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give him one more chance. >> we have never had you as a presidential candidate. >> that is true. i guess i have to be careful in what i say. that doesn't work well. >> we have not seen you in the headlines much lately. many are calling for an investigation into planned parenthood. you are looking at a rally. this is sparked by undercover

officials. shannon is live from capitol hill with more. it is a hot sunny day. they are coming together with a rally supposed to start in 45 minutes. i am looking at the capital on the grounds. a number of lawmakers will be here to take about what is going on. they are referenceing the video saying it is proof planned parenthood should be investigated and stripped of planned parenthood. planned parenthood said the price is about getting rebim reimbursed for transfer and procuring the tissue. the purpose is to draw attention to the videos and pressure to strip all government funding since they have received $4 billion over the last decade.

senator rand paul is offering a stand alone measure. he will tell us what it will go to a vote. i can give you a little scoop. he is going to call on i believe hillary clinton to deannounce planned parenthood and say if she will give back money they gave her. and diane black is offering up all federal funding on planned parenthood so congress can investigate. there is new video with aborted fetal parts shown in detail looping along with a tissue buyer going through the remains and talking about prices. also a woman hired by one of it

company says she was never told before showing up on the job what she was going to be doing. she said it was so graphic she fainted on her first day. stem express said they pride their selves on complying with all laws. >> we will be watching that. and great reporting. if you want more of what shannon has been reporting you can go to foxnews.com. she has great pieces. i want to go to you first opon this one. you don't have to be pro-life to be horrified by this story. do you see congress moving in the direction to defund this? and republicans joining with democrats? >> i think if a person cannot watch these videos and be disgusted to the point they think they should never get a

dime of taxpayer money they have a conscious that has been seared. a person who labels themselves pro-choice would have to be disgusted by the discussion of trading body parts like trading the parts of a buick. i saw this today and you cannot so it on television because it is so graphic, but if people can watch that and say i am okay with that then i am not okay with them. there is something terribly wrong with them. here is what i hope happens. in addition oo the discussion of defunding planned parenthood, we need to open the discussion bigger to talk about the time is it time after 42 years of unrestricted abortion and 60 billion unborn children taken is it time to say this is genocide?

this is a form of something that is not civilized and doesn't belong among people that call themselves civilized? we have to stop ending lives for economic purposes or social disruption. >> a lot of the workers there didn't know these practices were going on. it also seems to me the patients the women didn't know -- >> that was one of my considerations. and i am sure supporters of planned parenthood can say aside from terminating pregnancy there are a lot of services they provide but this is a wonderful example of how the private market can fund its own needs. i don't think i don't think -- i am a cold hearted libertarian and i don't think it is a function of the government or

federal agency to help. i cannot imagine there are women out there who had procedures at planned parenthood have knowingly gone through them realizing the end result. >> which is atrocious. i don't think a lot of women knew this. it is not creditable when planned parenthood said they never profited off the sale of baby parts when they are discussing it at these lunches. i want to go to you on the money point. these clinics are getting an average of over $700,000 from taxpayers and i know coca-cola and and and and others. >> they had a list of fortune 500 companies as major donors and ford and xerox came forward saying we are not and we will

not match employee donations even. we have the government funding the organization but private businesses saying we don't want anything to do with it to the point where corporate sponsors are lining up to be taken off the list. >> i don't want to gloss over the reimbursement for cost. that is how you hide things. they did something illegally and would be better off owning it and moving on. >> we will watch this story and rally. secretary of state john kerry and company getting grilled on capitol hill trying to sell the iran deal. and governor mike huckabee will respond about the controversial comment he played about the deal getting press. and hillary clinton's e-mails are being released and is this the best approach to go on attack? and "outnumbered" overtime. it is magical and fun.

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rejecting the deal. and mike huckabee is standing by comments he made likening the agreement like leading israelis to the door of the oven. >> the particular comments of mr. huckabee are, i think part of just a general pattern we have seen that is -- would be considered ridiculous if it were not so sad. >> this steps over the line. it should be reputed by everything person of good faith and concern on the facts and within suitable boundaries. >> jeb, hillary president

obama, and i am watching your reaction. do you stand by your comments? >> absolutely i do. it wasn't me. it was the iranians who invoked the term holocaust. their own government tweeted out saying we have development missiles which will deliver israel into a holocaust. their government was the one that said it is great. they are all in one place and we don't have to chase them all over the world. it was their government that repeatedly said they will annihilate israel. they are coming after us. when someone is continually saying they will kill you you better start taking it seriously. chamberland celebrated this deal with the nazis and comes back saying peace for our time. we don't need another chamberland. we need a churchill who

recognizes a choice between war and dishonor and he chose war. everyone condemned him for saying that but his position finally recognized six million jews were being murdered and 11 million people. it was too late before someone woke up and understood 20 years before when hitler wrote mind comp he meant it. >> are you surprised by the reaction you are getting from members of your own party? >> no, everybody wants to be kind and polite. but when you are talking about murdering an entire group of people there is no polite way to talk about that. we need to be bold clear and we need to say it is unacceptable to enter into a so-called peace deal with war mong mongers who say they want to kill an entire group of people.

>> are you saying the american president who invades iran, is going to be churchill in this a analogy? >> i don't think if he is going to war. >> are you selling the war? >> obama said two choices. my deal and war. let me give you a third one -- >> you made the churchill-cham churchill-chamberland comment. >> we should take the russians iranians and saudi arabians out of the energy business. if they don't have any money it is hard to build a bomb. be just turned lose $120 billion to the iranians so they can by conventional weapons which is not restricted.

they get no restrictions. we still have hostages over there. >> $150 billion should have gotten our hostages back. they argue they need to explore nuclear energy. why wouldn't the president look at it here for the united states? >> amen. >> and this floods with the market with the fossil fuel obama allegedly detest. >> but i think that is the more powerful argument for you. i think the rhetoric you have been condemned for by the jewish community -- >> the jewish community did not condemn you -- >> there are several jewish organizations who said your history may be right but the rhetoric is faulty. but the point is -- >> i had overwhelming support

from holocaust survivors and the children and grandchildren of holocaust survivors. the reliable left wing democratic voices like the adl has condemned me but what are they going to say? >> how do you feel when the president calls you out by name on the national stage? you think you are in the game? >> i thought i was all along. >> what did you think? >> it took him forever to get the words out. it is not hard to share what i believe for me. i am passionate about it. i have been to the camps three times and never had a more sobering gut punch feeling in my life in standing at the point where 1.1 people were murdered by a death factory. i don't want to standby and see it happen again. i don't want to stand by seeing jews getting targeted because if

they come after them they will come after all of us. it ended horrible before because people didn't take the threats that seriously. >> president obama and hillary clinton had harshing rhetoric for you than the mullahs. they attacked you more than them for saying death to america and death to israel. i didn't think the president's response refuted what they were saying. he said it was sad. there was no area to expand. you are making a good point. it is clear the iranians want israel wiped off the map. >> it is not one-sided. if you remember joe biden standing in front of an african congration saying the republicans want to throw you back in chains. this happens on both sides. >> john kerry still have a tough sale here so we will see what happens. our secretary of defense vowing

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hello there and welcome back. ash carter viewing to defeat isis adding: >> we will beat isis. civilization will win out over evil. the powerful against the few. we will win. but the important thing is to win in a way that sticks. our own experience in iraq tells us in order to have victories stick we need to have capable local forces that can govern

people in a way they want to be governed so they don't give it away. >> syrian president admitting regime forces are struggling against isis with troops conceding in certain areas. governor if you become president huckabee how do you dole with isis and how do you make it stick? >> we should have armed the kurds and we should go do that. we sent the weapon do is the iraqi government and they kept them. that resulted in the deaths of many thousands of people. arm the kurds. secretary thing cut off their supply lines. we have have the technology. we are flying dozens of planes we should fly hundreds if not thousands, and every time there is an isis truck or tank with

weaponry or people it gets blown up. >> quickly, between the kurds and the turks who do you chose? >> the kurds. they are american loving people and never asked us to fight their battles for them. they have consistently said they want to be armed so they can fight their own battles. >> one of the problems is the end game when we go into the middle east. i think that is part of the frustration. it sounds like peace forever, which we learned is not possible but we need to know what we are aiming toward. i talked to generals who is we are looking for stability with core values and some think that means democracy, others think human rights. what is the end goal? >> i don't think it is democracy because their culture doesn't

end itself to that. i think we are kidding if we think democracy is like a pair of jeans. we have to have a moral bases for believing there is a quality of people which a lot of people don't believe, and have to believe we are responsible for self-governing. a lot of cultures don't believe that. you will never have this -- >> what are we working toward? >> stability. >> and that is it? >> stability and hopefully he is not evil and if he is he is overthrown boy a dictator. >> there are other candidates in the 2016 field talking about nation building. they are talking about exporting democracy and we have seen that doesn't work. i am glad you are taking that stance. we partnered with stalin to

defeat the nazis. why are we not working more are assad? he has the syrian army on the ground. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. why are we not working with assad to defeat isis? >> the same reason we thought we could trust the mustlim brotherhood in egypt. >> the muslim brotherhood is a little different. >> it comes back to the issue of the regime. >> assad is not a threat to the united states of america. >> frankly, i think he would now trade downplaying his threat just to have some peace because ultimately this whole region existed with a relative calm over the last 40 years because everyone realized whether it was the jordanians or saudi arabians

to realize it wasn't in the best interest to have a middle east war. now people in the region are destined to want a full middle east war. >> isis is gaining more and more territory and assad is conceding on some. >> at one point iran is the enemy and we have to deal with iran and they are in bed with syria and it is so confusing: . >> it is like taking all of these people and putting them in a blender. >> and kennedy is mixing it with coconut tequila. a top administrator is calling on the obama administration to fire the leader of the irs claiming the

commissioner obstructed the investigation into whether tea party groups were unfairly targeted >> you cannot come to congress and give false statements and keep your job. he lied to congress. he should be fired. >> is he going to be? >> congress has remedies and needs to get more aggressive. >what? >> we may hold him in contempt and maybe we are exploring impeaching the commissioner. >> the irs issuing a statement saying the agency and commissioner have been cooperative and truthful throughout the investigation. when you look at the details, so the server was destroyed, then they went and found backup tapes and everyone thought they would find information then. in march of 2014 the tapes were

destroyed. what is the next step? >> it is not getting rid of the irs commissioner. let's pass the fair tax and get rid of the irs completely >> that is not the next step in this. >> i like that. >> it gets rid of the non-sense. >> and you pay tax of consumption and that is the only thing that fixes it. the irs is a rogue agency and a criminal enterprise. it is one agency of government that can launch an investigation, conduct the investigation, come stooto findings and assess the penalty. it is a one-stop shop. they have to go. >> why wouldn't you support or maybe you do support a flat tax over a fair tax? i say tat because we have seen fair taxes before become a feeding frenzy for lobbiest.

you had taxes on large marshmallows but not small ones. >> the flat tax is a flat tax on consumption. it is not assessed at productivity. you never punish someone for working, saving making a profit or inheriting something. you pay the taxes when you buy something. why would we punish productivity productivity? you make a bad decision you can write it off in your taxes. isn't that the opposite of what we teach the children? reward you for good behavior and punish grow bad behavior. >> you think consumeing is bad behavior? >> it is a choice i make. i chose to consume. i should not be punished for producing something because that is what builds the economy. >> you know that is never going to happen in this economy.

we would never get rid of the irs. i want to get back to this. in this scandal, what comes next? a lot of people feel like something illegal happened and no one is going to pay for. >> they will not in this administration because you have a justice department that i believe has been told do not follow this trail. but the next president will be able to instruct the justice department and the attorney general to follow this to the conclusion and find out where the criminal activity if any -- >> at the least you are saying the commissioner should go? >> of course he should go. >> the house committee investigation into the deadly terror attack in benghazi said the state department is handing over thousands of pages of new documents today. we are told they don't involve hillary clinton's e-mail but the latest controversy of her e-mail has provided republican opponents with a new opportunity to attack her. is that the right approach?

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welcome back to "outnumbered." new documents related to the terror attack in againbenghazi that killed four americans is set to be released today. the house committee said the state department pledged to hand over 5,000 pages but we are told they don't include e-mails involving then secretary of state clinton but comes days after the camp announced she will testify in october about the attacked and scandal. all of this presenting republican presidential candidates with a new opportunity to attack the democratic front-runner. as "the new york times" points out not avenue withineveryone is taking the same approach. some are calling to investigate hillary and others are staying quite. what is your strategy?

>> i think republicans have to be careful not to overplay their hand and make it look like an attack on her. this is a pursuit were the truth. people like charles woods the father of tyrone woods one of the mother murdered in benghazi deserves to know what happened to his son last night. >> specifically how? do you paint her as not being compe competent for not beefing up security? ignoring the warning signs? for not getting the dod involved? she was on the phone with the secretary of defense that night. where specifically do you hit her on this. >> i think you ask why an american ambassador called for her four times and nothing was done. every american has the right to know. the one thing an american soldier or diplomat needs to be

is if he or she is in trouble anywhere in the world they can make the call and not be left behind. it is a number one principle of honor this county affords them overseas. if the military no longer believes and knows that we have decimated the essence of what they stand for. >> do you agree with what "the new york times" said that she benefits from being cast the role of victim? this is where so many other opponents have gone wrong in the past. does that fit in your mind? >> the best way to deal with hillary clinton scandals is making sure they get oxygen because the fire burns on its own. just give it air. >> your opponents smoother it. what is going on that so many people sit around seeing the flaws and failures but nothing sticks to her? >> it is largely because the

media will protect her always. >> she doesn't feel that way. she complains about the media all of the time. >> how many candidates could put the president on the other side of the rope? >> i don't think she got away with it. i am no hillary supporter. >> it is death by a thousands cuts not a single stroke. there is the feeling it is the clinton's. >> friends of yours? >> i have known them forever. every race i ran was run against the political machine they built. i understand how they work the political operations that will be tough to come against but i know it can be defeated because i am sitting here as a result. >> dare i insert donald trump in the conversation. you will notice he has stayed away from hillary clinton.

if you have not noticed, it doesn't come up. i wonder if this is part of his strong strategy? >> i don't know. he doesn't ask me for political advice. i don't think we are making a big deal unless she attacks me. i am not sitting around firing off anti-hillary messages. >> i know you are a political animal and it is your jungle and you thrive here. donald trump is ahead with 24% in new hampshire. jeb only has 12%. can he get the nomination and how does he beat hillary? >> donald trump or jeb? >> donald trump is a legit candidate catching fire with a lot of people. it is a long process. eight years ago, at the end of july in 2007 rudy was winning,

mccain was the fourth and i was in the bottom three people registering at 1%. i ended up coming in second mccain first, and rudy never dbit another delegate after $60 million. >> are you altering your rhetoric or do you run differently against females? >> i think you have to be careful. there is a line. if you act like you are pushing too hard you look like a bully. but afraid to engage you look like a whimp and you cannot be either one. >> either one is a good label to wear. christianity is at the center of a legal dispute between a school district and a student. but when prayer opens an optional assembly does it violate a student's right still? we will debate that.

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but first to jenna lee on the second hour of "happening now." >> john kerry is getting tough questions insisting the deal is a good one. campaign is in full swing and chris christie is holding a town hall in new hampshire and carly fiorina is climbing in the polls hoping to be nuincluded in the first debate. we are live with her aggressive foreign policy. that is all coming up next. ssippi school district is being fined $7500 for opening an assembly with prayer and handing out babel bibles to the fifth graders. the district was ordered to stop

before but lawyers were not mand tarry and it is said they didn't violate the rules because of that. governor, isn't this another example of why we need more school choice? >> school choice is part of it. religious liberty is the foundation of freedom and we are attempting to squelch it in every way. the idea is to give more air to as many beliefs as people have. i was growing up when we had prayer at the first of the day bible reading, pledge of allegiance and prayed on to the lunch room -- >> in public school? >> in public school. people are getting wrapped up and said if someone wants to pray they can. no one is going tomake -- to

make you. >> i am more shocked they were allowing a symbol that honored students scoring a 22 or higher on the act. what about those who didn't get a 22? they should have their own ordinary assembly. i am serious. in this day and age there are honors -- >> everybody gets a trophy. >> i combined prayer with testing in schools because i did so much prayer because i didn't do a lot of homework. >> that is hard to believe. >> i was busy working. >> you do tons of homework now. >> did he come through for you? >> sometimes. sometimes he said you are on our own. >> this reminds me of how sensitive we have gotten. it is amazing people are

protesting this. don't we have other things to do? i can hardly find time to help the kids are lunch and getting everything ready. no one is being forced. at the same time there is a lot of ideas that they put into the kid's head and they come home and i am sorting through. my son is recycling everything on earth. a lot of ideas go on and it is your job as the parent to sort through them. the idea of introducing god is not terrible -- >> if you have a school where that is the focus parents should have the right to do that but we don't. we are essentially forced into two systems. one for the have for private school is expensive and the rest of us where you send your kid to public school and hope for the best. >> it was not a mandatory

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