>> we saw a difficult situation in ferguson, missouri a year ago, and it resumed last night. we're hoping for peace tonight. on all sides, no one gets hurt, and everyone follows the law. we'll see you tomorrow night at 9:00. thanks for joining me. >> tonight, raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. >> polls are in, and also, is donald trump changing his mind about a possible third party >> i would knock the hell out of them. >> and then donald trump's plan to make isis work. >> i would put boots on the >> i would put boots on the >> lieutenant colonel oliver north is here. and ben man carson, they are here to debate their strategies. and the latest out of ferguson, missouri, hanitty starts right here right now.

>> welcome to hanitty tonight. could donald trump change his mind about a possible run for the presidency? a senior trump adviser said that trump may pledge to not run as a third party candidate and he doesn't get the nomination, and however, he pulled back on that, after last week's debate when he refused to pull out as a third partykf9eg candidate. >> raise your hand if you won't make that pledge tonight. >> mr. trump. >> i have to respect the person, if it's not me, the person that wins, if i do win and i am leading by quite a bit, that's what i want to do. i can totally make that pledge, if i'm the nominee, i won't run as an independent. and i am discussing it with everybody. it's a lot of leverage. and i want to win and we will win, but i want to win as the

republican, and i want to run as the republican nominee. >> to set the record straight, michael cohen is back with us, and you've been with donald trump for how manyiers? >> close to ten. >> when he says leverage, it makes me think he doesn't want to go third party, but he. to be treated fairly. >> your interpretation is exactly correct. what he's looking for, he's looking to be dealt with exactly the same way that all of the outlets are dealing with the other candidates. fairly and equally and he wants his opportunity to run. >> let's go to the controversy surrounding the debate, and there has been a lot of back and forth since the debate. but you have some news to tell us that it's kind of over. >> it is over. mr. trump and roger rails spoke today. and mr. trump has been assured by roger rails that he's going to be treated fairly and equally and the entire incident with

megyn kelly is now over, and nothing to report on that. >> and i'm looking forward to talking to him tomorrow, and we're looking forward to seeing him. a lot of things happened this weekend. roger, a consultant, left the campaign and did an interview and said the nicest things about donald trump. >> because there are only nice things to say about donald trump and roger and mr. trump have been friends for years. >> why didn't he want us to vote for him? >> i think that his feeling, he was being marginalized a little bit, more than he would have liked, but roger is a great guy, and roger maybe wanted to play a different role and it was not available. there's no on doubt in my mind that if he picks up the phone and he wants to speak to mr. trump, mr. trump will take his call. he's going to have input as they

progress further in this campaign. >> we have donald trump leading in iowa, where historically somebody conservative would be leading, you have a 19-point lead there. and second goes to scott walker and that's a big lead in iowa. nbc has him up 23 point, an increase from the previous polls, and the two other polls that have him significantly since the debate. >> you have the morning consult poll, that has him up 32% in that poll. 7% increase for mr. trump in that. and here's the thing, which is why mr. trump wanted to be treated fairly and equally because the people want him. the people are the ones that are adamant that mr. trump should be heard. that his message, which is resonating of an open and honest and productive donald trump, this is what they're looking for.

>> looking at the polls, ted cruz jumped into second place in the nbc poll. and benjamin netanyahu is third. carly and marco are tied at fourth. for the most part, we're talking about all insurgent candidates here. and explain why donald is doing so well, when everybody after the immigration comments, and after the mccain comments, and after the dust up that was over with fox. >> who would have thought in any type of campaign that the candidate would be finished. it's a trump phenomenon going on. he's honest and unscripted and he speaks from the heart. and people see and feel it. they're sick and tired of what's going on in washington, republican and democrat. i walk down the street and i see friends on both sides. they have had enough. we have had enough of them stealing from us, and they'reew. it'sing from that you bring up carly fiorina, she's the one who

also had an increase, and everybody else was basically flat. >> ted cruz nearly doubled his poll numbers. >> but the poll numbers weren't great in the first place. less than double digits behind mr. trump on this. nobody can do what he does. he speaks from the heart. and people give him a pass when it comes to the word smithing. because they're not interested in the single words. they're interested in what donald trump can do for us. if he can do for us what he did for his own company, went him. >> let me ask you, so he has been able to defy all conventional wisdom and basically controversies that may have killed other candidates. and does he pivot now -- do you as his friend and adviser say that he pivots -- for example, he laid out his plan to defeat isis which we'll talk about in the program. is that your preference?

>> that's his preference. his preference is not to get bogged down in the crazy post-debate nonsense. he's not interested in that. he wants to make america great again, and he wants to talk about immigration reform and the economy. nobody can make a deal better than donald trump. he wants to talk about how am i going to show the rest of this country how we can create jobs so that every american has a job. how are we going to bring our businesses back to america and retake the billions of dollars overseas, that's his strength and that's all that anybody cares about. >> a last question, the red state event. i've known eric for a long time. and my call would have been to ask him things, and i believe in more debate and not less. was that a mistake? do you think that he should have had the opportunity? >> i'm actually glad that this happened. and mr. trump didn't have to be anywhere near eric casebolt son.

he's a horrible human being, and some of his tweets, he called them female inat it zis. and an ugly woman that couldn't get a date. these are not things that you can't put into a tweet. this is a guy that puts it down on twitter and sends it out with no repercussion, and he's going to comment about donald trump? >> we're just out of time, michael cohen, see you tomorrow. appreciate it. and also tonight, the reports that donald trump will start to focus on policy specifics this week, and here's donald trump laying out ideas. >> i would like to see a private system without the artificial lines around every state. i have a big company with thousands and thousands of employees, and if i'm negotiating in new york or new jersey or california --

>> i would simplify the tax code. and you have to do that. if you don't do that, i can just tell you from my own standpoint, my tax, and the number of pages is -- today literally be ten feet high if i put them together. >> save medicare, medicaid and social security without cuts. have to do it. get rid of the fraud, get rid of the waste and abuse, but save it. people have been paying in for years, and now many of these candidates want to cut it. you save it by making the united states, by making us rich again and taking back all of the money that's being lost. >> i watch these people on television, and when it comes to the wall, they make a fortune with us, they make a fortune. between the oil and the cars and the economic development and the fact that you lose all of your factories and move to mexico. trust me, they're going to pay for it.

>> doug shown out numbered our cohost. and i like the substance of any candidate. he had a number of battles this weekend. and he comes out of it with higher poll numbers, and now he's on substance. good strategy? >> it's the best strategy for him. he needs to stay focused on the issues and not take the bait and get mired in personal attacks, it's going to hurt him. and i think that attacking each other personally or attacking and going off script and taking their eye off the ball, i think that hillary's smile gets bigger and bigger and bigger. as a party, republicans have a lot of battles to fight. the iran deal and isis, and political borders. we should not be fighting each other with personal attacks. >> democrats have their own problems. bernie sanders had 20,000 people

out in oregon and hilliary clinton can't get 5. >> i think that you're absolutely right. that hillary's best asset goinge the intermural squabbles between the republicans. if the republicans turn to the issues, sean, they can win the election, and if they fight about personality and get mired in social issues, they're doing what hillary wants. >> i view this entire process as good, healthy and makes the candidates sharper and stronger, and at the end of the day, when one of these guys emerges, they need to be tough against the machine that is racist and sexist and grandma, i want to kill her. >> you have to have answers for that. if you can't have questions now about your own words, you're never going to be able to defeat hilliary clinton. >> that's why the process makes you stronger. >> of course it does, it makes you stronger in you react in a

respectable manner, and if you don't and you stay in the gutter, it doesn't help you, it's simple. >> the republican brand has problems. it has improved and i thought it was a very, very good debate on thursday. issues will elect the republicans, and inclusion will elect the republicans. solutions. >> so looking for solutions to the problems that are plaguing your party. >> you remember the penny plan which you were advocating? >> yeah. >> we didn't hear any talk about those ideas. donald trump didn't talk about job creation, and that's where the lectorate is, and where the republicans -- >> he has their attention, and he's making -- >> sean, mr. trump brings up a lot of good points. donald trump, he was at the debate and never would be talking about it if it wasn't for him. he's right on a lot of issues, and he has the loudest making ma

phone to go against the administration. >> i like t. >> the republican ideas are winners if they're ideas, and not attacks. >> you heard it from doug first. sean, an endorsement? >> up next, on hanitty. >> boots on the ground in those areas, and what you're doing is cutting off a big portion of their money source. >> donald trump says that he will put boots on the ground to defeat isis, and later tonight, 2016, gop presidential candidates. governor kasich and carson. they will explain how to capitalize on the performances. straight ahead. you pay your auto insurance premium every month on the dot. you're like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal... until your insurance company jacks up your rates.

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obviously the police will to be peaceful. back to you. gíey >> hi, welcome back to hannity, and tonight, we continue our analysis of donald trump's candidacy, and whether or not he would consider a third party run if not nominated by the gop. here is charles hurt, and i know that the republican party wants this. you heard michael cohen, charles, and he said this is just a leverage point, and he's not really considering it, but he wants to be treated respectfully in the process. what are your thoughts on it? >> the thing about donald trump, and this is what we have seen all along, sean, he thinks differently than every other politician. he doesn't look at something in terms of how do i win, but how

do i get what i want? that's what he's touting as his strong suit. and that's what the voters are tapping into with him. he's a -- they feel like they know him, they feel like they trust him. and he's a figure they have seen on tv for a long time. and whatever you think of him, he doesn't alter that character. >> that would also explain the post-debate pole numbers. jonah? >> i'm not sure that i understand what charlie is talking about. but i agree that his personality holds -- but with the policies, they change with the wind. and he has changed a lot. in terms -- my concern here, i think him ruling out a third party run is the right and good thing to do, it was leverage all along, but someone who is much more conservative than donald trump, i find this idea that he's this rock and he tells the truth like it is, he's just now

said about his plan for illegal immigration, he wants to deport all 11 million of them, pick out the terrific ones and bring them all back. that's a very complicated way of doing amnesty. his position on healthcare, he would replace obamacare. >> he said that to me in an interview that i said with him, he would give them the opportunity to expedite the process for citizenship that would not be guaranteed. listen, do you share the anger? i know you're a conservative. i'm a conservative, i'm angry at republicans for their promises that they make every election cycle. i'm angry that they don't fulfill them, they don't use the power of the purse, and they make ted cruz a pariah. those are all good things for ted cruz, and i think that one of the things, he wisely hasn't criticized donald trump, but

he's soaking up a lot of the anger that belongs in the ted cruz column, and i think that ted cruz is strategically waiting. >> it's a strategy, but the republicans won't use the power of the purse. they said that they would stop executive amnesty, and they ended up funding it, jonah. >> i have no objection with people being angry at the republican party or their failures on the job. you can argue the pros and cons all you like, but the idea that donald trump, there's no evidence that he actually is a conservative. if somehow the proper vessel for that anger. he has the thumb in the eye of a lot of people, and people don't like the pundits and the establishment and love watching donald trump show them up, fine, but in terms of actual policy, i don't believe for a moment that this guy is a sincere conservative, and there's nothing in his record that's the case, and i think that this is one of the tantrums that he's

having, and donald trump has great enemies, you have to give him that. >> it's impressive. people predicted his demise, and the posted debate. and the numbers keep going up toy. >> earlier today, donald trump reveals his plan to wipe out isis, and unlike many of his rivals, trump is proposing boots on the ground. >> they have great money, because they have oil. every place they have oil, i would knock the hell out of them. and i would put boots on the ground in those areas, and take the oil. you are cutting off a big portion of their money source, and to do that, i would knock the hell out of them, but put a ring around it. and take the oil for our country. >> lieutenant colonel oliver north, sir. you know, i like this idea. of putting a stranglehold on where isis is getting their money. to me, it should be part of any

strategy, and could that work, colonel? >> well, look, it could be part of a strategy, as you put it, sean, but mr. trump's proposal to deal with isis simply by dealing with money, i suppose fits the model of the man, but it's not a strategy. the obama administration does not have a strategy, and neither does mr. trump. it's to be being expected. he would be focused on the financial aspect of oil. but winning a war against radical islam that's waging a war against us is different than building a golf course or a resort. >> as part of the strategy, you have to admit, now that the president, we have all of this blood and treasure that literally poured into the grounds of iraq, only to give mosul and ramadi and tikrit back to isis? and we don't stop it even as

these americans died? they get a lot of money from the oilfields. >> they have, and to the extent they can control the area around baiji, which is in the northwest corner of iraq, they have the access to the oil. but a couple of things that are important, oil is a fraction today than it was when they started. and the obama game plan has produced nothing but refugees, 2 and a half million of them from area to iraq, entire christian villages have been annihilated. it's a genocide. >> what would you add to that strategy? >> okay, number one, recognize the enemy for what it is. the enemy is radical islam. any presidential candidate who can't say that ought not to be commander in chief of the united states. very seriously. isis is gaining daily, and if we want to defeat isis, here's what

any presidential candidate ought to do. directly arm the kurds, the christian brigades of the peshmerga and work with the sunni front, through jordan. and number two, put more u.s. intelligence surveillance, reconnaissance and search and rescue in jord not, not just in turkey, but along with the marine air-ground task force, because using the air power makes us look impotent. and number 3, put on the ground with the kurds, the national salvation front, and the iraqi army, but not the shiite militias. number four, provide logistic support for jordanian logistic support to go into anbar province, you and i fought day in and ou out of there. that's the key to the security in iraq. the key to not just isis but the

iranians, and fifth and most importantly, destroy the will to fight by killing the isis leadership and destroy the safe haven like they have in syria and libya. that's the answer to this whole thing. what's happening, the iranians validates the sunni islam from the shiites and the persians. if i may, the quick shout out to the staff at walter reed national medical center, and by the way, u.s. air corp, fighting to save his only remaining leg. >> all right, our prayers, colonel, and good to see you. i like your strategy too, well thought out as usual. coming up next on hannity. >> the only one to take out half of a brain, although you would think when you go to washington that someone had beat me to it. >> dr. ben carson, looking to

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>> welcome back to hannity. and so many people have been saying that dr. benjamin ben cas one of the big winners in last week's debate. >> we have gotten into a mindset of fighting politically correct wars. there's no such thing as a politically correct war. and the left will say that carson doesn't believe in the geneva convention. he doesn't believe in fighting stupid wars. i was asked why don't i take good race, and i said i'm a neurosurgeon. and i said when i take someone

to the operating room, i'm operating on the thing that makes them who they are. the skin make them who they are, and the hair doesn't. and it's time to move beyond that. i'm the only one to separate siamese internships. the only one to operate on babies while still in the mother's womb. and the only to take out half a brain, but if you go to washington you would think somebody beat me to t. >> all right, goining me, dr. ben carson. that was a great comment, operating on siamese twins half. can you survive without half of a brain? >> actually, you can quite easily. children, the other part of the brain has the ability to take over the functions. >> you were the closest in the debate poll that we have seen,

with 11%. and why do you think that has happened? why are you surging and why is ted cruz, an insurgent suddenlying and carly fiorina? what is it saying about the republican party. >> i think that it's that people are listening to what the candidates are saying, and recognizing a failed policy. we have been going with democrats and republicans for decades now, and they say wonderful things during the elections but they don't do anything, and we can't continue down that pathway, and i think that people recognize that. >> you know, it's interesting. i read your comments on race, and why don't i talk about race. explain what you meant by that. because i'm a neuro surgeon. you know, that was interesting to me. >> the point being, you know, so many people are very superficial. and they look at a person's external appearance and they make a judgment based on that, when that has nothing to do with

who that person is. it's the brain, that's what controls who we are, and we need to think about what dr. martin luther king said, the content of your character, and not the color of your skin. >> that's a great observation, and it's interesting, because obviously, we have been watching ferguson in the last two days and tonight. and bernie sanders had a rally, and this group, "black lives matters," took over the podium and they allowed them to do it. and watch happened. >> thank you, seattle, for being one of the most progressive cities in the united states of america. >> we're trying to be reasonable. >> we're reasonable! [ booing ] >> "black lives matters"! "black lives matters"! [ chanting ] >> i want to welcome you, bernie, to westlake, where we

say that "black lives matters." >> the group took over his whole rally, and then governor o'malley, running as a democrat, said "black lives matters" and white lives matter and then apologized for saying that. what was your reaction to that? >> my reaction is we're looking and concentrating on the wrong things. what we need to be concentrating on are the solutions to the problem. we can point fingers at each other until doomsday and all that's going to do is create more conflict. i think that there are some who enjoy the conflict and derive power from the conflict. but we have to be smarter than that. if we're going to solve the problems going on in our inner cities, we need to think about introducing police officers into those communities early on, so that little johnny's first encounter with the police is one of somebody that he likes, somebody who is playing ball with him, and not somebody

chasing him down an alley with a gun.'gb"ñ >> you're the soft-spoken candidate. and your personality is probably very different than donald trump. and you're now surging a little bit in the polls here. and i guess my question. asked about the issue of experience, your background is not in politics. does that matter? can you take on the most powerful job in the entire world without that experience? and why do you think you can? obviously, you think you can. >> well, the political class would have you believe that they are the only ones who can do it. no one else has the brain power to do it. or the experience to do it. but what they forgot is that it is wisdom that will solve the problems. now, i agree that it's important to have people around you who are experienced in lots of different areas. there's no one individual who knows everything. but that's a great difference when it comes to wisdom and knowledge.

wisdom is very hard to come class. there are a lot of fools who have phds. i know a lot of them. >> well said, dr. carson. thank you for being with us, and congratulations on the great debate and thank you for being here. >> thank you so much, john. >> coming up next right here on hannity. >> the lord is not picking us, because of how we respect human rights and because he wants a good force in the world, he wants america to be strong and succeed and to lead. >> up next, governor john kasich, he's seeing a surge in his popularity after a strong debate performance. presidential candidate up ♪ your body was made for better things than the pain, stiffness, and joint damage of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. before you and your rheumatologist decide on a biologic, ask if xeljanz is right for you. xeljanz is a small pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well.

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of people felt they were being introduced to you for the first time in that debate, does that surprise you? >> well, sean, being the star of heartland on fox, you would have thought -- but you know, sean, seriously, somebody took a hit at me because i said this. but i was just taking care of ohio.kiç not traveling around in new hampshire or anywhere in the country, just trying to fix the state. and not only are we up to 350,000 jobs, but the largest tax cuts of any sitting governor. almost $5 billion, including basically eliminating income tax for small businesses, killing the death tax now we're working on killing the deaths but haven't figure that out yet. things are going well in ohio and we have diversified the economy. we not only balanced the budget but paid down the most in history. and cut risk taking.

so you know it's all about free market and free enterprise and economic growth. >> 57 million african-american women out of work in the labor pors force. the worst numbers. 50 million in poverty. can you apply those exact same principles and policies and make it work nationally? you're saying that you can take an 18 trillion-dollar budget deficit or debt that we have, and $128 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and you can fix that? >> well, sean, just remember, you always talk about when i was budget committee chairman in washington, and remember, when i left washington after having completed that effort we made, and i spent ten years of my life getting there, we had a $5 trillion surplus, and to your chagrin and mine, it was blown. and a lot of republicans participated in that. but yes, we don't need to be

balanced overnight. we need to have a credible plan that sends the word to the markets, and we need to begin to deregulate so we're not snuffing out the job creators in the country, and we have to get back to common sense and shift washington back to where we live. >> you mentioned the trump phenomenon in the debate and you understand why he's doing so well. i'm a conservative, and i'm angry at the republican party. every election season, yeah, we're going to fight hard and repeal and replace obamacare, but they wouldn't stand with ted cruz when he was fighting the power of the purse, and they said they weren't going to stand with the immigration, and they ended up funding it. they make promisees and we expect them to fill it. are the republicans losing the base of their party by not fighting hard, and is that why trump is popular? >> well, first of all, sean, my

father was a mailman, and i come from a blue collar democrat town where i grew up, and people are always suspicious of things including big government. and they don't think that things are working well. i used to say in the old days when i was in congress, if you don't want to get your constituents, wait a couple of weeks, and people seeing the veterans administration, and they're so frustrated by all of this. but one of the things that i learned, you can't lead as effectively from the legislative branch. you need to have an executive that shows the way. and frankly -- >> you didn't have a republican president when you put that balanced budget in place. >> no, no, and i was involved in welfare reform. and i was involved interviewing the balancing the budget. and we were able to do it. but when you're saying to me, why are we not doing better now? i think it's maybe a matter of leadership. and i'm saying if we can get a

president and keep the house and the senate, we're going to have 90 to 120 days to really make a remarkable change in this country to drive economic growth. to send power out of the town and to fix the tax code. we can do this, sean. i was there when we did it once, and we did it again in ohio. i know how to do it. you can't go in there listening to special interests, or having people talk you out of what you want to do. you have to be firm, pleasant, smile and just charge on. >> all right, governor, i want the governor to be fixed and i think like a lot of people watching, they're not happy where we're heading. governor, good to see you. >> sean, i wouldn't be doing this if i didn't love my country, and i didn't think that the miracle of america needs to be revived. thanks, sean, you're the best. >> state of emergency tonight in thanks, sean, you're the best. >> state of emergency tonight in ferguson, missouri, after

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to get, but everyone is hoping for peace. back to you now, for "hannity". state of emergency emergency issued for st. louis county after gun violence broke out last night in ferguson, missouri. joining me now is the attorney

for michael brown's family, darrell clark. this is what we know. michael brown robbed a store. he intimidated a clerk. he fought a cop for his gun. he kept charging after a cop, after being told not to do so. and we're back to this, you know, hands up, don't shoot, which never happened. why would people mark the anniversary when in many ways, had he not act -- if he hadn't acted that way, this would not have happened? >> sean, without question at the bottom of all of this is a young man, 18 years old, lost his life. so his parents feel deeply for the loss of his life. . >> i understand that. but his behavior resulted in what happened in part. no? >> no. we disagree with that. we think we have a strong case. >> you can rob a store, push a clerk, charge at a cop as eye

witnesses testified you're not going to win that case. >> those things weren't happening at the time when officer wilson shot him. yesterday is more about memorializing one year after michael brown's death. that is what we are celebrating yesterday. >> don't we teach young people you can't reach into a police officer's car and try to take his gun because that cop is going to feel his life is in jeopardy? don't we need to teach that, too? you don't rob a store, an innocent owner and push his clerk into a rack of potato chips? >> we also have to teach our cops thousand properly engage young people when you find them in the community. you don't tell them to get their blank on the side of the sidewalk. both have to work on to make this a better situation. >> is michael brown at fault at all here?

do you not see anything that contributed to this? >> there are some things as an 18-year-old he probably should not have done, however, his death was caused by an officer who totally overreacted and shot him. >> you don't think fighting a cop was part of that? >> it's almost like what we saw? south carolina. officer and walter scott had a situation. so you have to examine the full facts of the situation. >> appreciate you being with us, darrell. when we come back, we have a question, about donald trump, for yo here at the td ameritrade trader group, they work all the time. sup jj? working hard? working 24/7 on mobile trader, rated #1 trading app in the app store. it lets you trade stocks, options, futures... even advanced orders. and it offers more charts than a lot of the other competitors do in desktop. you work so late. i guess you don't see your family very much? i see them all the time. did you finish your derivative pricing model, honey?

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