jon. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert on wall street, we're watching it now. a huge selloff today. the first 30 minutes of trading after the opening bell saw the dow jones industrial average fall more than 1,000 points. this is "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. here today, andrea tantaros, melissa francis, democratic strategist and fox news contributor julie roginsky, and today's #oneluckyguy, david webb. he's "outnumbered." twittererrers love you, you're all over social media right now. >> you create a perfect environment for a guy, you get a couch, you get intelligent, beautiful women, somebody give me a row mote, i'm home. -- a remote, i'm home. [laughter] guys and a couch, we love a nice couch. >> no beer though. oh, well. >> we can work on that. i'm a bourbon guy. >> let's get to it. the markets are reacting to china's main index which is on a

precipitous fall right now. china is the world's second largest economy, and it is in trouble. in that country they are calling this black monday, but who to make of it here at home as we think about our investments, our 401(k)s, our ira accounts. in just a few weeks we have watched all the dow's gains for the entire year vanish. melissa, we'll start with you. they set up those breakers, because if we started to move too quickly, they were going to enact the circuit breakers. what triggers it? >> it's a certain percentage drop. as of this morning, it was ability 1,100 points, and after that if the market falls 20%, they stop trading for the whole entire day so people can sort of take a breath and remain calm. what i would say to people out there that's really important right now and this is, you know, the advice i would give to family members and that i take myself, is don't panic. don't do anything on a day like today. do not sell. then you lock in those losses. you take a breath, you watch

what's going on. if anything, you know, you buy a share of dow -- of apple for one of your family members, you ng term. but it's about not panicking. >> real quickly, walmart, apple, intel, disney, those premium stocks on the dow fell so far, so fast this morning, and a lot of people have been scooping them up which is how we got back to this, i guess. >> absolutely. you saw a lot of people come in, the bottom feeders, and feed off the bottom, and stocks are returning now. it's been an incredible move back up here, but this is how the market works right now. it's very volatile, and it's looking at china, also a market that got ahead of itself. this has a lot to do with the policy that's coming out of washington. >> that's what i want to talk to you about, andrea, because that's the argument. if you look short term, it might be china, and we're seeing the oil prices on friday drop below $40 a barrel, but it's that long-term what create ings say is missing -- critics say is missing from the obama administration.

>> art laffer not only blamed this administration, but the previous administration. he said, look, this was partly george w. bush, but also president obama. and, melissa, i'm going to go to you on this one. the fed has just been p printing money. wasn't this inevitable? when you look at what the fed's been doing, the interest rates can't go much lower. it seems to me they don't have any other tools in their tool box. >> no, absolutely. they've flooded the world with money. it hasn't done what they hoped, we haven't seen the economy expand nearly as rapidly as it has following past recessions. instead, this money has looked for a place for return, and it's pumped up the stock market. it's flooded into the stock market. it used to be the stock market told you six months down the road where the economy was going to be. it's not like that now. it's decoupled because of the fact that there's so much artificial money out there. it has pumped these stocks up beyond where they deserved to be, many said, and we were due for a rex, and that's what we've been seeing. china in the short term triggered it and the idea that

the fed may be raising rates, but it's really about we've had too much loose money for too long. >> and, david, i know you take a lot of calls on this, your background's in finance. what is your reaction? >> what we have here is policy combined with bad monetary policy, political policy. china has been easing, they've been managing their money for a very long time. you look at japan, asia, look at the shift in trade balance, when china starts devaluing, an american policy which is bad, it was bad under bush, the horrible under obama, under the pelosi congress, we have literally created a debt curve where we are gaining debt faster than we can manage our economy. minimal, not even minimal gdp growth, how are we supposed to grow our way out of this? this is not 987. 1987, this is not a perfect storm. so i'm with melissa, stay, watch this, see what happens. >> what i was reading today though that we do have is some

of those pension accounts that were depending on this as income -- >> 401(k)s included, yeah. >> municipalities may raise their tax base for people, and that's tough when you've got incomes that haven't risen. what are your thoughts, julie? >> yeah, to me, i'm wondering is this a problem with the bricks? you have a problem in brazil, china, certainly russia, so much trouble. i can't speak to india, but this is a problem from these emerging economies that's now resounding partially because of what's going on in this country in our markets as well s. that right? >> that is absolutely correct. if if you look at the companies that drive this index, they sell their products overseas in china. you see china devaluing their currency, that's an immediate price cut to the stuff they're selling. global slowdown is not good for the companies here in the u.s., and that's being reflected here. >> all right. we will keep watching the markets, and count on us for continuing coverage of that today. also check in on our sister network, fox business, because

melissa will run back over after this show. >> instantly. >> check your local listings on how to find fox business. always keep it handy though. well, more potential trouble for hillary clinton. with new reports that tens of thousands of e-mails from her time as secretary of state could also be on a second server. yes, two. on fox news sunday former attorney general michael mukasey, who is an adviser for republican presidential candidate jeb bush, saying the investigation ultimately has nothing to do with the hardware, but with the person who was in charge of it. >> no, it is not a political witch hunt. we're talking about information that went to the secretary of state who is the highest foreign relations officer of the united states. it's inconceivable to me that a great deal of that was not classified. to say that the investigation is not of someone personally is ridiculous. the fbi does not investigate machinings. it investigates people. and she's certainly one of the

people who's being investigated. >> in the meantime, in an attempt to soothe jittery democrats, clinton aides have begun highlighting her upcoming benghazi testimony in october as a potential breakpoint from months of bad headlines. team clinton reportedly expects hillary to do well under questioning and is banking on house republicans to overreach on this one. one longtime democratic operative and clinton confidant even went so far as to say, quote: it will be the best day of the campaign. okay. when the best today of the cam -- best day of the campaign is talking about benghazi when four americans were killed because she was too incompetent to get them the security that they needed and she and leon panetta, david, did not send anyone to save those four americans -- because, remember, they told obama, we got this. and then they tried to cover it up afterward, when that's the best day of your campaign, you've got pretty big problems. >> look, they're just trying to shift the narrative away from the e-mail server. by the way, the former attorney

general is absolutely right. the fbi investigates people. look, i talk to these guys frequently, the guys that were fighting in benghazi. to them, this is not a terrorist traction, to them this is not anything more than dereliction of duty along with all the security issues. hillary clinton is the woman in charge. i don't care what side of the aisle you're on. people make decisions. we make decisions in our life. we're held accountable, but hillary clinton doesn't want to be accountable. they're going to try and shift it. they're going to paint the republicans -- here comes the vast right-wing conspiracy again rather than the factings. what happened in those 13 hours in benghazi, and what played out before that? the dereliction of duty issue is very important here. what happened in the decisions that were made with assets that were not put out there? >> right. it's one thing to say vast right-wing conspiracy which the clintons, harris, have historically said. you can't say it on this server issue because it's the obama fbi and cia that have sort of been fueling this server issue, but i want to talk messaging because i

don't think it's smart for the clinton campaign to go in this direction. and i also think republicans need to hit on what david said. at best, harris, both of these issues are an issue of incompetence, profound incompetence, which is not something good for a potential -- >> all right, so how do we know that she may cede what you just said? she had two weeks planned in the hamptons, and she canceled it to get on the campaign trail. where is she going? ohio, a very important primary state. they all are, but ohio's very important particularly for democrats. you win that, you typically win it all. the fact that she's going to ohio on wednesday rather than staying all the way through labor day weekend speak toss the issue of where she thinks she might be. in trouble? i don't know, is that too big of a word? let's just try concerned. but in the meantime, you have this issue of exactly where his sponsors and other democratic lawmakers must be headed. they see all of this. they also remember just a few months ago, i don't know, maybe march, when she said there was

no way that there was any classified information in her e-mail that she would have received or sent out. i mean, now they have to be asking the same questions that many voters have been asking. can we trust her? >> julie, you have taken some heat for passing this as one of her own making. >> oh, yes, i have. [laughter] do other democrats seem to agree with you? >> they do. i believe there was an article in the huffington post where you have ed rendell and others saying exactly what i said. look, i think the problem is she's been in this bunker, and taking a two week vacation makes no sense to me -- >> in the hamptons! >> in the hamptons, what i would have done, what i would have done if i were in her shoes is try to change the subject. go and campaign and talk about whatever the issues you want to talk about, income inequality, global climate change, whatever you want to talk about that's going to engender your base to get excited about you. take questions from the press and go out there and campaign.

[inaudible conversations] >> she was in the hamptons, though, because the house they represented was $100,000. that was probably not the middle class -- >> how are they making so many mistakes? i remember the days when bill and hillary were president, and remember they polled to figure out where they should go on vacation, where the people wanted to see them go, and it was within the 50 states, it was a midwestern state, maybe it was colorado. that seems to be, i don't know, absent now. they're tone deaf. and she has tried to talk about other issues like incarcerations and ending the era of incarceration. it hasn't worked. she can't change the subject. >> i think you're also underestimating what she's doing in the hamptons. that's where her money comes from. all the hedge fund billionaires love to support her. she is raising money. she's on the campaign trail, she just happens to be doing it from a house that costs $100,000 for two weeks. >> they have lovely $40 cobb salads in the hamptons as well. [laughter] three americans and a britton awarded france's highest honor

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♪ ♪ >> three americans and one briton hailed as heroes for stop ising a potential massacre onboard a high-speed train that was headed to paris. they tackled that armed suspected terrorist, and earlier today the french president awarded them the nation's highest honor. here they are yesterday describing what happened. >> we saw him cocking the ak-47, so at that time it was either do something or die. >> tackled him. we hit the ground. alek came up and grabbed the gun out of his hand while i put him this a chokehold. seemed like he kept pulling more weapons -- >> but in the beginning, it was mostly just gut instinct.

>> he seemed like he was ready to fight til the end, so so were we. >> spencer, alek and anthony, you go. meanwhile, there are report that is the suspected terrorist is a 26-year-old moroccan citizen and being investigated for having ties to radical islam. authorities saying now he had been on security watch lists of france, belgium and spain. even though they had flagged him as such, he was still able to board that crowded passenger train without any security checks, and that is what's raising serious concerns today about stopping these would-be killers both here and abroad. david? >> here's where policy and technology collide, and the people pay the price. you have terrorists that are on watch lists, you have the e.u. which doesn't talk to each other, they have a bad policy. in some countries you will get in more trouble for saying radical islam than you will for calling them something else. systems don't talk to each other, which means groups are not talking to each other -- >> so countries like this one,

right, andrea? >> i've lived in france, i've live inside paris. the same problems that they have over there are major debates over here. so in france be gun control, very strict laws. also this is the result of lax immigration policy. what's the debate back here at home? gun control, immigration policy. the same thing. my question is, what happens when there are not americans there to take down these terrorists? the same thing happened in texas, in garland, texas, it was citizens in texas who took down what could have been two men who took out 300 people they could have potentially taken down with their machine guns. we -- this points to a huge lapse in security. what do we do when they're not there to save them? >> people have to get involved in this. >> no, absolutely, and i want you to see what congressman peter king of new york says about that. watch. >> the main thing i would say in situations like this will be on-the-ground intelligence, people in the community, getting informants, getting people who are willing to, basically,

report on what's happening in the community. that's the only way you're going to be able to stop this. the odds are against stopping someone. if you have millions of people getting on a train in the course of a morning in new york, there's no way you're going to be able to go through a thousand, you know, a million bags, search a million people. >> you know, this does require, julie, a little bit of personal profiling. >> sure. >> we're going to be proto filing as individuals -- profiling as individuals. are we too p.c. a culture to get that done? >> i don't know about that. think about all the weird people on the new york city subway, they're weird. you don't think that -- >> yeah, but weird people aren't necessarily terrorists. >> that's exactly my point. at which point do you think somebody looks suspicious because they happen to be weird versus they happen to be -- >> radical muslims come in all colors -- >> you're making my point for me. >> let's profile the people doing this. >> we can't stop the -- >> correct. >> i mean, we have to go higher up the chain. one thing we should be doing

more effectively is attacking the funding of these groups. i mean, when you look at how much money isis has, radical islam has, it has to transfer around the world in ways that are traceable. we could be doing a better job of at least shutting down the money -- >> we've also got to go to the mosques, let's be honest. when you go after a group, you s well as out of the mosques, tie garland, boston, tie all of them where they belong, to the mosques where they come from. memphis. you've got to look at these things where they are. this is security, not political correctness. >> all right, we'll move on. new indications vice president joe biden may be closer to considering a run for the white house in 2016. i can't wait to hear what julie says about this. we'll talk about his meeting with a woman who's very popular inside the democratic party and the invitation he turned down. and donald trump getting a lot of pretty positive attention from the mainstream attention. how this could affect the 206 race. stay -- 2016 race. stay with us.

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." well, new signs that vice president joe biden may be edging closer to jumping into the 2016 presidential race. there are reports that he met sunday with elizabeth warren, the rising liberal star, who has yet to endorse a candidate. he also turned down an invite to join the five declared presidential candidates this week at the dnc summer meeting in minneapolis as he meets with top aides. and his camp announced he has just hired a new communications director. several high-profile democrats are weighing in. watch. >> all i can say is if i were hillary, i would say don't jump in, if i were joe biden, i'd give it serious consideration. >> i don't think he gets in. i think the personal situation he's to going through and the fact that hillary clinton is way

ahead, i don't think b he gets in. but if he gets in, he will be a formidable -- >> all right, julie. so is joe biden preparing to jump in this race? >> it sure sounds like it, right? this elizabeth warren meeting didn't just happen. we don't happen to know about it -- >> [inaudible] >> oh, it was a private meeting that just happened to leak. that, to me, is probably the indication that he's seriously weighing it. i think he's looking around and seeing if hillary's problems really do gain some traction for him as an alternative. and let me preface this by saying i love joe biden -- >> i though you really like him. >> i worked with him closely for a number of years, he's as authentic as they come. i'm not sure what the reason would be for joe bidessen. he's not -- biden. he's not a generation allocate that's different than hillary. he's a white guy who's exactly the same age as she is -- >> but she doesn't have women lined up the way that she thought she did. >> in the democratic primary, she still does.

>> not where she thought at this point. i don't know if biden and warren did rock, paper scissors -- [laughter] but if i'm joe biden, i'm looking at the field going, why wouldn't i get in? she's vulnerable. >> the democrats have a weak bench. who do they really have that is going to capture the general election? biden is likable. i'd rather run against hillary in a heartbeat. hillary is someone people don't want to like, she has so much baggage. biden's baggage is over 35 years long with national security, with bad decisions back in the wrong programs, but he's likable to the base, to dependents, and he's a dangerous candidate, and i see hillary as being the perfect candidate for the republicans to run against. >> he's like the ed mcmahon of the democratic party. [laughter] >> i think he's got a little bit of donald trump going because we do know he has been a gaffe master. when you're in a season of where bernie sanders and donald trump, people want them to speak

honestly, maybe they'd like a little bit of that joe biden rawness. >> i think he could run into some problems. it would be easy to campaign against him if you say you like your part-time job, your static paycheck -- >> obama? yeah. >> the fact that you're paying more taxes than ever before, and the government is spending more than it ever has in past history, then you should go ahead and re-election president obama -- i mean, joe biden. >> i would disagree -- >> except for bernie sanders. >> even bernie sanders. i disagree that you think democrats have a weak bench. you have a former secretary of state, the current sitting vice president -- >> 2 the question you always ask the democrats is tell me what three specific accomplishments hillary clinton, joe biden, john kerry, you have actually gotten through that helps the american people? >> things that you may disagree with, but i would say obamacare is something that they would say. >> obamacare? >> you disagree with it. >> no, the numbers disagree with it. >> saving the economy from

mass -- >> the economy is -- >> here's the thing, david, something that you're not going to agree with because, of course, you are a republican. of course it is, but look at her numbers. she's still beating most republican candidates. >> let's focus, harris, on the democratic side because there is some spin out there this morning that a biden run would help hillary, but i'm not buying it. >> yeah, i don't know about that. i don't know about that because he's god likability. -- he's got like bl. national review's john fund wrote an op-ed, why joe biden would meet with elizabeth warren, and it might not be for the reason we would all think. what he's saying is she is the populist and the popular, one within the party. and so you either need her neutrality or her blessing, according to john fund. i think that's very astute. and he says in an interview on friday she told a boston station i don't think anybody has been anointed. he's got to know where she's going to throw her weight, because she's popular. >> uh-huh. and it would also mean really

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paying enough tax, and they're making a fortune, and it's embarrassing. and they should be taxed. >> hmm. [laughter] interesting, sounding very populace. i would quibble with that because he changed about halfway through, he said they're not paying anything which, of course, isn't true. everyone's paying tax. then he said they're not paying as much as they could. seems like a little bit of pandering, i mean, no? >> you would know better than i would whether or not this actually fixes a loophole that needs to be fixed, does it? >> >> no. i don't know what he's talking about. hedge fund people who make money, you pay ordinary income tax just like everyone else. he might be talking about there's a private equity loophole, but almost no one qualifies for that any longer. >> so let me put this into the context of the conversation donald trump started having this weekend, and that was about the idea of, in quotes, taking big donations, not necessarily so with strings attached. he's going to look at taking some big donations with no strings attached. then he attacked the hedge

funders saying, yeah, i mean, that's the context of this conversation. >> it is. it also follows, andrea, what is a thoughtful plan which is this idea that if you simplify the tax code, you close the loopholes -- which is where i think this is coming from -- that in the end, ultimately, you may end up paying more or less tax. he wanted a graduated percent. when he says he wants hedge fund people to pay more, what he said was more than the middle class. so it's more thoughtful than it comes across in one bite. >> it's more thoughtful, but think about what he did. this is why he is a case study in political message brilliance. you can defend hedge fund managers and explain it, because you're melissa francis. imagine trying to do that the you're a republican candidate. -- if you're a republican candidate. he is making every other republican candidate come out and defend hedge fund managers? it's a sticky place for anyone on the right, and trump cleary sees issues on the left and vulnerabilities. what message is working on the left? elizabeth warren, very populace

message. nobody wants to defend the big, rich fat cats on wall street. what he just did was make the other republican candidates do it, and he went for the middle class which is something no other candidate besides rick santorum is doing. >> it's also on trump, we've got to move on, rock star status, he has it, and it's about to get a big boost as he continues to dominate the mainstream media's coverage of the republican presidential race. the real estate mogul will reportedly grace the cover of "rolling stone"'s november issue. he was just on the covers of the hollywood reporter and time magazine as well, and "the new york times" did an extensive layout on why trump is here to stay. the writers argue the fact that he's built a broad coalition of supporters proves he has the ability to outlast previous flash in the pans. >> this is a guy that endorsed canadian-style health care, this is a guy that endorsed at one point a 14.5% one-time tax on

multimillionaires. could you imagine if jeb bush, scott walker, marco rubio came out and said this, they'd be run out of town on on the a rail. he's got the hollywood reporter, which is really for celebrities and not for politicians, he's got, you know, rolling stone, that iconic rolling stone cover -- i think of -- >> i think of the boston bomber, but that's just me. >> yeah, well. let me ask you about this, it kind of fits into this whole thing. you've got a couple of different things that have come out of ov8 hours, and one is i might take money not from lobbyists or people who could affect me in any way, but i might take donations. is that a flip-flop? >> no, it's called playing the crowd. trump knows how to do this. what's the reality of him actually getting this 14 minute 5% -- 14.5% tax, one-time tax on individuals? is zero. it's not going to happen within our congress. trump gave a great speech many

alabama, took over the media cycle. hillary was happy about that, and now he turns around on monday, and he owns the media cycle. this is about trump being an astute media person. he is a celebrity, and he carries the conversation. >> he is a celebrity, and i think the most interesting thing about him being on the cover of "rolling stone" it proves right thousand he's selling magazines -- >> bingo. >> everyone's making a buck off trump except trump, and that's got to be driving him crazy. [laughter] >> i think he is, i mean, this an astronomical way, the press that he's getting is typically reserved for democrats. i don't get it, republicans have complained and whined, we never get any good press coverage, the media's so unfair, why doesn't anything never not stick to us? well, you finally have a candidate who doesn't give specifics -- >> teflon don. >> however, you're getting your wish, and you know what? every time he says something that may not be workable, it forces other republicans to say, oh, that's just not possible and

throw their hands up which makes them look weak and trump look strong. >> the media lit up yesterday -- social media lit up yesterday on this donations thing, and the other voters said, you know what? don't take the big money, we'll help you from our own pockets which is what's happening with bernie sanders. >> if you're a republican and you're saying barack obama has overtaxed you, here comes a guy who is the front runner of the republican party for the nomination who is exceeding anything barack obama in his worst -- >> that's not true. you look at the details of what he said, he wants a lower rate on people but close the loopholes. the same thing we've been hearing about a flat tax, except it's graduated. he wants wealthy people to pay -- >> no, he's talking about, he says one thing one day and says something else on a different day. ten years ago he proposed something -- >> that was ten years ago! >> doesn't matter. [inaudible conversations] >> julie, julie, he's allowed to evolve. [inaudible conversations] >> reagan was a democrat who

became a conservative, and this is one of our greatest presidents. trump's allowed to -- democrats are not the only ones allowed to evolve on issue whether it be obama on gay marriage -- >> i do agree with julie, and i do agree in the one sense that he has come out on some things and it doesn't matter because he's actually driving -- >> all right. and we're doing what he wants right now. hadn't heard that, though, about how hillary clinton got a breather this weekend because of donald trump. that's interesting. did he really just say that? the shocking advice from one of the nfl's biggest stars to rookies on how they should stay out of trouble. this can't be good. it raises the question once again after a year of bad headlines, does the nfl get it? ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> nfl hall of famer and espn analyst cris carter under fire after a video surfaced of him telling rookies last year to, quote, get a fall guy. >> i let my homeboys know, y'all want to keep rolling like this,

then i need to know who's going to be the fall guy who's going to be driving, because y'all are not going to all do the right stuff now, all right? so i got to teach y'all how to get around all this stuff too. if you going to have a crew, one of them fools got to know he going to jail. we'll get him out. >> we'll get him out. [laughter] >> that guy yucking it up with carter, you recognize him. that's nfl bad boy warren sapp, he got sacked earlier this year following his bust during super bowl week on suspicion of assault and is so liciting a prostitute. in the meantime, carter tweeting last night, quote: seeing that video has made me realize how wrong i was. i was brought there to educate young people, instead i gave them very bad advice. every person should take responsibility for his own actions. i am sorry, and i truly regret what i said on that day. espn and the nfl distancing

themselves, the league saying in a statement, quote: the comment was not representative of the message of the symposium or think other league program. the league's players, engagement staff immediately expressed concern about the comment to cris. the comment was not repeated in the 2014 afc session, yet the nfl had the video up on its web site for more than a year until this scandal exploded yesterday. and it came from another guy who was in the room saying that he had heard it at the time, and disprison 49ers' chris borland, and he thought should i leave, what should i do? he chose to say nothing at the time. that's when someone should have stood up and said, wait a second -- >> yes. carter's wrong in what he said, but he told an inconvenient truth about what happens in whether it's the nfl or other sports or in groups of people. there's always that approach of who's going to take the fall, because your big star doesn't. sorry, folks, but this is the

reality. wrong, yes. wrongheaded. his second statement is what we should pay attention to, but the nfl has a responsibility to also break up these little groups within the nfl. and i'm, look, not all nfl players, but this is what happens. it's a crowd mentality, and it's reality. >> julie? >> i have to wonder about these concussions that players get -- [laughter] are leading them to, i mean, this is time after time. not a week passes by without some horrific either dumb thing said or some domestic violence incident. these people need to be trained when they come in as 18, 19-year-olds into college football and then go pro, somebody needs to sit them down and say, wait a second, this is also a lifestyle. i don't know if the nfl needs to do some sort of coaching? >> well, they actually do that already. >> not enough, apparently. >> this shows you more than anything else we've seen how endemic it is to the organization, have someone there who's there to specifically address rookies giving them this horrible advice and this

horrible message. it really shows that it is bred into the game. this is what they're telling the young kids? >> not even just bred into the game, melissa, but that over the last couple of years when we've seen players get in trouble, it hasn't changed a thing. >> nothing. >> it's be creative, find yourself your own personal colt sievers. [laughter] >> that's funny. >> if you're going to drink, find a designated driver. but we know he was getting at something more sinister, just don't get in trouble. >> look at tom brady, right? he got into de-flategate, and all of a sudden it wasn't his fault, it was the guy pumping -- >> tom brady is that the nfl really needed better evidence. they didn't get it when they should have gotten it, and then evidence went away -- >> our executive producer -- >> hold on one second. the evidence was there and, first, we were let down by the courts because -- >> right. >> -- in both of those cases, they weren't adjudicated

properly, and then we waited for the nfl to do the right thing, and then they didn't. why did they let this video sit up there for a year? you don't have a conscience until someone pushes play? >> absolutely. my kids are going to go out into the world and get really stupid advice, and it's up to me at home to teach them the right thing because you can't control what other people are going to tell them, and you have to teach your kids from the beginning. there are these idiots out here giving terrible advice. >> you've hit the nail on the head. mothers, families, how you raise your kids. look, lots of bad messages come at all of us on a daily basis, especially as young people. how you choose to process it, also let's not paint the entire nfl as this. they've done some things within their programs to fix things, but they never will with everyone. self-entitled young people with managers who are given millions of dollars, bad advice. but, you know, at the root of that, what was their upbringing like? you can be a superstar, i want

everyone to become a superstar, but if you have a good foundation, you can be the eli manning who's clean -- >> it's the young boys who watch this message and say, oh, we should get a a posse and have a fall guy. >> okay, we've got to go. >> and do you know what else? be a really bad friend. >> a bad message doesn't work. >> never mind restoration history or shakespeare's tragedy, how about tree climbing? or how to win a beauty pageant. those are real college courses that american students are paying lots of money to take. how in the world could the united states be falling behind other nations? i can't figure it out, but we're going to break it down. ♪ ♪ did you know that good nutrition

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♪ ♪ [laughter] >> well, cornell, brown, u-penn, not the kind of schools that bring the classic movie "animal house" to mind, but they do offer some classes that john belushi might want to take. at the university of pennsylvania, an english course on wasting time on the internet -- which i could teach with my eyes closed -- students ponder if all the time they spend watching videos could somehow be transformed into

compelling works of literature. calls georgia state -- also georgia state has an english course that studies kanye west v. everybody where they examine the rapper's, quote,'s themmic genius. and the university of iowa offers a course that dissects the american vacation. all that for a whopping fee of roughly $60,000 a year, harris faulkner. >> yeah. i'm reading about the class on being bored, because i think that's fascinating. this is a look at the enlightenment and romantic periods when there was less productivity among the creative types. and how that fared. and so they didn't write as much poetry, they refused to be part of any sort of characteristic plot lines, so on and so forth. they just sort of regressed into relaxation. >> they were bored. >> that's important. they were bored. >> i'm trying to get my -- >> i don't know -- [inaudible conversations] >> because i got bored. >> hold on. julie just said for the whopping cost of $65,000 a year, $66,000

a year you have no problem with this, and you wonder why america's lagging behind? >> you know why i don't have a problem with this? to me, take the course i just talked about, it's obviously a philosophy class, they study philosophers who, yeah, i can't get a job if i know anything about them -- [laughter] but it helps you develop a brain. >> this is exactly what a liberal arts education should be. >> for a second, i'm going to agree with julie. >> thank you. >> if you look at that course, it's about critical and analytical thinking. these professors are trying to the come up with a subject that kids are actually interested in, and then they're getting them to look at it critically. i did have a problem, however, with asian-american studies course on tattoo and body piercing. >> why? >> here's the thing -- >> wait, david. julie just said this helps develop the mind, but it won't help you get a job. you have all these kids without jobs. >> i was a philosophy minor in college, you know? did it help me get a job out of college? of course not. did it help me establish

critical thinking and have a deeper understanding of what goes on in the world? yes. [inaudible conversations] >> all right. did you take any courses like this? >> no, but they had a few silly courses. >> like what? >> i would say, and i went to harvard and what was wrong with that was everything was theoretical, there wasn't a lot of practical education. chicks was the most practical degree ott the time, now they have a lot of computer science and, obviously, that's applicable if you're in the sciences. but, you know, i don't have as big a problem with this as everyone else does because i do think if you're in these courses, it's like when you trick your kids to eat the broccoli because you've hidden it in brownies. >> no, no, i disagree. i've got to get in on this. >> david, there are other classes which i pulled up on a different list, the history of garbage? >> yeah. >> >> i bet that's about recycling. >> i took critical thinking in one class, not philosophy, as a course. no offense, but philosophy's one thing. america has no great

philosophers in some ways because all they did was sit around in france and these countries thinking up things that led to european socialism and happy societies. we're a competitive world -- hang on. >> or what our constitution is based on. >> let me finish. yeah, de tocqueville, democracy in america, those are things worth reading. but some of these courses, look, for me, for the parents if your kids want to take whale watching or basket -- >> tree climbing. >> -- let 'em pay for their own education. there's a course in reality which is you don't get something for free, and you don't get to study the nancy pelosi doctrine -- >> i think where america is behind all these other countries as far as reading -- >> they're laughing at us with some of this stuff. >> they're not getting a quality education. a lot of these courses are garbage. seeking of what's not garbage, outnumbered overtime is awesome and not garbage. go to foxnews.com/outnumbered -- harris is logging on right now. >> they're talking about this. >> they are? >> yeah.

right about this conversation. >> the tuition costs that you're paying for, we'd love to hear from you. "happening now" is going to start right now, and we'll see you tomorrow back here on "outnumbered . . plus, the dow opens with another nose dive and stocked are crushed for the second trading day and what the selloff means. >> he clearly had no firearms training what so