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before the shootings. also the victim's families starting to speak out. the father of marine lance corporal skip wells says his son was exactly where he wanted to be. >> he volunteered for this duty. and it was something that -- like i said he's always wanted to do and help out. >> he's more protective over his family. just like i am. he felt the service to his country was important. >> john roberts is live from chattanooga, tennessee. john. >> even though it's 8:00 on a sunday night, people from across tennessee, neighboring georgia and alabama coming here to the strip mall where the recruiting center was to pay their respects. we're hearing now for the first time from the family of the shooter, mohammad abdulazeez. and messages to the families of the five slain victims. saying in part the person who committed this crime was not the son we knew and loved.

to give us some idea of his state of mind saying quote, for many years, our son suffered from depression. it yvesgrieves us beyond believe to know his pain found its expression in this heinous act of violence. they've got agents in jordan who are trying to trace abdulazeez's movements and contacts there during a lengthy visit he made to jordan in 2014. they wanted to know did he meet with anybody who was a radical islamist did he meet with any overt terrorist group. the fbi also investigating a text message he sent to a friend on wednesday, the day before the shooting that linked to an islamic verse that said in part quote, whosoever shows enmity to a friend of mine then i've declared war on him. the man who received that text said it was encouragement for a job dilemma he was having but the fbi obviously leaving no stone unturned in this investigation. >> one of the advantages of these beautiful long summer nights is that people are still behind you, they still have

daylight. they've been out there for hours at that memorial that is really starting to take shape. >> earlier this evening, a procession of about 100 motorcycles came in almost like a mini rolling thunder ride to show their respects. let's give you a quick look at this memorial. it started off right here in this. now stretches 200 feet. people write things like land of the free because of the brave, over here thank you for your service, praying for everyone. when we arrive edd sort of impromptu church service was going on in front of the strip mall. the man who was addressing the crowd, who calls himself a self-professed hillbilly preacher was taking aim at the administration saying they're not doing enough to show respect for the dead let alone do something to try to remedy the situation. let's listen. >> why the flag on half-staff?

why the white house not lit up red, white and blue? why aren't we doing something? >> clearly, a lot of emotion around this. we should point out the fbi has now wrapped up its investigation here at the recruiting center at the strip mall to be opening this back up. of course the people would owned the businesses here hoping chattanooga will share their support in coming in and doing business with them once this opens up. the fbi told me they'll likely be at the other scene where the four people were killed and the petty officer shot. probably they'll be there for the next few days if not the next week. >> the man you showed there, one of the things he wanted to know is will the white house fly a flag at half-staff. we have put in some calls. john roberts, thank you very much. or when might the white house do that. more on the men we lost including navy petty officer randal smith who survived the initial attacks but he's now died from his injuries. the families remembering all five of them as brave and selfless men who were called to serve.

let's go to national security correspondent jane griffin in washington. >> when navy petty officer randal smith came out of surgery, he gave his wife angie, the mother of his three daughters, a thumb's up. he succumbed to his injured, leaving behind three girls under the age of 7. an avid astros fan, smith was recruited to play baseball at ohio's defiance college, but an injury ended his career prematurely. in the last two weeks, the 24-year-old sailor reenlisted in the navy. he spent three years on the "wasp" a storied amphibious assault ship that made navy history when the warplane landed on its deck for the first time. he became the fifth victim in the chattanooga shooting attack along with four marines. more marines were killed in chattanooga this week than in all of afghanistan this year. lance corporate squareire wells was the youngest. he loved civil war re-enactments. he was texting his girlfriend

who was planning to visit him when the shooting occurred. she has vowed to become a marine to honor his memory. one of his last texts, quote, can't wait anymore, wells texted. yes, you can, honey, his girlfriend replied. they then wrote, active shooter. his father was asked what drove him to serve. >> tradition. >> tradition. with everything going on he wanted to help out. and being in the marine corps is where he thought he could do the most good. >> sergeant carson holmquist was 25 years old and deployed to afghanistan twice. he was married and had a 2-year-old son. he played defensive back on his high school football team. gunny sullivan was in the marines for 18 years and was about to retire. he survived truck bombs in one of the iraqi worst assaults the battle of abu ghraib. he received purple hearts.

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>> in the in the unresolved problems segment, america the vulnerable. terrorism analysts warned for years th terrorism analysts have warned for years the united states is susceptible to attacks on so-called soft targets and isis is trying to inspire such attacks and that led owe riley'reilly to say this. >> even isis is involved all hell is going to break loose in this country. for months savages have been a aencouraging people to attack americans. the obama administration's response to the growing menace of isis has been long term not an urgent campaign. i firmly believe president obama's making a major mistake

in the tentative nature of his response to isis. >> joining u inging us fox news strategic analysis. and the senior fellow at the london policy research center. warning all hell will break loose if this is traced to isis. do you agree? >> i have no doubt it is traced to islamic state. as long as it exists there are going to be more lone wolves and larger attacks here. we have to make the terrorists afraid. i got really angry today. i'm listening to all the cable news networks. the administration-type blather about, oh we have to counter their ideology. how you going to do it dude? we're lying to ourselves about

the nature of the problem. the difference is look ideology that's caffeine. religious fanaticism is meth. until we go on the offensive, the tarter erterror will not end. owe liberate the calla fif and show the would be jihadis. >> he says it's terrorism on meth. who do we do do we carpet bomb the caliphate out of existence? that is an option. >> well three things. ralph is completely correct. i'm tired of this parsing, was it terror, not terror? this was terror. i don't care if isis was involved or not. i think he was trained by them. this mimics in many ways the char attack. for goodness sakes, we have to do three things.

we have to put forth the idea and image that we're the strong horse. in a different metaphor it's not necessarily meth it's the strong horse. we've got to show we're in this to win it. secondly we have to go into the region to take out the leadership. with complete impunity. isis has been living in safe havens in syria and others. we went into syria just once to get abu sayyaf. i did a book called "operation dark heart." about putting the fear of god in them. and then also we have to go about doing what we can to work with our allies in the region. there are others who are moderate. >> colonel peters this father the father of this shooter this time was on the terror watch list. he was taken often the terror watch list. allegedly he was going to make some donation to some pro terror group.

he's taken off. this guy, this abdulazeez travels to jordan and possibly yemen, maybe other places. maybe traveled within the middle east. and he's not watched? why was he not on a terror watch list? maybe we wiretap every single move he makes. >> well because we're more worried about civil liberties of terrorists than we are about civil defense of the american people. i mean terrorisms don't have rights. get over it. we are in a war. we're pretending we're in a debate. this is not a debating society. by the way, thank you ed snowden. unless you're willing to turn all the assets of government loose on potential terrorists you are not going to stop them.

>> i can't tell you how many people have said i am ticked off, i'm done with this. we have a bunch of these running this country. >> first, you've got to decide who the enemy is. we had a radical islamic problem. that's why we must define it as such. and to move forward with a clear purpose of going into those communities. there's something called triple three. it talks about if you as a u.s. citizen are affiliated or linked to a terror organization you can be spied on. we need to get -- it's not about nsa and all this bulk collection. that is a distraction. we need to put people like me undercover now cyber chat rooms, so we can map the network. that's the other thing we must do. we must have better intelligence. do it through what we call espionage, human intelligence. let the dogs of war unleash and

go do our jobs. we're being held back from doing that. >> i like that. >> we need to get into the cyber sphere that we've not done before where we're operating one for one, going after them, messagewise. >> unleash the dogs of war. colonel, thank you very much fellas. next on "the rundown" is the obama administration too soft on confronting islamic terrorism? that debate coming up. here at td ameritrade, they love innovating. and apparently, they also love stickers. what's up with these things, victor? we decided to give ourselves stickers for each feature we release.

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if we're going to fight elements causing tremendous problems at least we have to start maybe being not so politically correct. >> does president obama's failure to define our enemies make it harder to fight them? joining us now from palm springs, california former u.s. spokesman at the united nations, rick grownle. and from washington, simon ross beburg a democratic strategist. isn't the president's political correctness hurting our ability to stop the attacks and causing more american deaths? >> first weighi want to say my condolences to the families of those who were injured and hats off to the courageous officers down in chattanooga. i'll tell you what i don't like the term islamic extremism or however you want to say it. when you watch a baseball team on tv the announcers don't talk about the baseball players on the field. they talk about them by position. shortstop, second base. i think we need to use the most

precise language possible to describe our adversaries to make sure we have effective strategies to defeat them. >> is that an accurate term? are they not islamic? are they not terrorists? i think both of those adjectives describe what's going on -- >> no, think we can use more accurate terps. i think we can say isis or it can be an iranian or it can be american grown. i think there are far more -- >> god forbid you say iranian terrorists. you know you're playing little semantic games. >> i'm giving you a true answer which is i think we should use the most precise language possible so we have the best understanding of how to defeat our enemy. >> is the inability of the administration to call it what it is making it more difficult to fight it? >> of course this isn't baseball. the analogy is ridiculous. come on we have now moved beyond partisan politics. you look at what's happening in israel the left and the right,

all of our arab allies all agree that obama is weak. what's happening right now is obama is so weak he's putting pressure on those people who are on the front lines trying to protect us because they have incoming targets at a higher ratio than they've ever had. obama's weakness is inviting isis which now has a country of at least 10 million people. it's no longer a movement. they have a country. under obama, they've created a country. that country is attacking us. and we are trying to have a debate. colonel peters is right. this is a war, not a debate. this is not a baseball game. these are front-line protectors that are taking incoming fire at a higher ratio, because isis smells weakness. we have to defeat them there and hear. >> this shooter, this gunman went from one military installation to another. clearly targeting americans and clearly targeting american military. i don't know why we have -- >> and he's an islamic radical.

look at who he is. he's an islamic radical. >> but simon, you're going to tell us he might not be. go ahead. >> i didn't say that. i think it's important to distinguish whether he was isis and sunni related or whether -- >> why? >> because these are americans -- >> -- he's a killer -- >> they want to kill us -- >> when there was conflict in northern ireland, we didn't describe the two sides fighting there as christian ex-stem stremtremeistextremists. >> some people did actually. >> no we used specific terms -- >> it's not a term issue, simon. >> -- sectarian violence and we need to do a better job describing to the american people -- >> no i don't care if a killer is playing shortstop or first base -- >> can i ask you this -- simon -- >> he didn't come here he was actually an american -- >> oh no he -- >> no he was an american citizen who went to high school here who went to college here.

>> he does not represent the american way. his belief came here from a different place. that is not the american way and we will not embrace that. >> i don't think there's any debate about that. i think the point is i think it's important to understand whether or not he was an iranian agent who was brought in to the united states versus a homegrown terrorist. in order for us to develop strategies -- >> simon -- >> give me one second -- >> you're making a ridiculous argument. simon, what is offensive about calling a man who killed four innocent marines, what's -- >> i'm not -- >> -- they call themselves islamic. this man prayed at the islamic center of chattanooga. >> i'm not -- all i said was my preference -- and i don't think -- i'm not offended by the term. i'm saying my preference would be to use precise language so we

can develop better strategies. you asked me at the beginning whether or not the way the president was using language was hurting our ability to actually conduct the war against the terrorists -- >> i need to go guys. it's a hot topic but i got to go. thank you very much. plenty more as "the factor" moves along. with the shooting in chattanooga comes the dark reminder of what happened at ft. hood in 2009. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts. so when you're ready start with us. doing the right thing has never been easier. legalzoom. legal help is here.

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live from america's news headquarters i'm kelly wright. ash carter is in israel tonight. he'll meet with netanyahu tuesday. says he doesn't expect to persuade leaders to drop their opposition to the iran nuclear deal but he says he'll emphasize the agreement sets no limits on what the u.s. can do to ensure israeli security as the security of our arab allies. meantime long lines like these are expected when greek banks reopen in just a few hours after being closed for three weeks. greeks with limited to a total weekly withdraw of 420 euros from their accounts. meantime german chancellor angela merkel is calling for quick action on a bailout deal for greece. i'm kelly wright. now back to an "o'reilly factor"

special. in the personal story segment tonight on this special, the chattanooga shooting did it reopen old wounds for victims of the 2009 ft. hood attack? joining us retired staff sergeant alonzo lonsard and on the phone retired staff sergeant manning. both men shot multiple times when nadal has san killed 13 people and injured 30 others. what went through your mind when you heard about chattanooga? >> it was, oh not again, you know complete anger. and i was wondering when are we going to learn from lessons from before so we can stop this from happening again. >> so let me go to sergeant manning. what have we learned? what have we learned in six

years? >> i'm not sure if we have learned anything. the white house and the army still hasn't come out and said thatt. hood shooting was a terrorist attack. they still dance around the issue to this day. which i think hinders us in our ability to combat this. we're not able to recognize it. we're not able to acknowledge it even exists. how are we going to prevent this? the fbi knows it can't stop every plot. i think this is going to continue to happen until they do that. >> tell us about that day in 2009. what were your feelings then? what happened? take us through it. >> in 2009 i was sitting in the srp building in the medical center. i was getting ready to to medical process. i heard someone yell allah akbar and i saw him shooting his weapon and was hit in the chest, went to the ground and then

hassanhass n shot me another five times before i was able to get to safety. >> did you look for your firearm? tell us about that. >> well instance tanstaneously, that's just instinct to reach for our firearm, which we didn't have. i think to arm all personnel at the military facility they're working on. especially when they're in a duty uniform. so at least we'll be able to fight back against a threat that's presented before us. >> sergeant manning, did you look for your firearm? >> absolutely it ran through my head so many times. after the shooting, you know if only we'd had a weapon or some way to defend ourselves other than chairs and trying to take down shooter which, you know, people lost their lives in doing so. maybe that wouldn't have happened. i mean i'm sure people still

would have been shot but the casualties wouldn't have been quite so bad i think if a few people were armed. and makes no sense to not trust soldiers with their weapons in garrison when you have to trust them overseas. if we can't trust a soldier with his weapon he shouldn't be in the military. >> sergeant manning, how many people may have been saved had you had a firearm and if sergeant lunsford had his firearm with him at the time? >> i mean i would say at least half. hasan, whether you're able to shoot him right away or -- he would have been engaged in a firefight with one of us rather than easily targeting people in that building who had no way of defending themselves. >> what about you, what do you want to say to people who suggest maybe we should keep military installations gun-free zones? >> i think they need to get their head out. because that day, with firearms on us we would have had him in

cross fire. so his attention would have been directed towards us instead of towards the other victims who had sustained gunshot wounds that day or were killed. and i think that those individuals that don't believe that we need to have service weapons on us in garrison they need to understand we're in theater, everyone has a weapon on them. they also have to understand if you go back in history, recruiting station, doing world war ii and vietnam, recruiters had firearms on their person. so not just in a recruiting station but all military installations or federal government buildings. you can't rely on people on guard at the front door. everyone needs to have a firearm on their person to protect themselves and protect what we hold so dear our standard of living and our constitution. >> do you agree that military personnel are new targets, are new islamic terrorist targets? so another reason for you to be carrying your firearm? >> well absolutely. if you look at years ago, a

couple years ago, when they killed a british soldier in england and when the gentleman -- the guy was standing with his hands bloody. he said to the united states that beware your women and children are next. the united states is the next target. so we were already told ahead of time this was going to happen. so yes, it's already been proven that the extremists have already said that all military personnel, be it if you're retired or active duty we're targets. we need to be able to protect ourselves. >> gentlemen, thank you. next lone wolf attackings. what can be done to stop them? attacks. what can be done

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thanks for staying with thanks for staying with us as we continue this special edition of "the factor," terror on the home front. in the factor follow-up segment, hunting lone wolves. intelligence officials have warned that isis is enkournging its followers to carry out so-called lone wolf attacks in america this summer. we're told the chattanooga shooter, mohammad abdulazeez, wasn't on the fed's radar before the attack. with us bill daley, a former fbi investigator.

in washington ryan moro national security analyst for the clarion project. bill can authorities do anything to stop terrorists from operating on the home front? >> they certainly can and i think they have. the fbi has been very effective. there were a number of arrests that were conducted throughout the country of people they thought were on the verge of planning an attack or were in some way thinking of associating themselves with a terrorist. difficulty is more and more they are increasingly difficult to get ahold of information when these people run below the radar. we see this person doesn't appear to have a footprint on the terror watch list. >> why is that? if the father's already been connected to at least maybe donating to a terror group in the past they put him on a watch list, how come everyone of his family members, everyone he calls, everyone he e-mails, isn't on some sort of watch? >> i believe we need to do more of merging different

technologies together. we're not merging people who travel overseas against people who use social media to communicate with these groups. we're not matching up people like you're suggesting who have relatives associated with maybe an investigation with these individuals who maybe, you know, offspring of them. >> are we kidding ourselves? do we have any shot at stopping domestic terror lone wolves whatever you call them? >> you can increase your chances of intercepting it by building partners within the muslim community to provide intelligence you need. we need an educated public that knows how to identify extremism beyond just obviously picking up a gun and going to shoot someone. but we also have to face the reality which is this radical process, this radicalization process, happens very very quickly. and that's all you have to defeat this group overseas. because isis' success overseas is interpreted by radicals as an endorsement from allah and that's what draws them to the group. if you want to security the homeland you have to push isis back overseas. >> fair enough. you point out maybe it needs to

be -- do we profile? is it time to start profiling? >> you can profile behavior. you can profile ideology. those are things they can't be prosecuted for. but it's something that needs to be taken into account. if someone's out there saying hamas is a legitimate group despite their suicide bombings or the caliphate and destroying israel is a wonderful thing, that's someone you should watch, even if you can't prosecute them for that speech. >> new york city did a fine job in post-9/11. they got into the communities. they put police officers. then put undercover. they did intel. they got into the areas that may now be considered off limits because of political correctness. should we go back to that aggressive police tactics? >> i think there's more we can do certainly in that regard, with gathering localized intelligence information. more and more, these people are running really below the radar. as was just suggested, radicalization happens quickly. it happens in a way that may not

even mean they're connecting with someone or being ordered by someone overseas. it could be the fact they're watching media. they're reading things online and quickly become motivated. >> you're saying hit it hard over there so it doesn't look like the group all these disgruntled kids or potential terrorists they don't want to be part of that group if they're not winning over there? >> exactly. i think over there is also a key thing. is that we really need to find out all those people over there who are tweeting who are carrying out the slick media, you know advices to all these people want to be followers, we want to cut down them in the very beginning overseas before they start influencing people here. >> let me ask, the timing of this attack very end of ramadan. does it -- did it have any effect in chattanooga? >> well we don't know for a complete fact but it's very likely so. that's because what isis was saying is during the holy month of ramadan, your obligation to engage in jihad is ten times greater. if you die in the process of

engaging in jihad you reward in paradise is ten times greater. so if you're a supporter of isis you're going to want to die in that jihad before ramadan is over. >> all right, we'll have to leave it right there. thank you very much. some quick housekeeping. don't forget to check out bill and dennis miller's don't be a pinhead shows coming up this fall. in st. louis october 23 chicago october 24 charlotte november 6, south florida, november 7. phoenix, december 4. caesars palace in las vegas on saturday december 5. tickets are going fast. details on bill o'reilly.com. straight ahead here does america have a growing islamic extremism problem? two muslim-americans will be here with upcoming answers. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla apremilast. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla saw

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in the second unresolved in the second unresolved problem segment, growing concern in the united states over islamic terror. a new pew poll suggested 53% of americans have a deep concern when it comes to islamic extremism. that's up from 32% in 2011. joining us now from irvine california for reaction the author of the book "american muslims." from cleveland, the awe are though of the book "a battle for the soul of islam." starting with dr. jasser. 70% of americans concerned about isis. should they be? >> absolutely. what in god's name is it going to take to develop a strategy that identifies islamism as a problem. if we're going to engage muslims, they need to reform to identify it. as long as we identify violent extremism simply as the symptom, we're never going to empower muslims to do the reform.

our commander in chief doesn't identify the problem. we're dealing with a symptom of violent extremism. americans are fearful. we need to channel that fear into a plan for a political movement against global political islam which inspires the abdulazeezes and others. americanswant to move forward from that. >> 70% of americans are concerned. should we be? >> well, the seamame poll says that muslim majority countries have higher percentages of concern also about isis than the american response is. of course we should be. we are living at a time in which sickness and criminality associated with all kinds of ideology be it the ideology behind american white supremist racism or muslim understandings. >> i want to stay on this

specifically chattanooga shooting. it seems to me that groups like care and other islamic groups will come and they'll clean up the mess after the blood is spilled, rather than coming forward and saying you know what guys we're moderate muslims, we're worried about the extremists let's call them out. here's a group, keep your eye on them. why is it always in the aftermath of bloodshed instead of in front of it? >> i think that's unfair. i'm not here to defend care. i've never

unfair? >> absolutely not. apologetics. enough already. when care even put out a press release this morning, they said it was about a sense that america is not a force for good is a neglectism toward our country? >> i agree with that. i agree with what you're saying. i think you're so out of touch that you're not understanding that that is actually the american reality. >> wait a minute. i'm out of touch? america is seeing our community completely anesthetized while our citizens and soldiers are being completely -- >> how are they and ez--

anesthetized -- >> were you in the navy 11 years? >> were you in the meeting -- no you were not. what you're doing helps terrorists and does not help america. >> your denial enables an obstacle against reform. you won't even say the word reform. >> i have a ph.d in islamic reform. you know nothing of what you speak. >> listen i just brought it up. i thought it would be refreshing for americans to see these groups these muslim groups stepping up in front of the bloodshed instead of after. >> go to their web site. >> i promise you i will,

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in the back of the book segment the impact of terrorism overseas on america. in egypt hundreds have died in clashes between isis and the military. in tunisia on june 26 39 people most tourists were gunned down in an isis-inspired attack. in kuwait on june 26 sunni radicals stage a suicide bombing at a shiite mosque kimg more than two dozen. that's just a few of the recent attacks around the world. with us from boise, idaho, mike baker, former cia officer and security expert at the heritage foundation. let me start with mike. do successful terror attacks overseas create more danger here on u.s. soil? and if they do, why? >> well, they do. whether it's a large scale

attack like the tunesian resort attack or just a lone gunman and one or two victims or whether it is the taking of another city or town by isis in syria and iraq it all adds to this cumulative perception of the success and growth of the caliphate that the muslim extremists have been jonesing for for generations. every time there is one of these it emboldens and boosts morale of fighters on the ground for isis and importantly it lifts up sort of the individuals who they are looking for easily influenced, unemployed, all individuals they are looking to turn to their side. every attack adds to the mystique of the islamic state. >> they are like rock stars around the world. there are women who are

traveling to go become wives and girlfriends of isis fighters. has the whole world gone crazy? >> the world hasn't gone crazy. this is not crazy behavior to these people. every day that isis stands its ground in iraq and syria makes them more powerful even when they get blown away like in garland, texas. to a lot of these folks that is a victory. someone struck a blow for islam. these guys have to be crushed. that's the only way to eliminate the motivation of these terrorists all over the world, these wanna-bes, these one-on-one guys. you have to crush isis and this administration is not willing to do it. >> even if we are pushing back in certain cities which the obama administration claims we are. shouldn't we be showing the world, putting it up on video and youtube saying these are your rock star heroes. here they are dead. we just took that city back. >> if we were at the point to

have videos like that i would be happy to show it. we need to make the message plain that this is not a winning theology or ideology. it has to be really old testament kind of destruction. we're not willing to do that. >> we have an administration that is afraid to call islamic extremists islamic extremists. how will they be willing to show a battlefield victory in bloody violent black, white and red? >> we still have a hard time. we are the only ones here in the u.s. angst ridden over what to call it. it is muslim extremism. steve naks a very important point. the primary reason why we have seen this surge whether here or ottawa, paris, wherever it may be is because of this physical manifestation of the caliphate. their territory. we have to attack it on multiple fronts. we have to go after the social

media efforts they engage in. we have to worry more about the communities and how do we get them to self-report more. but the primary issue here is if we have this continuing stalemate strategy where we are hoping for some happy day when the iraqi military will be able to do this on their own then we we will having these sad, tragic conversations for more deadly incidents for a long time to come. we have to remove that state. we have to take away their turf. >> you can find videos of what it is like to live among these isis fighters. and it ain't pretty and it ain't beautiful. the women that are there wish they weren't there anymore. i don't understand why we don't make a more concerted effort to get that front and center to the american people so that they don't aspire to be like them. i have to leave it right there. i say thank you to mike and steve. and that will do it for this special edition of "the factor."

"the kelly file" is next. i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here because we're looking out for you. welcome to "hannity" the drug kingpin joaquin el chapo guzman is on the run after escape from a mexican prison. geraldo hivara went all the way to mexico to. >> this was, i think the most extraordinary escape from a maximum security prison this century at least. it was an act of engineering marvel. it was something that took well over a year of construction