thanks for watching us tonight. miss megyn is up next. i am bill ly. please remember the spin stops right here. definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight with less than 48 hours to go before the next big republican presidential candidate debate showdown. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. new polling among registered republican voters show two candidates with support, donald trump at 33% and ben carson at 25%.

governor scott walker saying, quote, i think we're going to step it up and be more aggressive this time. senator rand paul saying i am not going to quietly sit by and let the disaster that is donald trump become the nominee. >> stay tuned on november 16th. we may be changing tactics. >> it's important to draw a contrast between myself and donald trump i will or ben carson or anyone else, i will. we begin with a fox news contributor and former chief speech writer for george w. bush along with howard kurtz, host of fox's "media buzz." the stakes for this debate, mark, are now very high as the

candidates who remain below those two seem to see this as a big opportunity. >> it's a big opportunity and a big challenge for them. as you pointed out, ben carson and donald trump together have 53% of the vote. jeb bush has dropped down below 10% and all the candidates combined, if you look at those pictures at the screen of everybody but ben carson and donald trump, they're all at 41% together. this is a field where all the outsiders are doing well and the politicians are in single digits. >> but there is risk to these candidates, mark, in attacking donald trump because he'll say just about anything in response. >> he will, absolutely. and we can see that in the ugly attack he just had on carly fiorina, who has handled that with incredible class. i think she's poised to have a real breakout performance and she's a threat to donald trump because she's an outsider like

donald trump and ben carson is. she did very well in the undercard debate and she took on donald trump in that debate but he wasn't on the stage to respond. this time he's on the stage, we can see a back-and-forth. she's smart. he's going to have a hard time keeping up with her. >> ben carson is a surgeon but she cuts with a surgeon's precision. governor scott walk ser coer is up in a minute and he spoke to a crowd of 110 people. however, you look at the screen, fox news had it, cnn had it, fox business had it, msnbc had it, wall to wall. we broke away for o'reilly but wall-to-wall coverage. it's a huge advantage for him. >> i can't defend it

journalistically. even trump now jokes that every speech he gives is carried live. and in this environment where it's all trump all the time, many of them are in a position of almost having to attack trump just to get a little ink or air time. but there's a danger here. if creating a moment as we all talk about in the pregame chatter, if it feels false or artificial or staged, there cab backlash. you can't just go out and attack donald trump, you have to wait for a natural moment for a jab. >> when you look at the poll, you can see such a difference on how the core of the base feels about donald trump and the general ectorate. the core of the gop base is loving the man and when you take it to the general election, it's a very different story. >> it is a very different story. his numbers on honest and trustworthy are worse than

hillary clinton's. interesting thing in that abc news alsoound he's effectively tied with hillary clinton in a one-on-one matchup. she has 46%, he has 43%. the issue is usually in an election when a candidate like this is surging, when howard dean was surging in 2004, eventually people say is this person electable, can we win? >> we're going to get to this in our next segment with howie walker. on the subject of electability, this is what we were asking the candidates about in the first round of questioning in the last debate. the reason yours truly asked donald trump about comments about women, he's likely to face a female nominee across the aisle and hillary clinton is already saying she would love to debate donald trump. at what point do you think, if at all that weighs in with the republican primary voters?

so far they like the rhetoric and it's not a deal breaker for them. >> it will be interesting to see how carly fiorina does and how trump handles a jab from a woman the focus on the cnn debate is going to be trump versus whoever. as long as the whoever is carly, jeb or ben -- >> these other candidates are promising to get more air time. you heard what rand paul sad in particular. >> i'm not sure if i agree with howie. if you look at the person who surged out of the last debate, it was ben carson and he didn't take a jab at anybody.

he took a swipe about donald trump the other day and he probably went home and prayed about it and apologized for it. these candidates have to be themselves. they have to make the case. jeb bush has to say here's my case for why i'm going to be president, here's how i'm going to shake up washington. they have to be themselves and present an alternative vision that's appealing the way ben carson did or they'll look desperate. >> trump continued to insult carson saying he's worse than jeb, he's like ambien for insomnia.

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breaking tonight, carly fiorina trying to turn the tables on trump. just last week trump attacked carly's looks in a "rolling stone" article saying "look at that face? can you imagine that as the face of our next president?" >> ladies, look at this face and look at all of your faces, the

face of leadership, the face of leadership in our party, the party of women's suffrage. this is the face of a 61-year-old woman i am proud of every year and every wrinkle. >> governor scott walker. he came to fiorina's defense last week and will be on that debate stage last wednesday. governor, good to see you tonight. you came out with a tweet, you've done it before, and said trump's personal attacks against carly fiorina are plain inappropriate and wrong and it's time for these shameless attacks to end. yet they don't end and the american public, at least a good portion of them are embracing donald trump in a big way. why? >> well, i think there's a sense of frustration with washington and so they're looking for

outside voices but in the end i think people don't want this out of the next president. they want with someone who is going to stand up with real solutions and somebody who has actually been tested. that's the case i'm going to make every day and that is if you want someone who has been tested, i've been tested unlike anybody else on that stage, if you want to wreak havoc on washington, we've got real solutions to do that. i just believe in the american people. they want someone who is for something, not just against something and not just about personal attacks. i'm about moving this country forward. >> why did you feel the need to speak out. >> that's why i want to talk about labor reform. >> why did you feel the need to speak out? >> i think people are sick and tired of it. stand up for whatever issues you want. that was part of the initial appeal, not just for him but a couple of the other outsiders.

maybe they're saying things that people here in bars and restaurants across america. but the more they listen to it they say this is not the country that i grew up in. people have different opinions but you don't have to trash talk people to do it. can you stand up and lead. >> today you got up and made a bold proposal when it comes to labor, basically promising to do at the federal level to do what you've done at the state level. of course the afl-cio came out and said his campaign is floundering so he does what he does when he can't think of real solutions, he attacks workers. your thoughts. >> what i attacked was the big government union bosses. of course they're scared of this. why? because every time they tried to intimidate us, we didn't back down. they sent in over 100

protesters, they tried to rico me and our top senators, we didn't back down. what they don't like about this is not just our ideas. they know that i won't back down and i'll actually deliver on this. what they feel the big government union bosses, they feel they're threatened because i'll go after them and any politician they have in their pocket. >> let talk about the poll numbers. they have fallen in your case. the latest quinnipiac poll, it fell 15%. you were 11% on a national basis early on, now you're at 4%. is it time for a change in strategy? >> for us in the 2011 late spring, my numbers were so low, they called me dead man walker.

we talk to what worked. we talked about common sense conservative reforms and showed th worked. i believe if americans want someone who can fight and win, do it without results and without compromising. yeah, he's other guys are interesting right now but in the end people are going to come back to proven results. we can do it in wisconsin, we can do it in washington. >> need a quick answer because we're almost out of time. what's your debate strategy for wednesday quickly? >> be aggressive. show passion, show the kind of energy that got to us that recall victory in wisconsin. if we can do that, we can win in washington. >> governor, it's great to see you. >> thank you, megyn. >> well, the miss america pageant went political when one contestant attacked donald trump last night and praised governor chris christie. governor christie joined us next because we told him we were

going to talk about that. and also dr. phil is here about the latest of an olympian turned escort. >> people are not dumb. they remember that and it doesn't happen. they are sick to death of it. so they say, look, stop a car, go out on a highway and stop a go out on a highway and stop a car

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. this is the thing that captures people. it's not what he says but how he says it. he's spent his life developing this persona that is now who he is. >> you're talking about how he is a positive thinker. you see that. that is to his credit. no? >> it is. it's power of positive thinking. and there were some deficiencies

when it came to theology, he promoted claim what is yours and go for it. donald does that. >> your other conclusion is that he likes to play the victim. >> he keeps everything in personal terms. so if you contest something with him, if you ask a him a tough question, if you want something he wants, he takes it personally. he told me, i fight back ten times harder than someone who attacks me. it is positive as far as he is concerned but negative as far as anyone else is concerned. >> finally, you said don't be fooled. donald trump does have a big heart and you talk about the help he's given to others. >> he's a kind man and very

gracious to me. you have to like him. he's extremely charming. the american people have to decide if he's the president for them, though. >> last night, miss alabama took a shot at the republican front runner, watch. >> i think donald trump is an entertainer and i think the republican party should be terrified of all of the attention he is taking from the candidates like jeb bush and chris christie who is absolutely going to do the job. >> joining me now, chris christie, now just offered her an invitation to move to new jersey. >> sweet home, alabama. just saying. >> does she raise a good point? the attention he is taking is terrifying? >> the fact is that we have to

do the job to make sure people -- >> you need to be more exciting and they'd cover you more. >> right now we need to make sure we give people what we want to do for the country and how frustrated we are, too. it will come around. >> you want to talk about wall to wall coverage for the presidential coverage, referring to msnbc. >> absolutely. >> let's talk about, i asked scott walker about the polls, your polls not that great either. abc news polls put you at 1%. you were at 3% in july. new hampshire polls put you down at 2%. trump, 28%. why do voters think you can still make it? >> it's september. the election is not held tomorrow and we have campaigns for a reason. so people can evaluate you. the fact is that i don't worry about that stuff. >> how do you overcome that deficit? >> well, ben carson four weeks

ago was in individual and now, he's in the 20s. how did that happen? >> the debate. >> so we have another one wednesday night, another october, another november. >> right. >> the point is that there is lots of opportunities and i can tell you from campaigning in new hampshire and iowa, those folks are not quick to makeup their minds. >> really? >> yes. >> why are the numbers so high with carson? >> they ask people if they've definitely made up their minds. and it is 75% of the electorates get off the grass, that is pretty good. >> what is your debate strategy this time? >> be myself. i think if you try too hard, people see that. they want someone strong. and that is exactly what i'll

show people wednesday night. >> some g.o.p. candidates got hit in the press after the debate because donald trump said things many found offensive. they said why didn't the other g.o.p. candidates say do you know what? that is not appropriate. would you do that? do you think that is fair to put the burden on the other candidates to call out a candidate on stage for an answer that is inappropriate? >> life isn't fair. okay. here it is what it is. if i feel like it's something i want to say, i never hesitate. we're running for president of the united states. and to argue for the country's future not to have a food fight. the jeb bush, donald trump food fight, nobody cares. >> about the food fight? >> do you think anyone is going

to sit around the kitchen table tonight? they're worrying about how to pay for their kid's college. >> they want them to fight back. >> they want someone who will do something for the country. not if donald said nice things about hillary clinton or not. >> why will we put on something with jeb bush talking about the economy? or scott walker, talking about labor unions? why doesn't anyone watch that? >> they may not like what they're hearing from those candidates. >> we have to put on more chris christie. >> that is exactly right. your ratings will go through the roof. skyrocketing. ratings, megyn. big, big, very big. >> thank you, sir. great to see you. >> good to be here, thank you very much. >> one of the most-controversial women in the country is back at it today.

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this is a fox news alert. the suspect in the shooting of the university professor is dead. the president of the university says the lock down is over. police urged caution approaching the suspect and said they had spoken to him on the phone and during that call, police say the suspect, shannon lamb, the instructor said he was not going to jail, earlier monday, police identified lamb as a suspect in the shooting deaths of a woman he was living with, and a teacher he worked with at delta university in cleveland, mississippi. the two shootings happening some 300 miles from each other. the university also posting on

its website that the apprehension has taken place and police are reporting he is dead. joining us on the phone now is sarah kramer. a reporter at the delta democrat times. what can you tell us about this incident that caused such an uproar on campus? >> i'm not sure of the details as of late. i do know that shannon lamb is from a local high school here. and throughout the day, he sent updates he was probably returned. i spoke to the police department, the chief of police at about 7:00 or 8:00. he doesn't say anything about it. the last thing i heard is that lamb actually shoot himself in

greenville during a traffic stop. that is all i know. i know that he fought previously at our school district. >> what can you tell us about the atmosphere and mood on campus? it's very palpable right now. a lot of people were heart broken and shocked that anything like this would happen there in cleveland. >> oh, yes. >> that everyone is in shock, very sad. and mourning both professors. you know, everyone was very upset. i went to church with him and in greenville, everyone was the same reaction, you know, shocked that he would do something like

this. you know? no one had any words. no one wants to talk about it because they didn't know what to say. >> sarah, while you're standing by i want to let people know we're getting information from university police confirming that he shot himself. we're understanding now from the university police there that he shot himself while being chased by police. so that is a situation as more information is becoming revealed to us. for those of you just tuning in and viewing we're talking to sarah kramer of the delta democrat-times on the scene there in cleveland. earlier a professor was shot and police began looking for a suspect in that case who was another professor at mississippi delta. we're talking to sarah about the fact that mississippi delta is a small college in a small community. you never suspect anything like this to happen.

and explaining how difficult it has been for the people this. we understand according to the university website that the campus offices will open 10:00 a.m. on tuesday and classes remain cancelled. however, counselling services will be made available. quite a few people, one can expect, would be coming to campus to get counselling. >> yes. >> have you spoken to anyone? >> i have spoken to a few people. we're about 30 or 40 minutes from cleveland. i do have friends who are students on that campus. one of them attended a church vigil tonight for ethan schmidt. no one talked about shannon lamb other than being shocked he was the suspect in this shooting. >> you talk about the fact that there was a church service for

professor ethan schmidt. what about the woman, 300 miles away that shannon lamb apparently lived with. have you heard anything at all? >> not much. you know, like i said people are very tight lipped about this whole incident. this morning everyone wanted to talk about the history professor, how great he was. then, the story began to unravel, people shied away and didn't want to talk about it. they said we'll wait to comment until the story has broken so we know details. that is where i am right now. >> it is understandable and we don't want to speculate what happened or the motive of what caused this man t his live in girlfriend and then drive 300 miles to the campus of mississippi delta and open fire on a professor there, killing

him. and of course, the result is that we're now getting information from the university police that he has killed himself. the campus is no longer on lock down since the active shooter situation is now over. we're continuing to follow this story and will bring you updates as we get more developments expressed to us from the police there in the area. as sarah kramer of the delta democrat-times has reported to us, the community, as one can expect, is shocked by this. no one ever anticipated this. what kind of community would you describe this area to be? >> you know, very close-knit. everyone knows everyone. you know? very southern. >> sarah kramer of the delta democrat-times, everyone knows everyone. which is why they're so distraught. i'm kelly wright reporting about

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mcgraw, a psychologist and host of "dr. phil," number one syndicated program. great to see you, sir. >> great to see you. >> what do you think is behind that, the anger and the extent to which the public ised f up with washington? >> that's just it, i think they're fed up with it. if you were to go back and look at all the campaign promises, all the change that's going to come out and it doesn't happen, they are sick to death of it. so they say, look, stop a car, go out on a highway and stop a car and put that son bitch in charge and you'd have a better shot. miss america, they got 50 choices. we get two? come on. just go pick somebody and let's get somebody that doesn't have a bunch of ious when they take the

job because everybody sells their souls when they take the job. >> do you think that's what's behind trump, he keeps saying he has a lot money, he not beholden to everybody. >> there's a lot of things being said that some people want to vent about. not all people. but there's a lot of adjectives and not many verbs, a lot of adjectives, but listen to the verbs. what are you going to do? that's what i'm listening for is some verbs. >> obviously donald trump and his non-inside-the-beltway messaging has appealed to a lot of people. other people have described him as a bully. what is your voice, trump or not trump, what is your advice for those out there who feel bullied? >> you got to take their power

away. when you poke somebody with a stick and they jump, then the bully likes to poke with the stick. when they stop jumping, they stop poking. they're looking for a reaction. i think the worst thing you can do it take the bait. the best thing can you do is flip it on them. >> let's talk about a well-known athlete by the name of susie favor hamilton, who was the star runner. she never won the olympics but she won all sorts of other competitions. unbeknownst it the world, she became a married another and call girl, all at the same time, and incredibly with her husband's knowledge and approval. she's going on the dr. phil show on tuesday. and she tells her entire story to him. let's set it up with a clip because as he always does, he asked the most relevant question

when i was how? how? watch. >> the biggest question on everybody's mind as they watch this interview, as they read the book is how could a mother, a wife, a world class athlete, an olympian end up advertising herself as a high classical girl on the internet hooking up with men in vegas, l.a., chicago. how did that happen sp. >> it started on our 20th wedding anniversary and we wanted to do something fun, crazy. so we decided to jump out of an airplane in vegas and then we decided probably, more me, that we wanted to make this fantasy that people talk about come true. and so we arranged a threesome. we had the threesome. afterwards i was amazed how fantastic this experience was and i kept telling mark, don't you feel different? so i had like this life changing moment after that threesome.

>> how does having a threesome get on your bucket list? why that instead of going on an african safari, exploring caves? >> i've always been a very sexual person. my husband and i always explored different things, we were part of the mile high club. that was always who i was. we just thought let's spice it it up. believe it or not, a lot of people have threesomes. when i got into escorting, i saw that. >> you knew at that moment that wasn't a one-time deal for you. >> i knew i was going to come back to saying gas avegas and h. >> good times. >> there's more to the story. she's a mother living in wisconsin, two kids. she's given promotional speeches for disney. >> wow. >> i mean, disney.

and she's doing this a lot. so mother, wife, suburbs. you know, she's living the dream, right? and so she decides she's going to go off and do this. her husband says, okay. >> what does that say about him? >> he's part of the show. >> whose behavior is more bizarre. >> i said forget dr. phil, just husband to husband, you got to tell me, under what theory does this make sense? is there any other way to put it? >> pretty soon it was a twosome, susie favor hamilton and some other unknown dude and he was cut out it have >> unbelievable. so that airs on his show tomorrow. dr. phil is known for his incredible interviews with fascinating people. up next, i get a chance to turn the tables a bit and ask the good doctor about himself before he shares some advice for anyone looking for a little light at the end of the tunnel.

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dr. phil's interviewed countless americans about some of their darkest troubles. today i got the chance to ask him how that job affects him. and he offered some advice for anyone who may be feeling a little hopeless right now. some days you go to the darkest corners of the country and the darkest stories there are. does it still affect you? does it depress you ever? >> it doesn't bother me at all. you know, it does -- you get sometimes you got to learn to compartmentalize it. you either look at it like you deal with problems all day or you deal with solutions all day. that's not just semantics. this show we did yesterday with this woman that had her baby cut from her stomach at seven months

by a woman she met on craigslist, that was really a story of victory and survival and triumph. and i looked at that young woman and i thought, wow. what guts. i mean, to hang in and fight for her life and get to that phone and get help and then start piecing her psyche back together to the point that she can live a life and put one foot in front of the other and dig her way out of this. the human spirit is inspirational. >> here is the last question, and this is one of the reasons why i ask that. i think a lot of people look at the news today and they feel depressed. you know, they're mired in it in a different way. maybe it's not one woman's story, but it's unemployment and it's isis and it's just more and more bad news and politicians sniping at each other and so on. and what advice do you have for

those people who feel down about it, who feel hopeless about the future of the country and the current state of it? >> you can get overwhelmed by what you expose yourself to. you got to be careful what you spend your time focusing on. if you spend your time focusing on messages of dread and doom, you're going to walk away feeling dread and doom. but let me tell you something, i've been walking around new york today. it's a beautiful day out there. it's a chamber of commerce day. i'm walking down the streets and police officers are yelling and waving. we're taking pictures and joking and laughing. i hear all these messages about how horrible law enforcement is in america. these are brave men and women that stand in the gap between us and harm's way. and i celebrate those people every day. we should celebrate them every day. you just got to think about balancing your life. i think that's important. there's a lot of good going on. look at my two grandchildren. and i think if this is the future of our country, i feel good about it.

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