tv Republican Presidential Candidates Debate FOX News August 9, 2015 5:00pm-7:01pm PDT
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biden will make a personal decision. the he question is democrats need a backup if she goes wow. >> we've got to go. reair the debate coming up in six seconds. see you tomorrow noon eastern. le " live from cleveland. a late, late edition of "hannity" is going to start now. 9:00 p.m. on the east coast and the moment of truth has arrived. welcome to the first debate night of 2016 presidential campaign live from quicken loans arena. i'm megyn kelly with bret baier and chris wallace. tonight thousand here in the q. with million of voters at home get their very first chance to see the candidates face off in a debate. answering the questions you want answered. >> less handthan a year from now in the very arena one of the ten
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candidates or one of the seven on the previous debate tonight will accept the republican party's nomination. tonight's candidates were selected based on an average of five national polls. just a few hours ago you heard from the candidates ranked 11 through 17 and now the prime time event the top ten. >> also of note fox news is partnering for tonight's debate with facebook for the past several weeks, we have been asking you for questions for the candidates on facebook. nearly 6 million of you, 6 million, viewed the debate videos on our site and more than 40,000 of you submitted questions some of which you will hear us asking the candidates tonight. >> as for the candidates who will be answering those questions, here they are. positioned on the stage by how they stand in the polls, center of the stage tonight, businessman donald trump.
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>> former governor jeb bush. wisconsin governor scott walker. former arkansas governor, mike huckabee. >> neurosurgeon dr. ben carson. >> texas senator ted cruz. >> florida senator marco rubio. >> kentucky senator rand paul. new jersey governor chris christie. >> and your very own governor of ohio john kasich. [ cheers and applause ]
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bret i think you call that a home-field advantage. >> might be. might be. we'll see. >> objections coming. >> it might be the rules for tonight are simple. one minute for answers, 30 seconds for follow-ups. and if the candidate runs over you'll hear this. pleasant no? we also have a big crowd here with us tonight in the home of the cavaliers, as i mentioned. while we expect them we expect them to be enthusiastic as you heard, we don't want to take anything away from the valuable time for the candidates. so we're looking for somewhere between a reaction to a lebron james dunk and the cleveland public library across the street. somewhere there we'll find a balance tonight. without further adieu, let's begin. gentlemen, we know how much you love hand raising questions. so we promise this is the only one tonight. the only one. is there anyone on stage, can i
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see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? again, we're looking for you to raise your hand now. raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. mr. trump, to be clear, you're standing on a republican -- >> i fully understand. >> the place where the rnc will give the nominee the nod. >> i fully understand. >> and the experts say an independent run would almost certainly hand the race over the democrats and likely another clinton. you can't say tonight that you can make that pledge? >> i cannot say. i have to respect the person that if it's not me, the person that wins. if i do win and i'm leading by quote a bit, that's what i want to do.
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i can totally make the pledge if i'm a nominee. i will pledge i will not run as an independent. but -- and i am discussing it with everybody. but i'm talking about a lot of leverage. we want to win and we will win. but i want to win as the republican. i want to run as the republican nominee. >> tonight you can't say if another one of these -- >> this is what's wrong. he buys and sells politicians of all stripes. he's already -- >> dr. paul. >> look he's already hedging his bet on the clintons, okay? if he doesn't run as an republican, maybe he supports clinton or maybe he runs as an independent. but i tell you, he's already hedging his bets because he's used to buying politicians. >> i've given him plenty of money. >> to be clear, we're going to move on. you're not going to make the pledge tonight? >> i will not make the pledge at this time. >> all right.
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>> gentlemen, our first round of questions is on the subject of electability in the general election. and we start tonight with you, dr. carson. you are a successful neurosurgeon. but you admit that you have had to study up when it comes to foreign policy saying there's a lot to learn. your critics say that your inexperience shows. you suggested that the baltic states are not a part of nato and just months ago you were unfamiliar with the major political party's government in israel and you thought alan green span had been federal secretary. aren't these basic mistakes and don't they raise legitimate questions about whether you are ready to be president? >> i could take issue with all of those things but we don't have time. but i will say we have a debate here tonight. and we will have an opportunity to explore those areas and i'm looking very much forward to demonstrating that in fact the thing that is probably most important is having a brain.
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and to be able to figure things out and learn things very rapidly. so, you know, experience comes from a large number of different arenas. and america became a great nation early on not because it was flooded with politicians, but because it was flooded with people who understood the value of personal responsibility, hard work, creativity, innovation and that's what will get us on the right track now as well. [ applause ] >> senator rubio, when jeb bush announced his candidacy for presidency he said this, there's no passing off responsibility when you're a governor, no blending into the legislative crowd. could you please address governor bush across the stage here and explain to him why you, someone who has never held executive office, are better prepared to be president than he is, a man who did a great job of
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running your state of florida for 8 years. >> thank you for the question. great to be here tonight. let me begin by saying this. i'm not new to the political process. i was the speaker of the third and largest most diverse state in the country before i got into the senate. i would add to that this election cannot be a resume competition. it's important to be qualified. this is a résumé competition, then hillary clinton is going to be the next president. she's been in office and government longer than anybody else here tonight. here's what the selection better be about. this election better be about the future, not the past. it better be about the issues our nation and the world is facing today, not simply the issues we once faced. this country is facing an economy that has been radically transformed. the largest retailer in the country country, in the world, amazon doesn't even own a single store. these changes have been disruptive. the jobs that sustained our middle class, they either don't pay enough or are gone.
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we need someone that understands that as our nominee. how is hillary clinton going to lecture me about living paycheck to pay collect? i was raised living paycheck to paycheck. how is she going to lecture me about student loans? i owed over $100,000 just four years ago. if i'm our nominee, we will be the party of the future. >> governor bush, you've insisted that you're your own man. you say you have a life experience uniquely your own, not your father's, not your brother's. but there are several opponents on the stage that get big applause lines in early voting states with this line, quote, last thing the country needs is another bush in the oval office. do you understand the real concern in this country about dynastic politics? >> absolutely i do. i'm going to run hard, run with heart and run to win. i'm going to have to earn this. maybe the bar's higher for me, that's fine. i've got a record in florida. i'm proud of my dad and my
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brother. in florida they call me jeb because i earned it. i cut taxes every year totalling $19 billion. we balance every budget. we went from $1 billion of reserves to $9 billion of reserves. we are one of two states that went to aaa bond rating. they call me veto corleoneny because i vetoed 2500 separate line items in the budget. i'm my own man. i gorn governor as a conservative. i govern effectively. and the net effect, 1.8 million jobs were created. we left the state better off because i applied conservative principles in a state the right way and the people rose up. >> tank you. [ applause ] >> mr. trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don't use a politician's filter. however that is not without its downsides, in particular when it comes to women. you've called women you don't
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like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no, it wasn't. [ applause ] >> your twitter account -- >> thank you. >> for the record, it was well onrosie o'donnell. >> i'm sure it was. >> your twitter account has several disparaging comments about women' looks. you once told a contestant on "celebrity apprentice" it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound like the temperament of a man we should elect as president? >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. i've been -- [ applause ] i've been challenged by so many
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people and i don't, frankly, have time for total political correctness. and to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either. this country is in big trouble. we don't win anymore. we lose to china, we lose to mexico both in trade and at the border. we lose to everybody. frankly what i say and oftentimes it's fun, kidding, we have a good time. what i say is what i say. and honestly, megyn, if you don't like it, i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you although i could probably not be based on the way you have treated me. but i wouldn't do that. but you know what? we, we need strength, we need energy, we need quickness and we need brain in this country to turn it around. that, i can tell you right now. [ applause ] >> senator cruz, your colleague, senator paul right there next to
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you, said a few months ago he agrees with you on a number of issues but he says you do nothing to grow the party. he says you feed red meat to the base but you don't reach out to minorities. you have a toxic relationship with gop leaders in congress who even called the republican senate leader mitch mcconnell a liar recently. [ applause ] how can you win in 2016 when you're such a divisive figure? >> chris, i believe the american people are looking for someone to speak the truth. if you're looking for someone to go to washington, to go along to get along, to agree with the career politicians in both parties, who get in bed with the lobbyists and special interests, then i ain't your guy.
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there is a reason that we have $18 trillion in debt. because, as conservatives, as republicans, we keep winning elections. we got a republican house, we got a republican senate, and we don't have leaders who honor their commitments. i will always tell the truth and do what i said i would do. [ applause ] >> governor christie, you're not exactly the darling of conservatives. you tout your record as a republican governor in a blue state. on facebook, the most people talking about you come from your state of new jersey and one of the top issues they're talking about is the economy. this may be why. under your watch, new jersey has undergone nine credit rating down grades 44th in private sector growth you face an employee pension crisis and the garden state has
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the third highest foreclosure rate in the country. why should the voters believe that your management of the country's finances would be any different? >> if you think it's bad now, you should have seen it when i got there. the fact is, the fact is in the eight years before i became governor, taxes and fees were raised at the state level 115 times. in the eight years before i became governor, spending was increased 56%. and in the eight years before i became governor, there was zero net private sector job growth in new jersey, zero for eight years. what did we do? we came in, we balanced an $11 billion deficit on a $29 billion budget by cutting over 800 programs in the state budget. we brought the budget into balance with no tax increases. we vetoed five tax increases during my time as governor. we cut business tacks $2.3 billion. we cut regulation by one third of what my predecessor put in place. what's happened since? 192,000 new private sector jobs.
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in the 5 1/2 years i've been governor. we have a lot of work to do in new jersey, but i'm darn proud of how we brought or state back. [ applause ] >> governor walker, you've consistently said that you want to make abortion illegal, even in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. you recently signed an abortion law wisconsin that does have exception for the mother's life but yooir you're on record as having objected to it. would you really let a mother die rather than have an abortion? and with 83% of the american public in favor of a life exception, are you too out of the mainstream on this issue to win the general election? >> well i'm pro-life. i've always been pro-life. i've got a position that's consistent with many americans out there in that i believe that that is an unborn child that's in need of protection out there. and i've said many time that that unborn child can be protected and there are many alternatives that would protect the life of the mother. that's been consistently proven.
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unlike hillary clinton who has a radical position in terms of support for planned parenthood, i defunded planned parenthood more than four years ago long before any of these videos came out. i've got a position that's in line with everyday americans. >> governor huckabee, like governor walker you've staked out strong positions on social issues, favor a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages, you favor a constitutional amendment banning abortions except for the life of the mother. millions of people in this country agree with you, but according to the polls and there is is an electability question according to the polls more people don't. so how do you persuade enough independents and democrats to get elected in 2016? >> chris, i disagree with the idea that the real issue is a constitutional amendment. that's a long and difficult process. i've actually taken the position that's bolder than that. a lot of people are talking about defunding planned parenthood as if that's a huge
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game changer. i think it's time to do something even more bold. i think the next president ought to invoke the fifth and 14th amendments to the constitution. now that we clearly know that that baby inside the mother's womb is a person at the moment of conception. the reason we know that it is because of the dna schedule that we now have clear scientific evidence on. and this notion that we just continue to ignore the personhood of the individual is a violation of that unborn child's fifth and 14th amendment rights for due process and equal protection under the law. it's time that we recognize the supreme court is not the supreme being and we change the policy to be pro-life and protect children instead of rip up their body parts and sell them like they're parts to a buick. [ applause ] >> senator paul, you recently blamed rise of isis on republican hawks.
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you later said that statement you could have said it better. but the statement went on and you said, quote, everything they've talked about in foreign policy they've been wrong for the last 20 years. why are you so quick to blame your own party? >> first of all, only isis is responsible for the terrorism. only isis is responsible for the depravity. but we do have to examine how are we going to defeat isis? i've got a proposal. i'm the leading voice in america for not arming the allies of isis. [ applause ] i've been fighting amidst a lot of opposition from both hillary clinton as well as some republicans who wanted to send arms to the allies of isis. isis rides around in a billion dollar's worth of u.s. humvees. it's a disgrace. we've got to stop it. we shouldn't fund or enemies for goodness's sakes. we didn't create isis.
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isis created themselves. but we will stop them. one of the ways to stop them is by not funding them and by not arming them. [ applause ] >> governor kasich, you chose to expand medicaid in your state unlike several other governors on this stage already over budget costing taxpayers an additional $1.4 billion in the first 18 months. you defended your medicaid expansion by invoking god, saying to skeptics when it they arrive in heaven st. peter isn't going to ask how small they've kept government but what they have done for the poor. why should the republican voters who generally want to shrink government believe you won't use your st. peter rationale to expand every government program. >> first of all, you should know that president reagan expanded medicaid three or four times. secondly i had an opportunity to bring resources back to ohio to do what? to treat the mentally ill,
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10,000 sit in our prisons. it costs $22,500 a year to keep them in prison. i would rather get them their medications. secondly we're rehabbing the drug addicted. 80% of the people in our prisons have addiction problems. we now treat them in the prisons, release them in the community, and the recidivism rate is 10%, and everybody across this country knows that the tsunami of drugs is threatening their very families. we're treating them and getting them on their feet. and finally the working poor instead of having them come into the emergency rooms where it costs more, where they're sicker and we end up paying, we brought a program in to make sure that people can get on their feet. you know what? everybody has a right to their god given purpose. finally, our medicaid is growing at one 0 of the lowest rates in the country. we went from $8 billion in the hole to $2 billion in the black. we've cut $5 billion in taxes and grown 250,000 jobs. [ applause ]
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>> gentlemen, we're turning to a new subject that all of you have been talking about and some of you have been disagreeing about and that is the issue of immigration. governor bush, you released a new plan this week on illegal immigration focusing on enforcement which some suggest is your effort to show you're not soft on that issue. i want to ask you about a statement that you made last year about illegal immigrants. hear's what you said. they broke the law but it's not a felony, it's an act of love, it's an act of commitment to your family. do you stand by that statement and do you stand by your support for earned legal status? >> i do. i believe that the great majority of people coming here illegally have no other option. they want to provide for their family. but we need to control our border. it's our sonts to pick and choose who comes in. written a book about this and
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yes this week i did come up with a comprehensive strategy that mirrored what we said in the book. which is we need deal with e-verify, we need deal with people that come with a legal visa and overstay, we need to be strategic on how we deal with border enforcement, border security. we need to eliminate the sanctuary cities in this country. it is ridiculous and tragic that people are dying because of the fact that local governments are not following this federal law. there's much to do. and i think rather than talking about this as a wedge issue, which barack obama has done now for six long years, the next president, and i hope to be that president, will fix this once and for all so that we can turn this into a driver for high sustained economic growth. and that should be a path to earn legal status. for those here. not amnesty. earn legal status you pay a fine and do many things over an extended period of time. >> thank you, sir.
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mr. trump, it has not escaped anybody's notice that you say that the mexican government, the mexican government is sending criminals, rapists, drug dealers across the border. governor bush called those remarks, quote, extraordinarily ugly. i'd like you, you're next to him, talk to him directly and say how you respond to that and, and, you have repeatedly said that you have evidence that the mexican government is doing this but that you have evidence you have refused or declined to share. why not use this first republican presidential debate to share your proof with the american people? >> so, if it weren't for me, you wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration, chris. you wouldn't even be talking about it. this was not a subject that was on anybody's mind until i brought it up at my announcement and i said, mexico is sending. expect the reporters, because
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they're a very dishonest lot generally speaking in the world of politics, they didn't cover my statement the way i said it. the fact is, since then, many killings, murders, crime, drugs pouring across the border are money going out and the drugs coming in. and i said, we need to build a wall, and it has to be built quickly. and i don't mind having a big beautiful door in that wall so that people can come into this country legally. but we need jeb to build a wall, we need to keep illegals out. >> mr. trump, i'll give you 30 seconds, i'll give you 30 seconds to answer my question, which was, what evidence do you have, specific evidence, that the mexican government is sending criminals across the border? 30 seconds. >> border patrol, i was at the border last week. border patrol, people that i
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deal with, that i talk to, they say this is what's happening. because our leaders are stupid. our politicians are stupid. and the mexican government is much smarter, much sharper, much more cunning and they send the bad ones over because they don't want to pay for them. they don't want to take care of them. why should they when the stupid leaders of the united states will do it for them? that's what is happening whether you like it or not. >> all right. obviously there's a lot more to talk about this. we're going to have more questions for the candidates on illegal immigration, plus other key topics including your questions on facebook.ti on plus other key topics including your questions on facebook. >> who will be your plan on making immigration easier for those who want to do it legally? >> what specific steps would you take to contain the group of isis? i'd like to know what the candidates are going to do so i feel safe in my own country again. >> i'd like to know what the candidates are going to do so i
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he does. for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this. welcome back to fox news facebook republican debate night. we're going to continue the questions now on illegal immigration. we kind of ended with a cliff hanger there. so let's continue the conversation. governor kasich, i know you don't like to talk about donald trump. but i do want to ask you about the merit of what he just said. when you say that the american government is stupid, that the mexican government is sending criminals, that we're being bamboozled, is that an adequate response to the question of illegal immigration? >> i was just saying to chris christie, they say we're outspoken, we need to take lessons from donald trump if we're really going to learn it.
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here's the thing about donald trump. donald trump is hitting a nerve in this country. he is. he's hitting a nerve. people are frustrated. they're fed up. they don't think the government is working for them. for people who want to tune him out, they're making a mistake. he's got his solutions. some of us have other solutions. look, i balanced the federal budget as one of the chief architects when i was in washington. hadn't been done since. i was a military reformer. i took the state of ohio from an $8 billion hole in a $350,000 job loss to a $2 billion surplus and a gain of 350,000 jobs. >> respectfully can we talk about -- >> the point is we all have solutions. mr. trump is touching a nerve because people want the wall to be built. they want to see an end to illegal immigration. they want to see it. we all do. but we all have different ways of getting there and you're going to hear from all of us tonight about what our ideas are. >> senator rubio, let me see if i can do better with you.
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is it as simple as our leaders are stupid, their leaders are smart and all of the illegals coming over are criminals? >> let me set the record straight on a couple of thing mz the evidence is now clear that the majority of people coming across the border are not from mexico. they're coming from guatemala, el salvador, honduras. i also believe we need a fence. the problem is if el chapo builds a tunnel under the fence, we need to deal with that too. that's why you need an e-verify system and all sorts of other things to prevent illegal immigration. but i agree with governor kasich just said. people are frustrated. this is the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration. there are a million people a year who illegally immigrate to the united states and people feel we're being taken advantage of. we'll feel like, despite or generosity we're being taken advantage of. let me tell you who never get talked about in the debates, the people that call my office waiting 15 years to come to the united states, they've paid
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their fees, hired a lawyer and they can get in. they're wondering, maybe they should come in illegally. these are important issues. we should address it. it's a serious problem that needs to be addressed otherwise we're going to keep talking about this for the next 30 years, like we have for the last 30 years. >> governor walker, from 2002 until as recently as 2013, just two years ago, you supported comprehensive immigration reform, including a path to citizenship. now you say that was a quick reaction to something you hadn't really thought about and that you've changed your mind. other than politics, could you explain why in the last two years you've changed your position on a path to citizenship, and are there other past positions we shouldn't hold you to? >> i said it on your show earlier this year. i acknowledged it. i listened to the american people. people across america want a leader who's going to listen to them. i talk to border state governors and other elected officials.
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i looked at how this president messed up the immigration system in this country. most importantly, i listened to the american people. i've been to the border with governor abbott and others. seeing problems that they have there. there are criminal organizations penetrating our southern borders, we need to do something about it. secure the border, enforce the law, no amnesty and go forward with legal amnesty that gives priority to american people and wages. >> senator cruz, some 1,400 people submitted questions on this very hot topic of illegal immigration on facebook and a number of them were about the murder of kate steinle in san francisco, allegedly shot down by an illegal. doug betancourt sent this question, will you support kate steinle's law, imposing a mandatory five-year prison term for an illegal that is deported
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and then returns to the country? >> absolutely yes. and not only will i support it, i have authored kate's law in the united states senate and filed that legislation. i tried to get the senate to vote to pass kate's law on the floor of the senate just one week ago and the leader of our own party blocked a vote on kate's law. you know, there was reference made to our leaders being stupid. it's not a question of stupidity. it's that they don't want to enforce the immigration laws. that there are far too many in the washington cartel that support amnesty. president obama has talked about fundamentally transforming this country. there's 7 billion people across the face of the globe, many of whom want to come to this country. if they come legally, great. but if they come illegally and they get amnesty, that is how we fundamentally change this country and it really is striking.
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a majority of the candidates on this stage supported amnesty. i've never supported amnesty and i led the fight against chuck schumer's gang of eight. >> we're going to switch topics and talk a bit about terror and national security. governor christie, you've said that senator paul's opposition to the nsa's clexzollection of phone records have made the united states weaker and more vulnerable even going so far say he should be call before congress to answer for it if we should be hit by another terrorist attack. do you really believe you can assign blame to senator paul for opposing the bulk collection of people's phone records in the event of a terrorist attack? >> yes, i do. i'll tell you why. i'm the only person on this stage who's actually filed applications under the patriot act, who have gone before the foreign intelligence service court, who has prosecuted and
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investigated and jailed terrorists in the country after september 11th. i was appointed u.s. attorney by president bush on september 10th, 2001. and the world changed enormously the next day and it happened in my state. this is not theoretical to me. i went to the funerals. we lost friends of ours in the trade center that day. my own wife was two blocks from the trade center at her office. having gone through it that morning. when you have to be responsible for doing this, you can do it and we did it for seven years in my office, respecting civil liberties and protecting the homeland. and i will make no apologies ever for protecting the lives and the safety of the american people. we have to give more tools to our folks to do this and then trust those people and oversee them to do it the right way. as president, that's exactly what i will do. >> megyn, may i respond? may i respond? >> go ahead, sir. >> i want to collect more records from terrorists but less records from innocent americans.
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the fourth amendment was what we fought the revolution over. john adams said it was a spark that led to our war for independence. and i'm proud of standing for the bill of rights and i will continue to stand for the bill of rights. >> and, megyn, that's a completely ridiculous answer. i want to collect more records from terrorists but less records from other people. how are you supposed to know, megyn. >> you support the amendment. use the fourth amendment. get a warrant. get a judge to sign a warrant. >> senator -- >> governor christie make your point. >> when you're sitting in a subcommittee blowing hot air about this you can say things like that. when you're responsible for protecting the lives of the american people, then you need to do is to make sure -- make sure that you -- >> here the problem, governor. you fundamentally misunderstood the bill of rights. every team you did a case you
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got a warrant from a judge. i'm talking about searches without warrants. >> there is no -- >> -- all of american's records and that's what i fought to end. i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug and if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead. >> go ahead, governor. >> and you know, senator paul, senator paul, you know the hugs that i remember are the hugs that i gave to the families who lost their people on september 11th. those are the hugs i remember g to do -- and those had nothing to do with politics, unlike what you're doing by cutting speeches on the floor of the senate and putting them on the internet within half an hour to raise money for your campaign and putting our country at risk. >> we have to cut it off there. we have plenty more we want to get to. that was an interesting exchange. thank you for that. i want to move on because -- we're going to get to you but i really want to get to a facebook questioner. alex has the following question.
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>> my question is, how would the candidates stop the actions of isis and strong influence in the u.s. if they were to become president? >> senator cruz, i want to talk to you about this because many of the facebook users and the folks on facebook wanted the candidates to speak to isis tonight. you asked the chairman of the joint chiefs a question. what would it take to destroy isis in 90 days? he told you that isis would truly be destroyed once they're rejected by the populations in which they hide. you accused him of pushing medicaid for the iraqis. how would you destroy isis in 90 days? >> megyn, we need a commander in chief that speaks the truth. we will not defeat radical islamic terrorism so long as we have a president unwilling to utter the words "radical islamic terrorism." [ applause ]
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when i asked general dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs what would be required militarily to destroy isis, he said there is no military solution. we need to change the conditions on the ground so that young men are not in poverty and susceptible to radicalization. that, with all due respect, is nonsense. it's the same answer the state department gave that we need to give them jobs. what we need is a commander in chief who makes clear, if you join isis, if you wage jihad on america, then you are signing your death warrant. >> you don't see it as an ideological problem, in addition to a military one? >> of course it's an ideological problem. that's one of the reasons why i introduced the ex-patriot terrorist act in the senate that said, if any american travels to the middle east and joins isis, he or she forfeits their citizenship, so they don't use a passport to come back and wage jihad on america.
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yes it's ideological. let me contrast president obama who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. he said, gosh, the crusade the acquisitions. we need a president that shows the courage that egypt's president did, a muslim when he called out the radical islamic terrorists who are threatening the world. >> governor bush. [ applause ] for days on end in this campaign you struggled to answer a question about whether knowing what we know now -- >> i remember -- i remember, megyn. >> i remember it too. and isis of course is now thriving there. you finally said no. to the families of those who died in that war who say they liberated a country and deposed a ruthless dictator, how do you look at them now and say your brother's war was a mistake? >> knowing what we know now with faulty intelligence and not having security be the first
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priority when we invaded, it was a mistake. i wouldn't have gone in. however, for the people that did lose their lives and the families that suffered because of it, i know this full well. because as governor of the state of florida, i called every one of them, every one of them that i could find the tell them i was praying for them, that i cared about them. it was really hard to do. and every one of them said that their child did not die in vain. or their wife or husband did not die in vain. and while it was difficult for the to do, it was based on that. here's the lesson that we should take from this. this relates to this whole subject. barack obama became president and he abandoned iraq. he left. and when he left, al qaeda was done for, isis was created because of the void that we left. and the void now exists as a caliphate the size of indiana. to honor the people that died, we need to stop the iran agreement for sure because the iranians have their blood on their hands and we need to take out isis with every tool at our disposal.
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>> governor walker, in february you said that we needed to gain partners in the arab world. which arab country not already in the u.s.-led coalition has the potential to be our greatest partner? >> we need to focus on the ones we have. you look at egypt, probably the best relationship we've had in israel at least in my lifetime. incredibly important. you look at the saudi effect earlier this year, i met with saudi leaders and i asked them what's the greatest challenge in the world today. set aside the iran deal. they said the disengagement of america. we're leading from behind under the obama-clinton doctrine. america's a great country. we need to stand up and start leading again and we would have allies in israel and throughout the persian gulf. >> dr. carson in one of his first acts as commander in chief president obama signed an executive order banning enhanced interrogation techniques in fighting terror. as president, would you bring back water boarding?
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>> thank you, megyn, i wasn't sure i was going to get to talk again. >> we have a lot for you. don't worry. you may rue that request. >> all right. you know, what we do in order to get the information that we need is our business. and i wouldn't necessarily be broadcasting to everybody what we're going to do. you know, we've gotten into this mind-set of fighting politically correct wars. there is no such thing as a politically correct war. and the left, of course, will say carson doesn't believe in the geneva convention. carson doesn't believe in fighting stupid wars. what we have to remember is we are want to utilize the tremendous intellect that we have in the military to win wars. and i have talked to a lot of the generals, a lot of our
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advanced people, and believe me, if we gave them the mission, which is what the commander in chief does, they would be able to carry it out. and if we don't tie their hands behind their back, they will do it extremely effectively. [ applause ] >> gentlemen, the next series of questions deals with obamacare and the role of the federal government. mr. trump, obamacare is one of the things you call a disaster. >> complete disaster, yes. >> saying it needs to be repealed and replaced. >> correct. >> now 15 years ago you called yourself a liberal on health care. you were for a single payer system, a canadian style system. why were you for that then and why aren't you for it now? >> first of all, i'd like to go back to one -- in july of 2004 i came out strongly against the war with iraq, because it was going to destabilize the middle east. i'm the only one on the stage that knew that and had the
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vision to say it, and that's exactly what happened. so i just want to say. as far as single payer, it works in canada, works incredibly well in scotland. could have worked in a different age, which is the age you're talking about here. what i would like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. i have a big company with thousands and thousands of employees and if i'm negotiating in new york or new jersey or california, i have like one bidder. nobody can bid. you know why? the insurance companies are making a fortune because they have control of the politicians. of course with the exception of the politicians on the stage. but they have total control of the politicians. they're making a fortune. get rid of the artificial lines and you will have yourself great plans. then we have to take care of the people that can't take care of themselves and i will do that in a different system. >> news flash, the republican party has been fighting against a single payer system for a decade.
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i think you're on the wrong side of this if you're still arguing -- argue, for a single payer system. >> i don't think you heard me. you're having a hard time tonight. >> mr. trump, it's not just your past support for single payer health care. you've also supported a host of other liberal policies. you've donated to several democrat candidates. hillary clinton included nancy pelosi. you explained away those donations saying you did that to get business-related favors. and you said recently, quote, when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do. >> you better believe it. >> what specifically did they do? >> if i ask them, if i need them -- most of the people on this stage i've given to, just so you understand, a lot of money. >> not me. >> not me. >> you're welcome to give me a check, donald, if you would like. >> many of them. >> i have -- >> i hope you will give to me. >> good.
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sounds good to me, governor. i will tell you that our system is broken. i gave to many people before this -- before two months ago i was a businessman. i give to everybody. when they call, i give. and you know what, when i need something from them two years later, three years later, i call them. they are there for me. that's a broken system. >> what did you get from hillary clinton and nancy pelosi? >> for hillary clinton, i said be at me wedding and she came to my wedding. you know why? she had no choice because i gave to a foundation that frankly that foundation is supposed to do good. i didn't know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. it was. >> mr. trump, we're going to move on. we'll come back to you, governor walker. >> we spend a lot of time talking about hillary clinton. pitting us back and forth. let's be clear. we should be talking about hillary clinton on that last subject because everywhere in the world that hillary clinton touched is more messed up today.
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>> many questions to come. >> governor huckabee, on facebook, john asked this. will you abolish or take away the powers and cut the size of the epa, the irs, the department of education? now broadly, broadly the size of government is a big concern for a facebook users, facebook persons as well as obviously conservatives. but year after year, decade after decade, there are promises from republicans to shrink government. but year after year, decade after decade, it doesn't happen. in fact it gets bigger even under republican politicians. so the question is, at this point is the government simply too big for any one person, even a republican, to shrink? >> it's not too big to shrink. but the problem is we have a wall street to washington axis of power that is controlled the political climate. the donor class feeds the political class that does the dance that the donor class wants. and the result is federal government keeps getting bigger.
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>> it was the federal government who continually put put mandates on the safes that we had to suck up and pay for and the fact is there are a lot of things happening at the federal level that are absolutely beyond the purist direction of the constitution. this is power that should be shifted back to the united states. whether it is the epa. there is no level for education and i am still one who says we can get rid of the internal revenue service if we would pass the fair tax which is a tax on consumption rather than a tax on people's income and mrovove power back to where the founders believed it should be all along. >> doctor carson butdo you agree with that? >> what i agree with is we need a significantly changed taxation system. the one that i have advocated is
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based on tithing, because i think god is a pretty fair guy. he says if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make if you have had a bumper cropped you don't owe me triple time you had no crops at all you don't need any tithe. you make 10 billion a doll you may a billion you make $10 you pay one. everybody gets treated the same way. you get rid of the de directions and all of the loopholes. >> governor bush. >> i have a lot more to say about it. >> we are going to come back to doctor carson. you were one of the few people on the stage who advocates for common core education standards reading and math. a lot of people on the stage vigorously oppose federal involvement they say it should be all handled locally. secretary of education arnie duncan says most of the criticism of common core is due
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to a quote fringe group of critics. do you think that's accurate? >> no i don't. i don't believe the federal government should be involved in the creation of standard directly or indirectly in creation of curriculum or content. that is clearly a state responsibility. i am sorefor higher standards measured in an intellectually honest way with abundant school choice, ending social promotion and i know how to do this because as governor of the state of florida i had the first statewide voucher program in the country and the second and the third. we have rising student achievement across the board. high standards, robust accountability, ending social promotion in third grade real school choice across the board, challenging the teacher's union and beating them is the way to go. florida low income kids had the greatest gains inside the country our graduation rate improved 50 percent. that is what i am for. >> why is president bush wrong on common core?
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>> i do believe in curriculum reform. it is important in the 20th century. we need curriculum reform and it should happen at the state and local level. that is where educational policy belongs because if a parent is unhappy with what their child is being taught in school they can go to the school board or legislature or governor and get it changed. here's the problem with common core. the department of education like every federal agency will never be satisfied. they will not stop with it being a suggestion. they will turn it into a mandate. what they will begin to say of local communities is you won't get federal money unless you do things the way we want to do it. they will force it down the throats of our people and our states. >> you agree with your old friends? >> he is definitely my friend and i think the states ought to create these standards. if states want to opt out of common core fine. just make sure the standards are high. in america a shirdthird of our kids
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share more with the country rather than rounding airs to be honest with you, 30 percent are college and/or career ready. if we are going to compete in this world we are in today there's no possible way we can do it with lowering expectations and dumbing down everything. children are going to suffer and family's hearts are going to be broken their kids won't be able to get a job in the 21st century. >> we have many more questions coming on the host of topics. here from quicken loans arena in cleveland. stay with us. >> what would make you stand out as the best choice of the republican nomination? >> how do you intend to have reform. >> what will be the first thing you do to stimulate economic growth in our country and bring more jobs to the united states?
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primary debate of the 2016 presidential campaign. ten candidates on the stage selected based on their standing in five national polls. tonight they are facing off answering the questions you want asked. we hope. >> gentlemen, we are obviously did iinging into some subjects in depth. we are going to change it up every once in a while and have many rounds we ask you are not going to like it. only a couple of candidates questioned on the subjects. this is the first of the many rounds and it is about somebody whose name probably hasn't been mentioned enough so far tonight. governor kasich let me start with you. whoever the republican nominee is, it looks at least for now like whoever that nominee is he or she will be facing off against hillary clinton. you know how she will come after whoever the republican nominee is. she will say that you, whoever it is support the rich while she supports the middle class,
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that you want to suppress the rights of women and minorities she wants to move the country forward while you the republicans can'twant to take the country back to the past. if you are the nominee, how will you answer that and take hillary clinton off? >> let's start with my father being a mailman. i understand the concerns of all of the folks across this country some of whom have trouble making ends meet. i think she will come in a narrow way. the nominee of this party if they are going to win have got to come at it in a big way which is pro growth which is balancing budgets. we were talking about it. people were saying can we do it? i was the lead architect last time i had it in washington. we had economic growth and cut taxes and had a big surplus. economic growth is the key. economic growth is the key to everything. once you have economic growth it is important that we reach out to people who live in the shadows the people who don't seem to ever think they get a
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fair deal. that includes people in our minority community. that includes people who feel as though they don't have a chance to move up. america is a miracle country. we have to restore the sense that the miracle will apply to you. each and every one of the people in this country who is watching tonight lift everybody, unite everybody and build a stronger united states of america again. it will be and can be done. >> i know that all of you like to answer this question. we are only going to ask another candidate before we move on. doctor carson basically same question to you. if hillary clinton is the nominee and she comes at you with that kind of line of attack how but take will you take her on. >> if hillary is the candidate which i doubt, that would be a dream come true. the fact of the matter is she is the epitome of the progressive, the secular
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progressive movement. she counts on the fact that people are uninformed. the model taking advance of the useful idiots. i happen to believe that people are not stupid. the way i will come at it is to educate people help people to actually understand that it is the progressive movement that is causing the problems. you have the national debt and how it is being driven up. if i was trying to destroy the country is find a way to drive wedges between all of the people find a debt unsustainable level and step-off the stage as a world leader let the enemies increase while we decrease the military and that's what she is doing. >> we are going to turn to the subject of the economy and jobs and money and the government. governor bush i am going to start with you.
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you made a gold prombold promise. you promised 4 percent economic growth and 19 million new jobs if you were fortunate to serve two terms as president. that many jobs. 19 million would be triple what your father and brother accomplished together and 4 percent growth. the last president to average that was lyndon johnson during the height of the vietnam war. question, how on earth specifically would you pull that off? >> we have done it 27 times since world war ii. i think we need to lift our spirits and have high lofty expectations for the great country of ours. the new normal to the left is saying you can't do anything about is so dangerous for our country. there are 6 million people living in poverty more than whenbackwhen barack obama got elected. 16 million working part-time who want to be working full-time. every aspiration of people the net result is we are not growing fast income is not growing.
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a 4 percent growth strategy means you fix a con volume luted tax code. you get in and change every aspect of regulation that are job killers. you get rid of obamacare and get something that doesn't suppress wages and kill jobs. you embrace the energy revolution in our country. this president and hillary clinton who can't say she is after the ex el pipeline even after she is left. we should be for these things to create high sustaining economic growth. fixing the eekconomic system is part of a driver. we can do this. >> governor walker when you ran for governor of wisconsin back in 2010 you promised you would create 250,000 jobs in your first four years. in fact wisconsin added barely half of that and ranked 35th in the country in job growth. now you are running for president and you are promising an economic plan in which
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everyone will earn a piece of the american dream. given your record in wisconsin, why should voters believe you sfr>> sfr? >> the voters elected me a third time because they wanted someone who aimed high not low. the unemployment rate was over 8 percent it is now down to 4.6 percent. we more than made up for the jobs lost during the recession and the rate which people are working is almost five points higher than what it is nationally. people like hillary clinton think you grow the economy by growing washington. six of the top ten wealthiest countries in america were in and around washington, d.c. most of us in america understand people not the government creates jobs. one of the best things we can do is get the government out of the way repeal obamacare and reign in the regulations and put in place a above normal policy and put education skills where they need to succeed. that's what i will do as president. that's what i did in wisconsin.
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>> jorn fore christie i want to engage you and governor huckabee that is entitlement reform. you say that you -- to save the system you want to raise the retirement age, have to race the retirement age and to cut benefits to social security and medicare and you will say some of the candidates here on the stage are lying. governor huckabee says he will save social security and medicare without doing any of that. is he lying? >> no he is not lying. he is just wrong. there's a difference. i am the only guy on the stage who put together a detailed retirement plan and here's why. 41 percent of the federal spending right now is on entity oo element and debt service. 71 percent. we have spent the last hour and 5 minutes talking about the other 29 percent. no time on the 71 percent. that makes no sense. let me tell you what we would do on social security? we would raise the retirement age in two years and phase in
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over 25 years. that is one month a year for 25 years when we are all living longer and better lives. secondly we would need to have social security for those who are making over 200,000 dollars a year in retirement income and who have 4, $5 million in liquid assets. they don't need that social security checks. social security is meant to be to make sure no one worked hard and played by the rules and paid into the system grows old in poverty in america. it will bankrupt our system or lead to problems neither one we want in this country. >> governor huckabee you say changing entitlements the same governor crist tee is talking about would be breaking a promise to the american people. you say you can keep those programs, save social security save medicare without those kinds of reforms through a fare tax which is a broad tax on
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consumption. tell us how you could save these programs without the kind of painful reforms he said we knew. >> let's be reminded 60 million americans are on social security. 60 million. a third of those people depend on 90 percent of the income from social security. nobody in this country is on social security because they made a decision starting work at 14 that they wanted to trust their money with the government. a person goes to 65 they are going to spend 51 years with a government reaching into their pocket at every paycheck. here's the point. whose fault is it that the system is screwed up? is it the recipients or is it the government? if congress wants to mess with the retirement program why don't we let them start by changing their retirement program and not have one instead of talking about getting rid of social security and medicare that was robbed $700 billion to pay for
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obamacare. it's always that the government figures they can do this offer the backs of people many of whom are poor and depend on that money. ic i think it is fundamentally lying to the people and stealing from them and we shouldn't be doing it. >> 30 seconds. >> yeah shir. i don't disagree with ending congress' tierment program. -- retirement program. here's the news for the american people. he's complaining about the lying and stealing. the lying and stealing already occurred. the trust fund is filled with iou's. we can't fix the problem by entering congress' retirement. that's worth about this much. we need to gowith the fundamental problem. the problem is it is broken it has been stolen from we have been lied to we need a strong leader to come in and fix it. >> you ask about how we would fund it. one of the reasons social security is in so much fun is the onlied funding comes from people to get a wage. the people who get wages is
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declining dramatically. it is by people from the top with diff depends and fair gains. it transforms the process by which we fund social security and medicare because the money paid at consumption is paid by everybody including illegals prostitutes pimps drug dealers all of the people freeloading off the system now. that is why it ought to be a transformed system. >> all right. enough. mr. trump -- >> getting a little r rated. >> mr. trump, talk about how you were the person on this stage to grow the economy. i want to ask you about your business record. trump corporations casinos and hotels have declared bankruptcy four times over the last quarter century. in 2011 you told forbes magazine this i have used the laws of the country to my advantage. but at the same time financial experts involved in those bankruptcies say that lenders to
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your companies lost billions of dollars. question, sir, with that record why should we trust you to run the nation's business? >> because i have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in base have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws to do a great job for my company, myself for my employees, my family et cetera. i have never gone bankrupt by the way. i have never. >> out of hundreds of deals -- sir, your companies have gone bankrupt. >> what am i saying? ut of hundreds of deals i have done on four occasions i have taken advantage of the laws of this country, like other people. i am not going to name them but virtually ever which person you read about on the front page use the law. when somebody else uses the laws nobody writes about it. the when i use it they say trump, trump, trump. the fact is i built a net worth
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of more than $10 billion. i have a great, great company. i employ thousands of people and i am very proud of the job i did. again, chris, hundreds and hundreds of deals four times i have taken advantage of the laws and frankly so has everybody else in my position. >> sir let's talk about the latest example which is trump entertainment resorts which went bankrupt in 2009. in that case alone, lenders to your company lost over a billion dollars and more than 1100 people were laid off. >> let me tell you about the lenders. first of all, the lenders aren't the nice sweet little people that you think. you are living in a world that is make believe if you want to know the truth. i had a good sense to lead atlantic city. caesars just went bankrupt every
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company, chris can tell you every company in atlantic city went bankrupt. every company. let me tell you, i had the good sense and i have gotten a lot of credit in the financial pages seven years ago i left at atlantic city before it totally cratered and i made a lot of money in atlantic city and i am very proud of it. very very proud of it. by the way, this country right now owes $19 trillion and they need somebody like me to strit straighten out that mess. >> senator rubio, more than 3,000 people sent us questions about the economy and jobs on facebook. here is a video question from tonya from philadelphia. here she is. >> please describe one action you would do to make the economic environment more favorable for small businesses and entrepreneurs and any one
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dreaming of opening their own business? >> senator, how do you answer? >> first of all it begins by having leaders that recognize the economy we live in today is dramatically different than the one we had five years ago. it's an economy that placed us in global competition with dozens of other countries around the world. the big companies that have connections with washington can effect the companies. the companies tanya is talking about they are struggling. we need too even out the tax code for small business and so we can lower their tax rate to like all businesses. we need to have a regulatory budget in america that limits the amount of regulations on the economy. we need to repeal and replace obamacare and improve higher education so people can have access to the skills they need for 21st century jobs and last but not least we need to repeal todd frank it is the businesses and small banks over 40 percent of small and mid-sized banks that loan money to small
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businesses have been wiped out since dodd frank has passed. we need to repeal dodd frank and make businesses fair for all businesses but especially those run by small business owners. >> senator rubio, thank you. >> gentlemen another question for a few of you. yesterday just yesterday president obama criticized republican lawmakers trying to block the iran deal calling them knee jerk partisans adding that hardliners in iran who chant death to america were quote making common cause with the republican caucus. here is what two of your opponents on the 5:00 p.m. debate stage said about iran. >> i would tell you one thing i would rather from carly feeiorina over there than john kerry. maybe we would have gotten a deal where we wouldn't have given everything away. the issue for us is to have a congress that stands up and says not only no but hell no of the
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money going to a regime that is going to use it for terror. >> when a government does not lead in a dangerous tragic place. this is a bad deal. obama broke every rule of negotiation. yes, our allies are not perfect. but iran is at the heart of most of the evil that is going ton in the middle east through their proxy. >> i want to ask a few of you this. first governor walker how you said you would tear up the iran deal on day one. if the deal is undone what then? >> first off let's remember i still remember as a kid tying a yellow ribbon on a tree in front of my house during 133 days iran held 52 hostage. iran isn't a place you should do business with. you terminate the deal on day one reauthorize the sanctions and put even more krip tellingcrippleing sanctions in place and convince our allies to do the same. this is bad with is tied together. once and for all we need a
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leader who will stand up and do something about it. it is another example of the failed porn policy -- foreign policy. >> would you tear up the deal on day one? >> i oppose the iranian deal and will vote against it. i don't think they negotiated from a position of strength. i am a reagan conservative. reagan did negotiate with the soviets. you have to negotiate from a position of strength and i think president obama gave away too much too early. if there's going to be a negotiation you are going to have to believe somehow that the iranians are going to comply. i asked this question of john kerry, do you believe they are trust worthy? he said no. how are we going to get them to comply? i would have never released the sanctions towhere there was significant evidence of compliance. >> what do you think about what governor huckabee just said. >> trust and verify. p president obama is trust but vilify.
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he trusts our enemies and vilifies everyone who disagrees with him. the reason we disagree has nothing to do with parties. it has to do with the incredibly dangerous place this world is going to be as a result of a deal in which we got nothing. we didn't even get four hostages out. we got nothing. and iran gets everything they want. we said we would have any where any time negotiations and inspections, we gave that up. we said that we would make sure that they didn't have any new clear -- nuclear capacity. we gave that up. the president can't tell us what we got. i tell you what the world got, the world has a verge onning nuclear power that didn't as the soviets say we might defend ourselves a war, but the iranians have said is we will wipe israel off the face of the map and we will bring death to america. when someone points a gun at your head and loads it by god you ought to take them seriously and we need to take that seriously.
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gentlemen. we are going to move on to discuss social issues across the board. governor bush start with you. many republicans have been outraged a series of videos on planned parenthood. you now say you support ending federal funding for this organization. however late 2014 before you started your campaign you sat on board of a bloomberg charity that publically gave 10's of millions of dollars to planned parenthood while you were a director. how could you not know about the well publicized donations and if you did know how could you help a charity so openly committed to abortion rights. >> i joined because of mike bloomberg's shared position. we never had a debate about the budget. it was presented and we approved it. not item by item. here's my record as governor of the state of florida he defunded planned parenthood. i created a cull pure of light in our -- life in oh r our state. we were the ownnly to appropriate
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money to crisis standard. we created -- did parental locations laws and did partial birth abortions we did all of it choose by licensefe license plate. now 29 states are done it. 10's of millions have gone to capri ating a culture to where more babies were adopted. >> did you know? >> no. i was working on the board because of the education. my record is clear. my record as a pro-life governor is not in dispute. i am pro-life and i believe we should have a culture of life it is controlled my fate fromith from beginning to end. i did it at the end of life issue as well. this is something that goes way beyond politics. i hope we get to a point where we respect life in the fullest form across the board. >> sillingenator rubio you gave
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abortion ban. senator dole land of new york said the exceptions are prepros truss they discriminate against an entire class of human beings. if you believe mrief begins at consumption how do you justify ending a life just because it begins violently through no fault of the baby. >> first of all i am not sure that's a correct assessment of my record. i will go on -- >> you don't favor a rape and insist exemption? >> i have never advocated that. we pass a law in this country that says all human life at every stage of the development is worthy of the protection. i think that law already exists. it is called the constitution of the united states. let me go further. i believe every single human being is entitled to the protection of our laws whether they can vote or not, whether they can speak or not, whether they can hire a lawyer or not. whether they had a birth certificate or not. i think future generations will look back at this history of our country and call us barbarians for murdering millions of babies we never gave them a chance to
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live. >> mr. jones, in 1999 you said you were quote very pro choice even supporting partial birth abortion abortion. in 2004 you identified as a democrat most cases. even in this campaign your critics said you also sound more like a democrat than republicans calling those on the stage clowns and pup pits. -- puppets. when did you actually become a republican? >> i don't think they like me very much. i will tell you why. i have evolved on many issues over the years. you know who else has ronald reagan evolved on many issues. i am pro-life. and if you look at the question i was in business they asked me a question as to pro-life or choice, and i said if you let it run, than i hate the concept of abortion. i hate the concept of abortion. am since then i very much
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evolved. what happened is friends of mine years ago were going to have a child and it was going to be aborted and it wasn't aborted and that child today is a total superstar, a great, great child. i saw that and i saw other instances and i am very very proud to say that i am pro-life. as far as being a republican is concerned i come from a place new york city which was virtually i mean it is almost exclusively democrat. and i have really started to see some of the negatives as an example and i have a liking for this man but the last number of months of his brother's administration were a catastrophe, and unfortunately those few months gave us president obama and you can't be happy about that. >> i want to ask you on the subject of name calling of your fellow candidates the story up here quoting an anonymous gop goen donor saying you call mr. clump
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a clown and buffoon and others that cannot be said. is it true? >> it is not true. mr. trump's language is divisive. i want to win. i want one of these people here or the ones at 5:00 to be the next president of the united states. we are not going to win by doging what barack obama and hillary clinton do every day dividing the country creating a grievance type of violence. we are going to win with a hopeful optimistic message. i had a message because i was the governor of state we had high sustained economic growth. our key monday me grew at double the nation we had 1.3 million jobs we led the nation we went to triple a bond rating. i cutbackses $19 million. if you do that apply conservative principles the right way you create an environment where everybody rises up. campaigning in places that give people hope that their life is better because too many people
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are suffering today in america. >> 30 seconds. >> first of all, i am very happy about you denied that and i appreciate that very much. he's a true gentlemen. he really is. am one thing he did say -- i mean that. the one thing he did say about me was my tone. i also understand that but when you have people that are cutting christian's heads off, if you have a world at the border and so many places that it is medieval times it almost has to be as bad as it ever was in terms of the violence and the horror. we don't have time for tone. we have to go out and get the job done. >> subject of gay marriage and religious liberty. if you had a son or daughter who was gay or lesbian how would you explain to them the opposition to same-sex marriage? >> i am an old-fashioned person here and i happen to believe in trade traditional marriage. i also said the court has ruled. >> how do you explain it to your
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child. >> the court has ruled and i said we will accept it. guess what? i went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. because somebody doesn't think the way i do doesn't mean that i can't care about them or can't love them. if one of my daughters happened to be that of course i would love them and i would accept them because you know what? that is what we are taught. we have strong faith. issues like that issues like that are planted to divide us. i think the simple fact of the matter is and this is where i would agree with jeff and i have been saying it all along we need to give everybody a chance treat everybody with respect and let them share in this great american dream that we have megyn. i am going to love my daughters, i am going to love them no matter what they do. you know what? it gives me unconditiongod gives me unconditional love i am going to give it to my family and friends and people around me. >> senator paul.
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>> in the fake of the supreme court ruling on same-sex marriage carol fox on facebook wants to know the following. what will do you ensure prosecutors speak out against marriage and will they be forced to conduct business when they conflict with their moral beliefs. >> i don't want my marriage or guns registered in washington. if people have an opinion asit's a religious opinion that is hartley felt obviously they should be allowed to practice that and no government should interfere with them. one of the things that really got to me was the thing in houston where you have the government, the mayor actually trying to get the sermons of ministers. when the government tries to invade the church to force its own opinions on marriage that's when it is time to resist. >> senator walker?
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>> many in the black lives matter movement and beyond belief that overly' grist aggressive police officers targeting young americans is the civil rights issue of our time. do you agree and if so how do you plan to address it and if not, why not? >> the most important thing we can do is something you had a guest on who is a friend of mine mile walk sheriff david clark who talked many times about this in the past. it's about training and making sure law enforcement professionals not only a way into the positions but all of the way through the time have the proper training when it comes to use of courseforce and we protect and stand up and support those men and women doing their jobs in law enforcement and for the few that don't there are consequences to show we dreet everyone here -- treat everyone here the same in america. >> coming up more of our debate including questions about president obama's foreign policy and these guys and their better
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and afghanistan. his trip to russia appears to directly violate u.n. security council resolutions.to confine him is wrong. mr. president how would you respond to this? >> i would be so different from what you have. like the polar opposite. we have a president who doesn't have a clue. i would say he's incompetent. i don't want to dao that because that's not nice. but if you look at the deals we make whether it is the nuclear deal with 24-hour periods, and by the way before you get to the 24-hour you have to go through a system, you look at sergeant bergdahl, a traitor, and they get five of the great killers, leaders that they want. we have people in washington that don't know what they are
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doing. (scream in crowd) >> i agree. with iran we are making a deal you would say we want him. we want him. we want our prisoners. we want all of these things. we don't get anything. we are giving them $150 billion plus. they are going to be -- i tell you what if iran was the stock, you folks could go out and buy it right now. you are quad troubled. -- quadrupled. what happened in iran is a diskras it will threed to destruction in large portions of the world. >> another new development of the day. senior defense officials tell fox they strongly suspect russia was behind the cyber attacks on the chairman of the joint chief office. this comes in the wake of the director of national intelligence blaming the chinese for the largest ever cyber attack stealing personal data of 10's of millions of americans. senator cruz in your view have russia and china committed acts of cyber war and if you were president, what would you do
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with it?-- about it? >> of course they have ore the last 6, 7 years we have seen the consequences of obama clinton policy. leading from behind is a disaster. we have abandoned alienated our friends and allies and enemies are stronger. radical islam is on the rise. iran is on the versionge of acquiring nuclear weapons. russia, the iranian general the head of the alcuts forces is directly responsible for the murder of 500 servicemen in iraq and part of this iranian deal was lifting the international sanctions on the general. the day he flew back from moscow to iran was the day we believe russia used warfare against the joint chiefs. we need a new commander-in-chief that will stand up to our enemies and will have credibility. it is worth emphasizing that
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iran released our hostages in 1981 the day ronald reagan was sworn into office. >> doctor carson in august of 2012 president obama famously declared if syrian president ras sad used chemical weapons that's a red line for us and there would be enormous consequences. with over well can evidence assad used chemical weapons and crossed that red line president obama declined to use force against the assad regime. as president would you have used military force there? >> what we have to stop and think about is the fact that we have weakened ourselves militarily to such an extent that it effects our policy. our navy is the smallest size since 1917. our fairair force since 1940 and recent testimony the cam dant said half of the nondeployed
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units were not ready. the sec kwoeser ter is cutting the heart of our personnel. our generals are retiring because they don't want to be a part of this. at the same time our enemies are increasing. our friends can't trust them any more. ukraine was a nuclear arms state. they gave away their nuclear arms with the understanding that we would protect them. we won't even give them offensive weapons. we turn our back on israel our ally. in a situation like that of course obama is not going to be able to do anything. i would shore up our military first. if you don't get the military right nothing else is going to work. >> governor walker as president what would you do this splad mere put tin start russian president vladimir putin started a complain to >> first off for the cyber attack in russia the other day it is sad to think right now but
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probably the russian and chien need government know more about hillary clinton's e-mail server than do the united states congress. and that has put our national security at risk. if i am president he won't think about that. put tin believes of the attitude you probe with bayonets. when you find mush you push when you find steel you stop. obama and clinton we found a lot of mush we need national security that puts steel in front of our enemies. i would send weapons in ukraine and put nato on the eastern forces of poland and baltic nations and i would put in place the missile defense system we had in poland and in the czech republic. >> governor huckabee the culture of the military is changing women are moving into combat rolls don't ask don't tell has been dropped now defense secretary ashton carter recently directed the military to prepare for a moment when it is
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welcoming transgender persons to serve openly. as commander-in-chief whouhow would you handle that? >> the military is not a social experiment. the purpose of the military is kill people and break things. it is not to transform the culture by trying out some ideas that some people think would make us a different country and more diverse. the purpose is to protect america. i am not sure how paying for transgender surgery for soldiers airmen, marines makes our country safer. we have reduced the military by 25 percent under president obama. we have forgotten why we have a military. the purpose of it is to make sure we protect every american wherever that american is and if an american is calling out for help at benghazi or the border we out to be able to answer it. we have not done that because we have decimated our military. we are flying b-52's the most recent one put in service was
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november of 1962. a lot of the b-52's weren't plying we have 44 combat ready. most of them are older than me. that's pretty scary. >> senator paul the first budget you proposed as senator cut all financial aid to israel. you have since changed your view on that issue. what made you change your mind? >> let's be clear, i am the only one on the stage who has a five year budget that balances. i put pencil to paper announced it and said i would cut spending and said exactly where. each one of the budget has taken a meet ax at foreign aid. i think we ought to quit sending it to countries that hate us. i think we ought to quit sending it to countries that burn our flag. israel is not one of those, but even benjamin netanyahu said
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even those were longer when they were independent. we shouldn't borrow money from china to send it anywhere. why don't we start by eliminating aid to our enemies. >> you still say israel would be one of the countries that is cut from financial aid. >> i still say what my opinion is. do you borrow money from china to send it to any one. out of your surplus you can send it to your allies. israel is a great ally. this isn't against israel. i will say over and over again, we cannot give away money we don't have. we do not project power from bankruptcy court. we are borrowing a million dollars a minute. it has to stop somewhere. >> governor crist tee what do you think of that answer? >> listen if we want to deal with these issues we have to deal with nem in a way that makes sense. i agree with what dr. carson aid earlier. the first thing we need to do to make america stronger is strengthen our military. no less than 500 active duty
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soldiers in the army. no less than under 500,000 in the marine corps. bring us to a 350 ship nation again and modernize the submarines and bring our air force up to 2016 aircraft ready to go. those are the kinds of things that are going to send a clear message around the world those are the things we need to start working on immediately to make our country stronger and better. those are the things we need to be pable to do. as we move to foreign aid i don't disagree with the fact that we shouldn't be sending money to our enemies but we out to be able to fund and keep them strong and safe after eight years of this administration. >> can i jump in on this one? >> we are going to finish up with more questions. >> after the break we are going to let the candidates make their closing statements their final thoughts and god. stay tuned for that. terry will you shut up! you are adorable. thank you. ladies your belts all snugged
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receive a word from god in reading the scriptures and god speaks through the bible. i am the son of a pastor and evangelist and i described many times mowhow my father when i was a child was an alcoholic not a christian my father left my mother and left me when i was 3 years old and someone invited him to clay road baptist church and he gave his heart to jesus and it turned him around. he got on a plane and flew back to my mother and me. i willould also note that the scripture tells us you should know them by their fruits. we see lots of campaign conservatives but if we are going to win in 2016 we need a consistent conservative someone who has been a fiscal conservative a social conservative and national security conservativement there are differences among the candidates on issues like amnesty and obamacare and religious liberty like life and marriage. i fight and stand for religious
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liberty to stand against planned parenthood to defend life for my entire career. i will be proud to continue to do so as president of the united states. >> governor kasich same question. >> well megyn, my father was a mailman. his father was a coal miner. my mother's mother could barely speak english and their son today stands on this podium in the great state of ohio not only as the governor but a candidate for the president of the united states. i do believe in miracles. you know i have had a lot of elections. my elections are really not about campaigns. i tell my people these are about a movement. a movement to do what? restore common sense to provide economic growth and a movement not to let anybody be behind. the country is divided today. you ask a question about the police and difficulty and
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communities we have to unite our country again. we are stronger when we are united and weaker when we are divided. you have to listen to other people's voices respect them and but keep in mind i believe in terms of the things that i have read in my lifetime the lord is not picking us but because of how we respect human rights because we are a good force in the world he wants america to be strong, he wants america to succeed and wants america to lead. nothing is more important to me than my family my faith and my friends. >> governor walker same question. >> thanks megyn. i am certainly an imperfect man and it is only by the blood of jesus christ i have been redeemed for my sins. i know that god doesn't call me to do a specific thing. he hasn't bifgiven me a list of 10 commandments think back to the first day. all god calls us to do is follow will he his will. that's what i am going to try to
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do. i hope people have seen in my state the challenges when i had 100,000 protest hers around our capital doing what i thought was the right thing it wasn't just the political battles not responding in kind not lashing out but living a life in my way that would be a testimony to him and our faith. >> i want to mention a woman came to the stage and asked what about the veterans? i want to hear more about what these candidates are going to do for our nation's veterans. i put the question to you about god and the veterans which you may find to be related. >> i think god has blessed us. he has blessed the republican party with very good candidates. democrats can't ee find one. >> this country has been extraordinarily blessed. that is why god continues to
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bless us. he has blessed the young men and women willing to risk their lives sometimes die in uniform for the safety and security of our people. we have a va that doesn't do enough for them. i am proud last year we helped change the law. we changed the law to give the power to the va secretary the ability to fire any executive not doing their job. it is outrageous they have only fired one person to date. when i am president of the united states we are going to have a va that cares more about our veterans than the bureaucrats who work at the va. >> doctor carson. question to you about god and his role but also one of the issues that the public was very interested in and we touched on it earlier is race relations in this country and how divided we seem right now. what if anything we can do you would do as the next president to help heal that divide. >> i think the pulpit is a wonderful place to start healing that divide. we have the purveyors of hatred
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who take every single incident between people of two rateses and try to make a race for it and drive wedges into people. this does not need to be done. i was asked by an npr reporter once why don't i talk about race that often? because i am a neurosurgeon. she thought that was a strange nse. when i take someone to the operating room i am operating on the thing that makes them who they are. the skin doesn't make them who they are. the hair doesn't make them who they are. it is time for us to move beyond that. that, because -- (cheers) >> -- our strength as a nation comes in our unity. we are the united states of america not the divided states. those who want to destroy us are trying to divide us and we shouldn't let them do it. >> now, each candidate will make a closing statement.
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we will all have 30 seconds to make a closing statement for this debate. start with ohio governor john day kasich. >> you know tonight we hear about what people want to do. i want to tell you what i have done. i was a member of the armed services committee for 18 years. i spent a big chunk of my life studying national security issues and our role in the world. number two, i was chairman of the house budget committee and one of the chief architects the last time we balanced the budget and the first time we have done it since man walked on the moon. we had $5 trillion surplus and cut taxes. i spent 10 years in the private sector learning how business works now i am the governor of ohio and i inherited a state that was on the brink of dying and we have turned it all around with jobs and balanced budgets and rising credit and tax cuts and the state is unified and people have hope again in ohio. (cheers and applause)
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>> governor crist teehristie. >> thank you, begmegyn. i was born into a middle class family in ner see. my dad came back from the army interesting lost his father worked add worked at a briar plant. was the first in the family to put himself through college. his my mom was a secretary. i was appointed new jersey governor and spent the next ten years fighting terrorism and putting terrorists in jail. i am a conservative pro hive-life governor in a state that is tough to be both in a state like new jersey with lots of democrats and we balanced budgets and fought the teacher's union. this president has had weak leadership which led to bad choices we have to stop worrying about being loved and start being respected. that's how i will lead our country. >> senator paul closing statement. >> i am a different kind of
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republicans. introduced a 5 year balanced budget, introduced the largest tax cut in our history. i stood for 10 and a half hours on the senate floor to defend your rights to be left alone. but i have also gone to chicago i have gone to detroit, i have been to ferguson and baltimore because i want our party to be bigger, better and boulder and i am the only one that leads hillary clinton in five states that were won by president obama. i am a different kind of republican. >> senator marco rubio. >> thank you. both of my parents were born into poor families on the island of cuba. they came to america because it was the only place where people like them could have a chance. here in this country they never made it big but the purpose of their life was to give us the chance to do all of the things we never could. my father was a bartender and the journey from the back of the bar to this stage tonight that's the essence of the american dream. it is what makes our nation different and i am running for president because i want that to
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still be possible for the people trying to do that now. i run for president because i believe that we can't just save the american dream, we can expand it to reach more people and change more lives than ever before. the that's why i am asking for your vote so we can make america greater than it has ever been and make of this century a new american century. >> senator ted cruz. >> if i am elected president, let me tell you about my first day in office. the first thing i intend to do is rescind every illegal and unconstitutional executive action taken by barack obama. the next thing i intend to do is instruct the department of justice to open an investigation into the videos and to prosecute planned parenthood for any criminal violations. the next thing i intend to do is instruct the department of justice in the irs to start persecuting religious liberty and intend to cancel the iran deal and finally move the u.s.
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embassy in israel to jerusalem. i will keep my word my father fled cuba and i will fight to defend liberty because my family knows what it is like to lose it. >> dr. carson. closing statement. >> i haven't said anything about being the only one to do anything. i am the only one to separate siamese twins. (laughter) the only one to operate on babies while still in a mother's wombs the only one to take out half of a brain. although you would think if you have been in washington that someone beat me to it. (laughter) but i am very hopeful that i am not the only one who is killingwilling to pick up the baton of freedom. freedom is not treefree and we must fight for it every day. every one of us must fight for it because we are fighting for our children and the next
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generation. >> senator mike huckabee closing statement. >> it seems like this election has been a whole lot about a person who is very high in the polls that doesn't have a clue about how to govern. a person who has been filled with scandals and who could not lead and of course i am talking about hillary clinton. (laughter) i think america is in trouble, but it is not beyond repair. but it's going to take leadership to cease the greatness of this country and who believes that once again we can be one nation under god. i will do my best to do that and thank you for your supported. -- support. >> governor scott walker. >> thanks. i am a guy with a wife and two kids and a harley. one article called me
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aggressively normal. i ran for governor because i was worried about my kid's future. then i took on the big government union bosses and we won. they tried to recall me and we won. they target us again and we won. we balanced the budget cut taxes and durned our -- turned our state around with big bold reforms. it wasn't too late for wisconsin and it is not too late for america. that's why i ask for your vote. >> governor bush closing statements. >> here's what i believe. i believe we are at the verge of the greatest time to be alive in this world. washington is holding us back. how we tax, how we regulate we are not embracing the energy revolution in our midst a broken immigration system that has been politicized rather than turning it into an eek am noic driver. we are not protecting our retirement system for the next again layings. all of these things languish while we have politicians using these as wedge issues.
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we can fix these things. we can grow economically and restore america's leadership in the world so everybody has a chance to rise up. i humbly ask for your vote whenever you are going to get to vote whatever the proo i am mary is. thank you all very much. >> mr. trump closing statements sir. >> our country is in serious trouble. we don't win any more. we don't beat china in trade. we don't beat japan with their millions and millions of cars coming into this country in trade. we can't beat mexico at the border or in trade. we can't do anything right. our military has to be strengthened. our vets have to be taken care of. we have to end obamacare and we have to make our country great again. i will do that. thank you. >> gentlemen, thank you. >> it is over. >> that's it. >> are you relieved?
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they are like get me out of here. thank you all very much. that will do it for the first republican primary debate night of the 2016 presidential race. >> it is 9:00 p.m. on the east coast and a moment of truth has arrived. >> okay guys it's a big night for us. let's have a great show. here we go. >> i am bret baier live from quicken loans arena in cleveland ohio. >> you are doing great. megyn i need you to make a sports reference. people like that. >> they are lined up one after the other just like you might do at a sporting event. >> nice nice. jump in. say you are in the home of the cavaliers. the crowd will like that. >> we are in the arena with the cleveland cavaliers play in. >> we did our pregame warm-up. we were in the locker room like the actual locker room.
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