the flames. stay with fox for continuing coverage of this breaking news. check us out tomorrow night on "justice" 9:00 p.m. eastern. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching this special edition of the factor terror on the home front. just three weeks ago we did a special called, the growing terror threat. in it, we warned of future homegrown attacks and it didn't take long before it happened. an apparent radical muslim has killed four marines in a terror attack on american soil. so tonight, on this factor special, we will deacon structure what is happening and talk about what we should be doing to keep this country safe. 24-year-old mohammed abdulazeez brought terror to the homeland in a brazen attack on two military

facilities in chattanooga tennessee. as i mentioned, he killed four marines and wounded three others before he was shot dead by authorities thursday. the attack has prompted a federal domestic terror investigation and renewed concerns about america's vulnerabilities to islamic terrorism. abdulazeez used several weapons in the attack. >> he did have at least two long guns which would be considered rifles or shotguns and he did have one handgun that we are aware of. some of the weapons were purchased legally and some of them may not have been. we will examine that. >> jung us now from washington, catherine herridge fnc's chief intelligence correspondent and jennifer griffin, fox news national security correspondent. catherine, let me start with you. give us -- bring us up to the very latest with the investigation. >> well, a couple of big headlines, eric, on the investigation. perhaps first and foremost, federal law enforcement source tells fox news that so far there has been no evidence that's caused them to change their focus on

terrorism, that's significant. they continue to look at this shooting at the highest possible level in terms investigative tools. number two, we were able to confirm that they're looking at the suspect's travel in 2014 to the middle east, including at least one stop in jordan. our government contact would not confirm whether the trip also included a stop in yemen. those locations are important because the two groups that are looking for any kind of link, which has not been established but they are considering isis, which would be in syria and iraq and then also al qaeda in yemen or aqap, eric. >> catherine, is there any reason that anyone has mentioned to you why this suspect wasn't on a terror watch list given his father being on the terror watch list at one point and given his travel? >> that's an excellent question. i have sensed kind of a shift in the last 24 hours. initially we were told that there was no evidence that he was on anyone's radar

that there was any advanced warning. but it was emphasized to us through a government official today that they are still going through the government databases also the watch list just like entering a name into a computer to see if someone pops up. it's a very laborious task. and they had not finished that process they emphasized. but at this point they are not seen anything connecting him. but i would add that international intelligence agencies are being asked to aide in the investigation specifically on the suspect and his travel overseas, eric. >> catherine we noticed that he had a blog blog and i noticed there would be some red flags some things he was posting on his blog? >> yeah. there is a blog -- >> i'm trace gallagher in los angeles. we will get you back to the o'reilly factor in moments. first, there is breaking news out of southern california. you can can see right there on your screen a disaster unfolding in san bernardino

county. those who are just joined us, this is interstate 15 which is the main artery that goes from southern california into nevada on in to las vegas. and right now i-15 is shut down in both directions because of a brush fire that caught cars on fire. we are talking several vehicles. at last check at least a dozen vehicles were on fire as well as two tractor trailers. one of them was a car carrier. you can see directly behind those tractor trailers is a fedex truck and they are hoping the winds don't shift to catch that on fire. if you went forward a little bit, there is another set of cars on fire, including or not including but there is a tank truck that appears to have several types of gas tanks or propane tanks. firefighters are now trying to wet down the cars next to those that are burning to keep them from lighting fires what happened here is the brush fire broke out about two hours ago and in just those two hours it has gone from a few hundred acres to 500 acres and now

we're being told the fire is at 2,000 acres. it has quadrupled in just the past 30 or 45 minutes. and the other thing firefighters are now dealing with is the fact the winds are very high out there. this is cajon pass pushing flames towards homes. mandatory evacuations are in place for four different areas up in the can a john pass in san bernardino county. at first we were told there were no injuries. fire department reports to a local newspaper that, in fact there are multiple burn injuries and they are in the process of trying to get ambulances in this mess to try to get people out to the hospital. if you are stuck in your car, they are telling you not to get out of the car because of the toxic fumes to stay in your car turn the air conditioner on and try and get some kind of a wet towel over your face. i want to go now to collin, because is he actually on scene. he witnessed this whole thing. and collin, give me an idea of what you are seeing right

now and what you saw earlier during this fire. >> headed southbound on the 15. and i exited at 39 a, which is about two miles south of here. and the flames since that time have come up over the ridge, to the north and to the east. and are headed towards some, looks like structures or houses. that are just on the north side of the main ridge at least down into the pass. >> collin, very quickly, i have only got about 15 seconds. tell me, if you can did you see anybody injured in your area or any ambulances coming in at all? >> i didn't see any injuries, but i did see that there were a vehicles and they have actually shifted direction and they have headed south on the outlying road. i'm assuming about to head in to oak hill from the north for structure protection. >> collin, stand by if you would with us. we are going to keep you updated again. we have a disaster unfolding in the san bernardino county

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joining us now from boston is lt. colonel ralph peters, fox news strategic analyst and from washington, lt. colonel tony shaffer senior fellow he at the london centered for policy research. let me start with you colonel peters. bill predicts all hell will break loose if this is traced to isis. do you agree? >> well, i have no doubt that it traced to islamic state. and, eric, this is very straightforward. as long as the islamic state caliphate exist in the middle east as inspiration jihadis, there are going to be more lone wolfs and larger attacks here. we have got to stop playing defense and living in fear. make the terrorists afraid. i got really angry today because i'm listening to all the cable news networks and i hear more of the administration type blather about oh, why have got to counter their ideology, how are you going to do it, dude? i will tell you. we are lying to ourselves about the nature of the problem, still. we are not facing a

political ideology gone wrong. we are facing religious fanaticism. the difference is critical. ideology is caffeine. religious fanaticism is meth. until we go on the offensive, the terror will not end you want to stop terrorism here? obliterate the caliphate and show the would be jihadis that allah doesn't have their backs. >> colonel shaffer colonel peters says it's a meth, it's terrorism on meth. so what do we do? do we go ahead and blanket carpet bomb the caliphate out of existence? that is an option. >> three things. ravel is completely correct. i'm tarred -- tired of this parsing was this terror or not tear. this was terror. i think that sky was trained by them. he used the method of choice. this echoed the charlie hebdo attack. it's a clue. goodness sake do three things. we have oput forth idea and image we are the strong horse. within their culture the

strong horse is the one that everybody wants to follow. in a different met for it's not necessarily meth, it's the strong horse. same difference. we have got to show that we are in this to win it. secondly, we have to go into the region to take out the leadership with complete impunity. isis has been living in safe havens in syriaened a others. we went into syria just once to get abu sigh receive. i did a book about operation dark heart. about fear and darkness putting the fear of god in them. we have to go about working al w. allies in the region. others like moderates. >> guys, stay right here on the home front. on our -- in our backyard. colonel peters, this father, the father of this shooter this time was on the terror watch list. he was taken off the terror watch list, allegedly he was going to make some donation to some pro-terror group. he is he taking off and this guy, this abdulazeez travels

to jordan and possibly yemen, maybe other places. maybe travel within the middle east. and he is not watched? why was he not on a terror watch list and more importantly, maybe we wiretap every single move he makes. >> well, because we are more worried about civil liberties of terrorists than we are about civil defense of the american people. i mean, terrorists don't have rights. get over it. you know, look, we all love lincoln. he suspended habeas corpus. we are in a war and we are pretending we are in a debate. this is not a debating society. islamic state isn't interested in our counter arguments. and, you know, until we unleash law enforcement, and oh, by the way. thank you ed snowden for convinci nra is prying into your life. unless you are willing to turn all the assets of government loose on potential terrorists, you are not going to stop them. and certainly i agree with everything tony said. and i say we should compromise and call it a dark horse on meth.

>> colonel shaffer i cannot tell you how many people are called me and said i'm ticked off. i'm done with this. we have a bunch ofs wouldies running this country it's time to step up and stop these. how do you do that. >> decide hot enemy is we have a radical islamic problem. that's how we must define it as such is. going in to those communities. it tbout if you as a u.s. citizen are affiliated or linked to a terrorist organization, you can be spied on so it's time we accept that as a fact and a matter of law and you start doing it we need to get and it's not about nsa and all this bulk collection. that is distraction. we need to put people like me under cover in the cyber chat rooms putting them in the pipeline of radicalization to map the network. we must have better intelligence. you do it through what we call espionage human intelligence. let the dogs of war unleash and go do our jobs. we're being held back from doing that. >> i like that.

>> we need to get into the cyber sphere that we have not done before we are out there operating one for one going after them message wise. we are just not doing it. >> unleash the dogs of war. colonel peters and colonel shaffer appreciate your service. >> is the obama administration too soft on confronting islamic terrorism. that debate coming up.

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impact segment condition fronting terror. obama administration is famous for refusing to use the term islamic terrorism. >> you know, you have the term islamic terrorism which the president refuses to use, even though there seems to be quite a bit of it. if you look around the world, certainly it's there. if we're going to fight elements that are causing tremendous problems, at least we have to start maybe

being not so politically correct. does president obama's failure to define our enemies make it harder to fight them. joining us from palm springs california former spokesman at the united nations rick grenell and from washington simon rosenburg is ademocratic strategist. isn't the president's political correctness hurting our ability to stop the attacks and thereby causing more american deaths? >> so, first of all i want to say my condolences to the family of the marines and those who were injured and hats off to the courageous officers down in chattanooga. and i will tell you why i don't like the term islamic extremism or however you want to say it is that when you watch a baseball game on tv the announcers don't talk about the baseball players on the field. they talk about them by position. shortstop, second base, center field. i think we have to use most precise language possible to describe our adversaries in order to make sure that we have effective strategies to

defeat them. there is not just one islamic terrorist there are different groups. >> is that an accurate term though simon? are they not terrorists? >> i think both of those adjectives describe what's going on. >> i think we can use more accurate terms. i think we can say isis or it can be an iranian or it can be be an american drone. i think there are far more. >> god forbid iranian terrorists. all iranians are terrorists? you know playing semantic games here. >> giving you a true answer which is we should be using the most precise language possible so we have the best understanding of how to defeat our enemy. >> all right, is the inability of the obama administration to call it what it is making it more difficult for us to define it in thereby fight it? >> of course this isn't baseball. the analogy is ridiculous. come on, we have now moved beyond partisan politics. we -- being look at what's happened happening in israel left and right. all our allies agree obama

is weak. obama is so weak is he putting pressure on those people who are on the front lines trying to protect us because they have incoming targets at a higher ratio than they have ever had. obama's weakness is inviting isis, which now has a country of at least 10 million people. it's no longer a movement. they have a country under obama they have created a country. that country is attacking us. and we are trying to have a debate. colonel peters is right. this is a war not a debate. this is not a baseball game. these are our front line protecters that are taking incoming fire at a higher ratio because isis smells weakness. we have to defeat them there and here. >> this shooter this gunman went from one military installation to another clearly targeting americans and clearly targeting american military. i don't know why we have a. >> islamic radical look at who he is. he is islamic radical.

>> simon you tell us he might not be, go ahead. >> no, i did not say that. what i said i think it's important to distinguish whether he was isis and sunni related or whether he was involved in shia. >> why? >> hate for americans. they want. >> he is a killer. >> there was conflict in northern ireland we didn't describe the two sides fighting there as christian extremists. we described them as protestant and catholic. we used specific terms. we are talking about there is a major element to attack him here. sectarian violence and we need to do a better job as leaders in this country describing to the american people contract isly. >> i don't care whether the killer is playing shortstop or second base. the kill canner is coming in here and trying to get us. >> he didn't come here. the person we are describing in tennessee was an american citizen. who went to high school here. he went to college here. homegrown and i think the point is. >> belief came here from a

different place. >> that is not the american way. we will not embrace that. >> i don't think there is any debate about that i think the point is that i think it's important to understand whether or not he was an iranian agent who was brought in to the united states. versus a homegrown terrorist in order for us to develop strategies. >> hang on, rick. give me one second, rick. >> you are making a ridiculous argument. simon, what is offensive about calling a man who killed four innocent marines on their way to work one day, what's this man prayed at the islamic center of chattanooga. >> i'm not all i said was my preference. i don't think -- i'm not offended by the term. i'm saying my preference would be to use more precise language so we can develop better strategies, your question, i can't getting more precise than islamic terrorist us. >> asked me at the beginning

whether or not the way the president was using language was hurting our ability to actually conduct the war against the terrorists. >> hot topic but i have got to go mr. rosenburg grenell thank you very much. plenty more as the factor moves along this evening. with the shooting in chattanooga comes the dark reminder at what happened in fort hood in 2009. two survivors of that mass murder tell us what went through their minds when they heard about chattanooga. right back with that.

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i'm trace gallagher live in los angeles. back to the o'reilly factor in moments. again, we are covering breaking news out of southern california. you see it right there. this is in the cajon pass in san bernardino county. this is interstate 15 you are looking at. it is a mess out there. shut down in both directions. that is the main artery that goes from las vegas back into southern california. interstate 15 south. what we're told, what happened earlier, this is a live look now. the tractor-trailers are no longer burning because they had these big planes coming by with the fire retardant to put them out. they tried using helicopters dumping buckets of water. it was not working. big artillery and they have now put out most of the fires. the problem now is you have all these burned out abandoned cars. on top of that you have some 75 to 80 other zeex the fire department says were abandoned by people and that they do not know exactly where those people are because they didn't leave

their cars behind. so now on top of getting the burned out cars, you have to get the abandoned cars out of there as well. here is what we're told happened earlier there was a minor accident on the side of the road. the traffic was backed up. a fire truck showed up for the accident and on came this brush fire and it actually jumped the road. it got so close to the highway, the fire department actually told the cars that were stuck in traffic to actually get out of their cars and run what you are seeing now on screen is live pictures on the right. on the left-hand side and on the right-hand side you have pictures from earlier. it gives you an idea of how fast this fire moved. it started out at few hundred acres. it went to 500 acres. now we're told it's at 2,000 acres in just the past 45 or 50 minutes. the winds out there are gusting at 50 miles per hour. it's 90 degrees. and it's got that high shap per relevant brush very high. it's all the mixture for a

very fast moving dangerous brush fire. on top of what you are seeing on your screen, we also have problems with housing. there are four separate housing developments that have now been evacuated. mandatory evacuations. we're told the fire is moving in that direction. can you see live pictures right here in the cajon pass of just how fast that fire is moving and how vast the smoke is all over southern california. we are 80 some odd miles away. can you see it outside here. here's the problem. we don't know yet if there is any severe injuries based chp says no injuries. the fire department says number of burn injuries. they brought multiple ambulances on scene. collin spoke to him earlier. he was there when the fire broke out. collin, if you can can give us an idea when you first came about this fire what was happening and were people being warned to get out of their cars and run? i was. >> heading south on the 15. and i saw the fire coming up over the ridge. i pulled over.

and within a few minutes i say 15 minutes, it was up over the ridge. and now with the winds fanning the flames, i would say it's gone -- advanced north at least half to three quarters of a mile. and it's very, very near many of the houses here in oak hills. >> yeah. and we look at these live pictures and the tape pictures here, collin, it's amazing. on the right-hand side of your screen for the audience you can see the burning big rigs there was fedex behind there they were very concerned about. they have now put out big rigs on the left hand side you are seeing live pictures from fox affiliate kttv here. collin if you are still there, people stuck in traffic. we are told the traffic is backed up some 20 miles now. are people on the scene being uidance on what to do? >> i am actually not south of the fire i'm north of the fire. southbound i-15 closed and redirecting traffic back north along the outlying

roads and there are i would say there sat least a five mile back headed southbound. they are saying they are going to close down about 25 miles south. and so if it's extending that far south that's a significant backup which is significantly worse than it would normally be on a friday. so people headed north to las vegas for the weekend this is making things tough. >> yeah, it's a mess. and just for those who don't know, on the left-hand side side of the screen these are live pictures. look at the people who are stranded now on the side of the road there. again, the firefighters told people to get out of their cars at first and run. but now we're being told for those who are still on scene because of the toxic smoke that's in the air they wanted you to stay inside of your car and leave the airconditioning on to get that mixture of flow through there and put a wet tall on your face you could. they were concerned about that. dozens if not hundreds of people on the side of the road with a vast backup of

traffic. collin, as you look at what you are seeing right now going south around the northbound side of interstate 15, is there -- do you have any guess that they are trying to pull these cars out of there? do you see tow trucks? do you see ambulances? what are you seeing from your vantage point? >> what i initially saw is shutting down the freeway. i don't see any support vehicles headed southbound. what i did see was actually a shift in resources as the rangers and cal fire actually headed northbound to try to attack the fire that was rapidly headed north. i'm assuming that they are trying to get ahead of the fire to head toward the residential area. this is a rural area with ranch style houses. and it hasn't burned in quite some time. and so there is a lot of vegetation that can be used, that can be burned here. >> yeah, and stand by if you would, collin, but you can he see on the left-hand side it's burning very fast. we're now told that five homes confirmed have now burned down.

and auto more homes are in immediate danger of burning. there are evacuation orders that are in place right now. people are being told to go to a local high school. you can see these are live pictures again from our fox affiliate kttv. people streaming down because they have no place to go. this is the middle of nowhere for those who have not been on interstate 15. you are between las vegas and southern california. and these people have nowhere to go except a nearby high school to try to hunker down and find out what they are going to be doing for the rest of the night. this freeway will be shut down for several hours. fox news channel will keep you updated on the breaking news out of southern california. i'm trace gallagher in los angeles. jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it!

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thanks for staying with us, as we continue this special edition of the factor terror on the home front. i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. and in the factor follow up segment, hunting lone wolves, intelligence officials have warned that isis is encouraging its followers to carry out so-called lone wolf attacks in america this summer. we're told that chattanooga shooter, mohammed abdul azeez wasn't on the radar before the attack. with us now bill daily a former fbi investigator and in washington ryan morrow national security analyst for the clarion project.

bill can authorities do anything to stop terrorists from operating on the home front? >> they certainly can and i think they have. the fbi has been very effective if you look at before the fourth of july there were a number of arrests that were conducted throughout the country of people they thought were on the verge of planning an attack or in some way thinking of associating themselves with terrorists. so all of that is good. difficulty, eric is that more and more are going to be increasingly difficult information in radar. see this individual, doesn't appear to have a footprint on terror watch list. doesn't appear to jump off the page to authorities. >> why is that, bill? >> if the father has already been connected to at least maybe donating to a terror group in the past, they put him on a watch list, how come every one of his family members, everyone he calls everyone he emails isn't on some sort of watch? i believe we need to be doing more of merging different technologies together. not merging people traveling overseas against people using social media to

communicate with these groups. patch matching up. investigation with these individuals who may be off spring. >> do we have any shot of stopping domestic terror on the home front lone wolfs or whatever you want to call it? >> you build partners in the muslim community to provide you with the intelligent you need. we need educated public that knows how to identify extremism beyond just obviously picking up a gun and going to shoot someone. but we also have to face the reality, which is that this radical process this radicalization process happens very, very quickly. and that's why you have to defeat this group overseas because isis's success overseas is interpreted by radicals as endorsement from allah that's what draws them to this group. if you want to secure the homeland, you have to start pushing isis back overseas. >> well, okay, fair enough. but you point out that maybe it needs to be -- do we profile? let me just put it out

there. is it time to start profiling? >> can you profile behavior. can you profile ideology. those are things that they can't be prosecuted for. but it's something that needs to be taken into account. if someone is out there saying that hamas is a legitimate group despite their suicide bombs or destroying caliphate that should be taking as indication that that is someone you can watch even if you can't prosecute them for that speech. >> new york city did a fine job in post 9/11. they got in to the communities. they put police officers, they put undercover, they did intel and they got into the areas that may now be considered off limits because of political correctness. should we go back to those aggressive police tactics? >> i think there is more we can be doing certainfully that regard with gathering very localized intelligence information. but more and more, eric, these people are running really below the radar where, in fact, as was just suggested radicalization happens quickly and in a way that may not even mean they are connecting with someone or being ordered by someone overseas.

it could be the fact that they are watching media reading things online and very quickly become motivated to do things. >> you are saying hit them hard over there so it doesn't look like it's the group that all these disgruntled kids or potential terrorists, jihadists they don't want to be part of that group if they are not winning over there? >> yeah, exactly. i think over there is also a key thing is that we really need to find out all those people over there who are tweeting, who are carrying out the select media, you know, advice as to all these people want to be followers. we need to be able to cut them them in the very beginnings overseas before they start influencing people here. >> ryan, let me ask you, the timing of this attack, very end of ramadan ask it have any effect on chattanooga? >> well, we don't know for complete fact but it's very likely you. so and that's because what isis was at saying was during the holy month of ramadan your obligation to engage in jihad is 10 times greater. if you die in the process of engaging in jihad your reward in paradise is 10 times greater. if you are a supporter of

isis, you are going to want to die in jihad before ramadan is over. >> he zeal to leave it right there, gentlemen, thank you very much. quick housekeeping. don't forget to check out bill and dennis miller's don't be a pinhead show coming up this fall. st. louis october 23rd, chicago, october 24th. charlotte, november 6th. south florida at the hard rock november 7th. phoenix december 4th and caesar's palace in las vegas on saturday, december 5th. tickets are going fast. details on bill o'reilly cot come. straight ahead here, does america have a growing islamic extremism problem. two muslim americans will be here with upcoming answers.

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problem segment tonight growing concern in the united states over islamic terror. a new pew poll suggest that 53% of measures have deep concern when it comes to islamic extremism that's up from 32% in 2011. the poll also reveals that 70% of americans are worried about isis. joining us now from irvine california for reaction american muslims voir dire and from cleveland jasser. let moose meet start with dr. jasser. 70% of americans concerned about isis, should they be? >> absolutely. i mean, what in god's name is it going to take for us to develop a strategy that identifies islamism as the problem? if we're going to engage muslims and they need to reform to identify it as long as we identify violent extremism simply as the symptom, we are never going to it empower muslims to do the reform. that fear from america is because our commander and chief doesn't identify the problem. we are dealing with a violent extremism.

because we don't identify it it, americans are fearful. we need to channel that fear into a plan for a political movement against global, political islam which inspires the abdulazeezs and hasan. americans get it they want to move forward from that. >> 70% of americans are concerned. should would he be? >> well, the same poll says that muslim majority countries, particularly the ones in the arab world have significantly higher percentages of concern. also about isis. than the american responses just above 50%. of course we should be. we are living in a time in which sickness and criminality associated with all kinds of ideologies, be it the ideologies behind american white supremist racism or ideology that are sourced in islam. and muslim understandings of islam. >> our job as americans. >> i want to stay on this specific chattanooga shooting. it seems to me that groups like cair and other islamic

groups will come and they will clean up the mess after the blood is already spilled rather than coming forward and saying, you know what, guys we're moderate muslims. we are worried about muslims. we are worried about the extremists. let's call them out. here is a group. keep your eye on them. why is it always in the after math of blood shed instead of in front of it? >> i have never defended care. i think that is unfair. the vast majority of institutions in muslim america including care are very proactive in working with muslims around the country to condemn, to educate, to enhance the literacy of young people in being able to push back against these terrorist ideaologies. i think lumping the american muslim community with this reality leaves us absent our greatest tool to confront it which is an authentic american contribution sourced in a muslim identity. >> am i wrong here?

am i being unfair? >> absolutely not. listen to this apologetics. when care put out a press release they said it was about american citizens being attacked. they didn't mention these were marines and the reason they don't is the bottom line is the sense that america is not a force for good negativism towards military and this country and a sense that demonizes america and that creates the pathway of radicalization. >> i agree with what you are saying. i think you are so out of touch that you are not understanding that actually is not the american reality. what you are saying is true. >> i'm out of touch? america is seeing our community completely an esthuicized as soldiers with being killed. there is no strategy to -- this guy was writing on facebook on his blog about the negativity of

america. >> were you at the white house countering violence extremism? were in the meeting with joe biden? >> were you in the navy? this president does not identify the problem. >> what you are doing helps terrorists and does not help america and does not help americans. >> your denial enables an obstacle against reform. >> i have a phd in islamic reform. >> you are actually the problem. >> we are going to leave it there. i just brought it up i would like to see you be refreshing for americans to see these groups muslim groups stepping up in front of the blood shed. >> go to their website. >> i promise you i will. thank you very much. up next how are terrorist attacks overseas effecting

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in the back of the book segment the impact of terrorism overseas on america. in egypt hundreds have died in clashes between isis and the military. in tunisia 39 people most tourists were gunned down in an isis-inspired attack. in kuwait on june 26 sunni radicals stage a suicide bombing killing more than two dozen. that's just a few of the recent attacks around the world. with us from boise, idaho, mike baker, former cia officer and from washington a national security expert at the heritage foundation. let me start with mike. do successful terror attacks overseas create more danger here on u.s. soil? and if they do why? >> well they do. whether it's a large scale attack like the tunesian resort

attack or just a lone gunman and one or two victims or whether it is the taking of another city or town by isis in syria and iraq it all adds to this cumulative perception of the success and growth of the caliphate that the muslim extremists have been jonesing for for generations. every time there is one of these it emboldens and boosts morale of fighters on the ground for isis and importantly it lifts up sort of the individuals who they are looking for easily influence, unemployed all individuals they are looking to turn to their side. every attack adds to the mystique of the islamic state. >> they are like rock stars around the world. there are women who are traveling to go become wives and

girlfriends of isis fighters. has the whole world gone crazy? >> the world hasn't gone crazy. this is not crazy behavior to these people. every day that isis stands its ground in iraq and syria makes them more powerful even when they get blown away like in garland, texas. to a lot of these folks that is a victory. someone struck a blow for islam. these guys have to be crushed. that's the only way to eliminate the motivation of these terrorists all over the world, these want to bees these one-on-one guys. you have to crush isis and this administration is not willing to do it. >> even if we are pushing back in certain cities which the obama administration claims we are. shouldn't we be showing the world, putting it up on video and youtube saying these are your rock star heroes. here they are dead. we just took that city back. >> if we were at the point to

have videos like that i would be happy to show it. we need to make the message plain that this is not a winning theology or ideology. it has to be really old testament kind of destruction. we're not willing to do that. >> we have an administration that is afraid to call islamic extremists islamic extremists. how will they be willing to show a battlefield victory in bloody violent black, white and red? >> we still have a hard time. we are the only ones here in the u.s. angst ridden over what to call it. it is muslim extremism. the primary reason why we have seen this surge whether here or ottawa paris, wherever it may be is because of this physical manifestation of the caliphate. we have to attack it on multiple fronts. we have to go after the social media efforts they engage in.

we have to worry more about the communities and how do we get them to self resort more. but the primary issue here is if we have this continuing stalemate strategy where we are hoping for some happy day when the iraqi military will be able to do this on their own then we are having sad tragging conversations about more deadly incidents. we have to remove that state. we have to take away their turf. >> you can find videos of what it is like to live among these isis fighters. and it ain't pretty and it ain't beautiful. the women that are there wish they weren't there anymore. i don't understand why we don't make a more concerted effort to get that front and center to the american people so that they don't aspire to be like them. i have to leave it right there. i say thank you to mike and steve. and that will do it for this special edition of "the factor."

"the kelly file" is next. i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. the spin stops here because we're looking out for you. and breaking tonight u.s. marines murdered at home and a nation on edge as we are learning new details in the terror investigation into a muslim american. tonight we take a closer look at a growing and determined enemy that is attacking america from within. welcome to "the kelly file" special. i'm jenna lee. right now the country is on alert after a 24 year old fatally attacked soldiers marines and police in chattanooga, tennessee. we dig deep into the background of mohammad youssuf abdulazeez a kuwaity borne u.s. citizen. he was