back next week and we'll see you next, fox news sunday. on the buzz beater donald trump takes his anti-illegal immigration drive to arizona and ratchets up his rhetoric and unloads on his favorite target shs the media, the press is very dishonest and people are wise to the press. i watch pundits that don't have a brain. >> are the media turning him into the face of the republican party? after her campaign played with reporters, she grants her first national tv interview. >> what's changed when it comes to your approach with the media. >> nothing has changed.

i have a different rhythm to my campaign. i'm not running it for the press. i'm running it for voters. >> her team concluded that stiffing the press was hurting her campaign and how hard did hillary push for answers and did she try to dismiss reports. a vindication for the more than 30 women who have accused bill cosby of sexual assault. >> i told my agent. she did nothing about it. no one believed me at all. in fact eventually i even went to an attorney and he laughed me right out of his office. >> why the media ignored women like barbara and her new crusade against cosby. i'm howard kurtz and this is "media buzz." donald trump upped the ante

again leading a big phoenix rally yesterday and appearing at a rally with parents whose kids have been killed by illegal immigrants. >> they send people we don't want in our country and they don't want. you'll cut it down in half to leave out what i said which you always do because the press in many cases is very very dishonest. >> joining us now, mercedes. and susan, chief congressional correspondent for washington examiner and michael, columnist for the daily beast. >> has the media misrepresented his position? >> the media has reported on his

comments. it's been clear. however, trump has been one of the most media savvy candidates that we've seen thus far in the race. why? because he takes on the media. and so what happens is you want to get republican primary voters excited. you go after the press. and that seems to be the strategy that's working for trump right now. >> "the washington post" reports that gop leaders are worried about trump becoming the face of the party. rnc chairman calls trump and tells him to tone it down. trump says it's false reporting. >> i have a feeling he wasn't completely lying when he said the conversation was mostly lyly lyly cordial. this has been trump's m.o. for many years. it's as truchmp. i covered him as a reporter. >> he said the country was being ripped off then.

>> he used to get into feuds all the time and he would say he talked exactly the same way about him not telling the truth and this is who he is. it's just crack for political reporters. >> this is the guy that grew up in that new york tabloid culture where he honed these instincts. are the media really making him the symbol of republican party by giving him -- i'll do a rough calculation here. 100 times more coverage than all of the other candidates combined. >> people like to tune in and see donald trump so tv interviews are valuable for that reason and headlines are valuable for that reason. we have an interesting dynamic. the press is treating him as a nonserious candidate. i don't feel like they treat him like someone that could really win the nomination. >> pundit without brains? >> a novelty. what's interesting is voters take him seriously. he's done well in the polls. he's attracting thousands of

people to these rallies. what does that tell you? >> he should be thanking the media. he's getting more air time than any other of these candidates. he's out there interview after interview after interview not afraid to say what he wants to say. it's working for now. whether this is going to last is another question. >> everybody has the caveat that maybe he'll flame out. i don't know if that's the case. it's true that as you say, susan, he's good for ratings and people like watching him. he's entertaining. he's over the top. that's part of the appeal. i wonder you know if i'm one of the other candidates to say you almost have to attack trump to get a headline. >> you almost do. it's an interesting challenge for people behind him in the polls struggling to make that threshold and get any kind of attention and trump is probably dragging the party to the right to some extent because in many people's minds he'll represent what the party stands for and do other candidates have to equal

that? >> jim webb was asked about ukraine. can i say something about donald trump knowing that will buy him a bit. let's move to hillary clinton. for a long time as you know she has kept the press at arm's length. i broke the story last sunday night she was changing her media strategy and has taken questions on the trail and did her first national television interview with cnn. let's take a look. >> we see in our recent poll that 6 in 10 americans say they don't believe that you're honest and trustworthy. do you understand why they feel that way? >> i think when you are subjected to the kind of constant barrage of attacks that are largely coming from the right -- >> do you bear any responsibility for it? >> you know i can only tell you that i was elected twice in new york against the same kind of onslaught. >> and brianna had this question

of trust. >> do you see any role you've had in this sentiment that we've seen where people are questioning whether you're trustworthy. >> i can only tell you that this has been a theme that has been used against me and my husband for many many years. people write books filled with unsubstantiated attacks against us and admit they have no evidence but it's your job to cover it. >> so the media verdict consensus is that hillary was defensive and unpersuasive in that interview. was that too harsh? >> not at all. the media is disappointed in hillary clinton's performance. also i think that she really had a very difficult time defending herself. she gave facts that were not true. you had fact checkers come out. "the washington post" gave her two to three pinocchios. >> on the question of e-mails. >> when you look at the

coverage even jonathan allen came out saying hillary clinton should watch this video over and over again to determine -- to let her understand why people don't trust her. >> i thought it was unfair that some pundits ripped the interrusber interview in advance. how do you think that cnn did? >> i wish she asked more aggressive follow-up questioning and they dedicated too much time to which "saturday night live" character she preferred and who should be on the $10 or $20 bill. >> she did ask questions about e-mails and she asked one question about the clinton foundation mess. she let hillary clinton give a long answer praising the work of the foundation and did not follow up. >> i think that all of the soft questioning hurts hillary clinton. she would have fared better with more aggressive questioning. she walked away with people wondering whether they can trust

her which in the polls is one of her biggest problems right now. >> in your "daily beast" headline hillary plays victim on cnn by one of your colleagues. she came across as guarded under the tv light. do you agree or disagree with that? >> we have a different range of views at the beast. >> what's your view? >> she's a very guarded interview subject. no question about that. i interviewed her she was first running for senate in 2000. the silence was much longer then. she started her campaign in july of 1999 and didn't sit for full henning length interviews until 2000. it's a tough interview. she filibusters and she doesn't -- she goes on for a long time and you sit and look at your watch. this is a cold war between clinton and the media that will go on and political press just doesn't like her and is just waiting to pounce. >> i want to add, maybe the

campaign should go back to their original media strategy of not putting her out there. her poll numbers do better when she's not out there. it just shows you. besides roping in the press, it just shows you that she has a very difficult time just improv. she does better when she's on a stage with a script talking about policies. >> from the point of view from journalists, even the most aggressive questioner cannot force a candidate to break new ground but i was struck by the answer in which hillary clinton said the right is largely launching attacks because where i wish brianna had followed up there is "the new york times" and "the washington post" have done extensive reporting on your e-mail and clinton foundation and other news organizations and not just author of "clinton cash

the cash." >> they say it's right wing clinton conspiracy. this is not helping clinton as a candidate. she should have followed up. i don't think the public is even really buying that anymore. >> i'm going to back her up on that point. whether it's politically smart of her to say that we can debate. there's truth to this. "the new york times" is leading the way on this benghazi reporting. so that's republican directed. i think that's fair to say. i think there's plenty of truth to what is being said. we can debate of whether it's smart of her to say but it's largely true. >> the mainstream media have not just been sitting by. the report about a cold war, it's at least some kind of long standing tensions between hillary and the press, perhaps it's a factor here.

when she's doing live television interview, she has a chance to punch back. one thing that struck me is brianna asked what's changed, why are you doing this interview now because she's been doing zero. she said nothing changed. jennifer told me that the campaign knows it's been damaged by the long drought. we're sacrificing coverage and paying a price. it's more than just that she wanted to spend time with the voters which is true. it's also that the campaign realized this was becoming an overriding issue. >> how do you get your message out? you need the media. that's the type of relationship and reality that we live in right now. she tried to control it and stay quiet as long as possible. that wasn'tworking. then you saw bernie sanders pop in new hampshire. pop in iowa and several other places and the campaign re-evaluated. the campaign tried to control it so much that i think it's been damaging. when she did go out on her first national interview, she bombed. >> you did set me up nicely for

our next segment. reminding everybody to send me a tweet. we like to read some of your messages at the end of each program. ahead, my conversation with one of bill cosby's accusers about his admission under oath and why the media didn't believe her story of sexual assault. when we come back bernie sanders getting positive press for big crowds and fund-raising but are journalists really taking him seriously?

as the media pounced on accusations from well over 30 women that bill cosby used drugs to sexually assault them the media had nothing but statements from his lawyers denying the allegations. there was a civil suit where crosby said yes to the question on whether he planned to use the pills to get young women to have sex with him. he recalled an incident in las vegas in the '70s. she meets me backstage. i gave her quaaludes. we then have sex. barbara bowman gave her own deposition in that case and now she had a chance to talk to her about what went on. she works with the group promoting awareness victim empowerment. i have to caution you. some of what she has to say here is graphic. i spoke to her earlier from los

angeles. welcome. >> hi howard. thanks for having me on. >> you say that bill cosby drugged you and raped you when you were a 17-year-old aspiring actress. what happened when you first told people about that? >> i told my agent and she did nothing about it. no one believed me at all. in fact eventually i went to an attorney and he laughed me right out of his office. >> wow. take a minute to describe what happened with cosby on that day. >> within the first 30 minutes of my audition with cosby, he knew everything about me. he knew i was an only child. he knew i had no father figure in my life and he was america's favorite dad. he was dr. huxtable and was everybody's favorite dad. everybody trusted him. i totally trusted him. he said he would take on that role to be my father figure. and then wanted to with me on my trust issues and

vulnerability issues and worked me over pretty well and brainwashed me. the time that's most horrible was in his brownstone apartment in new york. i went over to work on a script and his chef was there and had prepared a nice dinner. i had one glass of wine. and next thing i know i'm upstairs and i'm throewing up in the toilet. i'm in a man's t-shirt that wasn't mine. he's looming over me. holding my hair out of the toilet in a white robe. my panties were a mess. i was dirty and wet and he raped me. >> when you tried to join the 2004 lawsuit by another woman, was there any media reaction to you trying to go public? >> it started to get a little bit of traction and momentum. "people" magazine did an article and philadelphia magazine and so it was getting a little bit of

attention. >> what about the rest of the media? why do you think it took news organizations so long to focus on what you say happened to you and the other women? >> well i was threatened into silence and the people i did tell did nothing to help me at all. >> how do you feel now that cosby's admission in his own decade old deposition has become public? >> it is liberating feeling of elation and hope that i experienced through this whole thing. it allows me to do work. >> you are asking that medal of freedom to be taken away. why is that important to you? >> that medal is the most distinguished and most highly

honorable medal that you can earn. for him to have admitted to drugging women and with that background he does not deserve to stand alongside those prestigious people that earned that award. we're talking about people that have made wonderful contributions to our culture and the fact he accepted that award with such deception as a liar and as a predator and that medal from george w. bush is despicable. it's irresponsible and disrespectful. and i believe he should return it. >> barbara bowman thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you very much howard. >> she was 17 at the time. joining us now, richard fowler

radio talk show host. based on what you heard from barbara bowman and 30 or 40 other accusers do you have a problem with cosby being convicted in the court of public opinion? >> people had a problem with a conviction without seeing evidence and then you had a court document which changed a lot of people's perception. they are big cosby supporters. then you see this evidence that's so damning and all you can say knowing evidence now, this is damning stuff and it's very very sad that mr. cosby has used his power and his influence to sort of destroy the legacy of the huxtables and what the cosby show was for millions of americans. >> wow is the right reaction. i used to be a huge cosby fan. entitled to the legal presumption of evidence. none of this will go to trial. in terms of his career it's been ruined. now you have a couple more

channels joining tv land in yanking reruns of "the cosby show" and disney removing his statue. does that go too far? let's say nothing else happened. that was moving talking to barbara bowman. >> sobering. i think if you think about it and you think about the sad part is he used his power and influence for negative. the whole ideal behind bill cosby and his legacy before this is he changed american culture for the first time you saw successful african-american family depicted on television. he pushed that forward. he made a career from a lot of folks. to see this it's damning and nauseating feeling that a lot of americans have. >> does part of you say it's kind of white washing of american history to then pretend that these shows didn't exist and to take the statue down and

kill reruns and can you separate that? >> i think there has to be some sort of sense of operation. i think we'll have to see what happens over time. there's a separation of what huxtables represent and what bill cosby represents. bill cosby tarnished an entire program and american history because of how he chose to use his power in the negative. >> it's comedy albums and ispy first african-american to co-star on network tv. huge thing at the time. people say we shouldn't take that away and he's funny. o.j. simpson had a great football career but at some point it's very difficult to separate the man from the performer. >> i think you're right. don't get me wrong. his legacy made a lot of stars. possibly the new permanent host of "the view" owes bill cosby

thanks. >> on a gut level, is it hard to accept? >> i think this is not really an african-american issue. i think it's a lot of americans are, like wow, for somebody that grew up on "the cosby show" this ideal of this yearning to be this perfect american family living in new york city to now know the person who led that family was a creep. that's the best way to describe it. i think that's the irony of it all and sad part for many of americans. >> a creep. on that we can agree. it's been a lesson for all of america. particularly moved by some black writers talking about how this is particularly hard for them. richard fowler, great to see you. thank you for being here. coming up you can't turn on a television set or visit a news sight without seeing donald trump. why he's dominating the media landscape and cnn doctor forced

to change his story about which patients he operated on in an earthquake zone.

day after day, donald trump is dominating the media debate. >> i'm here to declare that

donald trump is a crown. >> he's god's gift to tv pundits and late-night comics. he's the face of the republican party. >> trump was very combative even more so than with me last week in a half hour interview that katie couric aired ed-- katie tur aired on msnbc. >> will you get the nomination and become president? >> they said i brought up the whole discussion on imdprags and i think i'm helping the party greatly. >> joining us now, betsy woodruff woodruff. he's tied with jeb bush in a poll first place. is he credibly manipulating the media or are they rolling over because he rates? >> the media and national political reporters that i know and spend time with have one

view of donald trump. he's a fraudulent goofball who is only running for office so reporters will write about him and that makes reporters not want to write about him. we have resisted as long as possible. he's polling like crazy. >> you and your friends are doing a lousy job. you talk about him all the time. >> i love writing about him. the man is a rotten pig but good for our business and i'm not -- it's a guilty pleasure but i'm going to be -- it's justified to write about him. number two in the polls. number one in some states. >> do you recognize that by attacking him and writing about him and talking about him, you are helping him and giving him the media oxygen that his campaign needs to thrive on. you are complicit. >> absolutely. he as milked this system perfectly. he's all kinds of terrible things. he's not a dummy. he knows how to work this. he knows how to play the primary electorate. and look at what he's doing. he has a debate coming up and

fox news has to decide on whether he's going to be in it or not. >> unless he doesn't file the proper paperwork, he's in. you used strong adjectives to describe the donald and i'm sure he'll tweet soon. i would argue that the media underestimated his impact and then even the negative things that are said kind of plays into his hands because he learned this in new york. you whack donald trump and he whacks you back and then trump responded and then what does it mean? so even this weekend being out in arizona and l.a. he still is dominating the coverage. >> it's great for trump. he gets to go on tv. he gets to yell and gets attention he craves. we get clicks and traffic. that's good for business. it works both ways. >> what about the people who you

say who your colleagues who don't really want to talk about him were calling him a blow hard. what if they're in a bubble and he's wrong and he's touching a nerve with the primary republican electorate? >> majority of reporters live in new york and d.c. in urban areas and skew left and don't spend time with donald trump fans and they/we are surprised to see blocks and blocks in phoenix full of people waiting for hours in 100-degree weather to hear this guy. for most national politics reporters, the love of trump is baffling. >> this is a legitimate story for media to be covering. it's justified by the polls and what is this man doing but holding up a mirror to our political system? he knows how to work the media. he knows how to work the republican primary electorate. i covered this guy 16 years ago and he was soft on immigration going after pat buchanan as a racist. completely flip. he's a complete fraud but he's smart and -- >> you say he's a complete fraud. other politicians have evolved

on their position of immigration or health care but there's video of trump saying he's for universal health care and pro-choice. at the moment that slides off him. >> i suppose because more outrageous things are going on with him. he's not being scrutinized as if he's jeb bush or scott walker. >> why not? >> it's a sarah palin phenomenon. we can't stay away from it. you know deep in your heart that republicans are not going to nominate this guy. they're not suicidal. he'll make it interesting. >> he's impacting the field. he's freaking out republican donors and making republican candidates either push back against him or argue with him or defend him. he's changing the way the republican primary debate happens. >> he changed the entire campaign and not only in terms of overshadowing the other 14 or 80 people who are running with you they feel like they have to

attack him or respond to him. i said we're all living in donald's world. you write that trump is embodiment of republican party. as a liberal you would love to tar the entire party with that brush. >> it's the primary process republicans have created and now they happen to have 15 or 80 or whatever candidates in there. nobody is really polling more than 12%. what do you do in that environment? you have to be the most outrageous guy in the room. this was trump's genius and of course now the other guys have to respond to that. i think he looked at what's the basket of issues that's going to just make that republican primary electorate go crazy. i'll pick these five and hit immigration. he's laughing at the republican primary electorate but all of us because he's exploiting the system. >> just briefly. do you think some of your fellow reporters and pundits will have to adjust their view of trump and realize that they have to take him more serious? >> i think they will and already have. he's getting more coverage and bigger deal interviews and more

air time and that's because he's polling so well and gets big crowds. it is what it is. >> we'll have two terms of president trump. i'll retire on that. >> i've done so much trump i feel like i should have a daily show title senior trump correspondent. good to see you today. after the break, our video verdict. how the donald treated katie tur in their contentious interview.

time now for our video verdict. donald trump is a very aggressive guy when you get him in the interview chair as i found out last week at trump tower. >> i think that they criticize you, and your instinct, like a

boxer, is to punch back. >> i do punch back. i believe in punching back? but even by his boxing match standards the tonight was pretty hard in nbc's katy tur in their seemingly endless sit-down. >> i'm talking about oil, oil areas, not talking about civilian areas. >> civilians are near oil areas. >> give me a break. give me the next question. sounds good. wrong statistics check your next. it's really none of your business. are you going to mention the ones that do like trump? while i'm wasting my time talking to you, which is essentially one-sided, wasting my time talking to you i could be doing deals on other things. i'm missing out hundreds of millions of dollars. you're not bringing up anything new. you're acting like a great reporter. >> your research says that there are immigrants on the whole -- >> come on try getting it out. try getting it out. >> i'll get it out. >> i don't know if you're going to put this on television but you don't even know what you're talking about. try getting it out.

the way you've put, it everything is so negative. it's too bad that she mentioned only the negatives. don't want to mention all the positives. >> playing rough. now you might think i'm going to throw the penalty flag on trump, but, no katy tur peppered him with tough questions, he's entitled to push back hard. sometimes he got a tad too personal. the nbc reporter handled it just fine and the way they butted heads made for a revealing interview, more so than if it just been a series of oh, so polite questions. all right. still to come your top tweets. sanjay gupta mired in confusion as the media outlet questions his story about brain surgery in nepal and the simpsons play a little politics. "buzzworthy" is still ahead.

sanjay gupta went to nepal after an earthquake two months ago and the doctor reported on cnn about his life-saving efforts. >> they just have more patients than they can accommodate which

is why you've jumped into action. tell us about this little girl that we're seeing on the screen whom you just performed brain surgery on. >> the girl named selena. she's 8 years old. >> but the global press journal interviewed the girl's family and found out that the girl never had an operation forcing gupta to backtrack blaming the chaos at the hospital. >> what has been flagged for us is that in fact the patient that i operated on may not have been the 8-year-old girl but separately a 14-year-old girl. trying to independently verify which child it was that got the operation at that time. >> turns out it was the 14-year-old, and that's a big mistake. sanjay deserves credit for doing surgery in a disaster zones. sanjay gupta often does surgery overseas without any television cameras or publicity. les gelb has been vindicated on his dealings with hillary clinton. a hillary fund-raiser wrote that

the former "new york times" reporter had pitched a "parade" magazine piece on clinton an prompted to offer veto power over its contents which gelb denied and i didn't see at the time was that lynn rothschild said my use of the word viso was bullcrap. les is absolutely right that i should no have used that word. she admired so much of what she did and particularly her work ethic. donald trump says the media is distorting his position on illegal immigration. martin fairfax, half the media are dropping illegal in the coverage. christian, not real given that he's been incredibly obvious he hates immigrants. max, demagogue the message to hide the messenger. who said all mexicans were rapists and murderers? he's being quoted accurately with his comments just ask his fellow xwop contenders and i can't resist this one. donald trump is so dominating every nook and cranny of the

media landscape he's now made it into a promo for "the simpsons." >> hey, hey, hey. >> i'm right behind him. not supposed to stare as it directly but i can't help t.if i touch, it will it heal my baldness? >> when homer simpson is getting in your hair the media is treating you as a cultural phenomenon as much as a presidential candidate or just trying to milk trump for a little extra publicity which i guess we just provided. that's it for this edition of "media buzz." i'm howard kurtz. we hope you'll like our facebook page. just passed 10,000 likes. a lot of original content. if you e-mail us at media

buzz@foxnews.com. as for the television version we're back here next sunday at 11:00 and 5:00 eastern. we hope you'll join us then for more on the media and the latest buzz. a fox urgent as we cover a story developing into the late hours on this sunday. it appears we're on "the brink" of a historic nuclear deal with iran. and at this hour the associated press is reporting negotiators in vienna austria plan to announce a final agreement tomorrow. at the very least multiple reports that a deal is within reach shortly. secretary of state john kerry who was recently as of thursday threatened to walk away from the talks said today a few tough thing remain but some real decisions are being made. here's what's at stake. any agreement will be looked at very closely by lawmakers in washington, d.c. who say it must be tough enough