remember the victims of that horrible attack 14 years ago and the heros who tried to save them. and say a prayer for the families and the survivors. thank you for joining us. i'm megyn kelly. manhattan. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm earthquake bowling in -- eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. they call the summer the silly season in politics. the political sniping seems to have gotten even worse after labor day this cycle. at the center of it all is truck frontrunner donald trump who lobbed this grenade at carly fiorina. >> speaking to "rolling stone" magazine trump said of fellow candidate carlie foreignna, look at that face. would anyone vote for that? >> i'm not going to spend a single cycle wondering what donald trump means. but maybe, just maybe i'm getting under his skin a little bit. >> carlie will have more to

say when she joins us later in this hour. meantime ben carson is the only g.o.p. candidate within striking distance of trump in the polls. and trump had some choice words for him, too. >> i have known ben carson of him for a long time. i never heard faith was a big thing until just recently. all of a sudden he becomes this great religious figure. i don't think is a great religious figure. >> that's a very big part of who i am. humility and a the fear of the lord. i don't get that impression with him. >> trump's fellow candidates seem to be tiring of all the insults and are trying to give him a taste of his own medicine. >> i think it's pretty outrageous for him to be attacking anybody's appearance when it looks like he has a squirrel sitting on his head. asked for comment trump told us-only respond to people who register more than 1% of the polls. you never thought he had a chance and i have been proven right. >> ouch. we are going to hear from governor jindal when he joins us later in this program as well. joining us now from washington with reaction

mercedes slapp, a republican strategist and david goodfriend a former aid to president bill clinton. david, you guys on the left must be loving all this republican infighting. before you answer that it's also bringing out a lot of interest on the right. i'm not going to sit here and gloat there is a lot of uncertainty and changes on our side as well. what's going on on the republican side though is that donald trump has clearly emerged as a frontrunner and it's hard to see who is strong enough to take him down. what you see going on right now are attempts at that certainly. but every time he enters a full-on fight with another republican, his poll numbers go up. so what does that tell us? i think it tell its us that he is consolidating support and expanding his support among primary voters on the republican side. and, again, it's hard for me to picture someone on the republican side taking him down all the way to the point where he is no longer the frontrunner. >> by the way, mercedes, while this is going on, hillary clinton, who was the

clear frontrunner is now no longer the frontrunner on the democrat side. this the season of what was supposed. to be the summer of trump is now becoming the year of trump. it seems to be a lot of sniping. a lot of political cheap shots, low blows. it seems to be resonating as well. >> get the dirty laundry out now. this is what we need to do as a party. i think that what it does do is when you start hearing all these different candidates. you know this, eric. you are in touch with a lot of these folks out there in the country, they want to he know the character of the person. and so i think what you are seeing is with donald trump, there is this brash personality his simple rhetoric connecting with some of these voters angry and frustrated with what's going on in washington. what's happening with president obama. and then, again, he took it an extra step, i think with carlie where i think some of these folks who may be in between trump and ben carson are basically saying wait a second, are these insults becoming a little too much? let it happen now in the

primary. >> is it that or donald trump realized it really doesn't matter what he says as long as what he is saying is what any other politician doesn't have the guts or never think of saying. >> that's right. he is like your stream of conscious. >> it's opposite year in politics right now. do the exact opposite of what a normal politician would do and you do better. >> hey eric. i want to jump in here to say if you had asked donald trump a year or two ago would you be the front run arer by double digits at this point. i'm. >> he would have said yes. >> donald trump i would tell you if you would have asked me 30 years if he was going to be the frontrunner by doubling digits he would say hell yeah. >> the last time tried he was way out of the running and this time it's just different. this is a different year. >> david, and it's different, too, because it's for real. i mean, he brought out his financials. he built up a real team this time. he is in it to win it. guess what, we are all playing the donald trump monthly game and he is just moving the parts right now.

now, the question is will his comments, his insults keep going on and on, will that back fire and that's i think where we. >> here is what you have ting if you out. while donald trump continues to rise in the poll and ben carson continues to raise in the polls, jeb bush continues to lose ground. scott walker loses ground. these are establishment republican candidates who have done business, the same way for decades. literally decades, and now these new politicians types come along and they say hey, we are going to throw out business as usual. we have a new strategy. jeb bush and establishment should they stick by this or go after the trump. >> if i were in the jeb bush campaign, i would rip up all the scripts, all the talking points, all the messaging, this is about your gut and your emotion. this is what is working. can you see this with trump. you can see this ben carson who just had a press conference today. carlie fiorina. what are they doing? they're talking from their

gut. from the emotional part of saying how do i connect with the voter? in talking about issues as well. we could be all the policy wonk in the world. but, guess what? politics to a certain extent is changing. it's almost becoming like the entertainment industry. we need to figure out he besides it being entertaining that we have candidates, especially like today like 9/11 where we are dealing with incredibly tough issues. we need the president -- the presidential quality of a good manager, strong leadership, and a vision for this country. and that's the answer. >> stay on your sued for a second david for one minute. the hillary clinton campaign has relaunched for what, the third or fourth time the relaunch of the lee launch of the relaunch. they say she has to have more heart and humor. she has to be more real. maybe they are looking at the g.o.p. side saying, hey, look, all those people over there that are winning are really kind of real candidates. you need to be more like that. >> it's interesting, you know, we have a congressional committee set up with the explicit purpose of trying to take shots at hillary clinton. we don't have a democratic

run senate doing the same thing to any of the republican candidates. so it's a little bit of an apples and oranges this year. i will say. this those of us who have seen hillary clinton in action in a small setting, personal one-on-one around the table with a group of people, we see a warm, fun, loving, interesting, interested person. i do think that the campaign will do a better and better job of getting that real hillary into the minds and hearts of other people. >> the real hillary is scary. >> good luck with that. >> i got one quick thing. at this point in the election cycle, in prior cycles, we had michele bachmann leading the republican. >> big difference there. >> howard dean. >> who those people didn't have was the money. >> real hillary and fake hillary. the real hillary is scarier than the fake hillary. >> david and mercedes thank you very much. >> thank you. >> as the nation commemorates the 14th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, the world is confronting new chaos overseas. which presidential candidate is the most ready to deal

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in the impact segment tonight, chaos over seas now having major repercussions right here at home. and on the campaign trail. iran supreme leader once again calling america the great satan and predicting israel will no longer are exist in 25 years. despite this, senate democrats blocked g.o.p. efforts to stop obama's nuclear deal with iran. meantime, the president has announced that the united states will prepare to take in at least 10,000 syrian refugees over the next year as they continue to flee the civil war and isis. all this instability abroad raises new questions about who is ready to deal with these issues as the next commander and chief. with us now, from los angeles, rick grenell a former u.s. spokesman at the u.n. and in washington simon

rosenberg, a democratic strategist. so, rick, i'm going to start with you. before we get to who would be better on foreign policy, i have got to talk to you about this 10,000 refugees coming. do we know who these refugees are and how the heck are we going to vet them and make sure they are not isis fighters now or soon to be isis fighters. >> well, first of all, we don't know who those people are. we don't know any details about them we do have a responsibility to make sure from a humanitarian standpoint that the refugees that have been created by this syrian crisis are taken care of. we can do that without bringing them to the united states or bringing them anywhere else. we could have safe zones either in turkey or inside syria. we should be able to do that without immediately taking all of them and permanently placing them in the united states. our duty is to feed them and to give them temporary relief while we figure out their situation. our duty is not to immediately give them citizenship or work visa

inside the united states. >> simon, do you think it's a good idea to bring 10,000. look, it's predominantly young male muslims. we see he pictures of young boy down in the surf and young women and children when we have some sort of duty to do this. however, if you look at the videos, people coming off the boats, people coming off the trains are predominantly young male muslims. almost exclusively traditional way refugee system works go through screenings which is why we don't take too many refugees. weave have a lot of illegal but refugee powered way down because of part of concerns like what you are saying. you think of the millions of people refugees in syria. i think we can find 10,000. >> you do? >> and get them through the system over the next year. >> you talk about a vigorous screening process. i can maim two refugees who came over from chechnya and blew up the boston marathon.

no matter how rigorous you are you can flip people. go ahead, rick. >> let's talk about who is actually doing rigorous process. it's a first-term foreign service officer who is on the front lines and we have not given that young foreign service officer the tools that he or she needs to actually understand what they are doing. they are going to have a quick meeting, they are going to look at a data base. they are going to ask a couple of questions and then they have got to make a judgment of thousand rate this person coming in. >> okay. >> we are asking foreign service officers to be on the front line of an incredibly difficult situation. and they don't have enough information. >> let me stay with you. jeb bush on the republican side agrees with bringing refugees here. do you think that's a mistake? and answer the original question i was going to ask you is who would be best to deal with foreign policy crisis going on in the 2016 field? >> i think that we have to be able to -- and we as america can reach out and take some refugees. on a temporary basis. that doesn't mean you give them a work permit.

a refugee means you bring them to safety, and you figure out whether or not that they can go back to their situation. the whole idea is to get them back. when i look across the g.o.p. spectrum, i think we have got marco rubio, carlie foreign i can't, john kasich and jeb bush, those four with great gut instincts about world affairs. i like what they are saying. they need trump's tone. >> some of them are saying bring refugees here. i have a tough time with with that simon, to you. >> sure. >> we spend a lot of money on refugees. middle eastern refugees who have come here, i believe the number is 990% of them are on food stamps. somewhere around 60% of them are getting some sort of cash assistance. we are a broke country and we are spending a lot of money on refugees. >> well. can i answer the question which was about the who is best equipped? sure. >> so first of all i have said on the air here many times that i think the republican field is very deep.

it's a strong field. not deep on foreign policy. the democrats could have a former secretary of state who was first lady. we have got joe biden may get into the race. i want to say on the question of who is best equipped. you think on this one i'm going to tip my hat to the democrats and say that would are far more likely to produce a nominee with strong foreign policy experience. >> simon picked a democrat over the republican field. we will leave it right there, guys. thank you very much rick and simon. >> thank you. >> troubles continue to mount for hillary clinton's campaign. ed henry will with details. also ahead, bobby jindal and carly fiorina will be here to discuss their strategies to take on the frontrunner to take on the frontrunner donald trump.

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a new cnn poll shows clinton with just '37% support in the democratic primary. a 10 point drop from august with bernie sanders pretty much holding his own and nine candidate joe biden gaining ground. a state department reportedly opened up a criminal investigation into clinton campaign big wig huma abidine for alleged embezzlement but that went nowhere. jung us from washington ed henry who covers the campaign for fox news. they are not happy with ed. so, heady, what did you you ---eddy, what did you do this time. >> late this week, hillary clinton had a couple of events, one in ohio and one in wusk. at the first one i was there in columbus, right down the street by the way ohio state with tens of thousands of college students. evan to columbus many times with president obama as president and the candidate. he always gets thousands of people because you have got a lot of students excited about democratic candidates for president and hillary clinton only had a few hundred people in columbus

it was event women for hillary had. trying to show strength and yet this was a pretty sparse crowd. the room was about half full. you posted some pictures, you probably see on twitter. campaign wasn't happy. they started posting pictures of their own saying look, the room is more full on this side. then later in the day in wisconsin they said that the room was so packed that there was an overflow crowd and hillary clinton had to go greet the overflow. my point is it's interesting, regardless of the numbers that the clinton camp is so much on defense now that they are on social media saying our second event had a lot more people and hillary clinton races to the overflow room to say i'm so excited there is more people. she is the frontrunner. she should be getting a lot more people right now. look at the rallies bernie sanders has with thousands and thousands. >> packed stadiums. >> you are going to get in trouble. >> one time she told you are only entitled to one question. and one wipe ago server you mean with a cloth? >> with a cloth. >> you are not going to get much help. >> if candidates are happy with you you are probably

not doing your job. >> probably true. >> can we talk about uma abidine where it looks like state department attorney general recommended action against her for possible $10,000 worth of embezzlement overstawght some hours that she worked. what happened, ed? the dojj obviously you embezzlement very heavy charge suggesting that huma abidine stealing money. you spoke to legal team. error, mistake, misunderstanding, no cereal activity here bottom line on the story here you are right that the statute department inspector general suggested to the justice department, the fbi that there should be a criminal probe. in the end the justice department did not move forward. we should be very clear to report. now, do they not move forward because they didn't have enough evidence? did they not move forward for some other reason? we simply you don't know right now. huma abidine very close to hillary clinton, when she was at the state department, now on the campaign as well. always on her side on the road. she sunday fire, not just here but on the email situation. her named popped up on a the

will these emails that allegedly had classified information. the very bottom line is hillary clinton said in march at that news conference at the united nations there was no classified information that server. that has proven to not be true. now whether it was marked or not or what the intent was, all of that is going to be fleshed out in this fbi investigation. interesting -- we are seeing her poll numbers drop right now. >> we know about her email scandals worried about what she was doing with the clinton foundation and now her top aide always seen next to her may be hanging -- i don't know, involved in some sort of embezzlement scandal that was pushed or shoved under the rug, i don't know. it doesn't look good but it looks like you are going to have a lot to talk about going forward. >> big picture she has dropped 10 points, for example, in one month. >> which is huge. that's big. >> i have got to go. >> thank you very much. >> plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. new polls showing trump continues to surge and hillary losing in iowa of all places. we'll have analysis. also, bobby jindal and carly fiorina. bring their battle for the

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live from america's news headquarters, i'm patricia stark. former texas governor rick perry dropping out of the 2016 race for president. the republican is the first major candidate to end their bid for the white house his campaign has been videotaped for cash and stuck polling at near zero.

the republican-led house voting friday to reject a controversial deal on iran. but the symbolic vote isn't enough to stop president obama from implementing the agreement. republicans vow to keep fighting the deal which they say will allow iran to eventually possess a nuclear weapon. police say they have a person of interest in connection with a string of freeway shootings in phoenix, arizona. police questioning him friday and say he has been booked on an unrelated charge. 11 cars have been shot since august 29th. no one has been seriously hurt. i'm patricia stark. now back to "the o'reilly factor." in the unresolved problem segment tonight, the negative headlines seem to be pulling down hillary clinton's poll numbers in iowa. a new quinnipiac poll shows hillary trailing bernie sanders 41 to 40 in the hawkeye state, a big change since july. meantime, donald trump

continues to maintain his frontrunner status in iowa with a q poll showing trump in first place with 27%, ben carson at 21%, ted cruz at 9%. jeb bush at 6%. and carly fiorina, marco rubio and john kasich each with 5%. joining me now with analysis is caitlin huey burns of real clear politics and from charlottesville, university of virginia politics professor larry sabato. so, professor, the headline for you from these polls is what? >> hillary dropping like stone. trump maintaining altitude. and, look, both are very significant because, remember, hillary's biggest problem may not be on the plate yet, which could be joe biden's entry. there are a lot of people betting he won't enter but no knows. every day is different and who knows how wakes up on the day he makes that decision. if he gets in suddenly

establishment democrats have a real alternative and he has been getting great press. >> what if he doesn't, larry. what if he says no i am not going it run. he was with colbert last night and hinted he might not have it in him to run. if doesn't, does that support go back to hillary? it seems to have taken from hillary. >> i think it stays up in the air. i don't think a lot of those people are going to go to bernie sanders. and i don't see any of the other contenders on the democratic side picking up much steam. i will tell you what could happen, eric. if hillary clinton ends up being indicted or she gets taken out of the race for one reason or another, you're going to have somebody nau new come in. it could still be biden, even if he said no originally or they could recruit somebody else. >> i think i said al gore here a couple of months ago and people laughed at me. becoming more of a possible reality. >> is he losing weight? that's the key. >> that's what i said he was in the gym. he was losing a lot of weight. good point. caitlin, donald trump, everyone says he says these things and it hurts him in these groups. certainly hasn't hurt him in

the latinos, i believe he is still winning in latinos. how is he doing with women? >> he is actually doing well with women. he we will see new polling come out probably soon. that includes the remarks that he made to carly fiorina. but after the fox news debate, he continued to do well with women and his numbers have actually improved. so what's interesting to see is that we try to predict where he will go and where his support will go if it falls at all. and it hasn't really. meanwhile, you have two candidates kind of waiting in the wings. you have ben carson who has been in donald trump's rear view all summer, really creeping up to the top. and also you have ted cruz who is hoping to inherit a lot of the support in iowa. that radio mains to be seen. >> how important is iowa? everyone says -- everyone wants to win iowa because you want to be on the map. you want to be on tv. but is it -- if you don't win iowa you can't win? >> there are some candidates to cycle and there are are some opportunities for different candidates. and the threshold to make it

through iowa and new hampshire is very different this cycle because there are so many candidates. but it is a really important test of campaign infrastructure organization and all of those important items. >> how does jeb bush get out of the cellar? he has literally lost so much support. donald trump keeps calling him low energy. he is living up to donald trump's name-calling. how does he get out of that? >> he will have to use his money. he has got more money than anybody. assuming trump doesn't really dip deep into his fortune. and he is also going to have to rely on bush world, which is this enormous network of republicans in every state, they have been around since the elder bush's career. but even then, it's going to be tough, eric. he has fallen far. many, many people say they will not vote for him, under any conditions. and only scott walker seems to have collapsed more than jeb bush has. >> all right. we're going to have to leave it right there. caitlin and larry, thank you very much. straight ahead, g.o.p.

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factor, election 2016. louisiana governor bobby jindal seems to be testing out a new strategy to get noticed in the pack of 17 republican presidential contenders. he is punching up. >> donald trump is shallow. has no understanding of policy. he is full of bluster. he has no substance. folks, donald trump is not a serious person. this is a carnival act. and seeing that donald trump said that the bible was his favorite book. yet, when asked couldn't even name a specific or a single bible verse that was important to him that had an impact on him. well, do you know why? well, it's clear donald trump has never read the bible. the reason we know he has never read the bible, he is not in the biewble. donald trump is a narcissist, and he is an ego maniac. >> governor jindal joins us now from washington, d.c. so, governor, this going after trump, new strategy. what is it all about? >> eric, thank you for having me. look, the idea of america is slipping away from us. $18 trillion of debt. planned parenthood selling baby parts across the

country, our president who is about to allow iran to become a nuclear power even while he doesn't stand by israel. the left is running the country into the ground. we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to get our country back. to apply conservative principles. >> but let's stay on topic here. okay, you clearly are going after donald trump. is this to help pull your poll numbers up? you are struggling in the polls right now. >> not at all. it's not about me. we as conservative haves have a choice to make. do we apply conservative principles or turn to a man no believes in nothing but himself is. is he not a liberal, not a conservative, he is not a democrat, is he is not a republican, he is not a moderate. he has no subis stance. he doesn't want to make america great again he wants to make donald trump great. i love the idea of donald trump great. i love this show. you love the politically uncorrect language. i you love going after the d.c. establishment. i love the outsider. i think he is entertaining. i love the helicopter rides at the state fair gufing out lindsey graham's cell fen number it was all great fun. when you actually look at the reality of donald trump there is a lot of

foolishness and nonsense there. >> and you have said donald trump needs to stay classy but then you have also said things like he looks like he has a squirrel sitting on his head. >> he will with that's right. i was asked about his attack on carly fiorina for going after her appearance. i says has no room of criticizing anybody's appearances given how his hour looks. here is the bigger point. is he not against big government. he is he just against big government that he doesn't control. he has been for socialized medicine and tax increases. he constantly changes. he would um employed in a general election. if he were to get elected we have no idea what he would do in office, eric. the reality is he doesn't believe in anything but donald trump. would need to elect a tested, true conservative. now is the time to shrink the government economy. now is the time to defund planned parenthood. now is the time to stand by israel. now is the time to grow the american economy. we have a chance to apply our conservative principles. it's been fun. time it put him in the elevator and tell him he is fired go downstairs and give him a reality show.

is he great fun, great ratings. very entertaining. his diagnosis of the problem is right but the prescription is wrong. >> i know for a fact he listens to this program. he listens when i host this program. he yells at me. here is how he tweeted in response to your latest round of voluntarilies pack at hum. o wow light weight governor bobby jindal registered at less than 1% of the poll just mocked my hair so original. final thought, governor? >> eric, so i give him a speech and call him a narcissist and ego maniac and no substance. his take away he is worried about his hair. he proves my point. narcissistic clown. america must do better. let's rescue the idea of america before it's too late. >> thank you so much. governor jindal isn't the only candidate who got into it with trump this week. carly fiorina was on the receiving end when the donald told rolling stone magazine, quote: look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that? the face of our next president trump defended his comentdz saying he wasn't talking about her looks.

>> she mentioned something about me. she knocks me. and when somebody knocks me like jeb bush or number else. i at least decide that i think it's appropriate to fight back. but we're talking only about her persona. but, some commends are made as an entertainer. and as everybody said. as an enter towner much different ballgame. >> joining us now on the phone from arizona, carly fiorina, now carlie, do you accept mr. trump's explanation specifically that he wasn't talking about your face when he said face, he was talking about your pore zona? >> no. but i do accept his comments that he was speaking as an entertainer. you know whufs in 3rd grade, eric, there was a little boy that really liked me. and said mean thing about me and you know pulled my pigtails all the time. my husband and i have been together for over 30 years. you think i know when someone is flirting with me. >> all right. you think we are breaking some news here. donald is flirting with you threw the "rolling stone" magazine. let's talk a little bit about the upcoming do bait.

cnn announced this week that you will be one of the candidates in their presume time debate along with trump. that's going to be your approach dealing with him on that stage? >> oh, you know, there are many fine candidates on that stage. my first objective, honestly, is to introduce myself to the american people. you know, half that audience doesn't know my name and doesn't know i'm running for president. and so i know it seems hard to believe, particularly maybe if you are a celebrity like donald trump, everybody knows who you are. but i still have the lowest name i.d. in the field by a wide margin. and so i need to introduce myself. people who may not know me. >> will you use this back and forth that you have got with trump. basically you have a lot of buzz going right now. will you use that and step it up in the debate? >> >> you know, my principle objective is to milwaukee sure that people know who i am. and what i have done. i have a track record of leadership, of problem

solving, of challenging the status quo. i'm not an entertainer. i'm someone who started as a secretary. became a chief executive and the only way you do that is to go from secretary to ceo is to deliver results, to solve problems, and to lead. and so people need to do that i'm sure there will be opportunities for me to respond to donald trump or to others. and i won't shy away from those opportunities. but fundamentally, i'm running for president because i think our nation needs the kind of leadership i will bring to the oval office. no doubt but i will it will you though the other nine candidates on that stage that aren't donald trump would love to be in your shoes. there is a lot of buzz about you and donald trump's feud. if nothing else it brings the attention governor jindal did it and he is on the factor and obviously it works. >> y. well, it's also true, awrk, that this isn't entertainment. this is serious. this is serious. our nation is at a pivotal point. americans know it in their

bones. it's very entertaining for us all to talk with donald trump. by the way, the media seems to talk about nothing else but donald trump in many cases but voters never ask me about him. never. what voters ask me about is how do we get the economy growing? why is america's leadership waning in the world? how do we cut this government down to size. voters know this is a pivotal point. most voters are tuning in because they actually want to know what candidates are going to do. >> does it surprise you that he is doing as well as is with the women voters? >> i have about 15 seconds. >> no, not necessarily. i think if you look at all of the outside ares, together, the outsiders are polling over 60% of support. i will tell you something else, there is one outsider moving up in the polls and gaining on donald trump and i am one of them. >> carlie, thank you. and now we want to remind you that this is a great time to become a bill o'reilly.com premium member. when you sign up, you get

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in the personal story segment tonight joe biden's struggle, ever since the death of his son bo in may, the wrestling with his emotions as he decides whether he wants to run for president. >> i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be be president and, two, they can look at the folks out there and say i promise you, you

have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy, and my passion to do this. and i would be lying if i said that you knew i was there. i met a whole group of military families. i was thanking them and i really meant it and it's going great. and a guy in the back yells: major beau biden bronze star, sir. served with him in iraq. all of a sudden i lost it. how could you -- i mean, that's not -- i shouldn't be saying this, but that -- you can't do that. >> joining us now from washington, robert costa political reporter for the "the washington post" and with me here in new york jeanne. i political science professor. start with you, robert. have you ever seen a candidate so open about ever se so open about his grief and his

decision-making processes as to whether he wants to run for president? >> it was a powerful moment, a moment loaded with emotion. you can see the vice president struggling publicly with this decision. trying to make a political calculation to see if there a lane in this democratic primary for him, and also speaking about his family. >> he literally said i have to figure out if i have the heart to do this. and then he opened his heart. if you watch enough politics and tv, hillary clinton has not exactly opened up her heart too much. >> no, she has not, despite the fact they said they were going to show her with more humor. i thought it was a very, very powerful interview on the part of both colbert and the vice president. and i have to say if you compare his performance on colbert and hers on ellen, and you look at trustworthiness, you see he will

have the upper hand. i do think more so than i thought before last night that there probably is a path forward forred vice president if he and his family decide he can make this race. if he can put himself out there. >> she makes a good point. if he does get in there will it bring hillary clinton down? >> it brings a question, because there is such good will for the vice president. such respect and empathy for him and his family. but in politics, empathy and respect, they don't always translate into a political base. and so biden sees the senator, secretary clinton getting the donors in the establishment there in line with her. where does he fit? even though all of this outpouring of affection is there for him, whether that translates to political support, he knows it an open question. >> and the donors on the left

are very nervous about her sliding poll numbers. maybe they're looking for somebody else to get in. >> right they should be nervous. her poll numbers are going in the wrong direction. although she is still very popular and has favorable views among democrats. her poll numbers in iowa are problematic. if she implodes, what are they left with? they're not going to be able to run a bernie sanders. >> is it an uphill battle of president obama jumps on board, too? clearly there is a rift between the obamas and the clintons. we've known it, it's obvious. everybody talks bit. but if biden gets in and all of a sudden the grass roots organization that put barack obama in the white house turns over to joe biden and says, here you go. wow, it's very powerful. >> and what would also be powerful if he up the race and biden, imagine him

coming out with a biden and warren team, that could be very powerful. i do think there is an uphill battle. >> how about it? does president obama have it in him to say here is the grass roots organization that he has developed? >> president obama is the person to watch. because whether he endorses anyone or not it's about his body language, about what he says, is he leading toward clinton or biden? he clearly encouraged the vice president to make his decision. they're very close. but when it comes to who will be the post-obama successor, who really inherits the base. it seems like he doesn't want to wade into that territory. >> we're going to have to leave it right there, robert and jeanne, thank you so much. up next, donald trump and

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in the back of the book segment tonight, the all-important evangelical vote. new polling by cnn shows that donald trump is in the lead with that voting block, ahead of candidates who would seem to have more obvious appeal, such as former evangelical pastor, mike huckabee, or ted cruz, the son of a pastor. so what is it about the donald that makes him so popular among the voters? joining us, pastor, what is going on? donald trump leading among evangelicals, that is a surprise. >> that is right. i want to be clear. i am not endorsing donald trump but i am explaining why he is so popular among evangelicals. you know, frank bruney at the times explains his appeal of either they're ignorant who donald trump is, or their

hypocrisy for who he is. i explain it as barack obama. there is a feeling among many of these evangelical that this nation has been in a downward spiral for the last several years and they're willing to think outside the box for the leader they want to choose. but there is something deeper going on here. you know the same-sex marriage decision was a watershed for evangelicals. it was a gut punch, if you will, causing many evangelicals to think they lost the culture war at least at the government level. they can fight it in her home and churches, but they're thinking, let's let government solve practical problems and let the church take responsibility for spiritual problems. let me just say -- >> go ahead. >> just one thing, the problem with that kind of separation, if you will, is that many of our nations ills, eric, have a spiritual component to them whether you talk about drug abuse, out of wedlock births,

lawlessness, selling body parts by planned parenthood. there is a spiritual component that the president has to at least acknowledge during this stage. >> i agree with you, if they're focusing on leadership or economic might versus spirituality or the culture war -- >> i think that is exactly why you're seeing such a large group gravitate towards trump. they believe he has the leadership to do that and they're willing to delegate the responsibility for spiritual renewal that our nation needs for -- >> this is a speech change -- we have been doing this for a long time. there is always that push to make sure as you point out that some of the root causes of evil in america have to be addressed at the cultural level by our politicians. >> that is right. and we have a president right now who is not willing to acknowledge and address that spiritual component of our nation's ills. now, i think we have to be

honest here, eric. also that mathematics plays a role here as well. never in history have we had so many candidates vying for the vote. and when some of these candidates inevitably drop out the question is will they stand behind the other evangelical candidates or will they move behind donald trump, only god knows what will happen there. >> if you're right, they would coalesce around the one who is winning, the donald trump, if mike huckabee let's say, leads the race or ted cruz leads the race. they have to pick one. >> well, they do, i wouldn't bet against donald trump. people have gone broke doing that. but i do believe that evangelicals will wake up at some point and say we want a competent leader, yes, but we want somebody who has a spiritual connection. >> pastor jefferson, thank you so much for that. and that is it for us.

thank you for watching the factor edition. and right here, sa on this 9/11 fair balanced and unafraid. >> this is a fox news alert. governor rick perry is out, just moments ago, the former texas governor announcing he is suspending his campaign. hey, he is dropping out of the 2016 race for the white house. this marking the end of his second white house bid. perry's campaign has been struggling after running out of money, campaign staffers stopped getting paid. longest serving governor in texas' history was stuck polling near zero. very different story tonight for dr. ben carson from political outsider to top tier candidate. retired neurosurgeon dr. ben carson continuing his upward surge in the polls. take a look at this one. a brand new quinnipiac university poll putting dr. ben carson in second place with