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move 2,000 tons of dirt. it was a project that included the most extraordinary tunnel escape tunnel i have certainly ever seen. it is -- far surpasses, sean the smugglers' tunnel we see in gaza for example or along the u.s. southern border. behind me is the escape house. that's the house with the tunnel exitted exitted. that's where he made his escape. follow me to see how extraordinary that tunnel is. it runs under this field, through that person's house, under a railroad track three stories down until you get to the prison that you see off in the distance. that is a distance of 1.5 kilometers. you see the three federal officers walking the road right now. 1.5 kilometers or one mile. sean this is amazing. and to think that nobody in

authority was aware of this is something that smells fishy. it is an extraordinarily difficult thing to believe that in this dysfunctional and highly corrupt nation -- i love the mexican people. but this government and -- previous governments have been very corrupt. there is a malignancy to the corruption here. there is a feeling, even among high ranking authorities, i'd like you to hear this before i take you inside the tunnel. listen to what an opposition senator said about who he thinks is responsible, or at least knowledgeable, maybe even complicit in the great escape. listen. >> translator: a lot of people are saying that the government probably had some participation in the escape. what do you say?

>> translator: i think the participation andfrom authorities is undeniable. independent of the technology the engineering work the resources involved in the construction of a tunnel of this nature it could not have been done without support of the authorities. >> how high? >> translator: i think it ranges from authorities inside the prison and the surveillance of the perimeter outside to intelligence agencies of the mexican state. and evidently, the heads of these organizations. >> so incredibly the opposition believes the government or high ranking officials at the very minimum were involved in some way in el chapo's great escape. what is ironic is it's the little people, the prison guards and the other prison official whose are really being put through the wringer by interrogators. they have been held since saturday night in communicado

behind the walls of the big house. that has led their families to stage a protest outside the prison. here are the families. >> translator: we are here because of our relatives of which we know nothing about since saturday. others since sunday. they have not let us see them. we haven't been able to go in nor the lawyers. today marks the 72 hours that according to law they have to keep them detained without us see them or letting their attorneys be with them. >> so an escape plot that required thousands of man hours, millions of dollars, took well over a year to construct. it had to take over a year to construct according to experts, as led to what? it has led to el chapo on the lamb and then without any real clues. let me take you now inside if i may, sean inside the tunnel. it has to be seen to be

believed. you go inside that place, that build building was built for the specific purpose of digging that tunnel. you go into the tunnel there is a waiting room that has two big shaft entrances. one for ventilation, the other for the people the workers to go down. you go down to an intermediate level. in that intermediate level, there's a massive generator that was used to provide air conditioning and lighting for the tunnel as it was being dug and for el chapo as he made his way out. then from that intermediate level and the big generator and a power wench as well. you go down three stories to the actual tunnel too the mile long tunnel which has to really be seen to be believed. rails were laid in that tunnel. on those rails, are three small carts. two of them to carry the sand

that was being excavated. the other cart was a motorcycle rigged to provide power. so as they dug, they filled those small rail cars with the dirt as they drove the motorcycle back. buckets were then used to take the dirt. wheelbarrow by wheelbarrow out of there. 2,000 tons. when you see the tunnel how it was reinforced. how it could hold a railroad passing over it then to think, sean that that tunnel not only went into the appropriate location in the maximum security prison but came up not merely in el chapo's room but precisely in the one location two foot by two foot that was his toilet area and shower where they gave him just that a little bit of privacy as they do all prisoners, even the maximum security prisoners. that one area not covered by the surveillance video camera.

that's why now in this now notorious video you see el chapo going to the bathroom kind of disappeared behind a half wall and that's t.it. he's down the stairs three stories, on to the motorcycle whisked a mile through that extraordinary tunnel. he comes up behind me at that house. there are various accounts on how he got away from here. but rest assured, he's no longer in the neighborhood. >> geraldo, it's so reminiscent of when i was in israel and the hamas tunnels into israel. using to calture israelis. you know it's so much to talk about here. i was in a drug warehouse on one of my many trips to the border floor to ceiling drugs. it's estimated he's a multibillionaire perhaps. and it's estimated he might be responsible for 34,000 deaths. i want to ask about the corruption issue. and the corruption issue being, nobody could do this without the

consent of somebody involved here. and, you know two producers, one we'll introduce in the next segment actually found him easily. and if they can find him, why can't law enforcement find him? they were able to find him fairly easily. >> sean you mentioned the gaza tunnels. remember the more modest drug smuggling tunnels on the southern border. el chapo was the tunnel master. he was the prince of tunnels. his sin lowa car tell principally smuggled their drugs through tunnels. they put him in a prison surrounded by dirt. and apparently no one thinks to think that el chapo, the tunnel master might dig a tunnel. that to me, is one of the things that i find difficult to believe, at least the official

version. >> it's likely they did know. >> it's inevitable somebody did know. according to an opposition senator, they did. >> we're going to get back to geraldo from mexico later in the program. coming up next here tonight on "hannity" "hannity." >> making millions of behalf of chop chappo guzman. you don't end up in forbes magazine without being an entrepreneur. >> you'll meet the filmmaker that went inside the drug kingpin's world. if they can find them why can't the government find them? that and more on the special edition of "hannity" as we continue. this is how they moved all that dirt. 2,000 tons of dirt. this is the rail they built. here's one car, a second car. and pushing it all this

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"hannity." it's no different than a home depot or walmart with a ceo and directors and financial staff. these are corporate infrastructures. making millions on behalf of choppo chapo guzman. you don't end up in forbes magazine without being a smart ontruprupeer. >> that's a clip from a documentary about el chapo. it will air next tuesday on pbs stations. angus mcqueen is with us. how are you? >> i'm good. thanks for having me on the

show. >> you're very welcome. i went to a drug warehouse and i saw the drugs. the biggest warehouse you have seen. those are only the drugs we confiscated. what did you learn about how these drugs are penetrating into cities and towns, big and small across the united states from him? >> what did we learn? well, it's something we've all known, that for decades, really ever since the war on drugs quote unquote, was declared, the -- there has been a supply of drugs to the united states to europe all over the world. that has essentially, got greater, not lesser. and the price of those drugs has essentially gone down not gone up. which would suggest that supply has improved.

i think you deal with any of the law enforcement agencies when you meet lots of them and speak to them they will all admit that they are touching the very very small corner of supply. i mean i once made a film in britain about drugs and the supply of drugs. and we discovered an astonishing figure that the authorities were confiscating under 1% of the amount of drugs coming into britain in the year. >> how were you able to along with your fellow producer to track down this guy, when mexico can't get him for the most part. they had him and then lost him squmpt and the united states can't get him. how did you get him? >> we didn't believe the story we were being told. we thought we knew where we would find el chapo guzman.

who was technically one of the most wanted men in the world. he rated just under bin laden. when bin laden was killed up came el chapo as the most wanted man in the world. and we thought we know where you are. so we're going to go and find you. now, if we did -- the fact we found him exactly where we expected to find him, would suggest, to me that the american authorities and the mexican authorities have known where he is for the whole 13 years. he was quote unquote on the run. >> that's a pretty compelling story. i look forward to the documentary documentary. >> it's absurd but it tells you something about the relationship between these drug cart els and particularly the sinaloa car tell and the mexcomeican government and the united states. >> you're saying that american

law enforcement -- this is a severe charge -- mexican law enforcement have known all about where he is where he's operating from for years and they did nothing to stop him. it was obvious the escape that he had to have some inside help. you're saying that they've known for years, and that the system and that american law enforcement, is that corrupt? >> listen i am making no charges of anything. i state the simple thing. i'm a simple filmmaker. and with one other person my colleague, we started out knowing where he was. and we ended up finding him exactly where we started out knowing where he was. i rest my case. if we found him, i'm very sorry, it shouldn't have taken 13 years for the mexican and u.s. authorities to find him. >> what is your opinion of him?

>> i think he is an astonishing businessman. there is a really interesting history of how he has exploited the illegal smuggling drugs operation. i think he is completely brutal. and an implacable enemy. and those two things sits exactly as stated. he clearly is a remarkable figure in the sense of how he has built up and managed to control this empire through a combination of money and fear. money and terror. i mean the situation -- the story of this man and the story of mexico at the moment is a sort of tragic farce.

tens of thousands of people have been killed. yeah. tens of thousands. some people say it's over 100,000 people have been killed in the last few years in the mexican drug wars. this is innocent people as well as a few guilty people. but at the same time you've got this farce, the man escaped from prison in 2001. he escapes again now. and he's been sitting around in the bit in between a couple miles away from his mom. >> it's unbelievable. but he also must have acquired over that period of time an extreme loyalty. when you look at the sophistication of the tunnel that's built. they bring in the motorcycle so he can drive through the tunnel. it has lighting and air conditioning in the tunnel. it's absurd to me. you know that -- obviously the people that work for him are willing to go to those lengths. and free him and not try and

take over his business while he is in custody. >> well, i mean listen the two really important things about el chapo guzman when we talk about him. the first is that on one level he's irrelevant to the story. the price of cocaine, heroin methamphetamine on the streets of america did not go up when he got arrested last year. there was no change. nor did they go down when he got out last week. so he has an organization there are a number of heads to it. he's the public face of it. understand that. there are other figures who have been running it. it's a very complex family network which is at the heart of it. a network of intermarriage. and you need to understand that that provokes a sort of tribal

loyalty. he pays people very well. you get paid you know -- the average policemen in sinaloa can easily be paid by the cartel. listen it's pretty clear that it was either money or fear that will have been applied to the various people in the prison industry or higher up that must have helped in that escape last week. >> i appreciate your time. thank you, angus so much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> it's a pleasure. i hope you all enjoy the film. >> joining us now with more reaction are two men that have tracked el chapo for years. former chief of operations for the u.s. drug enforcement administration michael brawn and the current director of the texas narcotic officers association gill gonzalez. let me get you first to respond to the filmmaker here. i mean he's saying that there's no way he could have survived.

here are two film makers that knew exactly where he was, found him exactly where they thought he would be. and he's saying it's no mystery that law enforcement had to have known as well. what is your reaction to that? >> well, sean yi would say there is conspiracy theorists that believe elvis is alive and well in area 51. 40 years of experience in this business it would make for a wonderful hollywood movie, but he's absolutely wrong on so many points. i would agree with him that corruption is very much at the heart of all of this. and played a critically important part to his successful escape. >> gill with all that said -- i'm a big supporter of law enforcement here. it strikes me odd that two film producers will able to find him

you know, in a very short period of time meanwhile law enforcement didn't know where he was. that seems odd to me. >> yes that is very odd. in fact if it is true which i have not reviewed the films, but if that is true they should -- they should be deputized if that have that kind of influence. i suspect that he can be found by people that are not a threat to him. >> couldn't law enforcement use that tactic themselves? couldn't they put cameras on their agents and say we're here to film. we believe in drug legalization? >> yes. yes. i have been undercover many many times. and in many different circumstances. but there are certain rules and regulations that apply to undercover tactics. i agree with mr. brawn -- general pershing was looking for poncho via and he never found

him. i need to see the film to get a better idea of what would the circumstances involving that. but i can assure that aenchevery dea agent boots on the ground in mexico are dedicated to going after their traffickers and assist the mexican government. >> i know they're doing a good job in this sense. i go back to the drug warehouse, floor to ceiling, they're confiskitting confiskcon confiscating drugs. this goes back to immigration, they can cross the border whenever they want. >> part of this -- an important part of it is the border issue. you need to understand you know listen not long after the attacks on our country in 9/11 over 60% of our department of defense detection and monitoring assets that were covering and

working very closely with mexican counterparts and counterparts throughout latin america, those dnm assets left for more parts of the world where they were desperately needed at the time and they've never returned. i would like to clarify one thing. >> real quick. >> dea and fbi, federal law enforcement are prohibited from posing as journalists while conducting undercover operations. >> wow. that to me seems absurd. i think police officers ought to be able to use any means necessary to get big drug dealers. that is something they ought to reconsider. thank you for what you do and thank you for being on the program. coming up you'll hear from a former chicago gang member who sold el chapo's windy city. how far did the drug empire extend into the u.s.? that is coming up next. the understand the magnitude of the engineering feat involved. look how far it is to the prison

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joining me is a former chicago gang member who sold drugs for the sinaloa car tell. herald ward is here. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> you sold cocaine, you were sentenced to ten years in jail you served five? >> exactly. >> when you were doing this your didn't know you were deal ing with el chapo, right? >> at all. didn't know-nothing. i had a mexican connect. and when i stopped selling, that's when i found out that they was affiliated with him. >> how did you find out? >> i saw a couple of the guys that -- i guess at the time i got out had moved up in rank. and i saw them on tv wow, that's the guy i dealed with. that's how i found out. >> you sold heroin cocaine -- am i wrong? >> wrightright, i did. >> heroin cocaine, meth. >> i never sold meth.

>> have you changed your life? are you out of the drug trade now? >> i've been out of the drug trade since '93. born again christian now. >> whungen you think back to those days what do you think about being involved in someone's ultimate demise even death, what are your thoughts about that? >> i always get this question all the time. what is my worst regret in selling drugs. it was selling to my people. that was my worst regret. i think about all the different things that happened and how things was now. i'm not trying to glorify. things are different today than they it was back then when i was selling. it's much wilder now, crazier. no type of respect of nothing. ain't no honor among thieves right now today at all. >> when you were involved in this gang was there any

violence murder? >> i mean when i was doing what i was doing, it was murders everywhere. it wasn't just about that. it was basically people just -- the drugs just took over. took their minds. it just did all -- everybody was trying to get their money. it was basically like you know it was -- to be honest with you, when we was doing what we was doing, we had structure. believe it or not. and so it wasn't as many murders as it is right now. now they renegades they do what they want to do. it was structure. that's why the murders was less. >> all right. i'm glad you're on the straight and narrow. joining us former dea agent phil jordan and former director of the fbi richard garcia. from what i understand you're saying el chapo and his drug distribution has reached over a thousand american cities is that true? >> that's what they're saying. and the reach is very common. he's all over the world besides

the united states. he's in australia, europe and he's in asia. he's just not concentrated on the united states. even though the united states has the appetite for drug use. >> knowing what you know seeing what you see. i've been down to the border 12 times myself and i've seen a lot. does it amaze you that we still don't have control of this border? because it's stunning to me all of these drugs coming in. this is targeted towards our kids. and we don't stop it. are you as surprised as i am? >> no, i'm not surprised. it's a big border it's 2,000 miles of the border. the drugs come in from canada as well. >> how about we control all the borders? don't you think it's imperative we do it. >> how are you going to do it. there's not enough man power. even if you build a fence, el chapo is using tunnels.

and that doesn't work. it's a waste of money. >> phil jordan do you agree with that? i would like to think we wage a significant war to stop all this. >> well, what richard is saying is pretty much on target. fact that if you built a fence, sean they can go over it and they can go under it. that's not going to stop it. okay. what's going to stop it is reducing the demand in the united states. >> that's a good point. >> to a certain degree. but like richard also stated, eloquently chapo controls the world market on the drug distribution. so it's not just the united states where he's killing our children and increasing the violence for example, that's happening in chicago. >> okay. let me go back to richard.

here you have two tv producers, they can find him. the mexican government can't find him or keep him in jail. the americans can't get this guy. but two producers find him literally in days. how is that possible? >> well it all depends on who's the person. i think they said earlier, if they want to be found and if their eagle gets in the way that they want to believe to pounce their chest and say what we're doing and in your face to the united states and mexico they'll accept this type of thing. if you try to do an undercover operation which is prohibited you can't have law enforcement do that. the check and balances to vet the person that's say whoosh they are. they're not stupid. they have sophisticated ways to do background checks and look at who they're talking to. you have to be sophisticated on your back stopping to insure you're not giving up the fact

that you're an undercover agent. the united states can't go into mexico unless we're allowed. >> they're not helpful, are they? >> no, they're not. with the change of administration the various authorities that the dea had in mexico was reduced significantly with the new current president. they wanted to do it themselves. >> we know that that's not going to work. guys i disagree on the immigration part. i thank you for the hard work you put in every day. thank you for doing that. coming up what we know about el chapo's family. will authorities ever find him. that's coming up next straight ahead. 2,000 tons of dirt was taken under the tunnel in that building. stored in this area here and then removed from the neighborhood. how did that happen with nobody noticing?

[ speaking in spanish ] that was a clip from the documentary drug lord. we have the daily mail reporter and the former chief of international operations at the dea is with us. welcome, good to see you all. let's talk for a second about what we know about his family.

because it's apparently tightly knit. he also married an american wife. wanted his children to have american citizenship. isn't that true? >> that's correct. his wife emma is actually a family member of one of his closer associates who died several years ago. she had chapo's twin daughters in los angeles several years ago. they're a tight knit community and they have links across the border. >> what is your reaction to -- allistair are we going to find this guy? do you think he's built an infrastructure even here in the united states where he's paying so many people off? >> i think in terms of finding him, the trail went cold at the end of the tunnel a mile south of the maximum security penitentiary he escaped from. for the moment authorities have named his wife as the highest

priority surveillance targets. they haven't indicated whether they have any idea where she is. she gave birth in 2011 to two twin daughters. since that time she's kept an exceptionally low profile. but it's important to remember that she was the person who was found with him in february of last year with el chapo when he was arrested. the authorities will be hoping to keep a cloesse eye on her and hope she leads them to him. >> as when you look at the families and contributions that are paid to everybody that comes into this guy's life? >> the fact of the matter is the sinaloa cartel has unlimited resources. he uses his sons to engage in the drug trade. one of them was arrested in mexico on money laundering charges in 2005. was released three years later because they felt that there was no evidence.leased.

he has now been indicted in the southern district of california on drug trafficking charges. second oldest son has been indicted in the state of indiana. and then his young son is engaged in the drug trade as well. and i think that chapo guzman wants to have his sons participate so that if something happens to him, the guzman legacy will continue to dominate the sinaloa cartel. >> a legacy of dealing heroin cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana a legacy that includes murder? >> whole sale violence and may hem. >> good to see you. when we come back will the drug kingpin known as el chapo be captured again? we'll go back to mexico with geraldo rivera.

i'm having flash backs to afghanistan, december 2001 the caves and tunnel complex that hid osama bin laden. i must say bin laden had nothing on el chapo. he dug a much more impressive tunnel. hmm. [cell phone beeps] hey! [police whistle blows] [horns honking] woman: hey!

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welcome back to chappo's case is having many wondering if he will be caught again. i can't say i'm hopeful considering he was caught once he escaped. and twice, he escaped. seems like they're going to have a difficult time keeping him down. what are you hearing on the ground? >> that is the, i think, you just uttered the understatement of the year. difficult, if not impossible. we know that he emerged from that house behind me that is the last i think we'll see of el chapo in our lifetime. despite mexico pulling out all of the stops, as we saw yesterday and today, there are

thousands of uniformed mexican federal police state police various agencies represented. there are uniformed mexican service men searching for el chapo but why in this area i don't know. they won't find him. >> you know something, you think of the level of loyalty or fear involved in this. they're going to dig a one mile tunnel. you think there is going to be competition, knock him out, but no. they went to work to make sure their leader got out of prison again. what does it say about the network he's built up? >> i believe, sean el chapo is

in his home state, his mountainous pacific state where he is the ruler. he believe he is in the caves where everybody is on his payroll. who else was on his payroll is the question. when you have a billion dollars, according to "forbes" magazine to spend, spending hundreds of millions in terms of what is necessary for the plan. this is a man now insulated and isolated. i don't think we'll hear from el chapo. i think he will continue to taunt people like donald trump, other people in the media. maybe taunting his drug rivals but they can't, from these other states, go into where he is the absolute ruler. i believe he'll be this with his four wives, ten children,

sending out his son, and others to continue his business. i think that this man will continue supplying drugs to the united states and elsewhere for some time to come. >> he's on "forbes" most wanted people list. it is believed 50% of the cocaine methamphetamine, and marijuana coming into america is from his cartel $3 billion per year of business they're doing. i guess that is being used for protection. >> it's difficult to keep people from becoming corrupt, sean. when the average police officer, or soldier is getting paid a couple hundred dollars per month. the guy offers them a bribe of

$500000, let's say. and if you don't take it i'm going to kill your wife and cut the ears off of your child. it's difficult when you have that temptation as weighed against the neediness and impoferrished conditions of the people you hope to do the work for. >> coming up on the hunt for el

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