we will be back with our second hour in one hour. >> "outnumbered" starts now. >> breaking news with this fox news alert. one year after the death of michael brown, ferguson, missouri is bracing for what might be next. first, peaceful protest with people getting caught of rocks and bottles thrown and it got worse with gunfire. this is "outnumbered." i am harris faulkner, andrea tantaros, and kennedy is here and our guest is general jack keane. he is the chairman of the institute of study of war. and i am glad to say a general is outnumbered.

>> glad to be here. >> let's go. people were peacefully gathering in ferguson, missouri when gunfire broke out late last night. you can see it there in the middle of the screen, protesters running for their lives. st. louis county police chief described what happened when a suspect allegedly open fire on a police van. >> he engaged the officers at the time. there were four officers in that van. all four fired at the suspect and the suspect fell back. the officers were wearing, they are plain clothed officers were but wearing vest that said police on them at the time. >> the suspect was hospitalized in critical condition last check and activist are promising to ca

carry out a day of civil disobedience they are saying. a grand jury did not indict officer wilson who is no longer on the force. garret is live. >> reporter: the father of the suspect tells the st. louis post-dispatch that his son, tyrone harris junior was a close friend of michael brown. you can see michael brown's father led a march of more than a thousand people calling for peace and change. last night you can see little has changed from what we were looking at a year ago after the shooting death of michael brown. protesters slashed with police, pepper spraying several officers and throwing rocks in bottles and another officer was cut in the face when a brick was thrown at him. several businesses were broken into and looted. earlier in the evening, a local newspaper reporter was beaten and robbed while covering the protest.

and early this morning another two teenagers shot near the michael brown memorial. these groups that police say are there looking for trouble are the exception to the much larger peaceful protest that took place over the rest of the weekend. in total, five people have been arrested but police are still investigating all of the insudepende incide incidents. police are on the look out for trouble that might be coming today with several groups have been calling for wide spread civil disobedience. >> andrea, i heard you call this the summer of big city violence. what are your thoughts? >> i don't see how this helps. they are heaping tragedy on top of tragedy and it is undermining the peaceful protest that have a right to exist and happening. they are mourning the death of michael brown. but violence is not justified in

any case. this spike in crime we have seen in big cities across the country is a big thing. especially in new york. where you see the anti cop policies taking place. they want to take away the tools of the police, like stop and frisk, but this anti police mentality is spreading throughout the country. a lot of cops i talked to said they feel like they are sitting ducks and don't want to risk going into the dangerous neighborhoods because they could lose their life, their job, their family, their reputation. everything. because in the court of public opinion, when you see the facts coming out, and we need the facts in this case before ruling, they feel like they are already judged. >> you know, general, it is

interesting because you will see a tie-in between the police and the military. what are you thoughts on this situation? the police being told you can do your job but do it in a monified m -- modified manner. >> it seems the officers are taking place and getting polarized views in the country. there is a direct correlation with military operations. we were in iraq for three years after the invasion to 2006 we had the wrong strategy and were not protecting the people. then we put in a policy to tect their lives ahead of our own. we patrolled day and night and lived in their neighborhoods and ate in their neighborhoods and they befriended us, giving us

information, and the war turned around. when i took this to the mayor of new york who wanted to know what we were doing in iraq he said that is what we did in new york city. he said we had to identify with the people, defriend them, get interested in their issues, the policeman on the street was key, the sergeants who supervised were key. they were turning the gang bangers into drug users. >> the enemy would be the criminal then and you are befriending everybody else. >> there was a push back on the militarized view of how to patrol cities and towns across the country. >> i think the police and military should be separate. it should feel separate and they should behave differently. police should be part of the community. one of the complaints in

ferguson, citizens were saying we were overpoliced and now they are not there. you can imagine after what happened in places like baltimore that cops are hesitant to do their jobs effectively. i think it comes down to the tyranny of the minority. you have a small element of the protesters who are criminals and change the dynamic of a protest and turn it into a riot and then you have a tiny minority of bad cops. and you have these two small groups. and unfortunately, they end up changing the dynamic of what is going on so much that it is impossible to have a positive outcome. >> what really gets caught in the middle, we have not had recent conversations about the jobs, and small businesses in the area of ferguson and boston. >> i talked about it all morning on the business network. huge p. you have this violence and it makes the problem worse in cities like ferguson, missouri. this affected the stores who

will not be able to open today and for quite some time. they were broken into and looted. they are still paying for the effects of a year ago in ferguson. it is a long-lasting economic impact part of which causes some of the problem. when you have a high youth unemployment rate in places like ferguson -- it is hard to mnl imagine being a police officer and having your hands tied. >> that van filled with was filled with police officers inside. you heard the sheriff's deputy saying they didn't have on uniforms but were marked. you know that van is sitting in the middle of everything. you open fire on that you know you will hit somebody in. that vicious cycle, a day of disobedience, those stores will have to see if they are brave enough to open. >> we will follow this story on the channel. president obama issuing a new

warning to lawmakers who are unsure about the nuclear deal with iran. the president saying in a television interview the deal is not all that is at stake but striking it down risks credibility around the world. >> does the rest of the world take seriously the united states' ability to craft international agendas? to reach international agreements? to deliver on them in ways that garner the respect and the adherence from other countries. >> the president tripling down in that same interview on his comments comparing lawmakers against the deal to the hardliners in iran. this comes after another democrat says he will vote against it. the president's group on the

left is crumbling. we saw senators saying they will not support this deal. this is a bad deal. i am not sure what the united states gets out of. i have not heard the white house articulate the benefits of the deal. do you think if the deal goes through, if it does, what happens next >> i rely on the political experts on their vote and leaning. it seems like the votes will not be there to override the president's veto and that is disappointing because i, like you, believe this is a bad deal. you cannot imagine it being much worse than what it is truly is. because you get in five years, iran can do arms dealing at-will, they get their money back within probably 16-18 months, close to $150 billion to make the purchases, eight years they get ballistic missiles to

range to europe and the united states, and then in ten plus years they are spinning centrifuges and developing uranium and on the path to a nuclear weapon which is what we are supposed to stop with this deal. we have facilitated it. >> we almost strengthened them bringing money into the country, giving them $150 billion and essentially a rubber stamp from the united states of america. >> and don't forget about the oil they will be able to put on the mark. tens of billions. and we are expected to think sanction relief money would go back into the funding and fueling more terrorism. this recent polling out of mom met university was interesting to get the temperature of the american people. it showed the majority, 50%, feel iran got more out of this deal than we did. that is the general agreement.

but at the same time the polling reve revealed the general public doesn't appear convinced that congress should reject the plan. there is confusion on the part of the american people on what should happen here. >> i think that speaks to the issue it is available as a pdf online so people are reading it but not having the conversations with their lawmakers yet. they have a gap between now and say mid-september when lawmakers have to start to make decisions about this. that is the time you may see a more informed citizen on the issue. maybe. my question for you has to do with the timing. everything i am reading says that some of what you mentioned, may half, their weaponry and capability, is going to happen anyway. does this slow it down or speed it up? >> it will speed up them acquiring arms, speed up their ability to acquire ballistic missiles. it slows down the centrifuges

and the highly enriched uranium back. the bill does delay the nuclear acquirin acquiring. but the foundation and elements are so poorly put together it certifies and guarantees them a weapon. iran is a rogue state seeking regional domination. >> and not just domination but destruction of israel and death to america. i want to ask you something, because harris brought up a good point, people are wondering how we can stop this deal. it is congress. they are going home for august recess in the couple days and that is when the voters have their opportunity to make their voice heard. is there a chance now, people who are listening, can do something? >> when schumer made the

decision on the vote, i think it was a big signal to a lot of democrats, especially in the senate, signaling to them it is okay to question this deal because they will have to go back home and answer to the voters for a long time. they are not going to be termed out of their job. the president is saying this is reflection of how the world sees the united states and the ability to deliver on the international deal. no, it is actually a reflection of what a bad negotiator he is. i think the reflection is on him particularly and not necessarily the united states as a whole. >> remember secretary john kerry said, and i am going to quote him, this is going to screw over the ayatollah as if that should be the impetus we should make. >> he sounds like a hardliner when he talks about that. >> he said harsher words for the republicans here at home then the ayatollahs. one year after the air campaign began its isis, house speaker john boehner is slamming the

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instead of punting the crisis, it is time for president obama to change course and put forth a strategy to win this fight. all of this amid new reports

that isis is holding dozens of christians in a central syrian province. the warning provided said the terrorist group could be working toward mass casualty attacks. are we dreaming thinking the president is going to do anything more aggressive before the end of his term? >> we are dreaming. nothing is going to be done unless something catastrophic happens from isis in the united states. as time goes by, sadly, you come to the realization how fundamentally flawed their strategy is. isis developed in iraq as we know as a terrorist organization, took advantage of the situation in syria, because we refused to help the free syrian army, and then they built

a sanctuary base and organization as a result. recruited, trained and built internet and social media capability and their logistics and now we see a terrorist army invading another country, iraq, taking one third which they still hold, 40-50 percent of sanctuary and from that base they have expanded into seven other countries, so-called affiliates, and now have a world wide following. >> is there a tipping point like a particular country? turkey had the suicide bombings and we have a deal to land on their base putting six there right away and ramping up to 30. what country makes a difference? >> turkey has the best military in the area and second best in nato. >> can we count on them?

>> no, he is going to make a move toward us and continue to work against what he continues to believe is a threat to him and the kurdish organization identified by him and us as such. but he is trying support ourj t objective with isis. >> will you ever be able to get turkey to work with pkk? does turkey see the pkk the way we see al-qaeda? >> turkey looks it at much the same. the kurdish people are about 18% of the population in turkey and 15% of the population in iraq and 9% iran and 3% in syria. they are the largest ethnic group of people without a country. this is about 30 million people.

they have been pushing back on the turkey regime and seeing it as a terrorist organization. you can understand from the turkish government why that is the case. our focus is isis and we'll not get there until we get assad out of power. >> so isis and assad at the same time? >> the main effort is syria. the reason why cyst exist as an organization -- isis -- and it is expanding is because of the bases in syria. and people say there is no military solution but there is an obvious one. they own millitaries -- military and military exist to take the place. >> who takes assad's position?

>> i am not suggesting this isn't complicated. but i am suggesting the only way you get the arabs involved and the turks is getting a political solution with assad. >> that makes me nervous. assad's enemy is isis and i don't trust the administration seeing what happened in egypt and libya and the muslim brotherhood. i want to ask you what is the relationship currently between the white house and the department of defense? >> well, it is bifurcated in a couple ways. with the pentagon it is fairly close. general dempsey, who i know well, he supports the president's policies. but when you get down to the operating level, below that and the people in iraq, they absolutely believe we are not doing enough.

they are very concerned about afghanistan in the sense they will make the same mistake. next year we are pulling all of the forces out of afghanistan. that is the president's policy. he is a man of his word. you have to give him credit. but i believe he will make the same error he made in iraq and the military is opposed to that >> i don't think he is getting credit for that. he is getting criticized for not changing the policy when needed. hillary clinton is taking more jabs at republicans trying to fend out going support for senator bernie sanders. will the new aggressive approach pay off? [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks] right on cue. [cat meows] ♪meow, meow, meow, meow... it's more than just a meal, it's meow mix mealtime. with great taste and 100% complete nutrition, it's the only one cats ask for by name.

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aggressive stance now launching jabs at jeb bush. in the mean time, bernie sanders is drawing an estimated 28,000 people at an event over the weekend in oregon and that is the largest turnout for any candidate thus far. a lot of people are feeling that berm. and carly fiorina is seeing a huge surge in support as well following the performance in last week's debate. >> for many this is the first time they saw wow, there is another woman running for president and she is good. we have an uptick in financial support so it is exciting. >> you called this last week, she was the star breakout from the first 5:00 debate. >> from both.

she got the biggest boost out of any of the 17 candidates on either stage. we will see how in-depth she is from this point forward. now what matters is maintaining that, raising money, and dealing with the issues and dealing with donald trump. i thought she did very well in the earlier debate. >> yeah, i thought she did, too, harris. she handled that question, i thought pitch perfect. she brought up trump's flopping and she is polish and ready to go. another thing she is doing is going right to the voters. all of the other gop candidates seem to be running re-election candidates. but carly is taking the message to the people. >> it probably feels like that but she is starting with her ideas and that is is coming from the business world. she segued into her platform and

acknowledged the news of the day and moved on. it is time for us to start looking at infrastructure with the candidates. i know it seems like the clock is ticking early, summer of 2015, but that money has to go somewhere. what kind of infrastructure will carly fiorina put together? that will make a difference in places like iowa and new hampshire who is donald trump's numbers were up in both states before the debate and can he carry it through? what will that look like? >> especially if you are anti-establishment and politician the grassroots are critical to the success of your campaign. >> sandra, money is important and more money will flow wherever people think they have strength, which is carly fiorina, however harris brings up a good point. the ground game. there are candidates like scott walker who made iowa their main

focus spending millions and all almost every weekend. >> one thing i think the general population was a fan of who they listened to carly fiorina was her lack of emotion. everyone was prepared to see an a woman get emotional directing addressing hillary clinton or the person next to her. i think it was huge to show you can remove emotion from the debate. raising money could be an ent e entirely different story. wall trestreet is going to be interested. i think it is still an open slate. >> who do you like? >> no comment. i am excited because i think the american people are in for a great ride here. there is obviously a number of qualified candidates on the republican side. there is obviously a person qualified on the democratic side that had a lot of experience. there is very different

political views being expressed and clear choice for the american people. i think fox absolutely knocked it out of the ballpark with that debate. >> i think the numbers proved that. >> amen the organization said it was a great debate. it is a democratic tradition but the jefferson jackson dinner in iowa is going to be the last one there. the state's democratic party is starting work to change the name of the poplar event. the dinner is named after president thomas jefferson and andrew jackson who owned slave and jackson has been called out to remove native americans from the south. are they trying to white wash history in changing the name? >> first of all, it is there organization and their

fundraising and they have the right to call it what they want. but i think there have disturbing things. this is america's history. it certainly has warts on it as any country does. i don't like to walk away from the history. that is just a matter of principle. i want everybody to understand what was right and wrong about it. at the end of the day, they have a right to name the fundraiser what they want. >> i think this is a great thing. and a couple months ago i asked democrats on twitter to change the name because hillary clinton went to one of these dinners and attacked the republican party at the same thime -- time for the confederate flag. it was nicky haley to took the flag down, but democrats are so demanding on everybody on the right get right with race. democrats have a really sorted, seedy past. they are party of the con

federacy and ignored it. >> it is a president pretty recent past. >> the question in my mind is who checked the box and what was the tipping point. i am curious to know the impetus behind the decisions like this. it is because it is politically correct? do they think it is the right thing to do? if you are going to call for everybody else, you have to step up. >> what should they name it? >> it is so fascinating to get a general's take on it. when you look back at everything that has been changing with u.s. history and erasing and sanitizing and walking names off things and taking flags down this is an unbelievable time for the american people. >> i think the flag has a special symbol and appropriate the actions taken.

it is a rich and colorful history and the president has made mistake and the country has made mistakes. but there is no country in the world like ours and no country that admits mistakes as publically as we do and exposes it not only to our own scrutiny but the world to see. >> and has that sort of academic discussion of what it means to evolve as a country and having said that you don't have to discount historical figures to move forward. >> you don't. but there is hypocrisy on the left. the have a bizarre past of cherry picking when it comes to certain religions and race and i applaud them for trying to do

something to make that better >> a law school is offering to reimburse part of the tuition if the student can't get a job right after. is that a good idea? and what the do the students who find a job get for being successful? we will discuss.

a money-back guarantee for your education. one british law school will give back half of the tuition to students who can not find a job nine months after graduating. a school here is giving 15% refunds if you cannot find a job within nine months of review. >> this gives incentive to not

find work. that is great because you get to sit around. you might as well go work for netflix and take a year off. this is problematic because it looks like the institution doesn't have faith in itself but maybe it colleges guaranteed success people wouldn't stack up so much debt. >> what is the job? the problem i have with this is college is just as a business. you have money back-guarantees now? what is happening? >> a lot has to do with enrollment. i know in the united states, in law school, i am a trustee at my school, and it has a law school

in town and the reality is law schools are going down in terms of enrollment. and this is obviously some kind of inceptive to do it. >> you know, my dad used to say this. >> the degree helps your resume but the point is you can have that piece of paper but there is so much you control in your own destiny. i mope that doesn't take this out of the equation. school and smarts isn't a hundred percent of what keeps you going. >> you can get a better college

education in a closet than you can in a university these days. so the andrea -- >> like the kissing game. >> maybe if they had the kissing game at law school more people would go there. incentvise success. what if you get a good job in the first year you get half of the tuition back. >> this is an endorsement for the university and not an issue. if your college is offering that you might ask questions. target is responding after customers com plained about the way the store was labeling products for boy and girls like building sets. is a change needed or are we becoming too politically correct? >> in the middle of the aisle

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more "outnumbered" in just a moment but first to jon scott on what is coming up in hour two of "happening now." >> protest to mark the death of

michael brown turn violent. there were several shootouts and one man injured. attorney general lynch is condemning the violence. we are keeping an eye on this developing story. another firefighter died in northern california as fires continue to playing that drought-stricken event. dow is up more than one percent at the hour. we will check the markets and tell you why this week might be the best time to book that christmas vacation. it is all ahead on "happening now." >> thanks, jon. target is ditching many libels labels that determine if an item is a boy or girl. the chain says it agrees with the feedback it is getting and that in some departments labeling products by gender is

not necessary. but gender labels will remain on kid's clothing forfeit -- for fit and size material. kennedy, you used it in reference of something else but tyranny of the minority. >> i think that is what this is. a few gum slappers making a big deal going on facebook. i get sick of facebook politics but people trying to get each other all worked up and here they go. and target is terrified that all sorts of moms on twitter and snap chat are no longer going to go to target. >> i wonder if there is not something to what you are saying. this is the statement target issued back the to people. we heard you and aawe agree -- e

agree. >> who is we? i think this is a really dumb idea and i don't see what this does to kids having labels for boys and girls. to mix it all together denies there is differences between the sexes. >> target has good intention putting girl's building sets saying we should get more girls in the engineering. let's get girl's building sets and separated them because they are -- >> the tutus are going to be labelled as such? >> they are keeping the clothes. >> you have a little boy and girl what are your thoughts? >> they can't walk or talk. >> one of them is. >> when i go into the aisles and i say great job for target.

i am not saying they should have done this or bowed down to pressure from one women who griped about this. but they listened to their customer, which is a lot of moms going in with kids and deciding what to buy. target answered the call removing gender from the aisle and i think it is great because i don't like when they tell me which section to go shop in for my baby girl like she cannot play with something in the boy's section. i don't think it adversely affects anyone. >> i get excited to the tall section. what are your thoughts? >> the retail business in the united states is one of the most competitive business to be in. they are customer-focused and if target thinks this will put more people at the cash register that is what this is about.

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>> one of the fastest growing sports in america involves a chair and a video game controller. e-sports taking on every arena in seattle with tens of thousands gathering to watch teams of gameers compete for a record $18 million in prison money. that is bigger than the purse for the masters golf tournament and the kentucky derby. this is so much money. people love video games, harris. a lot of people are not going to be professional football players and they know that. >> anybody can sit on the couch and do damage with opposable thumbs? >> anyone can be a great gamer

or hero in south korea and get a chunk of the purse. >> you can play things that give you a smaller purse, my husband is proof of that. could they jog in place while doing this so they can stay fit? >> if you are not talking about a group of people -- you are talking about university of harva harvard, florida state university, 10,000 people playing in the biggest college league. some of thes events garnered crowds of 90,000 people online to watch them. >> and generals, often times the armed forces people love to compete. >> americans love to compete. >> you have such an incredible mind i bet you would be a super

force. >> i stopped after capturing the princes on mario. we will see you back tomorrow at noon eastern. "happening now" now starts now. blip