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>> we're also now getting word that the treatment will go to the nighted nations security council within the next 10 days. >> so much to look at through the deal as we pour through it. coverage throughout the day on fox. thanks for being with us, everybody. we'll see you back here tomorrow. jenna: we pick up that coverage with fox news alert. a landmark nuclear deal is reached with iran. now comes the job of convincing the congress and americans that this agreement is a win for our nation and for the entire world. hello, welcome to "happening now" on historic day i'm jenna lee. jon: lots of convincing left to be done. i'm jon scott. negotiators announcing that breakthrough this morning between iran, the u.s. and five major world powers. they say the dewill prevent iran from producing materials needed for nuclear weapon and subject iranian facilities to rigorous inspections. president obama making it clear what happens if iran breaks its word. >> this deal is not built on trust. it is built on verification.
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inspectors will have 24/7 access to iran's key nuclear facilities. if iran violates the deal all the sanctions snap back into place. there is very clear incentive for iran to follow through. there are very clear consequences for a violation. >> the agreement we have reached fully implemented, will bring insight and accountability to iran's nuclear program, not for a small numbers of years, but for the life sometime of that program. -- lifetime of that program. this is the good deal we have sought. jon: rich he had southern with more details on the agreement live from vienna. rich? >> reporter: jon, relief among the negotiators, worry among skeptics about this deal of the bottom line on this one iran would have to dismantle some portion of its nuclear infrastructure. it would have to submit to inspections, however iran could delay the inspections for three weeks past that wouldn't
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necessarily be immediate. iran would gain access to more than $100 billion in frozen assets. also the west would lift a host of economic sanctions. for now it is up to the administration to sell this to a very skeptical congress. >> i am confident that people will not choose to turn their back on the rest of the international community on this opportunity to change a relationship, and this opportunity which is the only viable alternative, to be able to guarranty there is a peaceful nuclear program and that they will not succeed or choose to get a weapon. >> i think this is such a bad deal it would be hard to muster 20 votes. what the president has done, he has taken the world's most destablizing power one of our chief antagonists a country that killed hundreds of americans in iraq and guaranteed they will become a nuclear nation. instead of dismantling this program this deal locks in their nuclear program.
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>> reporter: the administration had earlier said that lifting an arms and missile embargo would not be part of this deal however it ends up in this deal if iran meets a certain set of standards, or few years five and eight years go by iran's embargo when it comes to missiles and arms would be lifted. jon? jon: so many details yet to be examined. rich edson live in vienna. thank you. jenna: we heard from senator graham. this deal is not without its critics including key lawmakers like senator graham, iranian hard-liners as well as israeli prime minister. president has to go to congresses convince lawmakers to block his deal or thability to suspend sanctions. here are two guests with years of experience dealing with nuclear policy issues and iranian sanctions. we have the executive director of the center for democracy. joe cirincione, author of nuclear nightmare.
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we're here years, years having you both on the program. you are friendly and had talks at some of the highest levels but you come from very different point of views on this one issue. we'll have a real conversation if it kills us today and try to answer one basic question. is this deal-making us more or less safe, mark? >> well, jenna first of all congratulations to joe. i know he advocated for this deal he deserves a lot of deal. joe owns this deal. this deal will make the world and united states less safe. what we're essentially doing over time we're handing leading state sponsor of terrorism expanding nuclear infrastructure will give it near zero breakout and easier clandestine sneakout. we're enriching a regime that killed hundreds of americans. providing billions of dollars to fund the assad government and terrorist proxies around the world. this deal will convert nuclear pariah over time into a respectable mem better nuclear community. this is same revolutionary regime. over time this regime will
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become more dangerous on all fronts. jenna: joe? >> as you would expect, jenna i completely disagree. every president since ronald reagan has tried to stop and roll back iran's nuclear program. four presidents have tried. four have failed. president obama may have just found the right formula. this deal will shrink-wrap iran's nuclear program. it cuts it dramatically, removing most. centrifuges. removing astonishing 98% of uranium gas. ripping out the core of plutonium production reactor. cutting off every pathway to a bomb, wrapping that program in the most intrusive inspection verification regime we ever seen negotiated. it is not perfect but it is an excellent start. jenna: so, joe, let's say that does happen, that iran never ever get as nuclear weapon. what about mark's point about iran's role as a state sponsor of terror, gaining other weapons because the arms embargo is relaxed here and mischief that they're doing in the region but
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also around the world? what about that aspect. >> yeah. the very many aspects of iran's behavior we object to. we'll continue to fight that for example we're not dropping sanctions on human rights or terrorism violation. we're not dropping sanctions on ballistic missile program. look this deal is not fix it mechanism for everything. it doesn't cure cancer. it will not help you shed unwanted pounds. it does one thing and one thing only. it stops iran from getting a nuclear bomb and that is a pretty big deal. jenna: is that worth something, mark? having no nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists sounds like a good thing. >> sounds like a good thing. joe is not telling you reality. over time iran gets expanded nuclear program. after 10 years some restrictions disappear. after 15 most go away. they have can build multiple heavy water reactors advanced centrifuges, much easier to hide. this inspection regime,
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unprecedented inspection regime will be carried out by small u.n. agency. this is fundamental massive historical bet on our ability to inspect industrialize sized massive nuclear program in hands after regime with hundreds of billions of dollars this creating a nuclear state over time. this is not shrinking anything. jenna: respond to it in this way. watching the president's announcement with my 10-month-old. the president is talking about the way forward with iran. this is where policy becomes our reality, right? my son is 10 months old. in 10 years he will be almost turning 11. what women he face at the end of that 10 years joe? >> yeah this is a very complicated agreement. i am proud to own this and i'm trying to read it all. but this deal locks up iran's program for longer than it is actually been in existence. some of it does expire after 10 but most of it keeps going for 15 years, 20, 25.
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and the ban on making nuclear weapons, the inspection regime, that is like diamonds t lasts forever. it is only one step. what do we do between, in the next 10 or 15 years? what kind of iran do we want to see and what programs do we put in place to make sure iran changes doesn't become the country we have, we see now 10 years from now? jenna: let me ask mark about that. mark, joe brings up the point overs last 10 years, 20 years 30 years, our dealings with iran have not been effective in a way they continue to be a huge state sponsor of terror. they continue not to be partners we want in the region. if it we could choose and develop a partner iran would not meet that character we would choose. so does this give us an opening over the next several years just to change over what we've done over the past and maybe establish something different with iran? is there a glimmer of optimism there. >> jenna, there is always a glimmer of optimism but i refer not to be optimistic when it comes to the middle east. we usually are too optimistic
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when it comes to the middle east. this is the same revolutionary regime. it's a state sponsor of terrorism. it killed hundreds and thousands americans. i don't want to bet your son's and my son's future on glimmer of hope this revolutionary regime will change. joe is making that bet making fundamental transformative bet in 10 years. i hope and pray you are right. based on middle east history and nuclear history you will be wrong. what you essentially provided this regime with industrial sized near zero breakout in nuclear program hundreds of billions of dollars to fund its regional expansionism and fund terrorism. that is not a good bet, joe. jenna: joe give you a chance to respond to that but i also want to play a little sound for historical context. wee don't need to look at middle east to wonder if pass is precedent. joe, we talked about this before. a lot of comparison being made to the soviet union and united states engaging in the soviet union and for advocates of this plan look at that.
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we did that once. it will work for us again. there is actually a situation some is parallel and more recent history. here is president clinton talking about the nuclear deal with north korea. >> this agreement is good for the united states, good for our allies and good for the safety of the entire world. it reduces the danger of the threat of nuclear spreading in the region. it is a crucial step towards drawing north korea into the global community. jenna: you know what happened approximately 10 years later. we think we have a deal. don't have a deal. north korea is now nuclear state. why is this different than that joe? >> the north korean agreement was about four pages long. this thing is over 100 pages long. nothing is being left to chance. everything is being written down to make sure there is no wiggle room and no mistakes. and then our job will be to enforce this agreement over the life of its, of this agreement. that i was a generation worth of enforcement we have to do.
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look, not irv agreement is perfect. it could be some mistakes but i have the same hope that ronald reagan had when he negotiated with our worst adversary at the height of the cold war. he made deals with the soviet june that held, that reduced the risk and opened up channels that the two superpowers could talk. this is kind of potential we now see in this deal. jenna: that is is interesting. look 30 years later mark looking again russia under a different leader and different threat some think to our country. although ronald reagan was able to negotiate with the soviet union, we also have to look at where we are now. wonder will that be the same place with iran? go back respond to joe as our final comments as we wrap up our conversation about the north korea deal because again that is more recent history and some say it can aplie more here than going back to the soviet union as model. >> that is exactly right after agreement north korea they were predicting implosion of
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north korean regime. don't worry about the flaws don't worry about the details the regime will be gone. guess what? the regime stayed. it is now nuclear armed and serious national security threat. the difference ronald reagan scared the soviet union. ronald reagan maintained offensive pot ture. ronald reagan used credible threat of military force and aggression around the world to keep the soviet union at bay. ali khamenei of iran has the president's number. rolled him on all major con kegs session. this program is not dismantle. ed it is being expanded joe, the stock pride documents were 100 pages long. almost led to implosion of the united states. one hundred pages don't mean it is a good agreement. jenna: we're all working through it. it is tough. we'll find out a lot more about this agreement over next several days and weeks it takes a lot to go through. our viewers will have access.
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what happens, joe, mark, do you go out for coffee after this? is this normal day in the office? i know you guys are friends. >> you bring it all to the show, jenna. bring it all to the show. afterwards we shake hands. >> i know you will. great to have both of your opinions. no matter which way you see it is historic day. we take it all in have you back as we always do. thank you to you both. >> thank you jenna. thank you joe. jon: some new developments on the search for a missing baby girl as her father is shot and killed by california police. how they found him and where his six-month-old little girl might be. plus wisconsin governor scott walker might be a latecomer to the republican race but he has been consistently strong in the polls. we'll talk to our political panel about his campaign. we want to hear from you about the top story of the day. do you support the nuclear agreement that six world powers reached with iran today? our live chat is up and running. go to foxnews.com/happeningnow.
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jenna: right now some crime stories we're following. lawyers for the man convicted of murdering former washington inturn chandra levy want him released pending new trial. he will be in court where his attorneys are expected to make a formal request. that trial is expected to start in 2016 if it indeed happens a new trial. a father wanted for disappearance of his infant daughter is shot and killed by sheriffs in northern california. matthew graham carjacked someone before officers shot and killed him. police believe his six-month-old daughter who has been missing since july 2nd, may be dead. closing arguments in the colorado murder trial of james holmes. prosecutors will have two hours for each of the arguments. holmes faces death penalty if he is convicted of murder of 12 people in an aurora theater in 2012. he is pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. jon: the son of a boston police
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captain is accused plotting to detonate a pressure cooker bomb at university and broadcast the murder of students live online all on behalf of isis. 2-year-old alexander ciccolo is appearing in court today -- 23-year-old. he was arrested in new york after obtaining guns from an f fbi informant. he was planning to attack unnamed university concentrating on dorms and cafeteria. molly line in springfield massachusetts. molly? >> reporter: that's right, jon. investigators here say they thwarted yet another isis inspired would be killing attack. the man allegedly planned to attack colleges students in dorms and cafeterias using guns and improvised explosives. the 23-year-old man named, alexander cicola was taken into custody on 4th of july after accepting four firearms from a
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person who was cooperating. ciccolo was arrested immediately. he goes by an alias online and isis supporter who shared his jihadist sympathies with the cooperating witness including plans to attack a state university using a assault rifles and improvised explosives while broadcasting the executions of students live via the internet. court documents reveal the agents found partially constructed molotov cocktails at his apartment and witnessed him buying a pressure cooker on july third. ciccolo is the son of a boston police captain. sources say his father first alerted authorities to a radical change in the younger man who has suffered with mental illness since his childhood. the ciccolo family released a statement saying, while we were saddened and disappointed to learn of our son's intentions, we're grateful our authorities were able to prevent loss of life or harm to others. after he was arrested the deet
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was taken to the franklin house authorities and authorities say took a pen and nabbed a nurse in the head leaving a bloody hole snapping the pen in half. he faces 10 years in prison. he is will be here in federal court in springfield, massachusetts. the detention hearing is slated 3:30 this afternoon. jon. jon: so sad for that father. molly line in boston, thank you. jenna: we'll talk to our political panel about the impact this conservative governor will have on already very crowded race.
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i'm for reform, growth, safety. i'm for transferring power from washington into the hands ever hard-working taxpayers in states all over the country. that is real reform. [cheers and applause] jon: wisconsin governor scott walker republican to announce a bid for the white house. he is wasting no time hitting the campaign trail. the governor plans to visit five key states in six days this week including nevada, iowa, and new hampshire. so where does he stand in a crowded gop field? joining us now for some analysis associate editor and columnist for "the hill," a.b. stoddard and senior political columnist for the "washington examiner," tim carney. welcome to you both. thanks for joining us. ab he is one of the last to get into the race. can he wind up in first place? >> absolutely he can. he unlike someone like governor john kasich of ohio who will be entering the race next week scott walker is coming in with
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appears to be late in this cycle but he is very high in the polls topping the polls in iowa. he is comfortably known to republican primary electorates, specifically in iowa where he plans to win and launch his nomination. so he actually is well-positioned. he is the only one who really seems at this point to be sort of this bridge between the social conservatives and the hawks and the small government economic conservatives and not just be labeled an establishment republican. he has a record. as you know in wisconsin of reforms that he fought hard for and divided the state over but he won on but that has placed him very high up with primary voters. he starts at the head of the pack. jon: he said, tim, that he is a fighter. he contrasted himself with a number of his competitors who he says have fought but haven't won any battles. others he said haven't really fought. he says he has done both.
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>> that's exactly right. what you have with walker is a guy who has gone ahead and fought these battles in the state government and defeated very powerful lobbies the government employee union and when he is talking about the people who fight but don't win, he is basically pointing at ted cruz for the most part who had his government shutdown fight that did not end very well for the republicans. he didn't get to block obamacare. he was talking about the other people who might win but without fighting tough fights. talking about chris christie whose record as governor of new jersey he can't point to number of accomplishments ha walker has done in wisconsin. so that really is message that puts himself between the tea partiers mostly in the senate where they just don't have very many success and establishment guys pointing at jeb bush and chris christie mostly. jon: let me talk about one of the themes that some are writing about, ab, see if you agree with
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it. some people say people like jeb bush and marco rubio are trying to broad the appeal of the republican party and appeal more towards centrist voters. scott walker comes into the race appealing very much toward conservative voters and he says feels that by doing so he will broaden the appeal of the party to maybe blue-collar democrats. what do you think? >> right. what scott walker says you don't have to change your principles to win. you win on your battles and people are drawn to your leadership. and that is how you win over a majority. and he won as you know three times in four years statewide in a blue state. that said jeb bush and marco rubio are trying to appeal to women, to latinos. they have purposefully fudged their responses on, not fudged but smoothed their responses to the supreme court ruling on same-sex marriage whereas opposed to that walker is taking a much harder tack. making business-minded republican donors very nervous
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that walker will not be able in the end to be a good general election nominee, who could broaden the tent of the republican party and bring in new voters. they will have to get to 51%. they will get 48% of the country, republican nominee is but you need the last 3% to win the white house. so that is why you see candidates, and donors having this discussion all the time about who could bring in new voters and who might keep their support too narrow. jon: let's talk about the democratic race now especially hillary clinton, the democratic candidate using an economic speech to try to distance herself from president obama while also taking on her republican rivals. distancing herself from the sitting president is maybe a tall order, tim. i heard her this morning talking about the iran deal. when they were both campaigning for president in 2008 she was much harder on the iranians than he was. now she is applauding this deal. i guess she kind of has to but
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what about this economic speech? can she separate herself and her own economic ideas from president obama? >> well she hasn't been heavy on the policy but she has been very heavy and very effective i think at laying out the problems, if the problem is rising inequality, if the problem as she puts it the stock market is going up but and corporate profits are at record high but wages are stagnant, that actually has persisted and gotten worse under obama. so when it comes to pointing out the problems of say, a george w. bush presidency, all those problems are there with the economy in obama's presidency. so she can say, this problem, whatever obama did that was good he didn't solve this problem. and in that way i think if republicans listened to her and her articulation of what is wrong with the economy they would benefit because i think she is giving the best opening for attacking the obama economy. jon: many republicans don't like the dodd-frank law, for instance, ab. she seems to be one to support
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it. >> well what she did in her speech yesterday jon is to try to sound like she is appealing to the elizabeth warren and bernie sanders supporters in the left-wing of her party by talking about profit sharing, supporting and protecting dodd-frank, a minute mum wage increase and on and on. worker protechses in the sharing economy. she went after a lot of good ideas that she says she will have specifics for later that she says would help the american worker but she is not going to tell what you that minimum wage increase is. she will not get specific what she would do to maybe expand dodd-frank in the years to come. she is not going as far as the progressive wing wants and trying to keep the balance and not tilt too far left before the general election. she is trying to appeal to that crowd but not go all the way over. that is another reason she didn't mention bernie sanders name. she wants to show democrats she is probably the strongest general election candidate. she is not really in a real fight with someone like bernie
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sanders. jon: so she doesn't need to wrestle directly with bernie sanders, tim, do you agree? >> absolutely. she is far enough ahead in the polls, the standard strategy which is prudent, basically ignore him, if he says something you agree with you repeat it but to fight him at this point would raise his, raise his profile. i think she has got to worry soon she will won't be able to avoid him if he continues to rise in the new hampshire polls, she may have to go face-to-face. jon: quick answer from both of you, does joe biden get into this race, ab? >> i don't know why they're letting all the stories happen that sound like he might. i would have said no but obviously there is a lot of talk he is allowing. jon: and tim? >> i do not think he will get into the race. i don't believe he believes he can win. jon: thea both. >> thank you. jenna: israel's prime minister warning about the iran nuke deal as he calls it a historic mistake for the world and his country is not bound by the deal raising some eyebrows today. the impact this could have next.
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making a big step in his recovery. we'll have his inspiring story. jenna: back now to our top story. fallout from the iran nuclear deal with israel's prime minister calling the agreement between iran and six world powers a quote, historic mistake for the world. benjamin netanyahu warning that lifting economic sanctions will give iran hundreds of billions of dollars to support its allies in the middle east raising concerns about iran's increased ability to fund terror groups. joining us a former fbi supervisory special agent. author of the black banners. chief executive officer of the stefan group. nice to have you on set. >> thank you, general in. jenna: looking at notes coming out of your group. one of the things you said this morning at least your group and organization in the sheet you put out on this the rhetoric on both sides is unduly dramatic. i think we need a little bit of a pause a couple hours after the news. would you believe that, that both sides are overly dramatic at this point? >> we see from people who really did not read the deal yet --
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jenna: you have by the way. >> 158 pages. it includes a lost charts. it is very complicated. there are a lot of details in it and technical details even a person like me is not going to be very understanding of it, however, however i think when is comes to iran it is never only about the nuclear deal. it is about the role iran is playing in the world and in the region. not only israelis fearful of the deals. the arab states, gulf states are as fearful. iran as part of this deal, for example, in six to 12 months will have a will have access to about $150 billion from banks, frozen assets and banks in japan and in south korea. now, what will the iranian government do with this money? is this money going to fix the iranian crumbling iranian economy? or is it going to fund assad? will it fund hezbollah? jenna: i'm curious --
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>> the houthis? jenna: in "new york times," here is what david sanger said in the "the new york times," the president told his aides he expects relatively little of the money to be spent financing terrorism or emerging core of iranian cyber warriors, a group as elite as nuclear scientists. that is what the president believes. >> that is fine and dandy. if the president believes he may have intelligence and we have to verify, verify verify. there is no trust in this. it has to be verify, you verified. we have four decades of bad relationship with iran. the hard work begins now. all the negotiations, two years of negotiation this is easy work compared to the hard work. why is it hard work? number one we have to be sure this deal, technical details of the deal and political details of the deal are implemented. that is number one. jenna: can we with our footprint in the region being what it is right now? >> that is why i said it is the
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hard thing and we have, you know, the five plus one agreeing with us. this deal is not only between the united states and iran. this dial is between six major powers and iran. this is number one. number two, what we need to do with the iranians, we need to develop another strategy, a parallel strategy to this nuclear deal, so-called nuclear deal. we need to develop a parallel strategy to guarranty iran will not be playing a menacing role in the region, to counter the menacing activity and push iran and iranian people to play more construct role in the regional -- jenna: this is what i want to talk to you specifically about the region. you have done a great deal of work in the middle east and you know what it means when we have a new policy and you on the ground as someone in the field has to implement that policy. that was part of your career in the past. you sat across the table from tear activities. knowing what you do from your past experience how do you think this policy will be implemented? what will be immediate ripple
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effects of this announcement throughout the middle east? >> if we don't have a parallel strategy to guarranty for our partners and allies in the region we have their back and deal with iran is not regional deal and gives iran a regional ability to further enhance their control of the region in baghdad or in beirut i think it might work. however the immediate reaction is going to be very dangerous. the immediate reaction houthi in sanaa hamas in gaza, assad in syria, all the groups, shiite militias in iraq they will think this is huge victory for them. jenna: how do we do that? as quickly as you can how quickly do we develop that strategy that quite frankly looks to be more aggressive than these negotiations? >> sure. the strategy at this point need to be explained to all partners. so we're not going to only go on tv to talk about the technical
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aspect of the deal. our part in saudi arabia or israel or in the gulf states, they don't really care about the technical elements of the deal. the saudi government or a source from the saudi government said to us today if this deal will prevent iran from obtaining the bomb, that is a good deal, but if it will give iran an access to control the region, then this is very bad deal. jenna: do you think israel makes a move here? benjamin netanyahu in his comments said we're not bound by this deal. we'll do everything we can to defend ourselves. >> i'm sure prime minister netanyahu had a lot of concerns and international concerns and domestic concerns. at the same time this deal is not only between iran and united states. this deal is between six major powers u.n., e.u. and united states. there will be a lot of negotiations now going on behind closed doors about how can we support our allies and how can we you know, ease them at this stage. jenna: we'll see if that can be achieved. as you said the hard work begins
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one of those candidates. our #oneluckyguy is south carolina senator lindsey graham. he will be on "outnumbered" for the first time at top of the hour. jon: looking forward to that. see you both then. >> he was a surprised. i think he knew we were coming. it was just a matter of time. jon: california police on the arrest of matthew mueller, the 38-year-old haw sadder law school graduate is in custody now in connection with the kidnapping of denise hoskins. police originally said she was lying about her abduction last spring. here is the timeline leading up to muller's arrest. she was reportedly kidnapped from her home. less than 12 hours huskins boyfriend calls police to say she had been abducted. following day the "san francisco chronicle" received awe yo file of someone claiming to be huskins saying she was kidnapped. on march 25th huskins is found safe 400 miles away. later that day vallejo police
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called the kidnapping a hoax. five days later the "san francisco chronicle" gets another communication, demanding police apologize for calling it a hoax but three months later comes a major twist. june 8th. matthew mueller was taken into custody for home invasion. on june 13th he is arrested for the kidnapping of denise huskins after the police and fbi find similarities in both cases. let's bring in lis wiehl, fox news legal analyst. diana eisman, former prosecutor and defense attorney. lis, the stories don't get much weirder than this. everybody, the police and fbi included dismissed this as a hoax because the ransesome demand was $8500. seemed paltry and insignificant. now they're saying it was real deal. >> but, on the same day jon look at the timeline, she was found, march 25th it was a hoax. how could they have done that? how could they have done it so
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quickly say it was a hoax? if they had taken their time they might have found out about a 2009 abduction exactly the same. all the weird details were the same. that cases still open. they may have found out that muller was a cereal kidnapper and they didn't do that. -- serial kidnapper. jon: former marine, harvard-educated apparently taught classes at harvard diana. so what happens now? does the victim of this kidnapping, does she have any claim against police? >> well certainly could file an action against police. obviously they would be protected by some level of immunity but the police here did a terrible job investigating this case they really didn't do much investigating at all. they pretty much discounted her story right from the get-go. it looks like this is a situation where he then went on to victimize someone else because of his mental health issues or whatever. his m-o is in this particular instance. jon: you know if it squawks
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like a duck, walks like a duck, it is usually a duck. that's what police say and this had all the hallmarks of a bogus kidnapping, lis? >> it did but if they had done investigation the 2009 case exactly the same. if they had taken a few more days and not decided on same day it was a hoax they might have found it out. he said he taught at harvard law school. harvard said he didn't teach there. he was research assistant the m-o is wants to bid himself up. why sent two emails to the "san francisco chronicle" saying i did this? he said there were three people in this group. he said there are two other people out there authorities should look for now. jon: not evenly that diana he sent emails immediate after, this is no hoax. this was the real deal. he seemed too want credit for this crime he sy accused pulling off. >> this is guy that wanted to get caught. he was horribly offended by the
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vallejo police department when they called this hoax so quickly. he reached out to the san francisco con kel, wait a second, this is not a hoax. this is real kidnapping, look at me look at me, look at me. this is exactly what happened in the situation. they failed to look at him. got him reconciled up. -- riled up. and he got caught and credit for the first kidnapping as well. jon: they were saying this couple, wasted police resources here. >> they were saying they lied. that is defamation. police are usually immune from lawsuits. so it will be problematic to do that but right now all the couple is asking for is an apology. and the police department will not even do that. that is incredible to me. i'm sure their lawyers are saying don't apologize. it can be used against you in civil case. that is all they're asking for now. jon: hard to believe. one of the stranger cases we've seen here on "happening now." we covered it when it happened and lo and behold turns out apparently to be true. lis while, diana eisman. thank you both.
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jenna: a girl walking away from a plane crash in heavily for rested area of washington state with minor injuries. that is the headline this morning. the 16-year-old said she was in plane crash that killed her step grandparents over the weekend and spent two days wandering the woods before being found. dan springer is live with this. dan? >> reporter: this is no hoax. this sy's amazing story. she survived a plane crash and small fire and made it out the some. treshruss mountain terrain in the whole state of washington. this part of the north cascade mountain range is known as bear country and steep.
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autumn veatch told rescuer she escaped plane, walked down the mountain r taken to a river, followed the river to hiking trail and two days came out at trailhead near a highway she was able to flag down a motorist. she sadly said her grandparents would not make it out of plane and died at the scene. searchers are trying to find them. the three left tallies pell -- kalispell, montana, saturday afternoon and were scheduled to arrive in lipped done urges washington. she was eventually spotted ined himself to think that she was dead. >> i didn't want it to be real. i thought nope, not until anything is confirmed. and, i just didn't feel like she was. >> reporter: autumn spent last night in the hospital. she suffered mine nor burnings dehydration in the breakdown of some of her muscles from battling that steep wilderness. she is expected to be fine. she told her dad watching a bunch of those survivor shows
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helped. people in the remote part of northern washington state have seen survival stories nothing quite like this. after emerging from the forest, she was driven to a store. >> clearly rattled and you know shaken by the experience. and i think physically, the fact she hadn't eaten for two days had a lot to do with it as well. >> reporter: and search crews think they have good idea where the plane is. they will be looking for it today. the missing couple is from montana. jenna? jenna: wow, dann, thank you. jon: now this fox news alert. gop presidential candidate jeb bush is weighing in on the iran nuclear deal calling the agreement, quote, dangerous deeply flawed and shortsighted. he also says that the people of iran, israel and thu.s. deserve better because the deal quote consolidates the grip on power of the violent revolutionary clerics who rule tehran with an iron fist. more on the reactions to this deal announced.
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