bad pot. >> correct. bad pot. last question. of all those german amateur art films that you order overseas through amsterdam, which one is your favorite? >> wait a second. is this lou dobbs? they are the lone wolves of terror. >> in the animal world you have packs of wolves but you also have individuals that hunt alone. >> radicalized and hellbent on murder. >> terrorism came to my front door and took my son. >> brown jumped out of the car and shot at him 10 times. >> now charged with terror. in chattanooga an american attacks the u.s. military. >> we heard boom boom boom. >> that subject soon made his cowardly homicidal intent clear. >> when you get away from

scripture, this is what happens. >> the debate rages, is it murder, violent extremism or terrorism. >> they operate completely out side the cell struck. >> now, from studio j at fox news headquarters, here is greta van susteren. >> the threat of lone wolf terrorism is on everyone's mind. new and old threats against the u.s. at their own home. this type of terrorism is not new. looking at the history of lone wolf attack is around the world. >> lone wofs, by and large, are individuals that are inspire d ideologically but may not have a formal connection to a trift organization. >> frank cilluffo is the director of the homeland terrorism policy institute of washington university and investigated lone wolf trifts.

>> that's why they're the most difficult case because they're not necessarily under trift surveillance and acting with known trift organizations and affilia affiliates. >> the director of national intelligence, james clapper, spoke about the radicalization of lone wolves. >> the problem for us in intelligence the way people radicalize on their own or social media, where they don't leave a significant, publicly, there are now investigations in every one of the 50 states. this is a real worry, a real concern for us. >> the first time i remember really discussing lone wolves is with the so-called unabomber, ted kosinski. timothy mcveigh was one of the first so-called lone wolves. with the d.c. sniper that is clearly a lone case. >> in 2002, the beltway sniper

attacks terrorized the nation's capitol. >> i was working at the white house on counter-terrorism issues. it clearly had a significant psychological effect. >> this man, john muhammad along with lee malveaux that 13 people from a caprice in the d.c. area. >> the seat of the car actually lifts so they were able to crawl into the trunk and shoot without ever leaving the vehicle. >> clearly, john allen muhammad was ideologically motivated. >> muhammad wasn't a member of a trift organization but he was motivated by his hatred for america. after the two were captured in october 2002, mall show testifi r -- malveaux testified the plan was to kill six whites a day for a month. as for malveaux himself, he drew extremist sketches while

awaiting trial. today, the internet is indispensable for locating lone wolves. >> it is very positive and isolated dark corners. >> there are ominous clouds gathering in your horizon. >> anwar awlaki inspired thousands. >> america as a whole has turned into evil. >> one follower was this woman from east london. in the uk, lone wolves are sometimes referred to as nike trifts or just do it jihadis. downloading more than 100 hours of awlaki's sermons and she h d heeded the call. she tried to kill member of parliament as he met with his constituents. these security images show her just before the attack, then taking out the knife before being tackled by a bodyguard. tism was wound but survived. >> this was a young woman

inspired ideologically on the internet and acted on her views. >> she wasn't the only individual who was inspired online and then acted as a lone wolfe. >> obviously, at the top of the lift is nadal hasan. >> army major nadal hasan was a loner looking for religious guidance. she was also inspired by laucky and he sent the cleric 18 e-mails. at some point he turned into a lone wolf and bought an automatic pistol and large amount of ammunition. on november 5th, 2009 he opened fire on fort hood killing 13 and wounding 30 others. >> he was clearly ideologically motivated an act of jih jihadist-based terrorism. >> now locked up in the disciplinary barracks of fort leaven, kansas he awaits his death sentence. awlaki may have played a role in

the terror attacks in chattanooga tennessee. >> the poison bounce is around the internet. >> everyone thought this was a normal boy next door. after he killed five servicemen on july 16th, authorities revealed they had found evidence he had been watching awlaki videos as well. >> we don't know yet. we're still coming through his life. >> and the terror group isis has called for lone wolf attacks. >> they are playing a psychological game and we have to call them what they are, rats. >> joining us, first to you, does isis have standing order on the internet to kill? >> yes. they've done it by name, in some cases they collected the name off these penetrations off the internet. they actually named the families of members of certain units in norfolk, virginia. and egg lund air force base.

it's not just a lone wolf problem. these are solo jihadis. for whatever reason the administration can't call them radical islamists. they should but they don't. orders have been issued to kill american policemen and military personnel and their dependents and that's what we're seeing happen. >> one of the key things we're seeing now with this standing order it's really up to the discretion of the operatives with this time, practiclace andd of attack they think they will have the most success. that means there's no phone call or text saying today is today and what makes disrupting these plots so difficult for the fbi. >> frank, you have a direct order, but far more devastating or sneakier thing, the inspiration. >> sure. >> that's dangerous. >> the single common denominator of all these cases is the ideology. the jihadi ideology in particular. we are seeing much more of what

you referr to as do it yourself jihad. they're putting out the objective and up to others to figure out how to achieve that objective. i think colonel north touched on something that's important. before you can get to a pr prognos prognosis, you have to diagnose it correctly. reality is we are dealing with a threat in this country and we have to acknowledge that and start handling it. >> how do we stop it? all sit and comb the internet? the fbi spends a lot of time on the internet. >> a lot of things you can do as to force protection we're not doing. you have to decapitate the snake. reality is young people have been motivated, some not so young, some a bit older to join this effort because of this success that isis has enjoyed and before that it was al qaeda. it doesn't matter what they call themselves, they can call themselves al shabab, sayef, al qaeda, the philosophy, as frank

just pointed out that motivates people to do it and furthermore the success. if you want to stop the problem right away, decapitate it, no safe havens for any of them particularly in places like syria and libya. >> what i hear antidotally from law enforcement is they see a revolution going on in the internet. this generation grown up with social network and social media is able to establish a contact online intimate helps them get over the violence. and pre-9/11 you had to have contact. if you look at the majority of cases, it's not an accident the average age of the suspect is 24 years old. this is the target generation grown up in this new digital test jihad. >> it this is internet? >> the internet plays a role in facilitating not only spreading propaganda, jihadist eulogy but trade craft purposes and the

difference between al qaeda and what we're seeing between isis today is the means they are using to facilitate this information. think of al qaeda as blair witc hrh project and think of isis as hollywood and x-box and it's fast and we have to do more to push back. >> one final idea you hear from the fbi a decade ago it would sometimes take a year to 18 months to get radicalized and committing an act of violence. what you hear from fbi director comey is the flash to bang can be a matter of weeks or even days. coming up next, the attack on our military at chattanooga. it shocked the nation. who was this man and could he have been stopped?

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four marines and one navy sailor gunned down in chattanooga by a lone wolf triftrif terrorist. surprising information about the shooter. >> saw the silver convertible mustang. he was unloading some type of large rifle. >> i heard boom boom boom. >> i saw people from all the businesses around here running toward the national guard facility. lots of noises. lots of cars going every direction. he put another 10 or 20 in this window. he backed up, took off, came around here and went on the highway. >> i know he had saw me and i didn't want the get hit so i pulled off. >> it was another terrorist attack on american soil. july 16th in chattanooga, tennessee. the killer was this man,

24-year-old muhammad youssef abdulazeez. he had been living in the river city since he was 6 years old. >> reporter: what kind of kid was he? how did you know him? >> he was a nice kid growing up, knew him from edadolescence and never caused trouble in the neighborhood. >> reporter: he seemed like any boy in tennessee and often referred to himself as the arabian redneck. >> we used to ride go-karts and play x-box. >> it was really a nice family. i was really surprised anything would happen especially from there. we knew the mom and dad real well. >> reporter: but there were problems in the household. in february, 2009, muhammad's mother filed for divorce from her husband citing verbal and physical abuse. she later withdrew the complaints after the elder abkhazia agreed to counseliling

and he had ties to terrorist watch lists. >> reporter: the college grad with an engineer degree began to change. his diaries show as early as 2013 he was thinking about is m islamic martyr dom and in 2014 he traveled to jordan several months where he stayed with his uncle. >> the investigation is ongoing and the uncle in jordan has been detained and is being questioned. >> reporter: friends of his who didn't want to be on camera said while he hated isis he began to change after his trip and say he learned more about his palestinian background and was enlightened about who he was and came from. >> this is something he evolved into, sort of a radicalized some way. >> reporter: muhammad also apparently was watching online video s of the deceased cleric

anwar awlaki. >> we will look at all his tools including social media online and want to know his thoughts and who he was associating with at the time. >> reporter: reports are his conversion was debt, depression and alcohol abuse and a dui arrest earlier this year in april and practicing his gun skills at this gun range in the hills of chattanooga. he came here with his friends to shoot guns on multiple occasions perhaps the reason unlike gun clubs many of whom only allow handguns here, you can fire a long rifle. >> reporter: on july 16th, the skills he learned there were put to use. that day, muhammad first drove to the armed forces career center and began shooting. fred fletcher, chattanooga police chief, spoke of the response. >> when the call call in out of

a gunman -- call came out of a gunman, police officers immediately responded. >> reporter: muhammad drove seven miles to the reserve center. >> police officers immediately started chasing that vehicle between the first and second locations. >> reporter: at the reserve center 20 personnel were on duty and those working weren't authorized to carry weapons. a heavily armed muhammad opened fire. >> eventually officers encountered the suspect at the second location. they engaged that person that gunman immediately aggressively. >> reporter: muhammad killed four mariners working at the second location, gunnery sergeant thomas sullivan, staff sergeant david wyatt and holmquist and wells and another died two days later. the terrorist was shot by law enforcement on the scene. >> crazy to hear about in your hometown, not only in your hometown but someone you went to

school with. we're all pretty shocked. >> reporter: chattanooga and the entire nation mourned the fa fallen. >> these people are here to recruit to herm make our army and navy and marine corps stronger and unfortunate they have to take losses on their own soil. >> i firmly believe all mitt institutions in this country need to be armed. >> i'm at a loss for words upon why would you hurt your own protect protectors. >> reporter: fellow servicemen and women also grieved. >> when you're in this military, sometimes it does feel like the rest of the nation is not behind you, not only is our community strong, but people respect what we do. >> so was the shooter abdulazeez a terrorist, shooter or just dera deranged?

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the attack in chattanooga, killing five members of our military. how could this vicious attack take place on our soil against our military? i'm back with the panel. frank, you listen to the description, everyone says he's a nice kid and neighbor. then he kills five of our military and guns them down. >> clearly, he's a terrorist. at the end of the day, one of the things we want to get more information on given it's an ongoing investigation, whether or not he was further radicalized when he traveled overs overseas. this is one of those unanswered questions vis-a-vis the brothers

that traveled in chechnya, at least the older brother point of view we have 250 americans who have either traveled or attem attempted to travel to fight alongside isis in iraq and syria. those are big numbers. at some point they come home. this is something europe is finding is obviously a major security concern and something we need to be concerned about. >> kathryn, he was a normal kid playing x-box, nice kid in this neighborhood and has parents who have domestic troubles but lots of young people have that problem, parents divorced. right. >> something happened. >> let's be clear who the victim was in this. the victim were the five service members, not abdulazeez. he was reading and viewing the sermons of the american clearic anwar awlaki online. there are only two groups from my experience that look at the cleric's videos, fbi investigators trying to find terrorists and terrorists vi viewing the videos.

what we heard from some members of law enforcement, they were trying to ups why he was viewing the videos. they should not be disconnecting the dots here. it's clear you only view these videos if you're already radicalized or you're on your way and looking for affirmation that violence is the right way to go. >> aly, explain to me, please, this business about not arming our installations here. they're sitting ducks. everybody knows in the world they're unarmed in the united states. they're sitting ducks. >> let me make an important point kathryn and frank said. only two ways to stop a terrorist attack. interfere with the terrorist about to conduct it, whether one or more terrorists. number two, harden the site enough. let me read to you. there's been a lot of bad things about the obama administration what they failed to do. i'm no fan of the obama administration. dated 1 april, 2011. important point, 15 pages long,

here it is. qualified personnel shall be armed when required for assigned duties and there is reasonable expectation d.o.d.'s property or personnel lines or assets are jeopardize if personnel are not armed. further, the overriding factors determining whether or not to arm them is mission and threat. here's what that means in this short form. command commanders, you will protect your troops. now, i'm not trying to make this personal. when my wife and children and i were targeted for assassination, the department of defense picked us up, moved us from our home and hid us in mitt tarry installation and we went back with 30 federal agents. every military organization is a threat. why commanders aren't -- >> why aren't they? kathryn is reporting how the military are being threatened on the internet and we know they're being threatened. >> therefore it's not the obama's administration doing this, guys wearing blue and

green suits to work and stars on their surelied ehoulders where begin. >> when you look at this particular issue with the military, people say we don't quite understand abdulazeez and his objective. he went to a military institution and he sprayed it. if his objective was to spray as many people as possible he would have spray aid long that strip wall. then he stopped and went to another military target. >> seven miles away. >> that's right. >> this takes premedication, determination and a mission. not an accident. to suggest it's not understood what his goal was and target was is disingenuous. >> can i pick up on that. isis spokesperson actually put out an actual message, thou shalt attack military personnel and law enforcement. law enforcement are also specific targets here. one thing we've seen is not only how they utilize social media to

propagate their propaganda but using to it do counter-intelligence on the good guys. >> why was this kid in the environment he grew up in, a kid at a neighborhood barbecue one day and something different the next day. why was he so susceptible to being radicalized? >> a lot of unresponse to the. no single path other than the ideology. once he's viewing videos regularly whether anwar awlaki or like-minded individuals, that should have been enough. >> to predict the next attack and there will be another attack is almost impossible. great to build the profile, 24 years old average, probably an engineering math or science student, those kinds of things. the reality of it is there will be more attacks. the smart thing to do is protect the people who will be the targets. we know the targets are the

people wearing uniforms. >> go after the bad guys. >> absolutely. put them away. >> about a quarter of the cases are connected to this american cleric, awlaki. our reporting at fox news has shown in 2002, the fbi had him and let him go. think how history would have been different not only in chattanooga, tennessee but also fort hood in texas. coming up, lone wolfe attacks in america and one man's cross-country trail of terror that cost 4 innocent people their lives. stay with us. [laughs] irresistible moments deserve irresistibles treats. [meows] new from meow mix with real salmon chicken or tuna. the only treat cats ask for by name.

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live from america's headquarters, i'm kelly wright. dozens of wildfires raging in california with thousands fl fleeing their homes, governor jerry brown declaring a state of emergency and activating the

national guard. the largest fire is north of san francisco. it scorched 71 square miles so far and shows no signs of sl slowing down. more than two dozen homes have been destroyed. another 5,000 are threatened. a new month but little change in the level of crime in baltimore. the first two days of august seeing 11 shootings, two of them fatal, 45 people were killed in july. the most in a single month since 1972. the city's acting police commissioner today announced the creation of the baltimore federal homicide task force to deal with increasing violence. i'm kelly wright. now, back to "greta investigatoinvestigato investigates." >> welcome back to "lone wolves enemies among us." four young men picked at random and murdered by an american-born self-proclaimed american jih

jihadist. the greta investigation team has been on this from the beginning. now the accused killer is charged with terrorism. >> in the early morning hours of june 26th, 2014, the body of a 19-year-old livingston, new jersey resident, was found shot to death in the family's jeep. the suv had been abandoned here in west orange, new jersey. home for the summer after his freshman year at the university of richmond, in virginia, the popular student and lacrosse player had been shot eight times. >> when brendon's body was found, it was collapsed into the floor of the passenger seat. >> pulitzer prize nominee, mark diano is a veteran reporter for the "star-ledger" newspaper. >> this crime that happened here is shocking in its location, to many people. >> it was on the athletic field at seton hall prep school where

br brendan had attended high school i met up with his grieving parents. brendan had spent the evening at a friend's house in west orange that faithfteful night and text his mother he was on his way home. >> what time did you get the text about? >> 11:32. >> four hours later, police knocked on their front door. >> i just could see on his face. i think i grabbed him and said, oh, no. no, not brendan. he said, yeah. it's brendan. he was murdered. >> the murder of brendan tevli, n had the police baffled. >> they didn't know what happened. >> what no one knew was a self-proclaimed jihadist had taken refuge surrounding the multi-million dollar homes of west orange. >> living in a makeshift camp was 29-year-old aly muhammad brown. brown is a convicted sex

offender with direct ties to a terror camp and radical islam t islamists in the pacific northwest. >> no one knows how but on june 29th he somehow made his way to point pleasant beach some 60 miles west of west orange. >> he attempted to carjack a man by the coffee shop. he pulled him out and jumped in the car and realized he couldn't drive a stick shift. >> he was caught where he left behind a bag in the men's room with a 9 millimeter ammunition cartridge and fingerprints. somehow he made his way back to west orange and robbed a man at crest apartments. >> that's when police began to search the ridge up there and apprehended him then. >> it was then brown made a s n stunning confession and said he picked brendan random at this intersection as he waited at the traffic light. he had pulled up with two other men. >> brown jumped out of the car, went to the passenger side and

simply opened fire on him and shott him 10 times and hit him eight times. >> brown described himself to police as a devout muslim and said the murder was a just kill unquote as pay back for the united states involvement in this middle east. august 12th, 2014, authorities announced the arrest of brown and two accomplices. 19-year-old jeremy and 18-year-old eric williams for the murder of brandon tevlin. prosecutors later dropped the murder charges of the two younger men but in the first in the state of new jersey brown is being charged with terrific in addition to murder and host of other offenses. when they took a closer look at brown's background, they realized they had seen just the tip of the iceberg. ballistics testing linked brown's handgun to three previous homicides all three on the other side of the country in seattle, washington. the night of april 27, 2014,

30-year-old leroy henderson w k walked home in the skyway section of seattle when he was murdered in a hail of 10 bull bullets. one month later early in the morning of june 1st, two men were murdered in the neighborhood of leshi. >> terrorism came to my front door and took my son. >> his mother and grandmother shared memories of the young man. >> he was the son that everybody wanted to have. he didn't wait for opportunities to come to him. he created his own opportunities. >> as he grew into his own, he was struggling with his sexuality and he came out at 14 and he told me that he was gay. >> on the night of may 31st, 2014, his friend, ahmed saeed, a 27-year-old somali american offered him a ride home from this nightclub and offered a ride to another man saeed had

met on a website. that man was aly muhammad brown. >> they got in the car and that's the last that they saw of them. alive. >> these charging documents state ali muhammad brown pulled out his 9 millimeter handgun and essentially executed them while inside saeed's vehicle. >> he is a terrorist. and he was going to kill ahmed that night. i don't know if it was because he had a muslim name, he was gay, i don't know. and due 1 was a bonus kill. >> was ali muhammad brown rads callized in a seattle barber shop? stay tuned. irregularity? trust dulcolax® for dependable relief. try free at dulcolaxoffers.com dulcolax® tablets are comfort coated for gentle, overnight relief. hurry! try free at dulcolaxoffers.com. dulcolax®. designed for dependable relief.

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our team digs deeper into ali muhammad brown's past in seattle. we heard even moreolice say he committed. >> he left a trail of depraved crime and violence. court documents show mr. brown was charged with child rape before pleading guilty to three lesser counts of communication with a minor for im moral purposes. david gomez and david rubby cam are former members of seattle's joint terrorism task force. >> in 2004 with aly muhammad

brown what we were looking at was the fund-raising for oversea s support material support of terrorism. this 20 by 25 barber shop from hell. brown hung out there during his teen years with its owner a notorious convicted drug dealer. >> ruben was a prison convert to islam. ruben was attempting to indoctrinate a lot of the youth in the area to radical islam. >> i had a piece of that investigation that involved an imam. ruben shump pert and others would attend the mosque and the im imam, we surveilled him going over to crescent cuts. >> at the time the mosque was 500 feet away from the barber shop. on november 18, 2004, after a 2 1/2 year investigation, the barber shop was raided. >> included among those people

to be arrested was ali muhammad brown, his two brothers and another co-conspirator on the financial institution fraud. >> at the time of the raid, shump pert was already in jail for assaulting the owners of the restaurant below crescent cuts. no one was charged with terrorism. >> they were convicted of fraudulently depositing checks in accounts and withdrawing checks and spending the money. >> brown's older brother claimed the money was to help our muslim brothers and sisters in the cause because you can't go to war broke. brown was sentenced to two years. >> they were unable at that time to prove any of the monies had been sent overseas in support in a material support of terrorism. >> in november of 2006, the seattle fbi received a phone call from war torn somalia. it was fugitive ruben shumpert, ali muhammad brown's contact

from the crescent barber shop. >> it was a phone call that your efforts failed, i win, you lose. >> i'm fighting the good fight with shube an and intend to reign down terror on you and your family. >> two years later ruben was dead. >> ruben died in somalia in a missile attack i believe directed by united states states force on a villa where he was living. >> brown served 84 days of his two year bang fraud sentence stemming from the roundup. back in 1999, a then 15-year-old ali muhammad brown may have tried to attend one of the earliest terrorist training c p camps on american soil in bly, oregon. >> if there's any poison, you help your brothers. >> it was the original inspiration of the converts that we started to investigate around 1998, 1999.

with the james ojamma case. >> this is dog cry ranch, a dream of entrepreneur, james otama and radical cleric. he was convicted on may 14th of 11 terrorist counts including some related to this camp and was sentenced to life in prison. >> today, the crusade is against islam and they are led by the jews. >> james' inspiration came not from videos, he actually went to the mosque and was tutored by him, in the ways of violent jihad. then attempted to bring that back, that original group of converts, some of whom stayed on and worked with shumpert in the crescent case and tried to set up that ranch. >> i believe brown at some point traveled to bly, oregon prior to his arrest for the financial institution fraud.

>> they went down there and shot some weapons at the ranch. again, like a lot of things james did, there wasn't this big follow through plan. okay, we got the ranch, now, what? >> over time they came to the realization maybe this wasn't a good thing to pursue and came to assist the government in their prosecution of some other vilced in new york. >> brown sits in a jail cell in new jersey and he awaits trial on terrorism charges as well as murder, carjacking, terrorism and robbery and multiple weapons offen offenses. is he a lone wolf terrorist or lone serial killer using islam as an excuse. coming up, we ask the panel can you stop lone wolf terror t terrorists like the shooting in chattanooga? ♪

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we're back with the panel. frank, brendan tevlin who was murdered by aly mohammad brown, that was terrorism, wasn't it and that's big. >> it is big. your reporting may have played a significant role in getting people to open their eyes in terms of connect all of these dots. so i do think it's significant. at the end of the day, hopefully he gets the death penalty regardless of the crime. but it is important because it was an act of terrorism. when others are looking to that activity, it should serve as a deterrent. >> the awful thing is we don't know it's terrorism until we go back and look at the clues. >> that's not preelse. it's very, very difficult to do particular whi when you've got

ways of convincing young people to join this movement when you can't even name the movement. >> what is with that. i mean radical islam -- >> look it. you and i know what it is. it's like pornography. i know it when i see it. this is terrorism. it is radical islamic terrorism. they can't say the name at the white house. >> why can't they say that, catherine? >> i'll tell you why. >> based on what i see is a growing gap between the president and the white house. fbi director james comey has been very important up front that he knows about the nature of the tlut behe can't understand it. my understanding sit comes from the white house and the president himself not wants members of his administration to use the term read cal islam. the fbi director is in another

position. >> it's hard to defeat something if you can't identify it. so to given you a sense of scope, there have been 60 cases this year. that's a higher up-tempo than -- >> 60 dayses in the united states. >> in the united states. these are either home grown case in plans to join up with isis and other foreign terrorist associations. these are significant. these aren't onesies or twosies anymore. we've got to address it. this is something maybe your viewers can play a role. at the end of the day, everyone can play a role in terms of identifying and flagging the material and bringing it to the authorities to take it down so you can collect the information so you're able to do it. you can shut it down. some say it's like whack a mole. or we can push back. i'm a little bit of all three.

but they of negative political campaigning. we've got to be able to expose the hypocrisy, the lies, and attack the enemy. >> and you're got to get to the leader. the leader is clearly gone. if he's gone it makes it more difficult to find the success early. we go back to what we said earlier. harden the target. they don't go after the hard target. proteblt those who are targeted. we're not doing it. >> when frank talks about the 60 this year, i imagine if we put this up last year, this is happening more often than not. how is that being received at the fbi, the white house? >> i think based on our reporting there's been a very significant shift since ft. hood. beginning in 2009 you start seeing the increasing examples of the targeted military that

we've seen with isis. there's a real sense of unease that they cannot prevent these types of attacks in the future because it was just -- it was just three years ago that we averaged a case about every three or four weeks. number has doubled and that is really significant. >> but if we're calling it workplace violence and i they this was sort of the word bandied around at ft. hood. you're really not facing your enemy if you think that's what it is. >> calling ft. hood a workplace violence was an error. >> an error? >> there were direct connections between the shooter and yemen and in the end congress acted and the victim tharnlsd families at ft. hood at well as those at

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