however, "living on a prayer" is not a great campaign slogan. however, i'll see you on monday at 9:00. >> the pope's visit to america is making the front pages. >> we see the writing on the wall. we know that our numbers are gone. >> and fewer are joining religious orders. >> do you fear that some day this order could be extingt? >> yes, you have to think of it. >> is the pope coming to a country where religion is in trouble? or is there hope for renewal? >> i'll be a witness for christ, the world, all of the time. >> >> fox news reporting, losing faith in america? from new york city here is bill hemmer. >> pope francis arrived in america with much fan fair as the most recognizable christian leader in the world.

his very first visit to the united states is a significant event. but for all of the excitement, has he arrived at a time when christianity in america is a faith in crisis? >> the pope's had a busy schedule this week after meeting in cuba with fidel castro he flew in to the u.s. on thursday. his first time on u.s. soil. >> god bless america. >> every where he has gone he has been met with adoring crowds. not that his trip has been entirely without controversy. >> we direct our steps unto we have the most saved effect of the environmental deterioration caused by human activity. >> i think the gentlemen is playing the political role instead of the papal role.

>> representative from arizona echos critic of the pope boycotted his speech because he felt this pope has become too political. >> he is pursuing his own agenda items in regards to the environment and climate change, redistribution of wealth and immigration. what he is trying to do is forefront the issue. >> beyond questions of politics, there is a deeper problem the church must face. for even as the pope dominates the news this week, this is a nation with a declining christian presence. a recent pew survey showed for 2007 to 2014 americans identifying as christians decline to about 70 percent of the population. that's nearly 10 percent drop. a large part of that decline came from catholicism. now only 1 in five americans

identify as capitol. meanwhile americans saying they have no particular religion at all grew significantly to almost 23 percent of the population. this decline has had serious consequences. in new york city alone more than 30 cath liolic churches closed their doors in august. >> we see the writing on the wall. we have tons of priests, tons of nuns,tons of catholics. >> archbishop in new york. >> families who have 6, 7, 8, 91 910, 10 kids all in these cohesive neighborhoods. we can long for them and grieve the past but there's no use crying over that spilled milk. it is gone, okay. so we have to live with that. >> cardinal dolan is the one who ultimately decided which churches close and which did not. >> our numbers are gone. we know given the current

realities you could hardly assign a priest to a perish with 80 families when there's one a half mile away. >> how did you choose how you would consolidate? >> it wasn't easy. we had some outside professionals who got a good track record of helping other diocese do this. they met with our people and looked at the demographics of the archdiocese and divided at that time 370 or so perishes that we had. >> one of the churches that the archdiocese closed was this one. our lady of peace on the upper east side of manhattan said good-bye to holy spirtest brief the locks changed and is holding services outside as worshippers refuse to give up on their 100-year-old perish. ♪ >> it is the kind of scene that reflects what has been going on across the nation. >> let's face it, religious practice is out. why is that? >> i don't know. it is tough to graph the

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we've just seen how some churches are closing here in new york city. the problem goes deeper. if present trends continue, many worry about the future of the catholic church itself in america. we went to see a order of nunns just 30 miles north of here to see if their story offered a clue about this phenomenon. >> the order of the marital

sisters de veet their lives to service of receipts. >> the first mission was chinatown. >> sister rosemary has been a nun for 56 years. >> and then after that i went to kenya. then i went to tanzania. they sent me up to canada where i worked with first nation people protecting rights. then from there i went to the congo. >> sister rose she is known is on a break before she returns to her latest mission, circumstance stan in nor-- circumstanckyrgyz. >> they go places people dooth to go and do incredible thing. >> the newest sister just made her first vows last month. >> they work with refugees, handicapped people. the poorest of the poor. for me, it was just that's what

i wanted to do. i wanted to be with women like that. >> the problem is marah at age 43 is a rarity whose average age is in the 80's. >> does it bother you that the average age of the sisters is now early 80's sfwh>>? >> i have given that a lot of thought. it is different than the 1950's. will the order continue? will we get new sisters? that's a lot to think about. >> the current president is sister noni. she joined in 1964. >> when i was growing up as a young catholic and if i were sitting across from you, you would look different to me because you would be wearing a has be has be habut. >> the thank >> it transformed the catholic

church starting in the mid 1960's. >> vatican 2 is an incredible huge meeting of the catholic bishops where they grappled with how to make the catholic message or the catholic church more user friendly, that's kind of the short version. >> the change is wrought by vaticans on superficial matters such as allowing meat on fridays and changing attire of the nuns. >> if i were walking down the street with a has bebut i would you were a nunn. if you tripped and fell you might know. >> does that bother you i don't have immediate recognition? we should give honor to everyone. >> the sisters along with large minority voted to remove their habits and shed other traditions

as well. >> what did vatican 2 mean to the mare nol sisters? >> we got out of more traditional work we were in such as schools and hospitals. went to other places. went more on the margin of society where people hadn't been before. i don't mean to be grandiose about it but gave us a sense that our founders wanted us to go out and be a reflection of god's love and to go where the poor are in order to show that love. >> whatever else it was, the vatican 2 was a turning point. the number of nuns in america hit the peak in 1965 and it has been falling ever since. there were 180,000 nuns in the u.s. 50 years ago. only 48,000 today. some claim this was the inevitable outcome of democrats making cultural changes. others claim it was changes within the church that helped bring this about.

>ctions in the church apply to cultural relativism than conversion of the souls. question the claim on ruth believing it was the church that had much to learn from the world. whatever the reason, sister noni who spent most of her time as a missionary in taiwan is back to new york facing the vanishing of a religious order. when she started they had 1600 nuns worldwide today that number is over 400. >> do you fear some day this order will be extinct? >> you have to think of it. in the history of the religious communities in the church religious orders have come and gone. they have met a need at a certain time and when that need has been fulfilled they have kind of passed on. so i have asked, do we fit in this cycle? have we completed what mother mary joseph started? >> it is also a religion in

decline. you can see the numbers drop over the past several years. >> i think it's because the church, the churches don't speak directly to the heart of the people and where people are at. have people left the church or has the church left people? >> she is hopeful. >> cathe great thing about catholicism is it's really one size fits all. the all has different approaches. we all have different ways and different move moments that take us to god. >> when we come back we look at some other churches whose different ways and different approaches may be helping religion make a comeback. what do they have that the others are missing? bring us your aching

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>> the marinol order is not what it once was and the trend for christianity is downward. there are pockets of strength in america where the faith sometimes against the odds is bubbling up. >> middle tennessee the area often referred to as the buckle of the bible belt. you can see why, every where you look there's a different church. but even among these places of worship, one baptist church stands out. >> back in the early 2,000s there was probably 80 or 100 people coming every sunday. we would have at least 75 or so in sunday school. >> larry was the chair of deacons foreseenic drive baptist

church for over a decade. when he took over the church was alive with faith and parishioners. in recent years it began to dwindle. >> over the if i am our congregation got older. >> it would have been shocking to see a southern baptist church struggling. not any more. southern baptist churches, the nation's largest protestant body had been de claning for better part of a decade losing 200,000 members in 2014 alone. scenic drive was a victim of that trend. >> it had gotten to where we were spending 1500 to 2,000 more a month than what we were bringing in. >> larry feared it was the end of his church. >> that was tough. the business and finance

committee met regularly anyway to try to keep up the finances of the church as good stewards would. we finally faced the inevitable and realized we were going to have to do something different. if the lord didn't accestep in were going to have to sell the property or do something with it. >> then by luck, or was it providence, there was a ray of hope. >> we used to have our prayer meetings in different homes. >> while scenic drive was fading away, an egyptian baptist minister was having services for a growing arabic population in the area. his followers were looking for a church to call home. he met with the local pastor. he said there is a church and they are ready, are you interested? i said, yes, i am. >> scenic drive had a decision

to make. they could turn their place over to a mega church looking to expand or from a local minister preaching from whatever room he could muster up on a sunday. >> when we brought it before the congregation it was unanimous. we thought we needed to give them a home. >> the value of the land the church was sitting on around $11 million. they never considered going for the money. >> i honestly don't think we had another choice. it wasn't ours to sell. it began to the lord. >> the 5th day was -- first day was really good. it was worship between all of the church and the new church. what a wonderful time. >> that was bitter sweet. you are anxious and sad at the

same time, but it was really heartwarming to see how well they received the church. >> you may have noticed the writing on the wall. scenic drive officially became the arabic baptist church of murrays bo fsh fsh in murphysbo. he dedicated the church. in the arabic seeking christians came. >> it is like a home away from home. it is very important to understand the need of our people and trying to meet it. >> others came, too. >> you have lots of different books, colors and different sounds, different languages. we do that ehere on earth that would be great. >> we can rejoice together. >> language is not a problem. dr. 's wife carol translates for

all of the english speakers looking for a service. >> we have hope and trust. >> parishioners listen to her through head phones. >> as we love one another we show your love. in the name of jesus. amen. >> jesus is the same. he's hindu, muslim backgrounds, whatever it was fld. >> i feel a nice close connection with doctor. i -- doctor ghattas. i like his preaching and the style of the service. >> not everyone gets it. >> i do get a lot of comments from people saying gosh, this is strange that this church would turn over this property to an arabic baptist church. i thought why?

wouldn't you want god's work to continue? >> thanks to this unlikely union continue it does. the arabic baptist church is just one unexpected spot that has reversed the national trend. truth is you never know where religious vfervor will step up. it may look like a rock concert, but this is a christian worship service. >> this is not the kind of church i grew up in. >> the one thing that connecting people more than any one else. it is by god and for god. we love the old days but we don't have to be stuck in the old days. >> the first century 25-year-old

something that happened 1700 years ago. >> hill song a thriving church with pentecostal roots was founded in sidne sydney, australia. it has grown from a congregation of 45 people to a church in locations 15 cities across the globe. this one is in new york city. >> love hill song. we decided to come. >> these are your pews and your pews are chairs. >> i guess you would call them pews. >> brian houston founded hill song church with his wife. >> what void do you believe hill song fills? >> i personally believe there are hungry people no matter what people say or history says where

they are declining my personal experience with people is a deep down inside fund amount fally they are looking for something spiritual in their lives. that kind of makes their job easy. >> houston says at face value this church is entertaining. that brings people in especially younger people. what keeps them there is hill song's tradition of timeless faith. >> the bible goedz back in time. but the meccas have changed. 21st century and the 21st century we are reaching a different dynamic a different demographic of people. >> i think your church would be described as forward leaning. do you still rely on the traditions of the faith>> yeah, we do. we have our own system of traditions. what we are determined is to hold on to the foundational doctrines and what i would call strong theology which is built

ultimately around the death and resurrection of jesus christ. so we are very conservative when it comes to the message in that sense. but again, hopefully much more relatable and better approach to conveying that message. >> i think it is working because ultimately people are here who would maybe never darken the door of a church. >> we have been looking at the success of protestant groups but what about the catholic succe protestants? we find deep division. more on that when we return. ♪ ♪

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>> live from america's news headquarters i am kelly wright. good evening. pope francis is in the air heading back to the vatican. a number of dignitaries saw the national airport including vice president and mrs. biden before leaving. the pontiff expressed his gratitude for the hundreds of people who helped organize his trip. he held mass for hundreds of thousands of people on the benjamin franklin parkway. at the united nations president obama committed the u.s. to end world hunger and poverty. the president saying the agenda is not cher raarity but an invet in the future. mr. obama says it is an outrage so many people are a mosquito bite away from death.

oh oo so far even as the pope's visit stirs up excitement polls suggest christianity in america is on the decline. some catholic churches are closing but there are indications the future is not quite so dire. >> 100 converge to university of michigan a hotbed of progressive thought. they are not attending college, they are visiting a convent. >> it's the dominican sisters of the mary mother of the eucharist. one of the fastest growing con vents in the nation. >> the he can week lend will have a retreat. each one will decide if they want to spend their night as a nun. it may seem an unusual choice in a career driven world but

perhaps the young women are driven by other factors. >> i have always wanted to be a doctor but i am open to whatever god wants me to do. >> one of them is jane thomas is senior at harvard suddtudying evolutionary biology. >> i might be in mexico studying how a monkey got microbes. >> it could be an odd situation to be pulled in two directions at one time. >> i don't know why i am here but other than in prayer i felt like it was what god wanted me to do. so here i am. >> another wroung women at the retreat christina serena is a senior at the university of dote dame. >> the organize niginal plan wa become an engineer. when i got to notre dame, i decided, no i think i am actually called to be a theology professor. when god asked me to consider a religious vocation. i thought no, god, i already

gave up science. isn't that enough? what more do you want? >> the dominican sisters feel like the perfect fix. >> it is a story of falling in love. when you meet a guy and you like him, you don't think about all of the reasons you like him. you just know that you do. >> rachel came here from the university of mary in bismarck, north dakota. >> this is the third time i have been here, actually. i came in my sophomore year of high school. i didn't know i was coming. i was on what is called a nun run. i don't want to be a sister. i had never thought about it. >> but she is had plenty of time to think about it since. >> how many nights are the retreats for? how many are brand new? these retreats really do work. >> sister andrew is one of the founders of this order. she welcomes the young women at each retreat. >> you set aside your life for 24 or 48-hours, whenever it is, to say god, speak.

>> the young women stay overnight on the floor of a classroom where they may one day teach. they will hear from sisters on what to expect as they enter the order an have a private discussion with sister joseph andrew herself. but the whole process is a lot longer than a weekend. if they decide to go on and are accepted, it takes years. first there will be a pos due lent and a novice only after that will they take their final vows. the dominican sisters in ann arbor and a handful like them are bucking the downward trend in american catholicism. since teit's inception they hav grown from 4 founders to 120 sisters with an average age of 30. sister joseph andrew thinks the order's success has a lot to do with the focus on what young people are looking for. >> i meet young people all over the united states and sometimes

even beyond. i think where we can miss it with young people is we don't trust their desire to sacrifice for what they love and belief in. >> there are so many different things that people turn to to i try to find happiness and enjoy peace and love and a lot of things the culture is like, hey, do this. people aren't finding it there. i think that my generation is realizing where you can find it and that's in christ. >> the dominican sisters are considered a more conservative order as symbolized by their traditional dress which most american sisters shed in previous decades. >> it is most beautiful because when i get to receive my habit and wear it i will be a visible witness for christ and for the world all of the time. >> the women stayed up all night in the chapel asking god whether they be long there. when the weekend was over two out of three were sure of their path. >> this is my dominican family and my vocation and exactly

where god wants me to be. >> i walked out of there smiling ear to ear. even today when we pulled up to the mother house i just couldn't stop smiling. >> only jane wasn't sure. not yet anyway. >> the weekend really exceeded my expectations. i am not signing up quite yet, but i don't know what will happen. >> jane hasn't ruled out religious life but will first accept that fulbright scholarship she fouapplied for spend some time in mexico doing research. meanwhile christina and rachel are two of a dozen young women who joined the dominican sisters in august. when we return more insurgents of catholics in but also signs of possible trouble. there's a mo get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support.

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began. there are teens and adults. >> the anniversary of the summer concert. >> dr. scott haun a theology professor as well as author of more than 40 books believes we are in a crisis. >> what seemed to be unthinkable 20-years ago now feels like it is unstoppable. >> theis adult conference held last weekend of july is called defending the faith. >> who are you fdefending the faith from? >> the dictation of moral relativism. >> they have attacks on the outside caused problems on the inside. >> we have so many people not practicing their faith. they have nine part american and

one part catholic. >> you are arguing we have become more secular as a nation? where do you see that? >> in the water supply and the air. it's like where don't you see it? >> what causes that? >> we have driven got out of the public square. what we done is finances a force of seque layek secularization t rushes in to fill the vacuum. >> conferences like this show the negative statistics don't tell the whole story. >> there's an enormous up swing. it is happening in college campuses as well. >> you are arguing there's an awakening. >> haun should know. he himself is a convert to catholicism. >> i was like most kids in my high school. yet jesus christ follower.

>> he also sees signs of renewal. she made that the title of her new book. this rena sl a -- renewal is taking place for those who stay have aed digsnal. >> you would argue the traditional church has greater strength than a church that evolves? >> or changes with the culture. we could never be part of the culture. the church is counter cultural. the church has to shape the cowl tou -- culture. >> franciscan is an example. the students we talked to might be young but the faith they follow is old. >> you feel you were called to be here? >> i really do. the thing that appealed to me was the fact that there's a true catholic culture present ehere n campus where the soul is the faith. >> you have thousands of teenagers, teenagers praying out

loud worshipping god all together as one. it was amazing. >> this is a group on campus where students are committed to the priesthood. one of them is a graduate of the naval academy who left flight school to come to franciscan. >> i was in a bible study one time there was a young priest there athat said no matter what else he did he would never be able to get the same joy he got from being a priest, the joy that i experienced in flight school doesn't even compare to the joy that i feel here. >> when he we return we will come back to new york city and see how many chumps closed and many are navigating through the cross current of the faith. with dreamwalk insoles, turn shoes that can be a pain into comfortable ones. their soft cushioning support means

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>> we heard traditionalist's belief the byes chance for renewal is by embracing orthodox ee. one church has a way with dealing with tensions facing modern catholicism. >> brothers and sisters be sub order ant toothers. >> i went to a catholic church and went to a jesuit university and came to university for law school. >> matthew is a 30-year-old lawyer living in new york city. he attends mass at the church of the st. paul apostle every sunday. why do i go to church? to me it is a sense of community. it's a moral compass a way to order one's life. >> he also happens to be gay.

openly so since college. >> it is important the gay and lesbians understand. >> father bigilbert martinez wh is sistered sinful is homosexual acts. it is important to make that distincti distinction. >> father gill oversees an outreach program to the lgbt community called out at st. paul which has 120 active members. >> what is your message to lgbt catholics? it is a message of the gospel. we don't do in any differently than anybody who walks in the church. they are loved by god and invited to live their lives in faith that way by sharing that love. >> it seems to be working. his church is crowded on sundays and what's more? attracts a relatively young congregation. >> one of the conflicts toward the younger generation is the church's response to

homosexuality. this is a very i big issue for young people. >> as a pastor does the church offer to heal their homosexuality? >> no. i think that can be very remarkable. >> how come? >> i believe homosexual is not sinful. i believe we have to continue to take people where they are at. if they understand themselves and they are homosexual and engage in church teaching they can decide if they are going to be gay. others say i understand what the church teaches but i know my life i am called to be in a loving relationship. >> the pair perish, the diocese might have the best intentions in mind. >> father national director of priest for life needs to understand what the teachings are through words and actions. >> they might be saying we uphold the church as teaching but we want to reach out to

these people to make them know they are welcome here as well. my problem is this. you have a responsibility to reach out the entire block and avoid scandal. i raise a doubt in the minds of my people about what church teaching really is. >> the church will open the doors but it will not condone>> we are not going to apologize they are coming to a community which believes that marriage is between one man and one woman and it is no the up to us to change that. i think many people are taking with it and running with it and it is creating scandal. >> some see father gill's church of following the need of pope francis and his statements about homosexua homosexuali homosexuality. >> i see talking to one of the reporters one question was about gay priests. if someone is gay and churches

f -- searchs for the lord who am i to judge? >> who am i to judge. >> more or less he did plagiarism for jesus. not bad. >> i think francis is amazed saying really all i did was quote jesus. >> a member at st. paul thinks the catholic church acetone has changed because of the pope. >> when you have pope francis saying more pro gay staples than you have heard in the past, i am not going to say the church will be totally changed. it is more accepting than it has been before. as long as francis continues to say who am i to judge the people in your ministry will be okay with that. >> the expectations are high. >> as a gay catholic i think you

automatically are confronted with a number of issues that you are at odds with being both. it is something i struggle with and struggle with but right now i feel like i am at a place in this particular perish in this church that i feel welcomed, that i am not being judged and that i feel hopeful this is what the catholic church should be. >> as pope frantis prepares to say good-bye to america there are positive trends and many feel positive. >> do you think pope francis can lead a revival in the catholic church? >> the perception among the church is that we are sort of a nagging graby, corrupt, worn out church. >> francis is breaking that perception. what people are seeing an he can

totally is a revived interest in the catholic faith. people who have been bruised or have drifted or taking a second look. >> nevertheless there's a concern among the catholics that the message not be lost in the flurry of excitement with the new pope in the way of communicating. >> the creed is not a question mark. it is an exclamation point. >> the pope is the one entrusted by god from making the exclamation point clear. part of that is the compassion and mercy with god. he is the one for making the teaching clear. the last thing we want is making the one feel like the teaching is unclear. >> do you think the church needs to reenvent itself? hor do you find perhaps young

people, perhaps adults themselves are more attracted to the traditional teachings. >> it is not man-made. it is alive in a way it is sort in our own souls. the living tradition of the church will never be timely in the culture. people in every culture are going to layout of it and say this is life giveing in the way fads will never be. >> jesus told peter upon this rock i will build my church. today the fear is the rock itself is crumbling. there are traditions and beliefs going back thousands of years.

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