well this case may shine a light on how we can better protect young victims. in their homes and in the media. if you are someone in need of help please find the courage to come forward. call 1-800-4-a-child. and welcome to this special edition of "hannity," the trump card. donald trump has burst on to the 2016 gop presidential scene with an unapologetic no-nonsense approach. potential voters, they seem to be buying mr. trump's message as he's now leading in most of the early polls. however, many of the other republican presidential candidates and the mainstream media are not too happy with the style or the substance. here's a look at donald trump's meteoric rise in this presidential race. >> i am officially running for president of the united states. and we are going to make our country great again.

>> right now donald trump's doing very well in the polls. >> and the reason is they want somebody successful with that mindset to straighten out the country. >> because people want to stop being pushed around like a bunch of patsies. >> mr. trump has lapped the field in the republican race. >> they lose their enthusiasm. they lose their will. they lose a lot of things. ain't going to happen with me. >> i know how to make things better. i know how to make things work. that's what i do. >> he says what he thinks. he's unedited. he's uncensored. he wants someone who tells it like it is. >> i only tell the truth. and frankly, mexico is sending not their best and not their finest. >> he says what comes to his mind and he doesn't sound scripted. he doesn't sound rehearsed. and that 20% of america really likes that. >> we will make america great again. better than ever before. we'll do it fast. we'll do it effectively. and you are going to love the job i do. that i can tell you. that i can tell you.

>> and joining us now from the weekly standard stephen hayes, and from the trump organization executive vice president special counsel to donald trump michael coner with us. guys, good to see you. let's start at the beginning. he was at the border earlier this week. the issue of illegal immigration is front and center now in this race. i would argue in large part because of mr. trump. let's go to the original comments that created the first bit of controversy. >> when mexico sends its people they're not sending their best. they're not sending you. they're not sending you. they're sending people that have lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. and some i assume are good people. but i speak to border guards. and they tell us what we're getting. >> stephen, we know now in texas alone, and i learned this when i was down there with governor perry and i was on the border and i was briefed on border

security. 642,000 texans have been victims of crime including nearly 3,000 murders, thousands of sexual assaults by illegal immigrants against just texans. so my question is isn't trump right in that sense? he's right. >> well i think if donald trump had said exactly what you just said by marshaling facts and building an argument he would be more right. i think he's right in the general sense to raise the issue of crime committed by illegal immigrants. i mean we've seen some tragic events just in these past couple weeks. i think he went too far when he generalized and suggested that they're rapists and that some of them might be good people. i don't think that's the case. that's not accurate. he's much better off if he sticks to the facts like you did and makes an argument. >> so maybe would you argue that it was inarticulate? perhaps -- if he would have said i know a lot of people are come heerg because they want jobs and a better life for them and their families but we have a lot of drug dealers, a lot of rapists, a lot of criminals, a lot of murderers, a huge cost to our educational, criminal justice, and -- systems in this country.

if he would have said it that way. health care system. would that have made it better? >> yes. sure it would have made it better. the way that he said it -- >> it's the same thing, isn't it? >> it's exactly the same thing and steven knows it as does everybody else. there's one word that's missing. had he said the mexican government instead of mexico is sending. when you refer to mexico you're not referring to the mexican people. and i want to say that to everybody that's out there and listening. he is not referring to the mexican people. he's referring to mexico sean and steve. and what he's doing is he's saying they are unloading their unwanteds into the united states. and as you've been talking about, sean for god knows how long the number of people that are being hurt and killed and robbed and raped, these numbers are astronomical. they're astronomical. and anybody that wants to go ahead and grab on one word. donald trump did not have a prepared speech. he spoke from the heart. he speaks without a

teleprompter. he just speaks from his heart. and it's one word and that one word has caused a controversy that as you know between some of these spineless sponsors that run away simply because oh i can't defend anybody, this is our constituents instead of saying that's not what donald trump said and we're not going to allow you to distort mr. trump's words. >> steve, let me ask you a question about the campaign in general. he's resonating. he's getting the biggest crowds. he has the best poll numbers. you think this is detrimental to the process, the republican party? where's your biggest criticism? >> look he's welcome to make whatever arguments he wants. i think you know to a large extent what he's done thus far is not having taken this process very seriously. i mean-e gives speeches. he makes comments that are sometimes irresponsible. sometimes i think he's try to make a joke it doesn't work. sometimes i think he's just nasty. if he wants to make an argument by all means he can be part of the process. i'd be interested in knowing from michael, though when he

abandoned all of the liberal positions that he had taken over all of these years and became a conservative. a skeptic might suggest that he's a conservative of convenience because that's where he sees his opening now. but as we've discussed before he was a proponent of single payer health care which puts him to the left of barack obama. he was a proponent of raising taxes to confiscatory levels praised nancy pelosi praised hillary clinton, called himself a democrat in 2004 when we were in the terms of illegal immigration -- >> steve, i've got to be honest -- >> in terms of illegal immigration he said in 2004 that it was maniacal. >> you are one of the -- you are part of the liberal media problem. wow. donald trump changed his opinion from 35 years ago. because you are exactly the same person 35 years ago that you are today. you're not allowed to change your position. you know what? barack obama -- >> michael, nobody said that. i said i'd appreciate it if you'd tell us when and how he changed his position.

>> that's exactly -- >> when and how did he change his position? why did he change his positions? it's not he changed his position on one issue. certainly, anybody's welcome to do that. he changed his -- >> except for donald trump according to you and the liberal media. he's not allowed -- >> listen to what i'm saying. listen to what i'm saying and answer the question i asked. >> and because he turned around and he identified himself be if 2004 as a democrat or he had democratic values. shame on you. >> let me ask you both a question that came up this week in two separate instances. one was on dana loesch's program and the second was in an interview with "the hill" where donald trump was asked whether or not he might go third party meerpz what he said. >> we remember the '92 election. ross perot cost us that election. >> right. >> would you go on record today as saying that if you can't get the republican nomination you will not run as a third-party candidate? >> no. no. no. i won't go on record as saying that. >> he said that earlier but the comment that he made to "the

hill" is if he's not treated well by the republican national committee. any issues -- >> why should he even be asked this question? >> every candidate was asked the question that n. that -- >> donald trump is the front-runner right now. he's not a politico. he doesn't purport to be a politico. he is as i had said an uber billionaire -- >> i'll tell you why it's an important question. because if he ran third party you might as well start saying president clinton. >> assuming again that hillary clinton -- >> assuming she wins the nomination yes. >> that's right. but you know what why should they even ask him that question? why not focus on the issue at hand, which is instead of killing each other, which is what they're doing to him -- look at lindsey graham. jackass. and then you have -- >> that is a good point. >> -- rick perry calling and saying that he's a cancer. i mean who's grandstanding here? >> let me go to the issues we have steve. if you go back, it was john mccain that started the fight with donald trump and lindsey graham started the fight and this is how donald trump

responded to lindsey graham which i thought was kind of humorous myself. >> i watch this idiot lindsey graham on television today and he calls me a jackass. he's a jackass. didn't this guy call me like four years ago? yes. he called me three four years ago. lindsey graham. i didn't even know who he was. he's like begging me to help him with fox & friends. so i say okay, and i'll mention your name. he said could you mention my name? and he gave me his number. and i found the card. i wrote the number down. i don't know it it's the right number. let's try it. 202 -- >> you know steve, i'm trained in martial arts. i never will start a fight. but if somebody starts a fight with me i'm going to finish the fight. these guys started with him. >> sure. >> i like how he handled lindsey graham. i thought that was funny. >> well it was certainly better than the way that he handled john mccain. i didn't think it was smart for john mccain to call the people that went foughtto the trump rally crazies. i can understand why people are as frustrated as they are with the federal government. i can understand why they're

frustrated with some of the establishment in washington, d.c. i mean i'm not going to litigate who does what. if you you go to donald trump's twitter feed basically it's a long stream of insults to people. but i will say that i find it very interesting that michael didn't answer your last question about a third-party run. and i do think it's relevant if donald trump says he's not going to rule out a third-party bid. certainly well within his rights to do that. but i think republican voters will be very interested to know that given the prospects of a third-party candidate. >> first and foremost donald trump doesn't owe you an answer to anything. and if donald trump ends up deciding that he's going to run as a third party that's his decision to do. it's his constitutional right. and it's not your right within which to turn around and to ask him right now because he's the front-runner. >> look i'm a reporter. i can ask him whatever question i want. >> sure. it doesn't mean we have to answer it. but i'm going to say one thing to you, sean. it's okay that they call these people crazies. but when donald trump -- remember who donald trump is. he's a new york real estate

developer. this guy's been in the foxholes. all right? in real estate. which is the toughest real estate in the world for years. and he's won. >> i would say this. >> and the last guy you want to fight with is donald trump. >> putting that aside, i support that he is treated fairly like every other candidate in this republican race. and he said also this week that he's a conservative republican. he deserves to be -- >> he is a republican. >> he deserves to be -- >> as long as he's treated fairly which they are not. >> but if he didn't win and decided to run third party, i would -- i'm just like -- he would be single-handedly -- >> you know donald trump well enough that you would call him and you would explain to him your -- >> i'd give him -- you're right. >> you'd definitely give him his position. but donald trump's no one to play games with. he's no one to play games with. and all of these guys who have no ratings whatsoever they have no poll numbers they're coming after him for grandstanding purposes. >> all right. michael, thank you. steven hayes, always good to see you. and coming up geraldo rivera

charles gasparino, they go head to head over donald trump's rhetoric and influence on the 2016 presidential race. and then later you hear from the man himself. highlights from my recent interview with donald trump. and melissa francis details his wealth and how much is he really worth? $10 billion is a lot of money. find out how much is he really

live from america's news headquarters i'm patricia stark. we're learning more about the victims of thursday night's movie theater shooting in lafayette, louisiana. 33-year-old jillian johnson being described as an artist who ran clothing and art boutiques and played in a rock band. 21-year-old mayci breaux was studying to be a radiology

technician at louisiana state university eunice. both were killed when a gunman opened fire during a showing of the movie "trainwreck." nine others were wounded. meantime president obama arriving in africa. his first stop kenya, which is his late father's homeland. it's obama's first time there as u.s. president. in addition to reuniting with family obama will co-host a business summit and meet with kenya's president. he'll then head to ethiopia. obama will address members of the african union tuesday before returning to washington. i'm patricia stark. now back to "hannity." welcome back to this special edition of "hannity," the trump card. donald trump has stirred up controversy with his comments about illegal immigrants and when he talked about senator john xhk cane his time as prisoner of war. i recently sat down with fox news senior correspondent geraldo rivera and charles gasparino from the fox business network to debate these and other issues. let's take a look. joining us now from the fox business network charles gasparino and the one -- the

only guy in tv that has one name. geraldo. all right. so we have this situation with trump. i like what trump's saying. i agree with him on immigration. i agree with him about our vets. i love what he did to lindsey graham. i thought it was great. >> you agree with him on mccain? >> can he sustain it? >> do you agree with him on mccain? >> only line i didn't like which i thought was wrong -- remember mccain started the fight. if you're going to start a fight, you're going to get hit back. secondly the only thing that i didn't like was the statement where he said "i like guys who didn't get captured." because there's an insinuation there. >> but that's a big thing not to like. that's a big issue. >> i would say -- >> 500 living prisoners of war, that's intense. when they forgive him, i think -- >> you're both ganging up on me. >> it's factually incorrect. >> about what? >> he is a war hero. he said it four times. come on. >> he went back and forth three times. >> trump is not going to bow down charlie, and say it. >> he was arguing in his head

about whether he was a war hero. he's undeniably a war hero. >> agreed. >> i think that's the problem -- >> and should be revered. >> he said that. >> and i don't think -- is there a rape epidemic at the border? i'm not saying there's -- >> there's an epidemic yes. >> there's crime. >> is there a rape epidemic? >> i would argue when you -- >> no. >> hold on it a minute. you listen to those parents who testified before congress this week that lost their loved ones. another sexual assault on a 14-year-old girl this week -- >> i'm awith you on the problem with the border. the problem with donald is he says things that aren't true sometimes. >> like what? >> rape -- he basically said that rapes are going rampant on the border. he said that john mccain is not a war hero. >> you cannot generalize about 11 million people as drug dealers and rapists. >> he didn't say that. >> when statistically that's not the case. >> he said -- >> you can't hang on every horrible anecdote -- >> you can't hang on every anecdote and pretend that's the general rule. >> geraldo, i have been to the

border a dozen times. >> but that's not the issue. >> it is the issue. >> listen you can't -- my view su can't have open borders and a welfare state. i understand that. i get that. that's not what he said. >> remember when rick perry took on the issue of the border down in texas? i went down there. this was the meeting he was supposed to have with obama. i sat through a briefing with officials. since 2008 645,000 crimes -- wait a minute. were committed against texans by illegal immigrants. that is not a small insignificant number. >> and what is donald doing to rick perry right now? a guy -- eviscerating him, making fun of his glasses. >> i agree. i think rick perry did a great job on the border. i disagree with trump. but that's not the point here. >> but there is -- >> it is the point that there's a way to make a point. there's a way to take your issue -- >> why does he have to do it your way? >> because he --

>> we all learn certain civility. certain manners. you can't be inaccurate. you can't paint with a broad brush. i would advise him -- >> rick perry's great. he's a great guy. did a great job. >> donald trump says he's stupid. >> i disagree with donald trump on that. >> i like donald trump a lot. i love him as a businessman. the perseverance of this guy -- >> he's a good family man. >> this guy is a great businessman. but we have to judge him as journalists as you would judge anybody. and you've got to give him -- >> i'm not a journalist i'm a talk show host. >> then be a fair talk show host. >> i'm a loyal friend. >> so am i. and i tell my loyal friend you can accomplish the same result, you can keep all of those anti-illegal immigration voters you can keep all of the voters the military the veterans keep them all, but you say things in a way that -- >> on his accuracy what would you give him? a, b, c, d. i think he's been accurate on immigration. i agree with him.

i think he's been accurate on the horrible treatment of veterans. i agree with him. i would say the one unforced error was the mccain issue and i think it was a great contrast this when he went after lindsey graham and gave out the phone number. that was funny, a better way to handle opposition. >> he's absolutely inaccurate when he attacks the texas governor, when he attacks perry. >> i disagree with him about it. i told you that. >> he's not stupid. he brought the issue of immigration -- >> let's all get together in a room and let them fight it out. >> a different question. >> you would prefer a republican to win than a democrat i assume. you would prefer a republican to win than hillary. >> i'll tell you what i'm looking for. and this is not our first rodeo, geraldo. and what i'm looking for is the most conservative candidate because conservatism works -- >> isn't it fair to say that any one of the 16 is more conservative than hillary clinton? >> yes. >> all right. so you want one of the 16 to prevail over senator, secretary of state hillary clinton. >> mm-hmm. >> don'tthen don't you think that

what trump is doing is damaging tarnishing the brand -- remember the mitt romney circular firing squad? and then when he finally emerged from it he had like his arm was hanging off, his eyeball was coming out. he's like -- >> now -- >> but why do you trust his conservatism? trump wasn't a conservative. >> listen every politician has changed their views -- >> no. he's really flip-flopped on a lot of things. >> but here's my answer to geraldo's question. you asked a very pertinent question. i'm looking for the most conservative person. conservatism works. with an inspiring message. he's inspiring. that can ultimately win. >> why do you trust him to be a efsht? >> the quinnipiac poll he needs to pay attention to it because his net negatives are higher than any other candidate. >> and mounting. >> even as his popularity mounts. >> he's got to deal with it. >> but sean why should conservatives trust donald as a conservative? listen i like the guy, but giving money to hillary and bill. he's been -- you go down -- >> you guys are making me a special -- >> you're saying i like him then you trash him. i like him and then you trash

him. >> it's a journalistic thing. hold him accountable -- >> i am holding him accountable. >> he's not a conservative. >> he's had some severe missteps in the last couple -- and he's not a conservative. >> here's why i think he's good overall for the process. because republicans in washington not republican governors. i think they've done a really good job. republicans in washington are weak and timid and they don't get the job done. they didn't defund obamacare, which is their constitutional authority. they didn't stop executive amnesty. they promised they would. they didn't do it. they ended up funding it. and donald trump has tapped into this vein of distrust and frustration that i feel is -- >> but here's the problem. when you don't -- and it's a real problem. when conservatives and republicans in congress don't do those things you open the door to demagoguery. and i'm not calling donald a demagogue. >> you are so. >> no. >> you're playing gapdsmes with words here. >> i'm not saying he's a demagogue. but he is demagoguing certain issues right now. and that's a problem. >> and one of them is immigration. >> there you go. you just had to light the fuse. >> george w. bush got 44% of the

hiss payne vote. mittt 27%. what would donald trump get? >> coming up you will hear directly from the man who's been making waves in the 2016 presidential race? highlights from my recent interview with donald trump. then later tonight -- >> i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money. i'm not using the lobbyists. i'm not using donors. i don't care. i'm really rich. >> donald trump says he's really rich. but how much is donald trump really worth? and how will it impact his candidacy? plus trump is leading in the polls. but can he really win the republican nomination when all is said and done? all of that and more as this special edition of "hannity" continues. n great gear at bass pro shops. like redhead true fit camo t-shirts starting under $10. ladies' canvas cargo shorts for under $15. and redhead men's finley river shirts for under $15.

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disgrace, that a deal like this could be signed. we had so many advantages. they're going to become a very very rich nation. they're getting billions and billions of dollars. we have our inspecting teams you know unless you've got anytime, anyplace that's what you want. you have to have anytime, anyplace you have to go in there and check. we have to give 28 and 24-day notices. and just look at this deal. it's so ridiculous. not to mention the fact which to me is very important, all of the money that they're getting, sean but how about the four prisoners? why aren't we getting our four prisoners out? kerry said he didn't want to complicate the negotiation by asking for four prisoners. these guys are babies. we have babies. and as you know they're celebrating in the streets of iran. they're going wild in the streets. they made a phenomenal deal. it's just incredible. this is amateur night. i've never seen anything like it. >> what would a president trump have done differently from the outset, and what would be the

parameters of a trump deal? >> well as you know i did read and oftentimes everybody else is telling me you know it's the best book but i did write "the art of the deal." and they didn't write -- and they didn't read it. and i will tell you, it's to me amazing, sean because you look at the basics of what they've done and how they've done it. i would have doubled and tripled up the sanctions very easily. i would have waited for them to call us. i would have said we want the prisoners, by the way, before we even start. they would have given them up in about ten minutes. and believe me we would have had a deal that would have been much better. but what we're doing is just insane. and from everything i read at the end of the term they're going to be able to very easily produce nuclear weapons, which is really the worst of all. i'll tell you, this is a terrible deal for us. this is a potentially catastrophic deal for israel. israel has to be very nervous about what's going on with iran right now. >> let me go back to the issue of immigration, which is i would

argue catapulted you to the top. it's now -- every single candidate is discussing the issue at length and in detail as a result of your position. this drug kingpin el chapo has pretty much threatened you and told you to be quiet. what is your response back to him? >> you know, what i'm bringing up is much more important than donald trump, my life -- frankly what i'm doing is so important for the country, i'm so -- first of all, i appreciate your question the way you worded it because the truth is we wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration if it weren't for me. i talk about mexico because i'm not talking about individuals -- i'm talking about mexico is forcing people in that they don't want and they want us to take care of those people. they want us to put those people in prisoners because they don't want -- if you remember many years ago cuba fidel castro emptied his jails and sent them to us. well in a much more sophisticated way that's what mexico is doing also at the

border. because they don't want the cost. the cost is tremendous. had i not brought immigration up and illegal immigration in particular you wouldn't be talking about it right now. you wouldn't be asking me the question. and now all of the candidates are trying to jump on. but here's the problem. they're weak and they don't understand what to do. and you have to build a wall and you have to have very very strong people there. and you will be able to control it. and i had an idea recently. when they send illegals into our country, we charge mexico $100,000 for every illegal that crosses that border because it's trouble. >> how -- in your consciousness, in your thought process when you were contemplating this run, you see 93 million americans out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty, 46 million on food stamps. how important are those people to you? you know you're a billionaire. read your financial statement today. how important are those americans that are struggling just to survive?

>> very important to me. you look at the labor force, it's ridiculous. they look for a job -- you know the statistics are totally -- i don't know if they're done for some politician. i don't know when this started. but you look for a job, you can't find one, you give up looking for a job, which people have given up. they're great people. they want to work. they want to make good money, and they can't find a job. they're essentially for statistical purposes they're considered employed. so the number doesn't reflect. you know somebody actually last week said we have a 40% unemployment. our country is suffering. we're going down. we have people that are incompetent doing it. and if you have hillary clinton or jeb bush it's going to be more of the same and we're not going to have a country left anymore. >> how bad do you think america in terms of its shape -- you keep talking about making america great again. well that means we're not great right now. how bad -- >> we're not great right now. number one, we lost our number one seed to china. china now is the number one

economic engine. we lost our number one seed to china. that was unthinkable. if you would have gone back six, seven, eight years ago that was unthinkable. no we're not. we have infrastructure that's rotting. sean i travel all over the world. you go to places like anywhere qatar, saudi arabia china, any place, you could name 100 -- you could name 30 places. you've got to see the airports. you've got to see the magnificent roads. you have to see the bridges that they have. we're falling apart. our bridges are falling down. our infrastructure's falling apart. then you see hospitals where they spend 2 billion to build a hospital and they can't open it because it doesn't work. believe me i could turn this country around so fast. and people would love me for it. that's what they want. and that's why i'm leading in the polls. i think. and coming up on this special edition of "hannity" -- >> i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money. i'm not using the lobbyists. i'm not using donors. i don't care. i'm really rich. >> all right. a special report on donald

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but in june trump released a one-page document estimating his wealth at $8.7 billion. however, according to a financial disclosure filed just days ago with the federal election commission, trump detailed a net worth of more than $10 billion, largely comprised of at least 59 different properties including buildings and golf courses, many of which are listed as having a value of more than $50 million each. in addition to his massive portfolio of properties trump has also engaged in multiple business ventures in and out of the world of real estate. while some of these endeavors have been highly profitable, four different trump businesses have actually filed for bankruptcy. personally however, trump has never filed for bankruptcy. although according to a "wall street journal" article quote, after a flirtation with personal bankruptcy in the early '90s he shrewdly derisked his portfolio by focusing on branding and licensing his name. this focus on branding included

his now canceled contract with macy's his multiple-season gig with nbc as host of "the apprentice," of course and importantly many buildings across america that actually bear trump's name are not actually owned by donald trump but a product of his branding enterprise. clever. whether or not donald trump is actually worth $10 billion, one thing is true. by every standard out there donald trump is a very wealthy man. sean back to you. >> all right, melissa, thank you very much. and some of donald trump's republican rivals, they've been coming out strong against him. watch this. >> i don't care if he drops out. stay in the race. just stop being a jackass. you don't have to run for president and be the world's biggest jackass. >> he needs to apologize and refrain from comments like that. >> more over-the-top bombastic rhetoric from donald trump. i don't think he has the character or the temperament to hold the highest position in this country. >> it's not just absurd. it's offensive. it's ridiculous. and i do think it is a

disqualifier as commander in chief. >> mr. trump has every right to have every belief he has. if he's going to run, that's fine. but i don't want to be associated with the kind of vitriol that he's spewing out these days. >> it's inappropriate. the comments were inappropriate. but listen, donald is a friend. i've known him for 13 years. and i like him personally. but his comments were inappropriate. >> here with reaction from the "washington times" charles hurt and republican media strategist rick wilson. charles, what do you think? >> well i think the reaction most people are having to donald trump, that is the voters has been a fantastic response. and i think that's why we're seeing him in the polls doing as well as he's doing. and it's why he keeps getting all of this media attention, all of it earned by him, which is pretty smart for a novice politician. the people who are having the biggest problem with him as you just pointed out, sean are the professional politicians and party leaders because they're seeing their party get sort of

cart add way by a guy and they no longer have any control over any of this and that scares the dickens out of them. >> by the way, i love that the only people that really ultimately have control are the people and they'll decide and there's plenty of time. rick you've been critical of donald trump. and you know i'm listening to these guys criticize each other. th though, every election cycle. that's nothing new to me. that should be nothing new to you, right? >> no. look everyone in politics needs to know that it's a rough game and you play without pads. and donald trump so far, because he's a celebrity and because he's a past master of the media game has been able to basically make it a one-way fight. we're going to get into a position very soon where it's not just going to be donald trump lobs an insult at a candidate and the other candidate lobs back. all these candidates are now tuning up and preparing themselves to go after donald trump's record, to go after the things in his background his details that everybody has to face. he doesn't get a free ride much longer because the campaign's going to get very real very soon -- >> but that's the process. >> he needs to play in the

process. >> yeah i agree. and that's all going to happen. let me go to lindsey graham and john mccain in particular. it was mccain that attacked donald trump and said his supporters are crazies. >> sure. >> lindsey graham called him a jackass. and he fought back. and i've got to be honest. charles, i look at graham and mccain as part of the problem. they didn't repeal or replace o'bamtacare. they didn't control the border. they do do a lot of talking and they don't get a lot done. >> and rick is exactly right. we are going to get into this point where we start talking about issues and it's going to be great. but as what we have seen so far anyway is that donald trump is very good at debating and he's very good at fighting and he's very good at speaking plainly in a way that a lot of voters especially republicans but also independents who are very frustrated with the system frustrated with the professional politicians, he has a way of reaching those voters in a way that none of these professionals know how to do.

and that's a tremendously positive thing for republicans or for conservatives because we need a voice like that. and also he's also talking about vitally important issues like the illegal immigration -- >> quick answer rick. >> -- that we wouldn't be talking about without him. >> good point. rick. >> charles, the problem with that point is he's not really debating right now. he's yelling with a bullhorn. he's got the media following him around because he's sucking up all the oxygen in the room. he's not debating. he's just bellowing. once he starts to actually have to outline procedures policies philosophies and to actually answer for the fact that in his past at least you know he's suddenly a born-again conservative but he has been partial birth -- or pro abortion, pro single payer health care, pro taxes, pro gun control. these are things he's going to have to answer for. and right now he has not. and -- >> and rick i can't wait to hear his answers. and i can't wait to hear his answers. >> i can't either. he's going to get the bark taken off -- >> and he's going to have to answer them. >> as every candidate.

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welcome back to this special edition of "hannity," "the trump card." donald has certainly injected a lot of energy into the 2016 race. so can he ultimately win that nomination? here with reaction fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. former white house press secretary ari fleischer. interesting bit of news. you go back to this time 2007. here's a quiz for both of you. do you know who was winning the nomination? with 33% of -- 2007. >> yeah i think 2007 in the summer it was romney. >> wrong. >> don't know. >> rudy giuliani. 33%. >> you're right. you're right. >> guess who was number 2, can 30%. >> tell me. >> fred thompson. interesting, right? it gives perspective. i would argue the polls really -- they mean something. not everything right now. can he win this race? >> no. and here's why. i've gone back and looked at this. w45u find going back to the days when pat buchanan beat george h.w. bush in the new hampshire

primary, there's always been an anti-establishment element in the republican party. usually it's 20 perks 25%right party. four years ago we saw that with michele bachmann herman cain -- >> newt gingrich. >> a rotating crop of people who moved to the top most of whom were anti-establishment. then it settles out because the candidate field starts to whittle and starts to become a one-on-one or one on two race. the anti-establishment candidate has a ceiling. donald trump has a ceiling. he is has a vociferous following within that ceiling but it's a relatively low ceiling. >> as somebody that wants a revitalized republican party in washington words reagan used in '74, he said it's not a third party we need a revitalized second party, i want the infusion of energy. are you then suggesting that that means it's inevitable that it's an establishment candidate that wins? >> well that's what history shows. you have to go back and show me a time. maybe ronald reagan. was he the -- >> ronald reagan was hated by the establishment. >> that's what i'm saying. ronald reagan might be the exception. but i think you could also make the case the sitting governor of

california wasn't so much anti-. >> he nearly knocked out a sitting president in '76. he came back -- >> but since '80 you can't find a time where that hasn't happened. >> i would agree with you. >> so that's the precedent. >> what do you think, peter? >> i think it's a new paradigm. i don't know whether he can win or not. he's either going to explode in success or flame out in abject failure. but he's doing something that we haven't seen in american politics in a long while. excite the electorate or a portion of the electorate, and also excite the media. now, the media in great part may want him to fail but he's focusing on all the things or a lot of the things that a lot of americans are upset and concerned about in this country, including the political elites. including the inability to tell the truth on everything all the time as someone perceives it to be. so he's channeling a lot of folks that are home tonight and saying you know if i was a

billionaire i'd love that opportunity that he has and to speak in an unfettered way, unafraid. now, we can disagree with whether he's telling the truth or he's not telling the truth. but i think it's a new paradigm that he's creating at this point. >> my analysis of donald trump is that he's willing to fight. and i think republicans in d.c. peter, have been unwilling to fight on these issues. specific issues. immigration. they haven't gotten the job done and built the wall. when you were in the bush white house, we were promised 700 miles of fence. they haven't built it. they built 33 miles and quit. same thing with vets. our vets are treated horribly. >> and that's why i think trump has captured people's imagination and in the process, by the way, he has hurt ted cruz the most because ted wanted to be the voice of the anti-establishment candidate who would say the truth and trump has sucked up a lot of ted's oxygen. >> you think it's too late for him? >> for cruz? >> yeah. >> no i think it still is a

wide open field. anytime you have 16 candidates somebody's going to win iowa with a plurality of about 20%. then you go to new hampshire and the field starts to whittle. the problem for a donald trum. and a ted cruz is once the field shrinks down and you're only dealing now with a few candidates not 16 a slice of the party's not big enough. you have to be the coalition builder. donald trump doesn't have the ability to be a coalition builder. >> you're saying the math doesn't add up. >> that's as simple as that. >> but it did add up for reagan. >> but the math hasn't worked out for anybody in this campaign in terms of mr. bush. the perception was that everyone was going to fall out of the way. it didn't happen. >> it was never that perception. >> rand paul was going to be the truth teller. ted cruz was going to be the truth teller. chris christie was going to be the truth teller. unfettered unfettered unimpeded. and so trump has captured people's imagination, as you say, in a way that we haven't seen. something that i absolutely think is wrong and pernicious and he's taken back a lot of it

we don't need that in our politics but there's a lot that we do. here's exposed the corruption of republicans and democrats. he's basically said i was part of the problem, i bought and sold these people coming from the white house and down and that's not what we should have in this country. >> he's also highlighted they failed. they failed to secure the borders. >> republicans and democrats. >> they have failed. not one person's been held accountable to the va scandal. >> yeah. >> institutionalize corruption. >> and let me make it clear. i know him. i've represented him. i disagree with him at times. i've told him i disagree with him. but i think it's an exciting opportunity for a lot of americans to have their voices heard when it's not being heard. >> that's true. good to see you both. and coming up more "hannity" right after this break. ach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief. try gaviscon®.

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