. >> you think it is a bit much. no. that is my answer. >> i think she looked a far better than a lot of things on the ten us courts. she looked fine. but she broke the rule. >> i don't want to be a mother superior. and if they don't say anything logo. they have strict rules when it comes to all kinds of things. and you don't come out for trump

for president or hillary skoks and wimbledon of all places. you are talking about a bra underneath the brachlt >> and they only had had a centimeter. and piping on stacey's dress and that eching would be allowed. my question is who is going to measure. that remember roger federer had he was dressed by nike and he had an orange sole. and mike tyson bitti vander's

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