join us as we celebrate eddie's retirement, and start planning your own. online poll results quickly. there you are. 93 percent. ♪ government promises to take care of you. >> this is a big part of what i do is to protect people from choices. >> it's crazy. >> don't call me crazy. >> it's dangerous to disagree with government. government has d gun and it knows so much about you.

>> you're an arrogant jerk. >> let's break up with government. >> that's our show, tonight. >> what was that that we just played? i could hear that girl breaking up with the guy, breaking uch with government. it's a new web tv series by the independent institute that is about breaking up with government, designed to make the problems caused by government more accessible to people. esignd to make the pr lems cau by government more accessible to people, but it is an overbearing boyfriend. the series is called love go and has gotten nearly 2 million views. >> i know that we just met.

john: we will debate that premise. i shouldn't do a show on this too many young people seem to love government.

people like austin peterson who runs the website libertarian republic .com. you have the same name is a star on the film. john: you are a long time libertarian. you have now watch this. >> when you see him getting all of the sons of thousands of young people you know that something like this is being shared. >> this facebook post that says it is in name, that is what we need. maybe the libertarians need our own reality show. john: someone did supply, at no time has the majority been interested in raw

knowledge. this we will do more than any lecture. >> they say that it does not take a majority to succeed. i think it was only 3 percent of the people the support of the revolution. perhaps we can have our own. john: almost all the media pushes big government anticapitalist message. here is a clip from the highest grossing movie of all time. avatars billing is a mining company. >> this little gray rock cells from million a kilo. john: to get it they destroy the indigenous peoples land. you guys consumed this. does it not make you mad? >> pop culture gets people going. take the story of game of thrones and to contrast that to limited government.

one of our heroes talks about the nightwatchman state, and it is similar to the situation. all of a sudden tens of thousands are reading about menarche and there interested in pop culture 1st. maybe that is the way to do it. john: you have learned more about these things through the students for liberty group. >> there is a large and growing international liberty movement which is a hopeful sign. john: how do you know it is growing? >> students are registering for our regional convention. we are really seeing a huge movement for liberty. the million man march earlier this year in brazil, and hong kong has seen the revolution for liberty as well, and there is an international presence excited about limited government and personal responsibility.

i was interested in socialism at 1st,, and i was buying into -- john: like a lot of young people. >> buying into the idea that government was the solution. i started to read more and realize that the government is actually hurting more than helping. she realizes that the government is hurting her chances at a future. reading and learning and opening my eyes and reading law legislation and liberty. john: how did you get it? >> i was in an airport one day and picked up a book i'll give me a break. john: i have been waiting for someone to say this on this show. >> i wasi was shocked because you are saying that maybe prostitution should be legal. ii took a chance and learned more about it and realize that you were right. it is because of you that i

am here today. legitimately serious. that is why 3rd i'm going to run for president as a libertarian. john: you are running for the libertarian party nomination over gary johnson? >> i think i might be able to do better. a lot of young people are interested in these ideas and perhaps do not want an older guy, but libertarians -- >> or ron paul. >> but he had a chance and if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, maybe we ought to switch it up. john: one thing that bothers me is they pretrade the hero as a nerd which made the film say we wanted to be

accurate. put her on the asp burgers spectrum. you kind of have to read. most of us are indoctrinated , but then we have to read books like this to break out of the conventional wisdom of what most people believe today. >> i think that it takes a lot of thought. >> if you look at the online numbers, one of the things you see his socialists have an enormous market share. conservatives have a small market share. we will see a demographic twist, the older generation -- john: are not being counted because they don't have land lines. >> and hearing people are tired of establishment politics. far left hand outside of the democrat establishment and

the student movement for ran paul pushing back against establishment politics, and it is a matter of time where we will push politics in a more interesting direction. john: thank you. the love go video series has five parts. the main characters 1st meet wind of collides with alexis and a college hallway. john: yes, andyes, and at this time she is so deep in college loan debt, notices are withdrawal forms. >> can i have those back. >> student withdrawal form, are you dropping out? >> i don't know, maybe. i am already 15 grandon dead. >> that is what loans are for.

john: at this point the video introduces the new character who we referred to before libertarian and sensible and encourages alexis to borrow more to stay in school which is what politicians keep proposing and then says. >> you already have so much stuff to pay. >> a lifetime to pay off debt, lifetime. there is nothing more important than your education. corn farmers are important. bribing them, offering subsidies, but that is another issue. back to college loans. the answer to growing student debt is to let the students pay less. >> moving toward a system that enables people to pay a percentage of their income as opposed to a set, flat payment schedule.

john: the plan is to forgive the lungs completely, just stick the taxpayers, but this is a huge mistake says author of the education apocalypse. what is the mistake? >> when you subsidize things, you make them more expensive which has been the history of the student loan debacle. since the 70s schools have responded by increasing the amount of tuition charged. the student loanthe student loan subsidies should not be thought of as a subsidy for students because they go into debt. a lot of people make excellent salaries, have good benefits and tend to vote democrat. john: back to the big government party. >> that's right. look at barack obama's campaign. stanford university, harvard university, ucla, obvious that higher education is a

big source of money and foot soldiers who are likely to lean left at that phase in life, so it makes perfect sense. the question is who is left holding the bag. student debt up to 76% since 76 percent since 2,009. when i was writing the book it was just a trillion. students are stuck with that that they cannot pay default or nearly and defaults. >> a lot of problems with students just not earning that much. figures were recently released. $25,000 per year. almost half of college graduates are not making more than that. john: college should be free. it works in europe, but it is hard to get into college. maybe that is not a bad strategy for the united states to follow, but it is

not what bernie sanders is suggesting. john: a bubble that is about to pop. when i started writing about the higher education bubble and people thought it was crazy but now you have from the la times a new york times, they will be saying the same thing. john: if it is, it will not sustain. join this argument, follow me on twitter. use the hashtag breakup. or like my facebook page. i like to know what you think. coming up, obama care and what it means. the cold truth is, (coughing) you can't work from home when you're sick. you need real relief. alka-seltzer plus day cold & flu has three cold symptom fighters

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♪ john: how is obama care like dating a controlling and intrusive guy. so you go to the dr. and in the office is your boyfriend got of. >> this seems a little

intrusive. >> just making sure you get the healthcare you deserve is intrusive, then i we will be constantly intrusive for the rest of your life, and it will be impossible to get rid of me. john: a pretty good description of obama care, care, constantly intrusive for the rest of your life and imposs. first of all, government controls mean fewer choices. >> this is a big part of what i do, protect people from sources. anyway, this is a great plan. i don't have kids. that is just giving my money to the insurance company. john: yes, insurance companies are happy about it. then they became big backers of obama care because they learned that this gives us captive customers.

the video suggests obama care would raise costs. i'm just wrong. the affordable care act, we have a healthcare system that was broken in the affordable care act is one step in the right direction. being a pregnant woman is the pre-existing condition you equate coverage with healthcare. we have a health insurance system and not a healthcare system which is why it is

just one step. >> more americans are going down there was a good part about obama care. some people started being cost-conscious. >> what it does is allow for regular, average americans who could not afford insurance to go in and purchase healthcare insurance and get preventive screening in checks which is all-important. because you need to know, like my mom always said prevention is better than care. >> your mom and everyone believes that, but people who suddenly get preventative care freak go

in more often and there have been no proof that it saves money or lives. oregon gave medicaid to hafford group of people. early screenings, early pap smear prevention. they also kill people. a lot are more invasive. and some of those surgeries go bad. usually a majority of the time people get preventative

care. you get that checked out, it could have led to you having calling cancer. it should cover the unexpected. >> you would not use health insurance for a cold. insurance should be for things that you don't expect we all agreed to contribute a little bit now so that we are covered in case something big happens like if i get hit by a car. john: obama care covers much more. no one even talks price. the individual says i think i ought to have this test.

what is wrong with paying for birth control? >> it is not an emergency. it is treated, different diseases. before the affordable care act, 80 percent more and healthcare payments and mended. they go to the dr. more often. do you pay more for a car insurance on a woman? >> as a young person who drives a sports car do. john: all men do, and you pay more for life insurance.

will end up using the healthcare system in this country the.is that government smothers us. i don't think government is small or big but the need to be effective. >> airplanes that we don't need. government spying. >> proceed. >> a couple from idaho persuaded the court to approve a lawsuit against president obama and the nsa for acting like a jealous boyfriend.

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looking for patterns that might reveal a terrorist plot seemed like a reasonable thing for the government to do, but lots of people say it is a gross violation of privacy. >> well, safety is important to me, but i do not think that the government collecting my phone data will make people more safe. john: you are a lawyer and have actually sue the president. >> that's right, we have. the collection of this phone meta-data which is who you call comeau when you call, and how long you talk which can reveal a lot of information. should the government have that information the government can get it, go to aa judge and say that i believe that an is up to something. there is due process in place. john: a lot of people want to sue the government. the smiths have been so far.

>> my name is peter smith. ten years ago there was a dragnet collection of call records which revealed detailed information about anna. how do we know whether those records were ever seized or searched? john: that was the appeals court judge asking you questions in your 2nd appearance and you await the decision. >> that is exactly right. we know that they are collecting the data. a subscriber on verizon wireless. >> i did because it is easy for me to talk to my client. john: you had a condition. >> i did. when the edward snowden case came to light i mentioned to my husband, i did not think

that it was right that the government was able to collect my telephone data when i had not done anything wrong. i mentioned it, and later on that night, i am a nurse in the neonatal intensive care. about one am he sent me a text message saying, would you be willing to be the plaintiff in the case suing the president? and i said sure, as long as i don't have to do any interviews, and here i am. john: in the satire he tried to reassure his girlfriend about his spying on her e-mails. >> analyzing metadata. >> no one is listening to your telephone calls. john: both are true. they are just gathering, looking for patterns, and may be able find a will find a

terrorist that way. >> but that reveals a lot about you. >> maybe they will find someone who wants to kill us >> but this program has been wholly ineffective at doing that. it does not keep us safe. john: congress has kind of taking your side at least saying that the phone companies have to hold the data. >> exactly true, and and i was on the right side of history here. john: why is it less problematic? >> the phone company has records of certain customers they don't have everyone's record in one database. they are not going to look up her records, but someone who may be on their radar, and the political party not favor by the government, they can learn a lot. it is who has the information that matters, and the government is powerful. john: this is expensive.

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you, is she? well, it is my moral responsibility to protect her. businesses are dangerous, marijuana level dangerous command all these rules have been put in place to protect workers and consumers. john: yes. so many rules. posters explaining some. lots of the rules are obvious. some are obscure. unless i work for federal, state, or local government. no one i no has ever read all those rules.

following the rules cost money. >> i don't know if i can afford this. maybe i cannot hire you. >> it feels like you just protected me out of a job. john: they protect lots of people out of jobs. they are there for our protection. >> if you look at the code of federal regulations which i would not recommend anyone do because it is 170,000 pages long. over 1 million commandments that tell business owners and entrepreneurs what they must or cannot do. regulators are always one step behind. people forget that today's economy is much different than it was in the past. the powerthe power of information is held in the hands of the consumer now.

it is not only easy for people like me to tell you what i think about a place i went for lunch by can find out if i want to hire a handyman or babysitter, easy to crowd source and figure out what other people thought. john: what about workplace safety, rules like osha? >> well, unfortunately there is not supposed to take cost to benefit into consideration they myopically focus on one goal the negative side effects often does protect large companies. we see this in the battle right now.

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♪ john: probably the most expensive where the government acts like a distract her boyfriend is the way it helps us by housing. >> am going to buy a house. >> good because homeownership is the american dream.

everyone deserves to be a parta part of it. let's go get your house. it is your right. >> sounds a lot like my president. >> helping more families afford a piece of the american dream, owning their own home. john: which means taxpayers guarantee the housing loan which encourages people to buy more expensive homes than they would otherwise and to think less about the cost. you know what this is, once again being focused on price and cost. you deserve to be in the house do you want.that you want. i will make sure you get the money that you need. >> is not the question of deserve. >> these days they are often not there. the recent foundations say governments are deceiving people. >> one of the most destructive ideas out there for you cannot have the american dream without

owning a home and you can own a home unless the government is subsidizing a mortgage which loose back around to the fact that you cannot have happiness without the government. john: that is the behavior in the film, that we provide the good stuff command americans tend to believe this. >> a lot of times they don't see it. these organizations guarantee mortgages so that banks do not feel like there taking on risk and there is the mortgage interest deduction. which are people, or if you are in the middle class, research i have done, the mortgage interest reduction safety about $600 a year. john: even republican say that we have to keep doing these things because housing will collapse. >> it is the idea of ownership, which is a great

thing. if your able to do it and afford it. if it is putting you in a massive amount of debt or you're only getting into with three or 45 percent down payme living the american dream but i don't own my own home. i shouldn't feel like the government or politicians telling me i can't be happy unless i own a house. >> you mentioned 3 percent verses 5 percent down payment. after the housing bubble popped politicians said never again we are not going toti giveci the 3 percent down payment loans they raised it to 5 percent. used to be 20 percent or 40 percent. now they have lowered it again atw 3 percent. >> it is back down to p percent. this was one of the things we were promised by every member of the government never again. never again will we ahave the irresponsible loans out there. the fha is guaranteeing loans at 3 percent down payment. >> here's the presidentei sayin we are going to help the middle class.

>> starting this month the federal housing authority will lower its mortgage premium rates enough to save the average new borrower more than $900 a year. voters buy this. >> is it stuff makes me upset. basic economics says if you are making it cheaper to get mortgages relative to the supply of homes being fixed the prices are going to go up. really the government making homes more affordable does it makes it easier for you to take on more debt. there are more ways to defining a responsible home buyer than just the down payment on your home. if you don't have the savings to put more than 3 percent down payment on a home almost every finance professor in the country will tell you are not in a good position to be taking on that home. >> the treasury department has a web site, making home affordable. help is mehere. they make it sound like magic. even the phone number has the word hope in it. they want you to go into debt

just like in the video. >>to i love g loans. >> you want to do an actual private bank which had its own money on the line this would happen. >> alexis, your loan has been denied. >> what? why? >> you can't expect to be approved for a 225,000 dollar loan when you are already hundreds of thousands in debt. >> no, i wouldn't say so. alexis and her boyfriend. >> can you help me? >> don't you have savings? >> no. >> how do you carry all of the money around. >> it is other people's debt so it is complicated. >> you rancept up all of this d on me? >> did you not know about this? >> nobody knows about this. y nobody pays attention. >> nobody knows about this. the debt that the taxpayers have which is related to all of the

bailouts of fanny and freddie and all of the guarantees they have behind fannie mae and freddie mac and fha it is not counted among the national debt. it is a government sponsored enterprise or government sponsored entity. >>t- thank yousp anthony from reason. next will alexis finally break up with gov? will you? the cold truth is, (coughing) you can't work from home when you're sick. you need real relief. alka-seltzer plus day cold & flu has three cold symptom fighters to relieve your tough symptoms. stay unstoppable. (truck horn) alka-seltzer plus. suffering from ringing in their ears, there's no such thing as quiet time. but you can quiet the ringing with lipo-flavonoid, the number-one doctor-recommended brand. relieve the ringing with lipo-flavonoid.

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>> if you have been with us for the full hour i assume you are eager for alexis to fulfill the promise of the title of the shoshow and finally break up with gov. breaking up is hard to do as the song says. libby encourages her friend. >> are you finally done with gov? >> i just can't seem to get rid of him. i keep seeing that thing. >> go about your normal business. >> big government is so involved in so many parts of our lives it is hard to separate. just this year president obama and bureaucrats don't even get a vote will approval of congress compare 5 million new workers eligible for mandatory over time, impose new restrictions on coal burning power plants, gave 800,000 home buyers tax payer backed subsidy and much more. they keep going on and on.

the regulators aren't evil. they usually mean well they have blinders on in the area of their specialty. the rule makes sense. it might protect somebody. it is an accumulative effect of rules is to paralyze life. now more than ever we can't afford the government we bought. look at this graph of federal spending since america began. >> started low. less than 5 percent of the economy. here's world war i. here's world war ii. used to go down after wars but now even in peace time it only goes up. pretty soon we are up here. how can we pay for that? >> this isn't enough tax money in the world to pay for everything the politicians promised. we have got to break up most of the government we have got now. i know how to start.

there's so much that shouldn't get tax payer's funds. the bureaucrats need everything they do. tell off government to lay aldo what alexis finally does. >> you might not think that you love me but it is still my job to protect u.>> you are an arroga arrogant jerk who hurts everything it touches. you talked me into 40,000 in debt for school, you spent all of my money. you are we're done. and stop spying on me. get out. >> now it is our turn. let's break up with big government. that's our show, see you next week.

however, "living on a prayer" is not a great campaign slogan. however, i'll see you on monday at 9:00. >> the pope's visit to america is making the front pages. >> we see the writing on the wall. we know that our numbers are gone. >> and fewer are joining religious orders. >> do you fear that some day this order could be extingt? >> yes, you have to think of it. >> is the pope coming to a country where religion is in trouble? or is there hope for renewal? >> i'll be a witness for christ, the world, all of the time. >> >> fox news reporting, losing faith in america? from new york city here is bill hemmer. >> pope francis arrived in america with much fan fair as the most recognizable christian leader