. >> thank you. thank you. "media buzz" is up next. >> afternoon the buzz beater this sunday, donald trump takes his antiillegal immigration tirade to arizona and unloaded on his favorite target: the media. >> the press is very dishonest. people are wise to the press. >> are the media and yes i sat down with him last week, turning him into the face of the republican party? after her campaign played rope a dope hillary clinton takes questions on the trail and grants her first national tv interview and changes course. >> what has changed with your approach with the media? >> nothing has changed. i have a different rhythm to my campaign. i'm not running my campaign for

the press. i'm running it for voters. >> here team concluded that stiffing the press was hurting the campaign. how hard did cnn push for answers and did she try to dismiss mainstream media as right wing misinformation? >> bill cosby admit he used drugs to get women to have sex a vindication for the 30 women who have an caused him of sexual assault. we talked to one. >> i told my agent and she did nothing a about it. no one believed me. at all. in fact, i went to an attorney and he laughed me out of his on office. >> why the media ignored william like barbara bowman and her crusade against bill cosby. i am howard kurtz with "media buzz" today. donald trump upped things today in the crusade against illegal

immigration leaving a rally and appearing at a rally whose kids have been killed by illegal immigrants. >> they are sending people to our country we don't want and we take and they don't want. you know who they are sending. the problem is, you will cut the statement in half cut it down to leave out what i said which you always do because the press in many cases and very, very dishonest. >> join us is mercedes schlapp republican strategist and former bush white house official. suzanne susan ferrechio chief congressional correspondent for the washington examiner and michael tomasky columnist for daily beast. has the press misrepresented his position on illegal immigration? >> i don't believe the media has. he has been very direct and straightforward in the comments. the media has reported on the comments.

it has been clear. however, trouble has been one of the most media savvy candidates we have seen in the race so far because he takes on the media. what happens you want to get republican primary voters excited, you go after the press. that seems to be the strategy that is working for trump. >> like the "washington post" reports that the going leaders are worried about trump becoming the face of the party and the rnc chairman calls trump and tells him to tone it down and trump said this is false and reporting and then called the "washington post" and said the phrase was used. >> i have a feel he was not lie when he said it was cordial account last few minutes were him getting a warning. truck has been -- this has been his m.o. for many years as trump, not as candidate. i covered him as a reporter and so did you in 1987 and . >> he said the country was ripped off then. >> he got into the feuds with ed

koch and he talked the same way about ed koch not telling the truth. this is who he is. it is just crack for political reporters. >> this is a guy would grew up in the new york tabloid culture where he got these instincts refined. >> do the media make him a symbol of the republican party 100 times more coverage than all of the other candidates, general, marco ran cruz, christie combined. >> people like to tune in and see donald trump so the tv interviews are valuable and headlines are valuable if that reason and what you have here is an interesting dynamic because the press is treating him as a nonserious candidate. i don't feel they are treating hip as someone who could win the nomination. >> he is a novelty. what is interesting about this, voters are taking him seriously. he is doing well in the polls. he is aextraing thousands of people to the rallies.

what does that tell you? >> he should be thanking the media. he is getting more air time than any of the other candidates and he is out there interview after interest not afraid to say what he wants to say and it is working. whether it will last, that is another question. >> everyone has the caveat that, maybe, he will flameout. i don't know if that is the case. it is true as you say he is good for rating, good for tv, he is over-the-top which is part of the appeal and i wonder, if i am one of the other candidates, you almost have to attack trump to get a head line. >> you do. and it is a very interesting challenge for the people behind him in the polls and struggling to make the threshold to get spot debate and try to get any kind of attention. truck is probably dragging the party to the right to some extent because his bomb basketball for many people will represent what the party stands for and other candidates have to equal that. >> former senator webb was asked

about ukraine and he said can i say something about rum truck knowing that will buy ink. and, now, hillary clinton. she has kept the press at arm's help. i broke the story on sunday night she was changing her media strategy and took questions on the trail and of course did her first national television interview with cnn. >> we so in our poll that six in ten americans say they do not believe you are honest and trustworthy. do you understand why they feel that way? >> when you are subjected to the kind of constant barage of attacks that are largely fomented by and coming from the right --. >> do you bear any responsibility? >> i can only tell you i was elected twice in new york against the same kind of onslot. >> she came back later on this question of trust.

>> do you see any role you have had if the sentiment we have seen where people are questioning whether you are trustworthy? >> i can only tell you that this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many, many careers. people write boobs filled with unsubstantiated attacks against us and even admit they have no evidence but of course it is your job to cover it. >> the media verdict is hillary clinton was unpersuasive. is that too harsh? >> not ought all the media was disappointed in the performance. she had a very difficult time defending herself giving facts that were not true and "washington post" gave summer two or three pinocchios on the question the e-mails. the media when you look at the

coverage, hillary clinton should have watched this video over and over again to determine to understand why people don't trust her. >> i thought it was unfair some ripped it in advance before the two of them sat down. looking bag now the questions she asked how do you think the reporter did? >> she we would ask more aggressive follow-up questioning and i thought she dedicated too much time to which saturday night live character she preferred and would should be on the $10 or $20 billion. i wish there was more substantive question. >> she asked a lot about the e-mail and one question about chip ton foundation mess and she took a long answer and praised the work of the foundation and does not follow-up. all of the soft questioning hurts hillary clinton. she would have done better with more aggress ever questioning where she could defend her sell. she walked away with people still wondering if they can trust her which in a poll is one of her biggest problems.

>> mike tomasky she plays the victim on cnn written by a colleague coming across as "guarded and poker face." do you agree or disagree? >> we have had a range of views at "the beast." >> your view? >> she a guarded interview subject. no question about that. i interviewed her when she was first running for senate in 2000. she filibusters, it is a stuff interview, and she goes on for a long-term and you are looking at your want and this is a cold war between clinton and the media that will go on and the political resolution just doesn't like her. they are waiting to pounce.

>> maybe the campaign should go back and not put her out there because the numbers are better when she is not. it shows you besides roping in the press she has a very difficult time with improvisation she is very concepted and guarded. she is never clear on her answers. she does better when she is on a stage with a script talking about policy. >> from the point of view of journalists the most aggressive questioner cannot first a candidate to make news or break new ground but i was struck by the answer in which she could say the right is largely foe meanting the unsubstantiated attack because where i wish they fold up, and you cannot follow-up everything, the "new york times" and the "washington post" have done extensive report on the e-mail and the clinton foundation and other news organizations. >> she could have pointed out this was such an old line that clintons often use the vast right wing conspiracy issue.

>> we have heard that before. >> 1998. >> this is not helping clinton as a candidate. she should have followed up. frankly, i don't think the policy is buying that anymore. >> i will back her up on that point. whether it is politically smart to say that we we debate. "new york times" is leading the way oni reporting. it seems clear "new york times" is getting the leaks from the benghazi committee or the we area of the benghazi committee. that is republican-directed. that is fair to say. schweitzer the author has been a consultant to republican candidates so there is plenty of truth to what she says. we can debate whether it is smart to say but it is largely true. >> i want to make the point that many stream media have not just been sitting by and you called it a cold war or long-standing tension between hillary clinton and the press perhaps it is a factor but when she is doing it in live television she has a

chance to punch back. another question, what has changed? why are you doing the interview now? obviously she was doing zero national tv interviews and she saiding in changed. but the communications director for the hillary clinton campaign said that the campaign knows it has been damned by the long drought, and we are sacrifices the coverage and paying the price but it is more than she wanted to spend time with the voters which is true, it is also that the campaign realized there was becoming an overriding issue. >> how do you get the message? you need the media. that is the relationship of reality we live in. she tried to control it as long as possible. that wasn't working. you saw bernie sanders pop in new hampshire pop in iowa and several other places and the campaign re-evaluated. they have been trying to control it could much that it has been damaging and she went out on the first national interview she bombed. >> you set me up nicely for the next segment send me a tweet

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>> the pundits are talking about bernie sanders. hillary's team is worried he could win iowa. is the press now belatedly taking the senator seriously or boosting him to create illusion

of a democratic race. >> the press loves a competitive primary and they love a primary with hillary clinton and somebody else. what could be better? it maybe 2008 very exciting for the media when barack obama came along and stole it away from hillary clinton. we have story lines generating itself once again. i don't think we've been ignoring bernie sanders. he's just moved up in the polls and made himself more worthy of our coverage. >> moved up in the polls. don't many journalists like the populous crusade against the 1% that sanders is mounting with the cautious style of hillary? >> he's a candidate who can say unfiltered what he thinks right? and top tier candidates not just hillary clinton but jeb bush and throughout the ages all kind of top tier candidates can't say exactly what's on their mind and bernie sanders is the candidate that can. he's giving the media a lot of food and nutrition in that sense. to answer your first question

it's more of the latter. i don't know anyone that seriously thinks he's a serious contender to steal the nomination. >> senator sanders doesn't agree with you. come on. >> nobody sees him winning a nomination. >> when he wins iowa -- you have to take him seriously. >> he's getting less coverage than a lot of these gop candidates that are 2% or 3% doing more media interviews than bernie sanders is getting at this point. >> this is why i think he's not treated as a serious candidate. he's not getting the scrutiny that comes along with being a top tier candidate. for example, even on his positions of breaking up the banks or single parent healthcare we should have a debate about that. very few go into that. his writing four decades ago including this whopper, cervical cancer can be caused by lack of orgasms and then political reporting this week that sanders decades ago fathered an out of

wedlock child. can you imagine if that had been reported about any other candidate? >> it's not reported. that's the thing. sanders said this. i'm not getting coverage of any networks. not even on controversial statements he's making. what's interesting is only ones covering them are the left leaning media. >> they are writing about it. i wouldn't say he's getting no coverage. he's not getting the full press microscopic examination. >> why do we give trump more coverage than bernie sanders? is either one more likely to get the nomination and their party? trump is getting more scrutiny than bernie sanders. why is that? >> is trump getting more scrutiny? >> i think he's starting to. we now have a situation where journalists are doing what they might have done at the beginning. he may have said he's pro-choice and give money to democrats and in other words the way he's evolved. >> look at the backlash against

trump. you're not seeing that backlash. >> there's no backlash and barely any coverage. >> if the clinton campaign had ample research that they were farming out to journalists, we could see that reporting that we're talking about. i assume the clinton campaign is not doing that because they're not completely worried about him just yet. they have rhythms and in time if he stays around at a certain level in the polls, he'll get scrutiny. thanks very much for stopping by. up next, south carolina removes the confederate flag from the state house grounds. how hard did the media push for that outcome? with new evidence that bill cosby was a sexual predator is right to banish his reruns from the airwaves?

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in the end the vote in south carolina wasn't even close. >> an amazing night. we expect a huge crowd to gather here for a historic celebration. >> when reporters use "amazing," and "historic," they are taking they approve of the views of the flag of the one time dedication to slavery and need to come on down after the horrible murders in a charleston church when the nag was lowered on friday morning, even the broadcast networks broke if live and there want an air of celebration. >> we are manning the end date on the confederate battle flag as a symbol in american politics. it is today. 2015. that will be on the epitaph.

the country has moved on. >> people who call themselves friends and junior high school, high school, college waved the flag around and thought it was cool rebel flag, blah, blah, it is not cool. >> i had no idea i would be them emotional when the flag came down. >> that was cnn reporter. >> it was moving 150 years after the civil war. maybe it was helping to create a wave of public opinion but media have to be extremely careful not to dismiss as bigots those who support the flag as a symbol of southern heritage. >> ahead has donald trump hijacked the campaign or are the media milking the story? a conversation with a woman who could not get the media to believe that bill cosby sexually assaulted her and show she feels now.

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as the media pounced on accusations from well overil >> as the media pounce on accusations of 30 women and bill cosby but this week, the associated report got the court to unseal a 2005 deposition in a suit by one of the accusers cosby said he obtained quaaludes and said yes whether he planned to use the pills to get young women to have sex with him. he called an incident in las vegas in the 70s she back stage i give her quaaludes and we have sex. barbara bowman gave her own deposition in that case. now, she had a chance to talk about what went on. she works with a group promoting awareness victim empowerment. some of what she has to say is rather graphic and i spoke to her earlier from los angeles. >> barbara bowman, welcome.

>> hi, howard, thanks for having me. >> you say bill cosby drugged and raped you when you were 17-year-old aspiring actress. what happened when you told people? >> i told my agent. she did nothing about it. no one believed me. at all. eventually i went to an attorney and he laughed me out of the office. >> take a moment to describe what happened with cosby on that day. >> in the first 30 minutes of my audition he knew everything about me he knew i was an only child i had no father figure in my life and he was america's favorite dad and he was everyone's favorite dad. everyone trusted him. i totally trusted him. he said he would take on that role to be my father figure and wanted to work with me on my trust issues and vulnerability

issues and worked me over pretty well and brain washed me. the time that is the most horrible was in the brownstone apartment in new york. i went over to work on a script and his chef was there and represented a nice dinner and i had a glass of wine and next thing i know i am upstairs and i am throw up in the toilet and i am in a man's t-shirt that wasn't mine and he is looming over me holding my hair out of toilet in a white robe and my panties were a mess and i was dirty and wet and i -- he raped meant. >> you tried to join the 2004 lawsuit by another woman was this any media reaction to trying to go public? >> it got a little bit of momentum. "people" magazine did an article and philadelphia magazine and it was just getting a little bit of attention. >> barbara, what about the rest

of the media. why do you think it took news organizations so long to focus on what you say happened to you with bill cosby and the other women? >> i was silent, i was threatened into silence and the people i did tell did nothing to help me. at all. >> how do you feel now that the admission in the decade old deposition is public? >> it is the most liberating feeling of of elation i have experienced and it opens a lot of doors for me to continue doing add video casey work and helping others. >> you are involved in an effort to get his presidential medicals of freedom rescinded to get the white house to take it away. why is that important to you at this point? >> that medal is the most distinguished and most highly honorable medicals you can earn

and for him to have admitted to his predator behaviors and drugging women and with those with that background, he does not deserve to be standing alongside those prestigious people that have earned that award. we are talking about people that have made wonderful contributions to our culture and the fact that he accepted that award with such deception as a liar as a predator and that medal from george w. bush is despicable iris irresponsible it is disrespectful and i believe he should return it. >> barbara bowman thanks for joining us. >> thank you howard. >> she was 17 at the time. >> and we have richard fowler.

based on what you heard and the 30 or 40 other accusers, the need what convictedded bill cosby in the court of public opinion. do you have a problem with that? >> watching at going a lot of folks had a problem with this outright media contribution without seeing all of the evidence and then you have a court document which changes a lot of people's perception including people in my audience which has been very clear they are big cosby supporters before that and you see the evidence that is so damning and all you can see in watching the interview knowing the evidence now, wow this is damning stuff and it is very, very sad that mr. cosby has used his power and influence to destroy the legacy of the family of the cosby show. >> wow is the right reaction. i was a big cosby fan. he is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence and i don't think this will go to trial but in term of his career it has been ruined and now a couple more channels are joining

tv land in pulling re-runs of the cosby show, and disney is removing it, does that go too far? >> as more and more evidence comes out we have to see what happens in the court of justice. >> we now know -- it was moving talking to barbara bowman, sobering. if you think about it and the sad part he used his power and influence for the negative, right? the idea behind bill cosby and his legacy he was a buy who changed american culture for the first time you saw the successful african american family deexpected on television and he pushed that forward and made a career for a lot of folks and to see this? it is damming and a nauseating feeling a lost americans have. >> did you also say it is whitewashing of american history to pretend the shows did not exist and kill the re-runs and

take the statue down. can you separate that? >> there has to be a sense of separation. we have to see what happens overtime there is a separation of what the family and bill cosby represent. we have seen bill cosby has tarnished the reputation of an entire program an entire part of american history of without he used his power in the negative. >> it is not just the problem but the comedy albums and three was the first african-american to co-star in a drama on network tv. people say we should not take that away and he is funny but o.j. had a great football career but at some point it is difficult to separate the man from the performer. >> you are right. his legacy has made a lost stars. for example now one of the new permanent host on "the view," because of mr. cosby. but it is sad after all of the good he has done he is now tarnished by his bad acts.

>> as an african-american is it hard to accept what happened to a guy that did so much for the black community and criticized over family dysfunction? >> it is not an african-american issue but a lot of americans are like wow someone who grew up on the cosby show, white black hispanic purr people, blue folks who grew up on this, the idea to be the perfect american family living in new york city and now know the person who led that family was a creep. that is the best way to describe it. that is the down right irony of it all and the sad part. >> a creep we can agree. it has been a lesson for all of america but i have been moved by some black writers saying it is particularly hard for them. >> coming up, you cannot turn on a television set or a visit a news site without seeing donald trump. he is dominating the landscape of the media.

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late night comics democrats. >> he was combative even more so than with me in a half hour interview from msnbc with katie couric. >> republicans say you are hurting the party. do you think you are hurting the party if you advise them will you get no nation and become president? >> on fox say they i am the one that brought up the whole discuss on immigration and i am hoping the party greatly. >> joining us now betsy woodruff and dana milbank columnist for the "washington post". betsy, truck now is number one in one poll and tied with jeb bush in another for first place. is he clever lima anyone lating the media or are they rolling over because as we say in television he rates. >> the media and national political reporters i me and spend time with have 100 view, you see him as a fraudulent, pet

plant goofball blow hard who is only running so the reporters will write about him and that makes reporters not want to write about him. we have resisted. >> you and your friends are doing a lousy job. >> it is hard. we are trying. what are you going to do? >> i love writing about him. he is a rotten but he is good for or business and i am not -- yes, it is a guilty pleasure but i will be -- it is justified to write about him. he is number two in the polls and one in some states. >> do you recognize dana, by attacking and write about it and talking about him you are helping him and giving him the media objects general he needs? >> absolutely. he has milked this system perfectly. he is all kinds of terrible things but he is not a dummy and he knows how to work this and knows how to play the primary electorate and look what he is doing. he has a go bait coming up and fox news on whose set we are has

not decided if high be in it. >> unless he doesn't file the proper paperwork he is in based on the will positives. along, you used pretty strong adjectives to describe the donald and i am sure he will be tweeting on you soon. >> i would argue the media and this is still gone on, have underestimated him and underestimated his impact and then even the negative things that are said play into his hands because he whacks you back after you whack him and then there is a response and a third day asking what it means so even this weekend being in arizona and los angeles he is dominating. >> it is great for trip because -- for trump because he goes on tv and he gets attention and we get traffic and it is good for traffic. >> what about the people who you say, your colleagues who do not

want to talk about him are calling him a me hard, what if they are in a bubble and they are wrong and he is touching a nerve with the republican primary electorate? >> to an extent they are. the majority of reporters live in washington, dc and new york and skew left and they/we are surprised to see blocks and blocks of phoenix waiting for hours to hear this guy. it is for most national politics reporters the love of trump is baffling. >> this is a perfectly legitimate story to cover and justified by the polls. what is this man doing but holding a mirror to our political system. he knows how to work the media. he knows who you to work the republican primary electorate. i covered him 16 years ago and he was soft on immigration and going after pat buchanan. he is a fruit. but he is smart. he is a fraud. >> other politicians have "ever

involved," on immigration or health care but there is tape of him saying he is for universal health care and three is pro choice but at the moment, at least, that supplies off him. >> because more outrageous things are going on. i don't think he is scrutinized as if he is jeb bush or scott walker. >> why not? >> it is a sarah palin phenomenon, we cannot stay away. you know deep in your heart the republicans are not gone to nominate this guy. they are not suicidal but he will make it interesting. >> he is terrifying the republican donors and making republican candidates hurt pump back against him or argue or defend him and changing how the republican primary debate happens. >> he is change the campaign and overshadowing the 14 or 15 or 80 people who are running but they feel lick they have to attack him or respond to him to make

news. you write that the trump is the embodiment of the republican party. come on, as liberal you would love to tar the entire party with that brush. >> it is the primary process the republicans have create asked now they happen to have 15 or 80 or whatever candidates in this and no one is polling more than actually percent. what do you do with that environment? you have to be the most outrageous guy in the room. that is his genius and now the other guys have to respond. he looked at the basket of issues to make the republicans go crazy. he is laughing at the republican primary electorate and at all of us he is exploiting the system. >> do you think that some of your fellow repor pundits value to adjust their view of truck and realize that they have to take him more seriously. >> they will. they have. he is getting more coverage. he is getting bigger deal interviews and getting more air

time because he is polling well and he gets big clouds. it is what it is. >> get used to it. we will have two terms of president trump and i will retire on that. >> i need to be "senior trump correspondent." >> after the break our video verdict. how 9 donald treated katie couric in their contentious interview. ♪ ♪ when you're living with diabetes steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead. ♪

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seemingly endless sit down. >> i am talking about oil. oil areas. >> give me a break katie. go ahead. it sounds wrong but it is wrong. check your numbers. >> none of your business. >> you are going to mention those that do like trump? you don't do that, i am wasting my final talking to you which is essentially one-sided but that is fine, while i am wasting time talking to you i could be doing deals on other things and i an losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars. you are not bringing up anything new, act offing like you are a great reporter. >> research said there are four immigrants on the whole -- --. >> try getting it out. try getting it out. >> will you put this on television but don't know what you are talking about. go ahead. >> the way you put it everything

is negative and as you mentioned only the negatives but you don't want to mention 9 positives. >> playing rough. now, you night think i will throw the penalty flag on trump but he had tough questions and he is entitled to push back hard sometimes he got too personal but the nbc reporter handled it fine and the way they butted hes made for revealing interview more so than if it was just, so polite questions. >> still to come your top tweets a story is questioned about brain surgery in nepal with gupta. all ahead. ave moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla apremilast. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla saw

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sanjay gupta went to nepal after an earthquake two months ago and the doctor >> gupta went to to nepal and a

reporter talked about his brain surgery. tell us about this. >> the girl named selina is eight. >> press journal interviewed the girl and limped she never had an information blaming the chaos at the hospital. haw is flagged now is that patient i operated on may not have been the 8-year-old girl but, rather, a separately 14-year-old girl. we trying to independently verify which child it was that got the operation at that time. >> it was the 14-year-old and that is a big mistake. sanjay deserves credit but the role of touting medical exploits is colliding. he often does surgery overseas without television scam razz or publicity. >> and now a vindication of a former "new york times" reporter

pitching a parade piece on hillary clinton and promised to offer veto power which hillary clinton denied. i did not see that fundraiser told the "washington post" i agree with golb that the use of the word video was bull crap and i should not have used the world but pushed it because she admiralled what was done and her work ethic. >> donald trump said the media is distorting his media. >> half the reports are dropping "illegal." >> he is obvious that he hates immigrants. >> another demagog the messenger to hide the met -- message. >> donald trump is so dominating every nuclear and cranny of the media he now made it into a

promotion for "the simpsons." i am right behind him and again, i can not help it. if i touch it will it heal my baldness? >> homer simpson is getting in your hair and are they just trying to make truck for extra publicity which we just provided. thank you is it for "media buzz" and i hope you like our facebook page that passed 10,000 likes with a lot of original content or e-mail us @mediabuzzfoxnews. you can check it out on our

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