world. >> hi, world. >> that's it for us tonight. thank you for watching this special edition of the factor. i am welcome to the kelly file special, the immigration issue. i'm shannon bream in for megyn kelly. the hot topic for the campaign trail right now, imdprags. the challenges are enormous. how to stop the flow of illegal immigrants and what to do with more than the 11 million undocumented living in the u.s. today. the candidates have weighed in on every aspect of this issue across the board. >> we need to secure our borders, enforce or laws. go forward with a legal immigration system that puts a priority on american working

families. >> build the wall, let people know if they come here illegally they're going back. >> you need an e verify system and an entry exit tracking system and all other sorts of things to prevent illegal immigration. >> it makes no sense right now that we have millions of people coming here illegally to this country. and that current law grants their children citizenship. >> everything should be on the table to be discussed to make sure that what we do is we have the most effective system that we can to end what has been happening in the country, which is having people coming here illeg illegally. >> the border patrol needs to act on a strategy and stick with it. there's too much politicizing of what they're trying to do. they do good work but too much influence from washington, d.c. >> we need the federal immigration laws enforced in every single city, including san francisco. it's shameful that sanctuary cities exist. >> it really goes back to something that, you know, i hate so much, then's political

correctness. that keeps us from being able to do what needs to be done to secure or borders. >> the candidate taking the most heat for his stance on immigration, donald trump. he doff head first into the fray on day one of his campaign. >> well mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're sending people that have lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. and some i assume are good people. >> tonight we examine what the candidates are proposing and will their ideas work. first, a closer look at one of the most controversial proposals. donald trump's suggestion that as president he would seek to force all illegal immigrants living in the u.s. to leave. critics pounced on the proposal. today democrat president candidate hilary clinton evoked one of the most terrifying and

despicable images of the holocaust to go after republicans on this very issue. >> i find it the height of irony that a party which espouses small government would want to unleash a massive law enforcement effort, including, perhaps, national guard and others, to go and literally pull people out of their homes and their workplaces, round them up, put them, i don't know, in buses, box cars, in order to take them across our border. i just find that not only absurd but appalling. >> mark thiessen is a fox news contributor and former chief presidential speech write tore george w. bush. marc, i want to ask you, which candidate proposed using national guards men to go in and drag people out of their houses and put them in quote box cars

to get them out of the country? >> not a single one. and you know, hilary clinton compared republican to terrorists. today she's comparing home nazis saying that republicans want to take immigrants and put them in box cars. one that wreaks of desperation. two, it wreaks of hypocrisy. let's not forget it was her husband, bill clinton who sent federal agents armed with sub machine guns to bust down the doors of an immigrant's door and grab a child out of his home and put him back into cuba. if hilary clinton is worried about that, she ought to talk to her husband. >> how worried should she be about the terminology that she's using. the boxcar analogy, most people out there are going to think of the holocaust. that's the last image that anyone wants to be used. when people make those kinds of

reference ors reference not city or hitler, they're roundly denounced usually when they do it. >> she's done it two days in a row now. yesterday it was al qaeda. today people who are concerned about the question of illegal immigration whoed about kate steinle being shot in san francisco by an illegal immigrant who should have been deported, those people are nazis. this is rhetoric that sun fit for presidential campaign and quite frankly it's desperation. she's so desperate to change the subject from her e-mails and the fact that she might be indicted that she is using the most heinous language you could possibly have in a presidential campaign. it's appalling. >> let's talk about the underlying issue here, the idea of mass deportations. people criticized this idea. although trump in laying out his specific immigration policy, there was no wording call for mass deportation but it's an idea he's discussed in context

in a number of interviews, talking they all have to go, your head is going to spin so fast these people are going to be gone. and then we're going to let the good ones back in. you say this is really not that far out. if you're looking at ideas that have been proposed and actually gotten some bipartisan approval in the past, depending on if that's really what trump means. >> people are focused on his rhetoric which is heated, saying everybody has got to go and all of the rest of it. what he's proposed when you talk about it is exactly what you said, to make people i leave the country. and then the good ones, meaning the ones without criminal records can be extradited back to the country so they can stay legally. that is a proposal being endorsed by the editorial page of the "the new york times," voted on by the senate, nearly passed and five democrats voted in favor of it. it's called touchback. back in 2007 there was a bill

that would have said every illegal immigrant, if they want to stay here, has to go back to their home country, apply for a visa and come back in here. it was defeated in the senate 53-45, a very close vote. five democrats voted for that. mrs. clinton, are those democrats nazis? that's what you're saying about them. >> dr. ben carson, he says some segments of the economy would virtually collapse if you did get tens of millions of heem who are here illegally to leave the country. jeb bush talked about what he believes to be trump's proposal. he says, it's not realistic, would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and violates civil libertys with and also causing friction with mexico, our third largest trading partner. fair criticism? >> i don't think they are. trump, his rhetoric is much more heated than what he's proposing. he keeps saying i've got a big heart. what he's talking about is touch

back amnesty. it's form of amnesty. in fact you have to go out of the country to get it. this touch back proposal was endorsed by the "the new york times," they said, quote, it's not ideal but if a touchback provision is imaginable and reassures people that illegal immigrants are going back to the line, it's defensible. national review attacked it, saying it was a fraud that would allow illegal immigrants to cut the line and have back door amnesty. this was endorsed by the "the new york times" and attacked by the national review. >> the "the new york times" and donald trump on the same page about immigration? we'll have to dig into that a little more. marc thiessen good to see you. one of the most controversial proposals being discussed when it comes to immigration is the idea of building a wall to span the entire southern border with mexico. we're going to look at where the candidates and the voters stand on that and also ask rich lowery

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one of the most divisive issues when it comes to immigration is the idea of build a wall along our entire border with mexico. hundreds of miles of fence have already been built with a price tag of $7 billion. but as the race for 2016 heats up, we're hearing more and more voices suggesting that if they find themselves in the oval office, the bigger wall is going to be exactly what voters get. >> we know how to do that and we've done it in some parts of the border. but people are still coming in. it requires for fencing and building a wall. >> yes we need to build a wall, yes we need for boots on the ground and yes you need more technology. >> earlier in the year i was on fox news sunday and laid out what i thought woe should do, secure the border, build the wall is, have the tex nolg and the personnel to make sure it's safe and secure. >> first of all we should finish the fence. >> we build a fence where it

needs to be built. >> i will build the greatest wall that you've ever seen. i'm talking about a wall. see that ceiling up there? higher. >> rich lowery is a national review editor and fox news contributor. great to see you tonight. so we heard from him a little earlier tonight, the same kind of thing and he said china did it. what's the big deal. it's going to be a gigantic high wall and he's going to make mexico pay for it. >> a big beautiful wall. >> the most beautiful wall we've ever seen. >> a lot of the fencing that exists there is vehicle fencing that is not meant to stop people. >> humans. >> a lot of it isn't double fencing. but it does make a lot of sense to spend billions of dollars to build a great wall of china literally in the middle of nowhere. and if you want the bang for the buck, we need the political will to enforce the law so we have

now -- you know, in the central american border surge, a lot of these people coming over voluntarily surrendered to a border patrol agent. it wasn't the matter whether they were getting stopped, they were seeking out border patrol agents because they knew they had to be waived into the country to show up for a hearing at some future date. and all of the time i.c.e. is coming across illegal immigrants in jail and doesn't do anything about it. that's really where the interior enforcement is where we should focus more. it's easy for everyone to say, the border, the border, the fence, the fence. >> chris christie, one of the 2016 con tenders said be weary of any presidential contender who says they're going to build a wall across the border. it's not feasible. others, senator marco rubio running for 2016 said lit's look at the via overstay problem.

forof then that got her illegally got here by coming here legally on a visa and then there's in intraexit tracking and they don't leave. >> if you have the great wall of china and it completely works and totally seals the southern border, you're going to have half of the population of illegal immigrants coming in on the visa overstays. the magnet is the jobs. you need an e verify system to choke off the immigration at the point of employment. if you do that, it doesn't matter what you have at the border or don't have at the border. that would end the real magnet. >> it's something we hear people talk about all of the time. and it sounds like a common sense thing. if employers are getting puni punished for luring these people over and taking advantage of them. but there are only a handful of states that require e verify. why aren't more of them requiring it? >> it's really popular to crack

down on the employers who employ illegal immigrants. the employers are very powerful. they don't want to deal with this. they consider it undue regulation. and a lot of small businesses, they like the cheep labor. that's the dirty little secret here. >> on this issue, this is one where jeb bush has gone after trump saying, he's not really a conservative. if you were you wouldn't mandate spending this money that the government doesn't have to put up this wall that's not going to work because it's going to cost money that the country doesn't have. >> i wouldn't say it's unconservative to talk about building a wall. it's inprudent and on the scale that trump is talking about. and the more important issues to consider enforcement are not quite so simplistic and have to do more with interior enforcement. >> and looking at the visa problem which doesn't involve the wall at all, good place to start. thanks for coming in. while it's rarely been in

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recent statistics reveal we're still seeing tens of thousands of kids and families pouring across the border. what happens to all of them. what does it mean for the united states. mark, thanks for being here. >> glad to be here. >> we know they come across as families. if there are children involved, a lot of times they end up in detention centers while they wait for processing. we've reported that some of the families, 84% of them when they were allowed to stay free instead of hanging around for their hearings, they didn't show up. that's a problem. but now the administration has a problem because a federal judge in california said they can't hold the families in the detention centers only for short periods of time. what does that mean? where do they go? >> they weren't holding that many of them anyway. but the small number of the illegal immigrant families they were holding, basely pending their immigration hearings to make sure they showed up, like you said, the judge said they

have to be let go by next month. what's going the happen is they're going to drop them off at a bus station and they're going to go with a piece of paper saying please show up for your hearing on such and sufficient a date. they're going to join their relatives and never be seen again. the overwhelming majority of these illegal immigrant families that are coming across in this border surge into central america don't show up for the hearings. why would you? people who show up for immigration hearings are people who have a pretty good expect t t ation that they're going to win. they're going a get a green card or somehow or other be allowed to stay. if you figure i don't have that much of a chance of prevailing, why would you show up? if you lose, you get deported. but if you run off and years later the immigration service finds you, maybe under some other administration, because this administration won't look for them, what's the worst that's going to happen to you?

you're going to get sent back just like if you had showed up for your hearings. of course they're not going to show up. >> what about secretary jaye johnson say if you come here, you don't get to stay. the administration is running ads in other countries saying don't come here. they're not going to get to stay. gu if this is what the reality turns out to be, what the insin tif for people to get here? >> not much. the adds are on the internet. we've published links and blogs on them. radio ads and other things in central america. they say just this. if you are caught at the border you will be immediately deported. it's hilarious. people may be listening to us on the radio. somebody in honduras. but then you get a call from your neighbor or brother-in-law, whoever it is in the washington, d.c. area and you know, came through and he says, well they just let us go with a piece of paper and we're going to ignore the people and nobody is looking

for us anyway. which are you going to believe if you're a person in honduras considering, should i move illegally to the united states. are you going to listen to the u.s. government ads or are you going to listen to your own relatives and neighbors who told you that the ads are bologna. the conclusion people are going to draw is wow, look, the american government is just as dishonest and full of it as our government is. i'm going to go ahead and give it a try. >> real quickly, i want to ask you. a federal judge talked about the conditions in which the kids are being held. they don't fit with a court order for 15 years ago saying they have to be certain conditions. can't be like the kids are in prison. any compassion to that argument by the judge? >> if the conditions need to be improved because they're really intolerable, i'm happy to consider that. look, we've got to do what we've got to do. but the idea that if you come with a child, you are basically

home free and let go is outrageous. and in the long run it's harmful because it will lead to trafficking and people pretending this is their kid just to use them for illegal immigration. it's easy to kind of wring our hands and emote. but you have to consider the long term consequences of these kinds of decisions. >> it is very complex. mark, great to see you tonight. thank you so much. >> thank you. now reaction tonight to the debate over bitter right citizenship in the 14th amendment. does it really mean that children of illegal immigrants are automatically u.s. citizens? former justice department attorney is here. plus -- >> i'll use the word anchor baby. excuse me. i'll use the word anchor baby. >> is that not bombastic? >> no, it isn't. give me another word. >> alan combs weighs in on the controversial term anchor baby and its use on the campaign trail. ♪

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new reaction tonight to the latest debate dividing the republican 2016 field. should children born in the united states to illegal immigrant parents automatically be granted u.s. citizenship? that's the case. that's how it work right now. the bit right citizenship issues is raining questions when it comes to the 14th amendment. which state that all persons bornd and naturalized in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the state. joining me now, jay christian adams. good to see you tonight. listen, i got to tell you, i got an inbox fuel, a page full, twitter feed full of people on both sides of this debate. there's not another issue that i've dealt with with a little

bit of legal nuance that both sides are 100% convinced that they're right. what do you think? >> there is an answer, i think. i would suggest that people actually see the cases. probably the most important thing to realize is that the supreme court of the united states has never confronted the issue, never taken the issue of whether there's birthright citizenship. whether or not a person born in the united states under the 14th amendment is automatically a citizen. they've danced around the issue. they've come close but they've never actually confronted it. and basically it boils down to this. the 14th amendment says subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. that's important. so it's people who avail themselves to the united states. that does not mean foreign invading armies, that does not mean foreign ambassador children. it does not mean possibly the children of illegal aliens because they're sort of more

like an invading army than they are anything else. >> and we keep hearing this quote, going back to senator jacob howard when they were debating it and putting it together, he said it will not include persons born in the united states who are foreigners, aliens who belong to the families of ambassadors. so some will say the guy behind this, their argument is he never intended for this to apply to quote, as we have here, foreigners or aliens. there are others who say, look, the supreme court didn't decide the merits on this but there is a footnote by justice brennan that talks about the fact that you're born here, you're a citizen and that's it. do you think this ultimately goes to the courts or do you come down to those who say that congress is the one, that's the body that's got to solve the issue? >> congress has enormous power turned 14th amendment. under section 5 of the 14th amendment, they were given power to basically decide ploerls what

the 14th amendment is. and so congress can, i believe, fix this problem. shannon, who is benefitting from birthright citizenship now. ask yourself that. it's almost entirely. children of illegal aliens. there is very few people benefitting from it who are here somehow illegally. it's something that congress ought to decide. it's something that i think the vast majority of the american people want to end because it doesn't seem fair. the constitution dount have a clear answer and a the that's when congress needs to step in. >> do you think these guys and gals are going to be about to do that? there's a lot they can't agree on. i cannot imagine getting democrats and republicans on the same side about many things, but certainly not birthright citizenship. >> it's one of the great disconnects between what most americans think and what people in washington, d.c. think. because if you talk to most americans, they don't think that people who come here illegally

should get a reward and have their children taken care of by the federal and state and local governments the rest of their life because they decided to break the law. it is tremendously unpopular and it's time to reexamine it. >> it seems that there needs to be some clarification, but there's plenty of dispute. j. christian adams, thanks for lending us your opinion on that. a controversy over this issue, another battle is brewing on what the children who are born here to illegal immigrants should be called. some are using the term anchor baby to describe them. yet a number of republican candidates are not shying away from that phrase. watch this. >> are you aware that the term anchor babies, that's an offe e offensive term. >> you mean it's not politically correct and yet everybody uses it? give me a different term.

what else would you like for me say. >> american child of an undocumented immigrant. >> you want me to say that? i'll use the word anchor baby. >> do you reget using the term anchor baby on the radio? . >> no i don't regret it. >> you don't reget it? >> no. do you have a better term? >> i'm asking you. a lot of folks find it offensive. >> give me a better term and i'll use it. serious. don't yell behind my ear. >> is that not bombastic. >> no, it isn't. >> do you find that phrase offensive or not? >> folks today are too easily offend offended. i'm happy to use the term. >> joining me now, alan combs and video host at the blaze and executive director of the conservative hispanic society. good to see you both. chris, you are a conservative hispanic gentleman, i'll start with you. what are you thought as enwhat

do you think others feel about this term? >> well, my thoughts about the term is it's very descriptive, very useful. i don't see what the problem is. when i say the phrase anchor baby everybody knows exactly what subset of people we're talking about which i think is why the american left work so hard to say you can't say that, it's offensive or what have you. we have seen this in other examples as well, the term, what is it, migrant. i always say illegal ail yell or illegal immigrant to be specific. but we have to stop getting caught up in the semantics. >> alan, i know you don't like this phrase, don't like the use of it. but what about the editing of our language. at what point is somebody not offended by everything that we say. is it not descriptive and accurate? >> it is still a slur. the american heritage dictionary say it's a slur. you're taking a baby, an innocent child and saying this

is a weight upon the country. it's terrible term and one that should not be used. and by the way, anchor babies, if that's what you want to call them are good for the united states because they become taxpayers. if you're an american citizen, even if you're a child born because of -- >> whoa. whoa. >> if i could please finish. >> yes. >> if you're born because of the tourism because your family goes back to the country with an american passport. you're a life paying american taxpayer. that's good for the american public and good for us. in 2012, $11.5 billion were paid by undocumented immigrants in taxes. it's good for america. >> we has a study from the certain for immigration studies that says 71% of households with illegal immigrant parents who do have children who are here and are u.s. citizens are on some kind of government assistance. we have the tax base that alan

refers to them paying into. but the others worry about the drain on society is a negative. >> it's not a drain on society. >> gentlemen, chris, you answer and we'll come back to you alan. >> look, alan, the babies start off as a drain on the system first off. it's going to talk about 18 years bafr they can become product tiff members of society. the term anchor baby, can we understand what this means. the term anchor baby allows the family to remain in the country utilizing the child's birth right citizenship that shouldn't given to the child because we all know the origins of the 14th amendment. but they use the child as a anchor to remain in to country and to access the benefits. milton freeman had an excellent analysis op this. wed a illegal immigration in 1912, somewhere around there. we didn't have the entitlement

state. now that we have the entitlement state, that becomes fiscally unsustainable for the fitness of america. you can have your entitlement state or unrestricted immigration all you want but you can't have both. >> alan. >> they've done studies that show there's a net benefit from those we hear without documentation. they contribute more towards society than they take out. that is a fact. they are not a drain on us and in fact they are a benefit. they're taxpayers. they pay local state taxes, they pay sales taxes, they give more than they take back. it's a myth to say -- >> that's not true. >> it's true. it's been challenged. >> that's not true. >> how do you respond to the fact that household numbers are so high when it looks like those turn to the government for assistance. >> most of the people who come to this country are working and paying tactions. they are not a drain. they contribute more

economically than taye take out. they don't get social security, yet many of them pay into it -- excuse me, i'm not done. they live under the radar. they can't go to emergency rooms. they're afraid to call the cops. >> now, alan -- >> whoa. time out. >> you know that go to emergency rooms. that is a fact. >> they do go to emergency rooms. as a matter of fact, obama dair, the big promise for obamacare, no taxpayer money will go to illegal immigrants. and they go into these public and community health care centers and nobody is checking ids there. so yes, the american taxpayer money is going to illegal immigrant communities. you're lying to yourself. >> don't say i'm lying. don't you dare do that. >> we are obviously not going to solve this all tonight. we thank you for coming and playing the game tonight. we'll have you back soon. maybe we'll continue on pay-per-view and settle it there. >> cage match. >> thank you very much.

the issue of immigration was thrown into the spotlight with the murder of kate steinle in july. hers is far from being the only senseless death at the hands of an illegal immigrant. up next, you'll hear from the mother of an 18-year-old who was beaten, tortured and killed by a young man who came to this country illegally. >> instead of getting joshua >> instead of getting joshua home t

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the debate over u.s. immigration policies really started heading up this past july when an inspiring young woman by the name of kate steinle who was killed by a man who was in the country illegally and had been released from police custody a few months prior. she was not the only senseless death at the hands of someone who came here illegally. josh will kerrson was batten, tortured and killed by someone who fit that description back in 2010. and it was powerful testimony in front of the senate judiciary. will kerrson's mother made it clear she's drawing a direct link between current policies and her son's tragic death. >> on november 16th, 2010 he was beaten, strangled, tortured until he died. he was tied up, thrown in a field and set on fire.

his killer was brought her illegally by his illegal parents when he was ten years old. this was our family's 911 terrorist attack by a foreign invader. whether you want to recognize it or whether you do not. this government continues to fail or even recognize that we have an issue. americans are dying daily at the hands of criminals that we don't even know are here. i want you to know that our family is broken forever. we are forever broken. i thank you for your time. i don't want the sympathy. i want you to do something about it. every one who is sitting here is in a position to do something. >> laura will kerrson, josh's mom joins us now. can't imagine somebody that's more persuasive to a lawmaker than somebody like you calling them out an telling them your story. the know the background and read

the details of what happened to josh, i'm so sorry for your family because sit horrific. we cannot imagine what you've been through. it's been five years since his death and yet still nothing has been done to address many of the problems that you highlighted. how are you feeling today and looking forward as to whether you think something concrete is finally going to happen. >> thank you for having me. i feel like there's progress being made because we're still talking about it. in the beginning, you know, you might speak about it then you would hear nothing about it on a national level. there's been some plans thrown out there to try to change it. and so that to me is progress. it can't come quick enough. >> yeah, i mean some of what we're talking about is not controversy at all. people who are here and have committed criminal acts, in many cases, these are people who have bad actions in their past, criminal activities or other issues that mean they should

have been deported. some of them have been deported multiple times yet they're back in this country taking innocent lives. there are other things that are controversial, things dealing with sanctuary cities, cutting off funding or forcing them to comply with the federal laws on the books. are you hoping that issue will get a closer look based on what he's happened? >> i hope so. no one deserves a sanctuary city. they here n're not going to giv me or you. i don't understand the creation of them in the beginning. come on down, we'll let you go. it makes no sense. >> i know you have said in the past you're grateful that we're talking about these things because of donald trump and a lot of the statements that he's made. i don't know necessarily that you would vote for him or he's your guy ore there are other people that you like out there. are you thankful that the conversation is right at the forefront and all of the candidates are having to talk

about what they would do? >> absolutely. that's been the best progress so far. you know, there's a lot to be seen before the election gets here. but that progress is that it's out in the forefront nationally. and i'm so glad that they have to address it. it's the reality for families like myself. it's our reality and it should be addressed. you know, i'm not just one person. there are countless numbers of families that this affects on a daily basis. >> it's so helpful when people like you and other families come forward and personalize this so we all know it could be any of us that are dealing with this pain, with this kind of loss over something that did not have to happen. laura, we thank you so much for sharing your story here. we hope you will continue to see progress along the way and we'll stay on it like we know you will as well. >> thanks so much for having me. >> thank you. we seem to be hearing incidents like this more and more lately. but still the mainstream media

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by now we know where the candidates stand on illegal immigration. what about the people covering theme for if a look at the mainstream media's look, we turn to howard kurtz. good 0 to see you. do you think they're being fair and balanced? we know at least one news outlet is but some owe ones seem to be taking sides in this whole debate? >> generally speaking the mainstream media are sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants to the point that it

colored the coverage. but the underlying tone is president obama is helping to deliver justice to these 11 million people who are here and the republican party is committing suicide. and the punditance the progress nos kay tors were unanimous that donald trump was crippling his campaign when he talked about mexican immigrants and rapists. and in fact his pushing ofg the issue and the wall provided the fuel bringing him to the top of the pack. >> we know there are memos that have gone out pub luckipublicly privatety that you're not used to use certain words. a friend was chastised for using the word illegal immigrant. >> i don't like to shorthand illegal because these are people and some are struggling to get by. but the idea of undocumented workers strikes me as a

euphemism. because the bottom line is the people who are here broke the law to be here illegally then's the center of the political debate. you were talking earlier about the kate steinle murder in san francisco by an illegal immigrant. and i did a little research going back. the "washington post" didn't cover it. the "the new york times" had a story but framed the as a communication between federal and local authorities. so the tragedy wasn't examined as part of the danger of allowing illegal immigrants with questionable records to stay in this country. >> i know when the president took so many actions with regard to -- i don't want to say amnesty, although some of what he's done is amnesty. there seem to be sort of a spirit of praise for him in some media outlets for doing that and not questioning him about the use of executive orders or about the fact that 20 time prior to him doing it he had some version of he couldn't legally do it.

there was a lot of praise for him because he moved things forward because congress wouldn't do it so he had to. >> it seems to me that the focus was not on the president by passing congress but it was on the boldness of the move, the "washington post" had front page pictures celebrating illegal families. but the new story in the post said president obama is willing to forge ahead despite the headlines. "the new york times" editorial page called the plan wise. very different approach that when president bush would by pass congress and it would be that action itself or the assertion of executive authority that would become the focus of the coverage. >> did they mean the u.s. constitution? >> well that's the debate that we should have having. i don't want to paint with too broad a brush. some outlets try to present both sides. but i think you can tell a lot by the underlying tone of a

story, the words that are used. and the bottom line here is that the coverage focused on -- as when gay marriage became the law of the land and owl of this focus on the. happy and celebrating coverage. the instinct of the broadcasters is to go find the families that are happy. >> we've got to leave it there. ♪

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