jenna: see you back here in an hour? jon: i'll be here. "outnumbered" begins right now. >> this is a fox news alert. the fbi holding a conference right now on the tennessee shootings as new details emerge including that a navy officer and one of the marines who was killed may have returned fire with their weapons. this is "outnumbered." i'm andrea tan taros. here is sandra smith, fox news contributor julie roginsky and #oneluckyguy, republican candidate former senator from the greatest state because i'm a little biased, pennsylvania senator rick santorum. he is outnumbered. >> thank you, sandra. >> we'll have fun this hour. >> from a state next to new jersey which makes it the second greatest state in the

nation. >> we're debating that. guess what, julie you may be outnumbered. >> i'm bringing the jersey. my friend. >> hello. >> listen, people criticize big hair kick them out of your life. you don't need the negativity. >> i represent the midwest. we love you for it. let's get right to it. the navy times reporting one of the marines murdered in the attack in the operational support center in chattanooga, fired his own 9mm globing at the gunman. the paper said a navy official said the facility commanding officer who survived fired his own weapon. inclear if mohammed abdulazeez who was killed after a shooting with police was wounded. it is unclear why they were armed because against policy for other than military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property. meantime in the senate, at least two lawmakers are looking to introduce legislation that would troops to carry guns at military

facilities. while lawmakers debate what to do, armed civilians are spotted standing guard outside of military recruit be centers across the country. senator, when i think about this issue, it seems ludicrous to me we're having a national debate whether or not our military can have guns. >> this is a bad policy. policy trust the men and women in uniformed period. if we trust them out there on the front lines in pat he will, to protect us, we should allow them to protect themselves particularly now that isis has made it a point to say to fellow jihadists around the world target people in uniform. target the american military. i fly a lot of airplanes. i used to when is saying uniformed personnel come forward. you never see anybody come forward anymore. no one is dressed in uniform. they're told not to. they're told not to because they're a target. we know they're a target. we send them out without any

ability to protect themselves. that is irresponsible policy and needs to be changed. >> time and again harris, we see the many of ways these gunmen are taken down, we don't know if that was the case here we see someone who cast carrying. in canada, we saw attack at the capitol. the virginia tech. armed citizens with legal guns who take down the killers. >> two things to comment and question for you. one, when you see the pictures from inside which started to come out yesterday, you see there was a fight going on. these guys were fighting for their lives, does this refute the argument for people who say you know what? a gun wouldn't have made a difference in this instance because they didn't get a shot fired off? >> a gun would have you made a difference. the fact they attacked the recruiting center and fact it had gun-free zone. >> it wasn't a secret. it was a sign. >> if you're a terrorist, you're going for soft targets. and if you have a military

installation that is a soft target, that is the best of both worlds from a terrorist point of view. that is why they're attacking. >> a lot of these guys in their home, i used to roll with my dad as a little girl, when he was in uniform. it is their families. they're not just protecting themselves. al qaeda and isis put threats out on their families too. >> again i think it is bad policy i hope the congress will change it. i don't anticipate this president making any changes in positive direction. >> wanted to ask you about that, julie. we've seen governors act on their own. i think is a smart move rather than wait for congress. do you think democrats will maybe cross over to vote for this? even if they do is something president obama would veto? >> we talked about this on friday. i said i was conflicted. let it said i didn't go home to think about it over the weekend. i agree with senator santorum. agree with all of you. i think, actually a new one for me senator. >> come together. >> i'm evolving just on this issue. >> sing kumbayah.

you don't want my endorsement. i don't think it helps you in iowa. i'm certainly not for guns everywhere at all times but as you pointed out, these are soft targets. these are trained military officers and they are people who are being targeted and i think they should be able to protect themselves. i think they should be able to carry weapons in their recruiting stations. i gave it a lot of thought. i come to the con pollution and there is no sense -- >> senator as we await break details on update on these shootings what do you make of the administration's lack of or hesitancy to address this as terrorism? >> again, the president has from the very beginning of his administration denied any link to radical islam to terrorist activities. it is obvious to everybody else when you see someone is islamic traveled to jordan who visited websites, it is clear there is component of. this is troubled young man? i would make argument who blows

themselves up and commits terrorist activity is troubled young man and women who is doing those things. the idea there may be other complicating factors doesn't deter that this is a terrorist attack motivated by isis and other islamic groups that are rallying people around around the globe to attack. that will continue unless we start taking isis out. as long as isis is a state that has a caliphate that looks to be stable or expanding then what you're going to see is people following them and increasing numbers as we concede a nuclear weapon, a nuclear weapon to another radical jihadist group which is the state of the iran. we don't arm kurds. we don't do anything to fight back isis. and allow them to continue to maintain their territory and expand it and expand their influence, we'll see more of these incidents. >> very quickly, before i move on, it is shameful it taken us a couple years to be at this place

again after we saw people die at the navy yard. i want to remind people that this isn't the first time we've seen sitting ducks get taken down. it is shameful it took a couple years to act. >> we're popping up the news conference from chattanooga. this is starting. watch the full news conference on foxnews.com streaming live from our website. a couple things have come out. first of all senator, you and i learned we were talking about, during what was happening during one of the attacks in chattanooga you saw our guys going back in. they were willingly going back in to the fight. that is one of the things that has come out here. the wounded, released from the hospital today. so just all could have things that have come out of this. we'll continue to watch it and bring you you know, just the news points as they come. again you can watch it streaming live on foxnews.com. we're going to move on now. new fallout over our nation's sanctuary city policies in the aftermath of the fatal shooting of kate steinle on a

san francisco pier by an illegal immigrant with a long felony record. he is expected to be in court for a hearing today. this week house lawmakers may vote on a plan to withhold money from local governments that have policies that prohibit federal officials to enforce the law. kate steinle said they failed their own daughter. watch. >> we want our loss to be last loss from a violent criminal, immigrant. we've got enough of that here without them coming in from wherever. so if, and that is what we're here to try to get legislation pass that kate will be the last person. >> you want to talk about personal strength, senator. her parents, my goodness. >> this quickly. i'm, i'm amazed that they have the ability. i couldn't, i don't know. we have seven children and you know losing a child and being

able to go out there in very short period of time and be as forceful and as composed as they were yesterday in congress and on tv is, obviously they have got a lot of, got a lot of inner strength. >> a lot of inner strength. house republicans scheduled a vote for later this week. they're looking at a law that will rip some of the funding away. >> sort of. >> tell me what it does. >> i have some, couple of, i have a concern about that bill because it does say that you know we're going to withhold funds but -- >> from sanctuary cities. >> sanctuary cities, gives the president flexibility not to do so and that's problem. >> so how do you enforce it? >> you make a requirement. you define what the sanctuary cities are. you say if, if there are policies like this then the the money shall be withheld. don't give any ability for this president particularly to be able to worm his way out of this, say, well, this policy isn't right or i have the

ability to waive that for this particular reason. there should be no waiver no outs. >> no wiggle room. >> no wiggle room for this president. as we've seen the president doesn't need a whole lot of room not to enforce the law. >> not to put it on the white house, we havehundred disaccording to our brain room research. -- 300 cities. are republican going to do something and why did it take so long? >> as always the case it take as tragedy for problems that are percolating our society. it is lawlessness. >> will the senate do something? >> i'm hopeful hopeful they will. the senate ryce by partisan support. hopefully in this case given attention -- >> frustrated over this. >> i'm frustrated over entire immigration policy we don't enforce our laws. we allow people to come in here to take jobs from people who want to work, can work and

frankly holding down wages for -- >> i'm not convinced the senate is going to do anything and i say that because look at current senators in office democrats and republicans. look at immigration bill they supported on both the right and the left. the senator is absolutely right. you really are there are already laws on the books and policies within i.c.e. that try and reduce these payments to these sanctuary cities. harris they're not enforcing them. in fact, the gang of eight bill because of feinstein would have actually stopped and waived those laws to keep money flowing. if they want their little crazy town in san francisco, they need to pay for it. if they want to have crazy town, crazy cities, liberals can pay for it themselves. people in pennsylvania, people in new jersey people in illinois should not have to pay for crazy towns. >> let me ask you this, senator. your home state, for example philadelphia, right? don't they have enough crime? don't local law enforcement have enough to deal with than check immigration papers of people they pull over? >> you know, as part of the process of checking for

identification. it is not, usually not a mystery whether someone is there illegally or not. they don't have proper documentation. >> they could have driver's license. >> not in pennsylvania. in philadelphia the anticipates is would be very easy for them to check. >> you're walking down the street and somebody looks suspicious to you go over to them -- that is my question. don't they have enough to do on local level. >> all of this is usually in conjunction with someone committing another crime. whether simple traffic stop or the like but i don't think, any of, any of the people are calling for, not that think it is necessarily bad policy but i don't think anybody is calling for going around roving trying to do mass deportations. what we're talking about here is when we identify people who are in this country by usually by other criminal activity, we catch them, deport them, send them home. >> fine. but you also have certain places that want to mandate local law enforcement enforcing immigration laws. don't you think local law enforcement has enough to do?

>> think how twisted laws in san francisco. police in san francisco couldn't even go up to sanchez even if they suspected he was killer, a criminal who was deported they couldn't even question him based on nationality. that is insane. >> don't disagree on that. i'm asking a different question, we saw this arizona and other places my question do you really think local law enforcement should be enforcing immigration laws? >> i think they should be part of the web of immigration enforcement. >> yes 100%. >> otherwise you lit law enforcement in san francisco off the hook for not having called i.c.e. when clearly had somebody in their custody that had a record and so for the. >> bingo. >> you might get emails what you said. >> crazy town? bring it on! >> add it to the pile. >> new push on capitol hill, to defund planned parenthood after more explosive hidden camera footage is released. wow, you have got to watch this. what about this political fallout? we'll ask the senator if this

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conference. we want to be able to watch with you some of what is being told about what went down when our marines and sailors were under attack in chattanooga, tennessee. the fbi looking at some of the details and major general -- he is taking some questions now. let's just watch. [inaudible] >> for those of you who didn't hear the question, and i will try to paraphrase it and make sure i get it right, reports of mental illness by family members concerning the shooter as well as possible radical information on the internet that he may have

observed. i'm not going to go into the details what we have found on various pieces of media we have obtained. again, because it is an ongoing investigation. as far as mental health we heard the same reports and we are investigating that to determine whether or not there is any validity to those. right down here in front. >> aaron cooper with cnn there were reports that personal or privately-owned weapons used in responding to the shooter. can you tell us how many of those were used, who used them and did anybody hit the shooter? did anybody hit anybody else? was there any friendly fire incident? >> since you had a microphone, i don't think i need to repeat the question. we'll start with the weapons that were recovered inside of the facility. we found three weapons inside the facility we believe we know belonged to the shooter. one weapon was located in vehicle and two weapons were located on his person. two additional weapons were

recovered at the scene. those weapons belonged to servicemembers and they were, at least one of weapons was discharred at the subject. whether he was struck by those individuals is unclear at this time. the autopsy results are still pending and once we get those we'll be able to make that determination. >> were those officers authorized -- [inaudible] >> as far as any authorization of weapons is not relevant to our current investigation. that is investigation conducted separately by the military. i'm sure they will address it at some point when they complete their investigation. >> i -- >> go on to the next. to assure the field here. who is -- >> nbc news. curious if ballistic reports have come back from the shooting that you know all of the victims were in fact shot by the gunman not officers may have been responding to try to take down the shooter? >> okay. i can tell you, and the question is are and i'm not sure you had

the mic high up enough for everybody to hair. were there ballistic reports returned that the shooter i'm sorry, whether the victims, the victims were hit by friendly fire. all indications are and we do not have the ballistic reports back plim preliminarily looks like all victims were killed by the same weapon. yes, ma'am? >> [inaudible] can you tell us anything about the -- [inaudible]. >> the question is, can i tell but the shooter's uncle in jordan. and is that part of our ongoing investigation? the fbi will explore every possibility and every relative and associate that he has no matter where they are located. if his uncle was located in jordan then i am certain we will work with the jordanian government to get any information that we possibly

could. >> eric -- associated press. you've been doing a lot of interviews of friends and family in the two days running up or i guess the time running up to the incident. i was curious what you could share with us what you found out from those interviews specifically two days the family thought he was back in his work job elsewhere when he was here with a rented mustang? >> the question is can an i share with you anything that the relatives or people we interviewed with you? at this point no. again i suspect you suspected that answer would be mine. obviously these, it is an ongoing investigation. we are extremely as we said earlier we have covered well over i forget the number of leads but a significant number of leads. every day more and more leads are generated. we're running full speed. we have close to 700 to one had you agents, or personnel working

on this full time. again i can't share particulars of any statements given to us by witnesses. yes? >> [inaudible] >> i can tell you, the question is, can i tell you where the weapons were purchased? were they purchased legally and were any of the weapons modified? none of the weapons were modified. as for where the weapons were purchased we know where the weapons were purchased and i'm not prepared to discuss any further than that. again we're pursuing those leads. yes, sir? >> can you clarify where the marines that were slain died? [inaudible] >> okay.

one service member died inside the facility, or was wounded inside the facility. four servicemembers were killed outside the actual building. so inside the fence. so, the four, four servicemembers were killed inside of the motor pool area. one service member was mortally wounded inside the facility. >> [inaudible] >> i'm telling you four servicemembers were slain outside of the facility, meaning the building itself but inside the fence. one service member was mortally wounded inside of the facility. in the back with -- >> [inaudible] how close was the shooter actually to gaining access into the building itself? >> as i described the scenario here, the shooter made entry

into the building, proceeded to move through the building pursueing the sailors and marines mo were, attempting to evade him. so, he did make entry into the facility. yes, ma'am? >> how far away were the officers -- [inaudible] >> my understanding is that wherever cpd in relation to where the shooter was in when he crashed into the gate. cpd were in pursuit however not on his bumper. they made entry as fast as think could. once inside the facility you have to try to locate the shooter which is difficult because obviously he is moving. so they are moving toward the gunshots and as soon as they encountered him they engaged him. back over here.

>> -- in nashville. there are reports about whether this individual was a follower of radical islam and -- in your research and investigations have you found that he was radical in the sense and willing to commit an act of terrorism? >> so the question his is has our investigation determined whether or not he was radicalized? at this point it is too early in the investigation to determine whether or not his, whether or not he had been radicalized. so we are pursuing that as a possibility but it is too early in the investigation to determine. yes, ma'am? >> were there still people in the building when the shooter returned and was stopped by cpd? >> i'm sorry i couldn't hear you. >> were there still people trapped in the building when the shooter came back inside after he went outside the first time? >> the shooter never reentered the buildings. once he exited the building out of the back he never reentered. yes, sir? >> [inaudible]

>> we obviously are, i'm sorry, i know i need to repeat the question for folks that they can hear. the question was was he acting alone were others acting in concert with him and had he been directed to do so through any affiliation or -- at this time we're treating him as a home-grown violent extreme it. we believe he acted on his own that day. we believe he entered the facility on his own. we do not have any indication that anyone else was assisting him on that day. >> one more question. >> i will go right back here i believe with the played shirt. >> i want to find out how long -- [inaudible] >> okay. our understanding of the timeline is the entire event from the time he crashed the

gate until he finished took anywhere from three to five minutes. >> thank you all. >> that will be it, thank you. >> this will be the final press conference we'll have. if we have additional press conferences we'll notify you by email or -- >> all right. we've been watching that news conference with the fbi and this is wrapping up now. this is in chattanooga, tennessee. just a couple of things that have come out of there. up to a thousand fbi agents put on this investigation. that tells you the scope and how deep this investigation will go. they are talking to people, as you well know. he visited an uncle, the shooter. the alleged shooter did in jordan. so the fbi will explore any relative no matter where they are or live is what we learned. major general of the u.s. marine corps, major general paul greer said this at the beginning. there is legacy of that day and one of the valor day and armor strength that morning five marines were at our office. their response to attack was

immediate. they took cover. one marine wounded who has been treated and released today. that is how we learned that the injured had been released. he went on to say, i can tell you our marines reached and reacted the way you would expect, going room to room, they got their fellow marines to safety. once they got to safety, some willingly ran back into the fight. all of us can be proud. senator, i come to you, as we just learned they aren't ready yet in their investigation to say whether this was radical islam. that was a question that was asked. they're pursuing that as a possibility but it is still very early on in the investigation what we learned from the special agent in charge there ed rhine holt. he said this is homegrown violent extremism. that is how they're looking at it. what is violent extremism? is it not terrorism? is it something i don't know about? >> obviously the question is, extreme what? >> yeah. >> if you're an extremist, ex-freakist about what?

obviously what we're talking about is extremist islam. that is what they're extremist about. the to say someone is extremist has to be some philosophy or ideology or something you're extreme in. and we euphemize it. we try to slide it aside. we don't even use the word terrorist anymore. >> yes. >> to me this is an insult. this is act of war. this is what it was. an act of war against the united states of america by people who are incentivized by folks fighting us on the battlefield right now and not to recognize that, not to honor the people who have fallen here in fighting that act of war i think is a disservice to them. >> where are we generally speaking on this fight on terror? globally, some of your colleagues have identified the cyber threat as the biggest threat that we currently face. >> that, i really can't disagree with that. the hacking that is going on as we sit here, databases of private companies and the

government being hacked, information being leaked. that information being on someplace called the dark web, that is available for distribution. i mean if you, if you're one of those opm records, andrea, i think you're one of those records. >> i got the letter. >> your information is out there. i guarranty it is for sale out there. what they're trying to do, they're doing this to companies. they will try to bring down these companies. they're already -- not just china. it is not just russia. it is isis, it is other organizations that see this as real vulnerability of america and we do not have the right people on this watch. >> something we've been asking on this show. harris and i have been discussing this a lot is whether or not government should be working more closely with u.s. corporations, facebook twitter because so many of these incidents we're learning, they were radicalized online and in some cases announcing their attacks on twitter? >> well this is all about using

our assets to be able to find out who, who is communicating with whom. this is why the patriot act was such a big deal, the fact that we've weakened our defense as little bit, our intelligence capability a little bit to me is wrong. coming back to the cyber threat this is this is so important that we understand that the this is a war. this is not a telecommunications issue. this is not a, cyber hacking. this is a war and we need to have people on deck here who are warfighters. the problem is the people in the military who are assigned to do this are not war fight is. they're technicians. they are people who don't necessarily see, well, we've got an enemy, how do we defeat the enemy. it is more how do we protect ourselves. >> you just made some news here. we heard about china we heard about russia. you're telling us isis is hacking? do you have evidence to back that up? >> i believe --

>> that they have the capability? >> that they have the capability to do that and i have no doubt that they are, that they are using using that as a threat against the united states. >> senator i have to step in. we're going to take a quick break. stay with us.

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." a new push on capitol hill to defund planned parent who hood after hidden camera footage purports that the clinic was selling feet tall tissues for profit. planned parenthood denies the allegations. a house hearing calls for hearing on the practices. republicans including rick santorum pointed out members of their own party have been too quiet for too long on abortion and other social issues. what impact senator do you think this will have on social

conservatives now to in an effort to rally the base? >> it is emboldening folks to go to their congressman to say look clearly something planned parenthood is doing something against the law. she was describing a partial-birth abortion she was doing against federal law, selling tissue is against federal law and openly admitting to doing that in both videos talking about how it is widespread throughout planned parenthood. what more evidence do you need to bring a bill to the floor and demand that the defunding of this organization that is keeping in my mind with their founder. their founder is woman by the name of margaret sanger a known eugenicist. someone who was racist. wanted to cull this country of the disabled, other minorities including blacks. and she is the she is the founder of this organization. somewhat that planned parenthood holds up on a pedestal who is one of the motivating forces for some of eugenics movement even within nazi germany.

planned parenthood is a bad seed. it's a seed based on the idea of dehumanizing the child in the womb. just like we've seen every great genocide succeeded by dehumanizing the people you're exterminating. that is exactly the case here. all about dehumanization. it started in the 1920s and '30s with margaret sanger dehumanizing blacks and disabled. now we see it continue. >> this is bigger than rallying the base, sandra. i know pro-choice people who are disgusted by these videos. this doesn't have to do with the women. in fact they're not even considering the patient's choices or options. this is about the murder of infants and gruesome and horrific way they're doing it. and by the way, at what point is this not a non-profit anymore? the non-profit status? this is business. the selling of -- >> a big business. and they should have their charitable status or whatever benefits they're getting from the government reneged because they're making a lot of money. >> you can't defend it, julie.

>> i am a about to defend it. >> insert numbers here. u.s. taxpayer provided planned parenthood, planned parenthood with $540 million per year. those are the latest numbers, as of 2013. >> let me tell you a couple of things. one if you watch the full two hour video, not excerpt this organization wanted to see you see this woman is never selling fetal tissue. talking about getting money for transport of that tissue is perfectly legal. secondly no taxpayer dollars go towards abortion. third of all -- they don't go towards services likes papers. go towards breast exams. go towards health care. >> they don't. such a crock. >> let me tell you something, when i was 18 years old moved up to boston to go to college. went up to planned parenthood for ob/gyn exam what you're doing for 18. not for birth control, not for abortion. i needed health care. i didn't know where else to go to i didn't know doctors. helped me and millions of women like me. they provide a social service for women in their health care. >> so that is your experience.

>> it is. >> and i'm wondering what hillary clinton's experience is? because she got that margaret sanger award which is their highest award. so did pell>]ñ pell. we haven't heard from them. -- nancy pelosi. did she speak out in the last 15 minutes correct me if she did. >> deafening silence. >> cops into play. this is now complicated, politically complicated because some of the tissue that has been used goes to breast cancer research. so you've got susan comb man foundation. >> parkinson's alzheimer's, spinal cord. >> house republicans doing a coin commemorating breast cancer research t has political voice do you think? >> this is an industry. the idea that this money is separated, this is one organization, you're giving money to organization. you can't use it for abortion. well they use it for everything else to support the organization, which helps planned parenthood. you can't say there are two different organizations.

they're one organization. they get money and money is used to support and promote that organization. >> what do you say to women, like me and to others who use this organization for health care? what do you say to them? >> i would say there are plenty of other organizations out there that don't do this. >> don't do what? make abortions -- >> make abortions less crunchy. >> they are not selling tissue. they're selling transportation. >> did you watch video. >> she is negotiating a fee structure. >> andrea, for transportation. not for harvesting. >> i'm not againsted planned parenthood. >> good. >> i'm against my money going to planted parenthood. if private donors so girl get papers. >> and other things. that is great. provide a service fantastic. not appropriate to have taxpayers dollars when they were under the guise of being non-profit julie you know it. they're a big business. that is bad business and -- they reveal the really disgusting. >> $140 million, in 2013

327,000 abortions took place. that was increase from previous years. and that constitutes 94% of all pregnancy services that were conducted by planned parenthood. so when you talk about the pregnancy services majority of them are -- >> there is a lot more that planned parenthood does than just pregnancies. i was beneficiary of that i never weren't there for -- >> the line on when line starts for people in your camp, wouldn't you say? if they can use tissue do whatever it is, sell it to researchers, whatever, doesn't that mean it's a human being? otherwise is -- >> people like nancy reagan support embryonic stem cell research. plenty of people support embring i don't know nick stem cell research. >> privately then. >> not privately. nih. all of these people, government needs to be involved in this research. we're involved in cancer research. we're involved in parkinson's research. >> is this what congress is like? >> i know this is big issue. >> look, i have a lot of big

issues. important issue about the dignity of all human life. it's a big issue. >> defund planned parenthood where you stand. >> absolutely. >> we're talking about the field for the republican 2016 nomination. we'll ask our one lucky guy how the controversy of donald trump is affecting the race and how he plans to separate himself

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." then there were 16. sweet 16. no not march madness. we're talking about the republican presidential candidates and ones vying for the party's nomination. more expected to join the race in august. donald trump making most headlines of the sweet 16 because of controversial remarks about mexican immigrants and john mccain's war record. appears voters are turning on him. in "quinnepiac poll," real estate mogul has nearly two to

one unfavorable rating in swing states, colorado iowa, virginia. do you support what donald trump says? like him or not. >> as far as what he says, some things i agree with, some things i don't. i wouldn't say anything quite the way he says it. but that is different people bring different things to the race. i think the important thing is i have said this repeatedly over the course of the last two we can shuns, what i saw in the last election meet-yard doesn't just stop when you disagree with someone's statement, they want you to beat up on the other candidate. if someone says something the media doesn't like, if you disagree women had that is not good enough. tough call in their character. you have to assault them personally and really distance yourself from them or you -- >> is that what trump is doing? >> maybe what trump is doing but that is what they're asking all the other republicans to enter into the food fight. >> he is bad for the party, senator? >> what i found out also running four years ago what happens seven months before an election generally has nothing,

very little to do what happens on election day. if you recall four years ago rick perry entered race at top of the polls with tens of millions of dollars. michele bachmann just won a straw poll. was number two in the polls, neither of them won a delegate. what happens is vegas thing what happens in july stays in july. >> senator some criticism of the gop not putting focus on what matters the most to voters in this country and that is the economy. >> yeah. >> everybody wants to see their spouse or their neighbor everybody go back to work. it has been a really, really slow recovery. >> yeah. >> what about that? donald trump has been praised for shedding more light on that than some of the other contenders? >> i announced from a factory floor in western pennsylvania and have really focused my campaign on a book i wrote last year, blue-collar conservatives. when which do to bring back manufacturing in this country. how we create jobs for 74% of the workers in america who don't have a college degree. how we create an opportunity for them to rise and succeed in america. we put forward a whole broad

plaid form, everything from -- platform, from tax policy, encouraging manufacturing to come back to trade policy i'm one of the few republicans that support the ex-im bank. the reason importance of manufacturing importing products for our country here. we've put together something that nobody else has, which is a package of, of ideas that we can go to americans who have not succeeding right now and say here's a plan that will put you back to work. we're going to grow the economy, lower deficits, shrink government and create opportunities for those who are losing in the economy. >> you have done a great job. i will give you that, senator, bringing blue-collar voters to the republican. very good plans. >> thank you. >> when we come back what the senator has in common with a rock and roll legend and what caused the two to strike up a relationship that lasted now for 10 years. guess what it is? you too can guess. ♪

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frontman, bono, our own lucky guy, senator santorum has been friends with the rockledge end more than a decade. senator tell us, how did you strike up this bff relationship? >> my wife just texted me that picture, please tell everybody i was eight months pregnant with that picture. i have now done disclaimer. >> looks beautiful anyway. >> she that was i think number six of our seven. i work with bono on global eights way back when under the bush administration. the bush administration put forward the president's response on aides, pepfar. i managed that and managed it in the united states senate. took the lead on it. worked with bono and whole bunch of other hollywood celebrities. it is one of the things i look back on, and it was a bipartisan effort. it was done in a conservative fashion, even conservatives supported pepfar. >> you're going to the concert tonight. >> i am. >> does bono let you use u2

songs at your campaign rally. >> i never asked him. >> you should ask him. >> the relationship is one that tremendously respect work that he does in the world. and don't take advantage of people who just do really good things and appreciate the friendship. >> on the stage and dance. >> don't think he will ruin his show. >> i'm ready. >> you're ready. >> i will say this. say this as democrat quickly you've done great anti-poverty stuff. thank you. >> that we'll talk about on "outnumbered overtime." click the ot tab. see you tomorrow. thank you senator. >> thank you very much.. ♪ at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.

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