hello, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york city. and this is "the five." >> marco rubio fires back against hillary clinton after she called his anti-abortion position offensive. we'll have his response to that in a moment. first jeb bush is going to target clinton tonight during a speech at the reagan library in california. he's expected to highlight her foreign policy failures as secretary of state particularly those that led to the rise of isis. he campaigned a preview to video address. >> when we pull back, voids are filled. we now see it. we see it with these new threats

of barbaric islamic terrorism in the middle east. and home-grown terrorism in our own country motivated by isis. the united states has a huge role to play in the world. we are the leader of the world. >> all right. eric, smart to attack her on foreign policy at this point? >> well, i think that's where they all should be pointing the guns right now. hillary clinton and look what she's doing. she's saying i kind of got myself in hot water with this planned parenthood thing. she's going to start pointing her guns at marco rubio. it's all kind of shifting right now. everyone is playing where is my money best spent? i think his money is best spent going after hillary clinton. you look at both of them on the screen you go this could be it. if my choices are between those two on the screen, i like the guy over there on the left. >> you like it too, kimberly? >> i like it. be strong. don't even worry and sweat about the other 16 or so people running. say i'm the guy. i want to be president of the united states. i am presidential and i'm going for her because i'm going to be the last one standing and i'm

going to take her down. that's how i would approach it. >> gutfeld? >> what? >> him going after her especially about the rise of isis. >> yeah. here's the interesting thing about hillary clinton. her key experience happens to be her core incompetence. >> wow. >> she was secretary of state. she can't run on her record at all. worst record since who let the dogs out. she did to foreign policy what her husband did to the blue dress. you think about her accomplishments, benghazi, for example. the russian restart button. the rise of isis. it's incredible. by the way, we've done this before. hillary's explanation of benghazi has to be heard to be believed. this will be her downfall. she somehow believes that a guy went on youtube, right? went on youtube. was there to watch cat videos. and he came across a mohammed video. mind you he's a decent guy. he has a good job. he decides to call up all their other friends who have good jobs let's go burn down a consulate and kill a bunch of innocent

people. they do that. then they're done and go back to their jobs as anothflorists an d gardeners. >> they still went and put up that big facebook page in the middle east saying -- >> and pakistan. >> right. blaming the video. even though they already knew that's not what it was. >> apology tour. they're like blame it on a blockbuster night. somebody rented the video. this is the problem. it's appalling. and this is who you want to be the leader of the free world? the liar in chief? >> they're rewarding her with a nomination. like electing ted nugent to peta. after what she's done to our world policy. >> there's probably no democrat, though, kirsten, who would say that she does not have more experience and is better qualified on foreign policy than anybody else that's entered the race. >> i don't think there's anybody who actually could say otherwise. you can say you don't like her foreign policy experience.

but you can't say that anybody else has more foreign policy experience. and i do think the benghazi issue, unfortunately, you're not going to get a lot of traction with that. i think people have sort of decided where their on benghazi. either they want to blame her or they don't. >> you don't think that adds into her declining numbers on trustworthiness and character and judgment? >> i think those are dropping more bought of the e-mail stuff than the benghazi stuff. she certainly took a little bit of benghazi. bush bringing up iraq thing he has to do it, go after her on foreign policy, obviously. but it raises the question of his brother and iraq and the fact that isis wasn't there before we invaded iraq. so he has to be ready -- >> they were there when we left. hillary clinton says in her book she was against the dramatic pull out. she was actually for going after bashir al assad. i think this is a good strategy to take hen on on those

vulnerabilities. >> dana, how do you think republicans should respond when she says that basically? she's going to come out and say, well, i wasn't president. barack obama was president. if i was president i would have done things differently. >> you had a seat at the table on the cabinet as the secretary of state. it's not like you were the governor of florida. >> she's part of the relay team be honest. i don't want to give her any credit about her experience in foreign policy. i want you to impress me that you're really good at your job, not being incompetent or lying about fake talking points that jeopardizes american natural securi national security. i'd rather take somebody else that has brains to put together a good comprehensive plan to keep us safe than put news a worse position as part of barack obama's cabinet. that's like saying hey i flunked out of dental school but the first patient i treated i ruined his teeth. does that make sense? >> i agree. foreign policy isn't the

only place where their going after hillary clinton. she's engaging them as well. here she is talking about mar yo rubio and abortion. >> when one of their major candidates, a younger man, the senator from florida, says there should be no exceptions for rape and incest. that is as offensive and as troubling a comment as you can hear from a major candidate running for the presidency. i think more people should say the same. they should be going after him. what marco rubio said has as much of an impact in terms of where the republican party is today as anybody else on that stage. and it is deeply troubling. >> marco rubio wasted no time in responding to that. let's look at this then eric's opinion. i have to read it "clinton supports abortion even at the stage when an unborn child can feel pain. she has defended partial birth abortions as a fundamental right. she supports funding planned parenthood. she supports using taxpayer

money to pay for abortions overseas. she holds radical views on abortion that we look forward to exposing in the months to twcom" she made it a point to say he's a much younger man. which is usually a compliment. i don't think she meant it that way. >> like ronald reagan's comment saying i won't use your youth. >> inexperienced. >> but in the same speech she talked about that. and she reignited the war on women. so in two sound bites she re-established the identity politics that she needs to get back to in order to get some energy back into her campaign. right now bernie sanders is tattooing her. 100,000 people in the last four rallies. he's crushing her. the focus is on bernie. >> we have some video. >> but her focus is bring this back to me. what worked on me before. republicans have a war on women.

here's proof here's marco rubio. by the way, i have the experience and i'm your lady for your first lady. i mean your president. whatever. >> whatever. >> it's really going to be bill. >> the first man. first dude. >> but here's the thing though, kimberly. in every poll if you ask americans what do you care most about in the upcoming election in 2016, it is number one the economy and jobs and number two foreign policy. >> correct. >> those are actually two of her weakest points. when she talks about the war on women she actually shines. >> that's where she gets some traction. and she's able to get the cash and get the supporters and mobilize her base to an enthusiastic uproar for her eventual nomination, right? that's where she's got to go. it's sort of her sweet spot where she knows she's really good and she feels comfortable talking about it. it makes sense and makes sense in terms of why they should choose her. the other stuff she doesn't have a great record on. if i'm an adviser i'm going to say yeah. stick to this. this is what works. like ride this horse all the way into the barn. >> you've been talking, greg,

remember we promoted your book the other day "how to be right" if you're republicans right now how would you be right on this issue? it's not going to go away. it will come coming up. >> you're talking about abortion. abortion actually isn't the terrain. social issues are quick sand for republicans. it's good to kind of step around it. however, you can go after them on their callousness about the planned parenthood videos. for example, they are conflating the horror with these videos with an attack on planned parenthood's abortion services. it's like we are trying to take abortion away because we are naturally repulsed and revulsed by these videos. maybe to point out to hillary that in those videos, some of those babies were actually girls. technically you witnessed the ultimate war on women by seeing those dead bodies. and if you went to china, all of those would be girls. so really, the horror of pro-choice is that pro-choice is

a war on women. >> could republicans effectively make that argument, kirsten? >> well, first of all, republicans do want to take away abortion rights, right? so it's sort of to say -- >> i think that's a blanket statement. i think we've come to the conclusion that it's here to stay. >> you think that's the position of the presidential candidates? [ overlapping speakers ] >> overturn roev. wade? >> in the top ten, i can't imagine -- >> they're not going to appoint people that would overturn roev. wade? >> the correlation to the second amendment. you have a lot of liberals critical of the second amendment but they all go you're not going to take away people's guns. it's the same argument. >> this is news to me. interesting if that's true. i also think that marco rubio's position, i don't know how that's going to fly. i think most women are going to be horrified by the idea that he does not allow an exception for rape or incest. i just don't think -- i don't know how he overcomes that. >> we'll keep talking about it.

one more thing before we go. kimberly can you talk about this? hillary clinton has said, she's told a judge in a deposition or sworn statement under penalty of perjury that she has turned over all of her work-related e-mails. what do you think of that? do you think that is true? is it acceptable that her staff went through and decided what was work-related or not? >> she's obviously under the advice of counsel. so confident to make that statement. >> good point. >> okay. so obviously he's gone through it and her staff has gone through it. she feels pretty safe saying that. whether it's true or not, i don't know. but i'll tell you what. she's going out on a limb there. that better be accurate. but nonetheless, they've never shied away from making loose statements that have little to do with the truth. so i wouldn't be surprised by anything here. but she's definitely looking at some serious legal problems. and i don't know. i'd be very worried if i were here. >> three federal investigations under way, eric, right now of the democratic candidate. but given the summer that we've had you wouldn't actually know

>> it so if she's being honest and said there's no classified information, turn over the servers, everything let us decide not the ones selectively edited and we'll use those and redaktd or what no. i have a hunch they picked ten out and found four of them at least classified at this point. >> that was a sampling. that's it. >> that's right. literally tens of thousands more. if you take all of the state department e-mails i think there's like billions of e-mails during her time. let us have all of them. figure out what was classified or not. i read something today. can't remember where i read it so don't hang this on me. but ooma abadin was using her personal e-mail for some official business. >> i don't doubt it. >> she also was deleting her husband's pictures. >> fair enough. let's see those too, right? >> she also had, i don't know, the gall to figure out a way to be a government employee and have a private consulting gig while at the same time of doing government business.

>> so inappropriate. >> why is that not getting more -- isn't that an outrage? >> yeah. it has gotten some coverage. actually the "new york times" even did cover it. i'm sorry. the "new york times" covered the fact they guess that she owes back pay for vacation time, that she basically has said she's never taken a vacation. >> which she denied. >> she's never had a sick day. which i guess is possible. she works a lot. but i think the issue of you're being paid as a government employee to work full time. you've worked in the white house. you know. >> it's a full-time job. >> so how could you be getting a full-time salary and then doing another job? like when does that happen? >> it's so improper. >> unless she never sleeps i guess. >> it's such a problem. >> couldn't hillary go to the big house before the white house? >> there are some signs saying that. >> a big white house. >> yes. >> good news for gum shoes. >> pant suits. ahead, more turmoil in

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a fourth night of protests in ferguson ended with nearly two dozen arrests. but thankfully no looting or violence. sheriff david clark of milwaukee had an interesting take on the renewed unrest when i spoke to him "the o'reilly factor" last night. >> this is nothing more than a return to the scene of the big lie, the hands up don't shoot, this whole black lives matter movement. this is nothing more than an attempt to try toner jazz and mobilize the black vote through the 2016 election. there's no better way for them to inflame it than to bring race and police together in the same narrative because it's an explosive issue. >> well, he called the movement phony and says it's going to keep going across the country. >> you know, i've renamed this movement after baltimore coming to a city near you. this is a slap in the face to people like rosa parks and martin luther king jr. they ought to go back and study dr. martin luther king jr. i don't remember gunfire and rioting breaking out at a protest rally or protest

movement that he held. >> k.g., he makes so much sense. >> doesn't he? >> he's uniteding not divisive. why don't more leaders listen to him? >> he's patriotic, serves his country well by being in law enforcement. he is a leader for both communities. he's representing the people well in law enforcements. he understands communities, community policing all of it. and he doesn't want to see any lives lost. >> greg, we have another anniversary coming up. new york anniversary then baltimore anniversary. think we're going to see black lives matter at all these? >> this is the new radicalism right now. hinder, confront, subvert and use the excuse of anniversary to inflict pain on these towns. and the real fear you see in liberal commentators who refuse to confront this intimidation. they're absolutely terrified of upsetting these people. you look at the abuse of bernie sanders. isn't it amazing? i'm not a fan of bernie sanders. but when i look at him i feel so bad for the guy.

he's up there, surrounded by people that are in his face that get so close they look like they're going to punch him. he sits there and takes it. they were forwarding an exemption from civil discourse out of being called a bigot. the only solution to me live move all law-abiding citizens out of ferguson. if your anarchists and you want disruption you take it over. let's see how it goes without justice, without any kind of civil obedience. >> dana, when they show up they disrupt everything. the businesses shut down. people hide in their homes. >> the thing about bernie sanders, too, i can't imagine that anybody in the crowd actually believes that bernie sanders is a racist, right? right there you know that there is something going on in terms of just getting more attention. i think that in one way to deal with this is to -- wishful thinking it not going to make it go away. i just wonder about a possible push for overengagement. like say we'll meet you anytime anywhere. you choose five people.

we'll meet you here. let's talk it through. and see if there can be some way to develop leadership within the movement. otherwise we're going to be at an impassie every couple weeks. >> what's the problem here? this was a peaceful protest. this was a peaceful protest in ferguson. i don't understand what is wrong. >> they called a state of emergency. >> a shooting. >> even the idea that somehow cornell west was there one of the people who was arrested. the reason that [ overlapping speakers ] >> you're not listening. there was a shooting. someone opened fire on cops. people were arrested. >> that's peaceful by comparison. >> a lot of the protesters were peaceful. arrested and peaceful during being arrested. >> these people are showing up because of the protesters. [ overlapping speakers ] >> let me ask you this. let's do it this way. blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat, right? bernie sanders is gaining

momentum on the democratic side. what was the point of disrupting a bernie sanders rally? >> the point of it was to raise awareness for issues that a lot of african-americans are concerned about. in particular he hasn't really been talking about criminal justice issues. >> so be rude? be arrogant? be borderline violent? democrats talk about anti-bullying campaigns and how important it is to raise awareness on bullying. unless you disagree with me. then we can bully the hell out of you. >> he's bullying on awareness. >> we're they're raising awareness on their own bullying. the other idea i'm so sick of, the idea of raising awareness excuses any or all behavior. >> you could be a jerk. >> how would you like them? they feel that people are not addressing the issues what are they supposed to be doing? >> sheriff clark brought up a bunch of examples. >> if you even have them feeling the democratic party is ignoring them which is what they're feeling, you at some point have to do something that is a little over the top. >> they're not being ignored. this is on the forefront

everywhere. [ overlapping speakers ] >> like let ferguson heal. my god. it's like savagery. it's barbaric. and it's not doing their cause any good. and you are biting the hand that feeds you. duh! bernie sanders is playing for your team, people. >> it's peaceful demonstrations. how is that barbaric? i don't even understand what you're talking about. >> shootings. it's not helpful. >> by a criminal. they're not responsible for that. >> there's a right way to do this. >> it's an aberration. [ overlapping speakers ] >> gandhi wouldn't like it. >> you guys are saying now the democrats are focusing on this issue because of this movement. if it wasn't for this movement they wouldn't be talking about it. >> we don't want to put anyone on the spot, but under your assessment it's going to be peaceful in new york and it's going to be peaceful in baltimore on the anniversaries. >> blocking freeways is peaceful? inticing cars to hit people? >> you guys are condemning

peaceful protests. but there were plenty of people there being peaceful and arrested for peaceful protesting. look, blocking traffic is not a violent act. it's not something i endorse. but it's not a violent act. >> can we just say 28,000 people did not show up to see bernie sanders at an event because they think he's a racist. >> right. >> they went because they like his message. and i think that it's actually -- it will work against not only bernie sanders but their movement if they continue to disrupt somebody who is putting themself out there on the line, gathering -- gathering of 28,000 people in the middle of august to bernie sanders's event in seattle and he's called a racist? >> and he's a socialist. >> we're trying to defend him. poor bernie sanders. >> it makes me like bernie sanders. i did a mean mean monologue on him. and now i want to hug him because i feel so bad for him. >> see how that turns? >> allison is going like this. wrap it up, bolling.

next new developments in the planned parenthood scandal. some scientists are defending the trafficking of baby body parts by the group. their reasoning and our reaction coming up.

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talk to your doctor about ways to manage your insomnia. amid uproar over those planned parenthood videos, sign tichts say fetal tissue is essential, pointing to its use in vaccines. it's like paying it forward. the dead enhance those lucky enough to make it out alive. sorry. when the argument for using fetal tissue begins with it's essential, that destroys abortion's defense. you already admit that what was killed has value or could not be wasted. unless you view then born as recyclable. in the old days, adults existed to enhance a baby's survival. now adults use babies for their own survival. it's reverse. abortion is here to stay. but pro-choice doesn't mean the choice to sever. if you justify dismemberment saying it offers women comfort

in knowing the fetus isn't wasted, you're back to point one, aren't you? if dismemberment of the dead is right shall i dig up my uncle and use his skull as a paper weight. listening to this is how evil job rates under the cloud of euphemism. couldn't everything be excused? suicide, self-mutilation? it's all choice. the media teams the videos were edited. but you can judge someone by their choice of outrage when you're more upset about the splicing of film than splicing of babies you're what's medically called a ghoul. that's your choice. how lucky you're alive to have it. dana, when you look at this, you see this kind of reversal where it's the left now that are anti-science and the right that are pro science. because the science is on their side. >> on this issue. the favorite thing of liberals to say about conservatives or people who would say, before we rush head long into a global

warming pact can we actually look at the science. you're immediately called a know nothing. a flat earther, a science denier. when it comes to this issue, the science has changed and developed. dr. krauthammer talks about this a lot. we know that babies are able to survive much earlier in gestation than they were because of science. there is science to prove that. and so i think they're vulnerable. i would point people to bill mcgern a columnist. i think he hit the nail on the head. >> the most telling fact pro-choicers have a hard time arguing with the video so they deflect to abortion in general. >> pro-choicers, anyone who's liberal, who doesn't want to say they're abortion. you don't have to be against abortion to be against what's going on in planned parenthood. again, when you start adding the profit motive to what they're doing you've made it more ridiculous and illegal. if republicans just focused on

that piece of it they can get what they wand. they want a defunding of planned parenthood so the american taxpayer can say i'm not funding all that body sefrg that's going on. >> butchering. >> and you're not affecting the roe v. wade. it's a law. it's there. we got it. i understand that. don't get hooked into this argument that if you're fighting planned parenthood you're also fighting abortion. you're not. you're fighting what their motives are to do what they're doing. the motives are a profit motive. you have to eliminate that. because how many of those women who had abortions had they known, had they been told about what they were going to do would still have had abortion. i i'm congestiguessing the number 100%. >> kirsten, you should be writing more on this. >> good idea. i think the science thing is an important thing. i have said for a long time, i'm actually pro-life not because of the bible or christianity or anything like that. it has nothing to do with it. i was a view they came to fully just through getting more scientific information.

and i think it's an applicable human rights issue. that's really where this debate has to be happening. because it's not -- people who don't believe in god are not going to be persuaded by god says. >> i do not arely on the bible when discussing this. it's got to be science >> yes. and i think there's a very persuasive argument. if you look at the polls most americans after the first trimester do not support abortions. 27% of americans. i guarantee you most of these people haven't seen these videos. i think the number would be about 10% if they had seen these videos. >> the media is making sure they don't seat videos unless you watch fox news. >> then they're an accomplice to butchering of babies. that's what there is. there should be ethical standards and moral standards. we should care as a country and people should be informed and not turn a blind eye to it. check out the videos. get the science and information then make an honest evaluation as to whether or not that changes your mind and changes your heart. everybody who comes to me oh, marco rubio. i say listen. whoever is president of the united states is not going to

have an impact on roe v. wade. but don't you want to know the science behind this. don't you think it should be illegal to have abortions on third trimester babies? >> babies have a nervous system and feel pain. to say that's not the case is denying the science. flat earthers. >> exactly. all right. let's move on, shall we? should the government force companies to give new moms and dads more time off, or should that decision be left to the companies when "the five" returns. >> carly has some thoughts. you do all this research on the perfect car. gas mileage, horsepower torque ratios. three spreadsheets later you finally bring home the one. then smash it into a tree. your insurance company's all too happy to raise your rates. maybe you should've done a little more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light.

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♪ that was nice, wasn't it? democrats like hillary clinton think it's outrageous america doesn't guarantee paid family leave. so she wants to change federal law to force companies to revise their policies. some businesses like netflix, microsoft and adobe have

extended time periods for paid leave for new employees. charlie fiorina applauds the move but thinks the government shouldn't be in the business of mandating believe. >> when i was the chief executive of hewlett-packard we also offered paid maternity leave and paternity leave. for the government to tell others how to do things, when the government hasn't gotten its basic house in order, is not only ineffective, it's hypocritical. it's pretty clear that the private sector, like netflix, like the example that you just gave, is doing the right thing because they know it helps them attract the right talent. >> every time i listen to her speak i think this is someone who knows what she this about the issuesers doesn't need to be coached or prepped on it, can prepare herself very well to be able to respond to any situation at a moment's notice. i'm liking that. dana >> yes, you're right. she is thought these issues through because she's been in a position of power where she had employees who wanted this. and i think she was at a company that was able to provide that,

right? so hewlett-packard is a gigantic company. they are able to do paternity leave and maternity leave and probably had a very good policy and their employees were happy. that gives them a competitive edge. and i do think, however, that a lot of women remember 53% of the vote. a lot of women look at this and say -- and maybe some guys, too -- like we want to have a family. but we live paycheck to paycheck. if we're living paycheck to paycheck we need a little more help than what the family medical leave act provides which is you're not going to use your job if you take three months maternity leave but aren't going to be guaranteed payment. i agree with her the government shouldn't mandate it. but we could have incentives. as long as we have a tax code filled with waits to incentivize businesses to do things like health care is a good example. we could show a little bit of innovation on a federal level and encourage companies to do it through a financial way. >> federal government to do something better. >> she's actually not right that the private sector is just responding to this. because according to the bureau of labor statistics, only 11% of

companies actually offer this kind of leave. so it's not something that's available to everybody. it's available to very high-skilled workers. people who make over $50,000. three-quarters of them have this kind of paid leave. under 50,000, three quarters of them don't have it. so i think to be pro-family you should be supporting families. it's very hard to -- you look so horrified. >> that isn't my horrified face. i'll show you that. you haven't seen my horrified face for awhile. no. [ overlapping speakers ] >> that was like wow, i'm really thinking about what you're saying and contemplating it and playing it out in my head all different angles. all right. >> i like so far what you were saying. you can finish it up and i'll let you note rest. >> so i think to be pro family you should be supporting this. maybe you're right it could be incentives. if only 11% are offering it, without a mandate i don't know why people are going to offer this. >> because they have to. they have to do it because the

marketplace is demanding. this is a classic free market debate right here. do it by federal mandate or do it because the market, the free market is demanding you do it. >> we're in the free market right now, only 11% are doing it. >> exactly. so as more companies do it, other companies will have to compete by offering it. otherwise good workers will go to the -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> minimum wage is a great example of this. everyone is like they wanted a federal minimum wage of $15 per hour for all employees. everyone pushes back. walmart says it's not federally mandated. we're going to do it because that's what it's going to take to keep our workers. that's the free market working. if you don't do it mandate to companies that can't afford to do it. they'll have to offer it and drive those companies into the ground and they'll be out of business. >> they hire less women and promote less women. you see that in europe. it's not without negative consequences if not done smartly. >> but the point is, we have a free market right now. and they're not doing it.

and the point is, you're right. for highly-ski highly skilled workers they will do that. [ overlapping speakers ] >> almost average income. >> what about people who aren't as skilled? what about their children? should they not have time to bond with their children? >> no. they should be kept separate. if you are poor we will take your children from you because we're republicans. by the way am i homophobic to be against mandating? >> what? >> no. you're good. >> my belief is you can be strongly for something, strongly for something, but be against government man dating. and i hate it when that gets conflated. just because maybe i want a ferret daycare center at work because i have a ferret. but you know what? i'm not going to force you to have it, either. [ overlapping speakers ] >> you need an analogy that works. >> i'm for the free meat market. >> i don't think the ferret thing works. >> look at kirsten still taking what you said seriously.

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there were two dozen democratic debates during the 2008 presidential race. but this time around only six are planned. democratic candidate martin o'malley wishes there were more and is criticizing his party over it. >> my message to the party is this. we're making a big mistake as democrats if we try to limit debate and have an un-democratic

process. there were 24 million people who tuned in to the republican debate. and there were very few ideas that would serve our nation moving forward that were offered in that debate. shame on us as a party if the dnc tries to limit debate and prevents us from being able to put forward a clear path for our people that will make the economy work for all of us again. >> his opponent bernie sanders also voiced disappointment about the debate schedule. both are trailing way behind frontrunner hillary clinton. so dana, i'm interested to know if you were in charge of the democratic party right now, and this was the field, would you be doing the same thing the democratic party is doing? or do you think it's better to have more debates? >> take it from -- in my experience at the republican party having had a very tense face-off within the ten about the policies they're going to support, what kind of party do we stand for, having all of this frustration building under a lid is not a good idea.

i would say do not suppress the way for your party to evolve and to figure out who they are. if you're having an identity crisis within under the bubble, it's going to burst at some point and it won't be pretty. so i agree with martin o'malley and bernie sanders. i think they should have more debates. also for her, they're protecting her too much. look, american people are saying that they don't trust hillary clinton in majorities. but even her campaign doesn't seem to trust their candidate. they don't think that she can handle it. so i think that they are wrong. look at what she did on the war on women stuff with marco rubio effective for her? i don't like it but it's effect itch for her. i would say no risk no reward. >> isn't there an argument though, kimberly, you'll say you could have a stronger candidate coming out of the primary because she won't have had to take all these positions that she's forced into by bernie sanders and martin o'malley? just for the record i support more debates. to be clear about that.

[ overlapping speakers ] i'm trying to think about it from another perspective. is there a reasonable argument to be made? >> no. i think they just actually want hillary to get the nomination. they don't want her to be out there with more sound bites and more quotes and getting chipped away at. they like keeping her under wraps instead of feeding her to bernie sanders and martin o'malley. i don't think it's very democratic of the democratic party. i agree with martin o'malley. >> it's not fair. why are they suppressing thought and discussion and ideas? >> because they want to win. >> here's another issue, which i've been a little curious about. >> better be careful. >> not doing any debates with fox news. but when we just had our debate, hillary clinton has actually come out and praised meghan kelliers all the democrats talking about what a great debate there is. so what's the excuse now not having a debate with fox? >> as kimberly points out they're protecting their candidate, their frontrunner. the problem is, and we would all like to see more debates.

but they're smart. they're not fools. the more time she spends being asked a question and forced into an answer, that's not preprepared or on tape, they're going to be more opportunities for her to falter. i think they're brilliant to do that on the democrats side. however what we'd all love to see joe biden get in. then that would be awesome. >> that would be -- one more thing is up next. >> thank you. a at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda.

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. time now for one more thing. kimberly. >> i have a very good one. so a wounded warrior had two former presidents, 41 and 43, and a former first lady on hand when he proposed to his girlfriend. keep in mind he has two prosthetic legs. he was helped back up to a standing position after he proposed. take a look at this. it's a beautiful moment. >> [ inaudible ]. >> yes. >> hey! >> that was army specialist tyler jeffries who proposed. and bush 41 posted a photo of the unforgettable moment on twitter wishing the couple a lifetime of joy together. very special moment. >> very nice. >> very sweet. >> greg, you love sweet. >> yes. after that i would say drop the mike. but i won't.

because banned phrase, drop the the mike. you know it's time to drop the mike when hillary -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> i did it when i heard dana this afternoon say it. you said it at 2:00. >> i had a good point, though. it was a well-referenced use of the phrase. >> you are not in nwa. you're not a public enemy. you're on "the five". >> she has a rapper video, remember? >> yes. and we will not forget that. >> what was that m.c. who? >> tiny g.p. >> anyway, that's enough for me. >> tiny j.p. i think it was called. a long time ago. back in the day. >> back in the day. i've been in that, too. >> i'm just going to keep going. >> bottom line. >> at the end of the day -- all right. america, you know, is losing its competitive edge in almost every category. but did you know it's losing its edge in the world of hiphop? the world competition in san diego was held last week. americans didn't do very well. look at the south korean team. take a look.

♪ get up off -- >> they've rehearsed from 11:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. twice a week because they were hungry for it. and the american coach said americans are a little spoiled. a lot of international dancers are focused and hungry. we could learn from them. >> next year it is us. >> how do they do it? >> the floor is heated like a hot plate. you know what that style of dance is? gangnam style. i'm kidding. >> kirsten, you're next. >> you know who i really don't like, greg? >> who? >> the kardashians. yeah. and there's somebody else who feels the same way. let's watch. >> okay. >> i'm having an good friday. so i refuse to talk about the kardashians today. you are on your own, amy. i can't do it. i've had enough kardashians. i can't take any more kardashian stories on this show.

>> that's exactly what kylie jenner did. she got a gray fluffy rabbit and named it bruce. >> i'm sick of this family. >> i salute you. >> that's great story. she named her rabbit after her dad who's now kaitlyn. that's kind of a weird story. like the rabbit is bruce! >> okay. >> doesn't that blow your mind? >> no. >> not even a little? >> all right. >> eric you're the last one. >> america do me a favor. go to your dvr. set it for 8:00 tonight "the o'reilly factor". >> all week. >> or just keep your tv on. because we're going to talk about trump's new polling in iowa and new hampshire. talk about illegal immigration, ferguson and iran and k.g.'s going to be on. if you do this, i promise to tweet a picture of k.g. eating salad during the break of this show today. i promise you. >> what if i already did that? >> she already did it. >> then i'll send a different picture. >> because i kind of already did that.

that's true. in the commercial break you always want to know what happens? today kimberly ate a salad. you can go to our twitter account and see that because it's fascinating. never miss an episode of this show. it's 5:00. that's it for us. "special report" is next. senator ted cruz talks about his funding. rick perry bemoans his. and donald trump says he may spend tens of millions on his campaign. this is "special report." >> good evening. i'm bret baier from washington. we begin tonight with the 2016 presidential race. and the effort in both parties to get their messages about policy and politics to the masses. we have fox team coverage tonight. mike emanuel on the bernie sanders momentum and hillary clinton's potentially dangerous pledge about her e-mails. plus some breaking news on that. carl cameron on the road with senator ted cruz and his southern strategy. but we begin with corr