>> been a great friday so far. one hour down. one hour to go. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> absolutely. see you back here in an hour. >> this is fox news alert. we are looking at a funeral for the slain texas cop that was shot a week ago today. now in honor of him you will see police officers across the state all day today flashing their lights to remember him. later today we will have a update from the funeral. we'll bring you there live as it happens. ♪ >> this is "outnumbered." i'm andrea tantaros. here today, kennedy, host of fox business's "kennedy," also from fbn, dagen mcdowell is back. democratic strategist and fox news contributor julie

roginsky is here. today's #oneluckyguy up really early, "red eye"'s andy levy. you're "outnumbered," andy. >> thanks for having me. >> great to have you back. >> always a pleasure to be here. >> you're not usually up this early. >> not make it worse than it is. i'm not out of bed yet. but i'm awake. come on. >> all right. new developments in the controversy over hillary clinton's email. the tech guy who help the set up the private server is not just pleading the fifth to avoid testifying before congress, he is reportedly refusing to talk to the fbi and state department investigators as well, according to reporter michael is is a could have. the move by michael pagliano to refuse to cooperate in not one but two federal probes raises stakes in the clinton email investigation according to sources. as the fbi is pouring over clinton's server to see america's enemies hacked her

emails or not, looking for footprints for cyber espionage by foreign governments. all right. kennedy, i want to go to you first. >> hello. >> this guy pleads the fifth. now the question is, should the fbi give him immunity so he sings like a canary? >> in order to give him immunity they have to really up the ante to move forward a criminal investigation, make it more of a criminal investigation. either he has something to hide, or he is the fall guy. either way seems like brian pagliano is in a very bad position and now, two things. one it makes us much more curious what he possibly knows about setting up the server. the other thing, you have to wonder in hillary clinton's campaign, they're going when will this stuff end? can we get any of this off the front page so she can talk about issues while running for president of the united states because you heard nothing from her campaign. >> julie, you said she just made

this worse, her campaign. >> she has. you know how to get it off the front page, go to give a few interviews. meet the pros once in a while not in drips and drabs do what every candidate -- >> should should she talk to the fbi. should she publicly talk to the fbi if she hasn't already. >> i don't know if she should or shouldn't. the fact that brian pagliano taking fifth is horrible optic. >> is she orchestrated saying to him take the fifth. >> no. this is worse for her. she wants him to speak their contention they did nothing wrong and he did nothing wrong. if he were to go out to talk about what he did. they're saying this buttresses their point. for her politically, optically somebody taking the fifth the way to change the subject, go out there. >> she can't talk to the fbi, if you don't tell the truth to the fbi ask martha stewart what happens. you can get prosecuted and go to jail. >> barry bonds.

>> everything she said about the server has not been true. >> andy, clinton before the press conference email was not compromised. there are reports out in the "daily mail" that the administration could have bought those emails from a hacker. a reporter was on "the kelly file last night. it appears to me like the administration is moving slowly on this i don't blame him for taking the fifth but it does mean there is some kind of admission of guilt or wrongdoing he or he has something to worry about. >> i should say legally it doesn't mean that he just may not want to talk to investigators. i fully admit -- >> but why? >> it pains me to be fair in this situation but there could be an innocuous reason he doesn't want to testify. probably not but we have to face the fact that there might be one. but look, i said a month ago hillary clinton is richard nixon without the charm. the comparisons just keep growing. how many conspirators in

watergate took the fifth? you know, pled the fifth? now we're seeing it here. i agree that probably he doesn't want to testify because he feels like he is being thrown under the bus. >> yes. >> he also, i think, andrea, you brought this up, she could be telling him or someone in the campaign not to do this. we just, we don't know right now. >> i think his lawyers are probably telling him that. >> i think so. >> they're advising him not to speak. you brought up watergate and reminds me of 1990s a lot of people took the fifth. depends on what the definition of is is. these are the clinton games. kennedy, react, brian fallon was on another network, asked about the wiped server and reminded me of '90s, because he didn't know the definition of the word wiped. take a listen. >> justice department having electronic forum of pdfs provided to the state department they also have the server. i don't know what the fbi is going to do with it. >> the wiped server.

>> any type of operation on it. >> the wiped server, right, brian? >> i don't know what wiped means. there -- emails were deleted. emails were deleted. >> he doesn't know what the mining of word wiped. >> we all know there is big difference between wiping your server and having it electronically scrubbed, digitally scrubbed and just deletes emails and refreshing in box. there is a huge difference. i hope he knows what difference is. certainly they're all mired in this campaign, how they will dig themselves out of it. you raised a good point at top of the show. is brian pagliano just trying to get immunity? if so, he is covering his carcass. >> i think it is opposite. i think he has, is a young guy. he is a low-level guy. his attitude, i don't want to deal with this stuff. >> not cheryl mills or huma abedin. >> this is horrible optics for clintons or the campaign.

but for him, i don't blame him. >> if you, they will charge you with lying to investigators or worse lying under oath. send to you jail. >> goes back to the bottom line every reason/excuse that the clinton campaign has given for why she used, exclusively used a private server has been completely lame. every argument she has made, none of the emails were marked classified at the time. she was secretary of state. there was always a chance stuff that she put in emails was going to be. >> there is not a guy in a room rubberstamping emails. that is not the way they do this. most emails are born classified. she should know that. >> you don't use a home server. most 22-year-olds entering job market you have a work email and private email. if you are at highest levels of power and don't have that kind ever judgment, you shouldn't be president. >> this administration is moving

very slowly on this no way the president and national security team didn't know about the server. clinton said it was set up through the foundation. now we know it wasn't. i think republicans need to stop worrying about narrow-minded presidential politics and broaden this out. what is up at the fbi? why has she not been brought in yet? if she has, learn about what they know. or will -- >> testifies at benghazi committee. >> might be waiting for her to testify. >> for national security purposes though, you have to bring her in immediately to find out what other secrets could be out there. >> obama administration pursues this more aggressively, it's a sign they do not want her to be president of the united states. >> it is better for them to get it over with now as opposed to dragging this out. >> quick prediction, when biden gets in obama administration will do a full-court press. once they shift their allegiance to joe biden and they can officially turf her campaign they will move more -- >> longer it drags out, better for republicans.

>> i think they slow walk this and let it die like every other scandal. new speculation whether vice president joe biden is planning to run to the white house in 2016. he spoke publicly how he is wrestling with the decision. something he said in atlanta suggest as lot of uncertainty. watch? >> the most relevant factor in my decision is whether my family and i have the emotional energy. the factor is, can i do it. can my family undertake what is an arduous commitment that i would be proud to undertake under ordinary circumstances but the honest to god answer is, i just don't know. i can't look you straight in the eye and say now i know i can do that. >> following biden's comments the folks at draft biden telling fox, quote, as we have said all along our goal is to give vice president biden the space he needs to make this decision and build for the possibility of

a presidential campaign. andy, are you buying the old, i got to talk to the wife? >> this case, yeah. i can't imagine what it is like to lose a child. makes total sense this is tough call for him. from purely political standpoint, though, that doesn't look good if you want to be president. does anyone want to bet if he decides to run, does anyone want to bet against there being a whisper campaign from clinton staffers about how, we shouldn't have president whose heart is really in it. i will take that one now. >> that he has one at least, compared to hillary. >> i think somebody's heart is compromised, versus brain, ethics and morals are compromised. >> completely agree. >> you know what is so stark about that, those comments, that is more authentic, real, heart-felt and true than anything hillary clinton has said on camera or off in the last year or 25 years. that is who he is. and it is from here. and that's what could connect with voters.

>> about the resident democrat, julie, i find it hard to believe his mind isn't already made up about this? >> i got to tell you. i know joe biden, last authentic guy in washington, d.c. he really is. i take him at his word. i can't imagine -- take aside the fact ambition counsel man, ambition to run for president. notwithstanding the fact he is one heart beat from the presidency last six or seven years. he just lost a child. he is struggling with this joe biden, his wife, has been struggling as well. i get where he is coming from. i get he might not know, i think his head wants him to do it. i think his heart is broken. i don't know that i knows what he is going to do. i hope he gets in. i hope he runs. i love joe biden. i would love to see him run. >> i completely hire the clintons saying, he is not stable enough. he is too emotional. >> that is exactly with i'm saying.

he has got to be prepared for that. and look, he knows the clintons. knows that is going to happen you julie, i completely agree. i hope he jumps in the race. i think he is much, much better person than hillary clinton. >> it will be a centered race. you will hear a lot more about foreign policy. i don't think i agree with joe biden a lot fundamentally and philosophically. but you will have more substantial discussion. could be problematic for republican. >> frank luntz says, if he runs it will be best announcement speech in history of the presidential politics and worth 10 percentage points in the polls. >> we know his son, according to reports that was his dying wish his father would run. we know there is something powerful from final words for a loved one which is pulling on his heart. if he decides to run that would be a compelling reason. the county clerk jailed for he refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses now offering the judge a compromise to end the showdown. the very latest in this very high-profile case, pitting

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because of her christian beliefs. she is offering a remedy for the showdown. what is the remedy? kristin davis is there. what is going on? >> reporter: kennedy the remedy is simple if you believe kim davis's attorney, name removed from any same section marriage certificate that her office hands out. davis wants to be signing off on same section marriage because she believes it goes against god's another. for her this is heaven or hell decision. her opponents say this is not personal buy leaves. this is about elected official obeying the law. with kim davis behind bars, had morning her deputy started out same-sex marriage licenses. first one to get one left hugging and crying. they spoke with reporters and weighed in on davis's faith. >> i don't -- licenses should be given out. this isn't a blessing this is a license. >> what does it mean for same

sex rights in this country? >> it means, at least for this area, civil rights are civil rights and they're not subject to belief. >> in many conservative christian circles kim davis is hero. republican presidential candidate mike huckabee will hold a liberty rally for davis in kentucky next tuesday. he calls this the quote, criminalization of christianity. >> kim davis because she followed her convictions is put in jail and is not given bail. this is unbeliveable moment in american history. and i think it may wake people up because who's next? are pastors next? >> reporter: now the judge in this case davis will remain behind bars for at least a week because, remember yesterday, when the couple suing her asked that she not be sent to jail provided she agreed to let her deputies do their job. davis refused. in their words, kim davis holds the key to her own jail cell. kennedy? >> kristin, thank you very much

for the report from washington, d.c. so i will turn to you. andy levy, what should happen here? i mean, you know, here is a woman who converted to christianity in 2011 when her mother-in-law passed away. she is fervent believer and believe god's love trumps all this is law of the land according to a supreme court decision. so where should we find rationality? >> to me there is not even discussion here. she, elected official refused to do the job. refused lawful court order to do they are job. she is in jail. she chose a government job. she is being paid by the taxpayers of rowan county. as long as she is being paid by them she can't refuse lawful service to them. governor huckabee is great guy, like him a lot. he is 100% wrong on this. >> legislature in kentucky doesn't convene until winter. winter time. around january. so they're the ones who would have to formally impeach her. she is elected official.

she is not backing down. what do you do, let the woman rot in prison? >> perhaps. she is welcome to resign her job. if she doesn't want to do her job, which, a part of her job is a clerk of the court in that county, in kentucky to issue marriage licenses. americans and government workers and particularly elected officials do not get to pick and choose which laws they follow or enforce. and to conservatives who are upset about this, they have been very angry about president obama making his own laws for executive actions and directive. so you ought to be very upset about this as well. >> abstracting, picking and choosing. now, andrea, if were muslim and used her muslim faith as justification for not enforces laws. >> wouldn't be talking about it. it wouldn't be in the headlines. i doubt that this muslim person you speak of would be thrown in jail immediately. there is a double-standard i think. but, andy's absolutely right.

as much as i believe in religious freedom i think we all support religious freedom, this is the not place to do it. you have to do your job. you have to enforce the law. >> yeah. >> move her to the dmv? truly, just move her to another department, where she feels more comfortable? there is easy solution to this. >> she is county clerk. >> elected official? >> can they offer her some other job? chris christie came out, said can't they do something to propose a solution to this. you can do this something. to your point ernest came it said no public official is above the law, i thought really? what about hillary clinton? what about lois lerner? what about president obama? this administration speaks out of both sides of their mouth. >> same people like mike huckabee i think is about nice guy, scream about sharia laws, she is are exact same people have no problem with what she is doing. imposing her religious beliefs. what is probably against her religious believes, somebody not

christian marrying a muslim. somebody not christian marrying somebody jewish. >> or stay-at-home mom. >> are you she not the not giving out people who are not same religious beliefs. there is remedy. chris christie should know this. the remedy dagen proposed. take a hike. resign. do something else for a living. >> that is something the governor kind of suggested. >> we are a nation of laws. there is the rule of law. i'm sorry -- >> we have freedom of religion too. welcome to take the pulpit. >> it is not theocracy. it is just not. >> some people compare this to baker being forced to make a cake. completely opposite from that. i, you know, i would support a baker's right not to make a cake for something the baker didn't want to make a cake for. to me that is private business. they can do whatever they want. the minute you hold public office and taxpayers are paying your salary, uh-uh. >> the baker doesn't take an oath to to up -- uphold the constitution of laws of land

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line. the republican frontrunner meeting privately with the rnc chairman. then announcing that he sign ad loyalty pledge vowing not to run as an independent if he doesn't win the republican nomination. speaking with greta "on the record,," rnc chairman reince priebus suggesting that the matter is done and over with. >> am i better off today than i was yesterday? the answer is yes. and so, yeah, you know what? in six months if someone wanted to play that card, he was pretty emphatic. all of our candidates are emphatic they're not running as independent and running the party is my job. >> but some are questioning if trump's move will backfire by hurting his credibility among his supportsers. the "national journal" writings quote, for now the trump is tying himself in the establishment in a way deeply avoided to this point of the tide could snap but how much it changes the candidacy meantime is totally up in the air. trump appears to take his campaign seriously as the gop establishment suddenly is in a

cycle so far has seen republican voters rewarding political outsiders. there may be something for trump to lose here. what do you think, andy? did he have to sign that pledge to get some credibility, get backing on party, to get on ballot in south carolina? >> this is completely meaningless. remember rumors joe biden would run for only serve for one term? this means as much as that would. there is always a reason for you to say, you know, well, circumstances have changed. things have changed. trump has been very clear about saying all he wants is to be treated fairly by the republican party. all he has to do is six months from now, say, i don't believe i was treated fairly by the republican party so i'm running as independent. his supporters will yell, right-on we're with you. we were with you when you signed it. we're with you if you break it. doesn't matter. i want to run as third party candidate spend spend millions

and millions of dollars of his money to get precisely number of electoral votes i will get. zero. >> i don't think signing the pledge mattered either way. he should have crafted his own pledge and stuck in the face of rnc. i'm sorry, the party over years is democrat-light on number of issues. he is winning on issues. fight illegal immigration. sign my pledge and i will sign yours. >> up until then he was running for the republican nomination. he was standing up on that stage with the first debate with all those other republican candidates. plus he did indicate with south carolina he would have to sign a similar pledge part of the primary. he was kind of indicating he would do that this just says i'm serious about this. i'm like, i'm going head first into getting this nomination. a lot more people think hey he might be republican nominee. >> it was a bit of distraction people asking him if he runnings for third party. now he doesn't have to answer

silly questions that may have given conservatives ajita. i heard you sigh. it was same reason i'm sighing in disgust. republican party has to get beyond pledges and pipeline. need something bigger, sign a pledge. we have pipeline. >> this is really stupid. two parties have it wrong, i'm in charge of that party, by gum. really, fancy pants? all right. i agree with andy. i don't think it is that big of a deal. i don't think anti-establishment people are going great, donald trump is sellout. he must be kim kardashian way he loves kanye west. what matters, establishment republicans sipping chardonnay. this donald trump seems a bit of a hothead, but perhaps he will have my vote and we're trying to shore up. >> watching the press conference i would have removed that salmon colored marble years ago. that is so '80s. >> really is.

>> so gordon gekko. >> that republican establishment would look at him say one of us. >> no way. reince priebus, doing victory lap. better off today, than i was yesterday. because the guy didn't embarass you entirely yesterday by doing what andrea suggested. you stupidly went into a meeting where you weren't guaranteed what the result was going to be and lived to survive another day. congratulations, reince priebus of the donald trump has been consistent about one thing only. he has been consist inconsistent about everything. the fact that he is republican today. he was democrat yesterday. a reform party presidential candidate. congratulations reince priebus. heck of a job there, buddy. >> you know the perfect way to get out of this would be to say, i don't pledge my loyalty to any party. my loyalty is to the people of the united states of america. >> and my brand. >> look at all the good ideas he should have said. >> all right. a somber day in houston and

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sheriff's deputy gunned down while he filled up his patrol car with gas. deputy sheriff darren goforth was shot execution-style last week. meanwhile in illinois police are still searching for three men suspected in killing of an officer there earlier this week. they also say they may have significant evidence and point to footage from a home security video system. both killings fueling growing debate about the risks of being a cop in this country. the executive director of the national fraternal order of police telling "the washington post" quote, it's a trifecta. there is hostile element within the community at large. there is many incidents a lack of support on the part of elected officials and police management. and there is this ubiquitous social media effort to discredit police officers because of extraordinarily rare misconduct by a very few. so andrea, what will darren goforth's legacy be to this

country? >> i mean, look, he seems incredibly loved, if you look at the pictures we've been showing live. packed, a large crowd, packed. i mean texans, they support very, very deeply the rule of law. they support their officers. but this is something that is happening across the country. i mean, we alerted it as came in. kate steinle murdered by illegal immigrant. we're seeing just a summer of lawlessness escalation of crime in cities. "usa today," "new york times" highlighted this. when is it going to stop? >> is this a turning point? do you think his death is a turning point? is this one of the moments you look back and realize -- >> i hope so. i hope so. i don't hear a lot of rhetoric coming out of washington, d.c. that is pro-police. >> yeah. >> i hear contrary. that you have bad apples. and some police can act, you know, aggressively but what you don't hear is real support for police. we got numbers just this week showing police recruitment,

those who want to enlist down. this disproportionally affects and hurt communities that need it the most in these cities. these cities run by liberals and democrats. these are blue cities and lives are being taken every single day. you don't hear people standing up for blue lives matter as much as you do for the other. >> maybe they will. hopefully they will. what is it going to take? it will take murder arriving at your doorstep. murders are up dramatically in more than 30 cities across the country. new orleans, baltimore, you name it. they're going up. it will reach a point where people in the cities are so angry about what's happening they will make a stand and they will allow the police to step up and do their jobs. and the police will no longer fear for their lives. they will be able to do their jobs as they see fit. >> obviously, andy, there is a disconnect between the people who protest lawfully and peacefully in the street asking for criminal justice reform. >> right. >> and murdersers who go out and

pick targets, police officers and law enforcement officers. you both and i have family and friends who wear the uniform. >> yeah. >> how does it take away from criminal justice reform movement when we see murders like this? >> you see this on every issue on all sides. sarah palin was being blamed for ads with the targets on them. then you have one side saying oh, you shouldn't do that. then the script flips. then side saying you shouldn't do that is suddenly one saying you should do that. >> yeah. >> 26 police officers or law enforcement officers have been killed this year. that is 26 too many. last year at this time it was 31. if you go back even further, the number is higher. as i said, that is 26 too many this year. but, it means, that what we're hearing about a war on cops, et cetera, i think is being overblown by the media. i don't think there is wave of anti-police shootings going on here. >> yeah.

>> and it is absolutely fair to say that tensions between police and communities are really, really high right now. that is something as you said, needs to be seriously addressed. the problem is, as long as everyone is yelling at each other nothing will get seriously addressed. that we're at yelling stage. >> you're nodding your head, julie. >> i agree with everything you said. there is not a war on cops, the statistics second lowest number past five years police officer deaths but -- >> i think it feels maybe these stories because they get so much attention now. >> having said that. i said this yesterday. both sides need to take a deep breath. "black lives matter" side, there is believe a lot of community police something not right with respect to minority communities on the other hand, you nailed it or dagen did, you can not go after police officers because after few bad apples. there are really a few bad apples. don't tarnish police department of any one city. you also nailed it, people who are dying disproportionately

here, inner-cities i can not like new york baltimore. st. louis -- >> subtle implication is back lives matter but not to cops. parenthetically that can an be destructive and harmful. >> "black lives matter" to everybody and specifically around cops that protect them in the inner city except for a few bad apples which got disproportionate attention. both sides need to take a deep breath and understand there are overwhelmingly good well-intentioned people on both sides. don't let outlyers ruin everything for everybody which is going on. >> amen. >> one of america's top universities making sure male students check masculinity at the campus doors or in their purses. with lectures focusing on male aggression or gender equality. is this important to teach or insult to men, especially young men? we will discuss in depth. stay here on "outnumbered." for gentle overnight relief, try dulcolax laxative tablets.

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♪ >> colleges nationwide start the new year, vanderbilt university is making sure its male students keep their manhood in check. the school's women's center is hosting healthy masculinity week, focusing on lecturing men about their masculinity. one of the courses offered

during the event is called, maintaining bro status. fraternity men discuss masculinity and maintaining health. women's center says the week hopes to encourage men to explore healthy masculinity through various lenses, american society, gay and bisection you'll community, from terns and more. andy, if they were offering a course how to bro your weekend, flat lens and football i would take it. >> i don't think you need a course. >> i got a little nervous there. >> you both know me a little too will. >> five-alarm nachos. >> what is this "red eye" all i sudden? >> what do you think of this? >> none of this is mandatory. if you think it is dumb, you doesn't go to it, case closed but, if masculinity xxl portrayal of manhood in "magic mike" is your thing i would advise you aptly named butrick

hall 7:00 p.m. where you find it. >> finally. yeah. >> why does vanderbilt see the need to have this masculinity week? >> because they're trying to demasculinize men. this is theme beyond vanderbilt university. they are trying, they, academicses and littleliberal left turn men into thumb sucking in jeans. ask them to chick their cajones at the door when they walk in. you mentioned "magic mike." who likes "magic mike"? i do. i'm a woman. they're feminizing all the men coast to coast. >> i'm guessing majority of people at "magic mike" thing will be women. >> the author of the book the seminar is named after, how does she feel about someone like ronda rousey? i think ronda rousey is incredible role model for their girls. she work hard. kicks hard. undefeated competing in man's world.

if you're demonizing a man's world -- >> disagree. i don't like shy has a job. >> she should be in the kitchen? >> yes. >> is excellent point, andy. compel len point is point you made earlier. this isn't vanderbilt. this is women's center. when i was in college decided to be vegetarian. went to the old vegetarian seminar. i realize you couldn't eat bacon double cheeseburgers i took a hike. not that the school was teaching me to vegetarian. i thought for one misguided moment not to be one. >> what does the heck women's center know about men? this is the point, you should not have women lecturing men. celebrating women. i get that. stop there. this is larger theme. women wonder where are the masculine strong men at? >> men and women can learn and grow knowing how to build a for the. >> who will fix your toilet. >> i can fix your toilet, girl. i am magic with a plunger. >> and nachos. >> great muppet soap opera, kind of.

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>> days the outrage and still going all over a muppet and his new girlfriend. kermit the frog maintains he is just dating, following his much publicized split with miss piggy he is involved with another new swine, denise. feminists voicing outrage, slamming kermit for ditching full feminist full-figured ex for younger skinnier model. interesting since miss piggy became feminist. she and kermit broke up and she and kermit are dating somebody younger. i have thoughts. he never married her. miss piggy took a hike because he never put a ring on it. new republic pointed out she was domestic abuser. used to beat him which is never septemberable behavior. he took a hike. found a new girlfriend. i'm happy for kermit.

this is met a at that for for women and men. >> he is tom brady of frogs. of the ditched older, less attractive girlfriend for the younger, hotter models. >> that's right, tom brady. >> miss piggy was not knocked up. >> he is a cheater? >> have you ever tried to put engagement ring on split hoof? very, very tough. >> no it is not. >> diamond encroused knows ring. >> i'm disgusted what the message sending about body image to female pigs everywhere. like by the way, a sow is at least 300 pounds when it is grown. 350, 400 pounds. these skinny you know what, piglets. >> what do you think of new hotter girlfriend. >> i find it interesting feminists are up in arms about this they don't know anything about the new girl friend other than the fact she is younger and thinner. maybe she is more of a feminist than miss piggy. maybe mike me she is ninth wave feminist. we don't know.

people making judgments on her age and looks. i find that shameful. >> it is offensive. gucci synonymous with high-end fashion. they can make a silk purse out after sow's ear. the latest must-have shoe is raising eyebrows. check out $995 loafers, lined with real kangaroo fur. some find them stunning. many followers are calling them ugly, stupid. critics are blasting use of real animal fur. and drea i know you love shoes. you love kangaroo. you're obviously torn. where do you come down. >> i do love fur. sorry, peta, my office looks like taxidermy. these ugly and i wouldn't buy them for that reason. >> i think they're attractive. kangaroo they don't have antiseptic fur. >> i hope somebody who buys a pair runs into a kangaroo in a dark alley and gets kicked in the teeth. >> slow down, pam anderson.

>> fashion industry are saying we'll hoodwink people think they are cool. walking around the streets and we'll have the last laugh. >> would you wear those? >> never, never, ugly. they're flat. no offense. she wears flat shoes. i have two tree trunks. i can't wear flat shoes. >> i have every winter whip out the uggs. ugliest shoes. they're comfortable f those are comfortable -- >> for 1,000 bucks? >> have you put on a pair of uggs? >> not for a thousand dollars. they could be lined with tom brady -- >> if they were lined with tom brady send him back where he came from with his fleet of balls but -- >> not weighed in on this. >> i actually think they're ugly. i say this as someone who recently got lovely text from admirer saying i like your shoes. so. >> i do like them. >> those are a sickness. they're lovely.

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