abuzz all over the building about the rollout tomorrow. don't miss it on the radio. let's pop up pictures of south carolina. interstate i-95, 75-mile stretch shut down because of flooding. that's a major route from miami to new york. ask not what your country can do for you -- >> that was then. now politicians tell us we should ask, no, demand that our country do more for us. politicians celebrate victims. >> so many women still earning less than men on the job. >> working longer hours for lower wages. >> apparently america is filled with victims. >> i've been verbally abused because of my religion. >> i was also a victim as a child. >> i wouldn't say i was not a victim. >> america, a country of victims? that's our show tonight.

and now john stossel. >> are you a victim? i am. my brother's much smarter than i. i lack social skills. ask my co-workers around fox. don imus told someone i was socially awkward. he's right. i'm deficient. makes me a victim. if only i were more like bill o'reilly. he lacks social skills, too, but he doesn't care. no, i don't want to be like bill. i want to be like barack obama. he's talented, charming, taller than me, too. but, wait, he's black. he must be a victim. you get where i'm going with this. everyone can claim to be a victim. now there are real victims, mentally ill, children, neglected or abused by parents. a billion people on earth who must try to live on a dollar a day, but something odd is going on in america.

this is the most successful country in the history of the world. we spend $22 trillion on programs that promise to help those who need help and yet more people than ever say, i'm a victim, and lots of politicians say, that's why i ran for office. when hillary clinton announced her presidential campaign she said, i'm running -- >> for everyone who's ever been knocked down. >> people are working two, three jobs. >> you know who's not successful, the middle class in this country. >> watching moll particulars make americans the victims. reason maing asean and talk show host david webb discusses victim culture on his radio show. david, i guess you're a victim. you're black. >> i'm a little confused. the whole narrative is because i'm black at some time somebody discriminated against me. well, unless they did it to my face, which no one's had the

guts to do. >> never? >> no. >> you cover this and focus on how politicians encourage it. >> for any government official it makes sense to have more people to help. that's how you expand your domain. so by re-defining people who might not even think of themselves as victims as in need of government assistance you wind up becoming more powerful. pretty simple equation. they want to expand their bureaucratic turf. i found another 10 million people who need food stamps. >> they do that because they need to stay in business. have you ever met a bureaucracy that wanted to put itself out of business? >> or ever did? >> or ever did. >> yeah. look at them all. we have a list here of some of the assistance programs for alleged victims. medicare, medicaid, chip, children's health insurance program, housing service, indian health, special milk program,

earned income tax credit. it goes on and on and it didn't end poverty. >> this idea that err would' spending this huge amount on welfare, you know, we live in a country that's richer than ever. certainly it's true that some of that money goes to help people genuinely in need. >> if you spend 22 trillion you're going to help people. >> we've spent trillions on poverty. our percentage of the population that still lives in poverty, relatively the same. are we creating an under class of people who depend on government. >> the bureaucracy in order to perpetuate itself creates a lobar to participate in the programs. the children are raised in this. they bring children up in this. you start to see this. this is why we are where we are. >> on the phone you said to my producer the welfare state is insidious. >> yes, it is. >> i actually looked that up. i know what it means but i wanted to make sure what that says.

proceeding in a gradual, subtle way but with harmful effects. harmful but enticing. >> yes. >> when you create dependency you don't do it by going to someone saying, i need you to be a dependent. you sell them sunshine. you will have all the things you need but along the way you lose the -- either the impetus or the incentive to provide for yourself. >> we have government saying, don't worry, we've got it covered. we have everything under control. churches, you can step back from adoption proceedings or aid to families in crisis. even everything from, you know, private insurance companies, right? when we have a natural disaster the federal government steps in and dispenses cash to people who should have could have bought their own insurance. you're all victims but it's okay because we can help you. meanwhile, people are not engaging in the kind of behavior that lets them help themselves.

>> before government took over there were mutual aid societies. >> it sounds like a libertarian fairy tale. this was true in america. >> groups of people that got together, sometimes it was the professional cluster, neighborhoods, schools. they did what people naturally want to do, which is help each other out in a time of need. this is not something that's a magical skill that only governments have. >> for democrats they it's mostly about transferring money for people. there are so many victims. >> so many women still earning less than men on the job. [ cheers and applause ] >> and women of color often making even less. [ cheers and applause ] >> kathryn, what i don't get here is they're applauding people making less. >> it's definitely a creepy scene there.

ladies, underpaid. you know, i think obviously what they're applauding is the now inevitable follow-up sentence that comes after that to get you excited, which is the government needs to do something. we'll investigate the laws and invest it. again, what hillary is doing there, what so many politicians have done before her is say there is one way to fix this and luckily for you guys that way is putting me into power. >> it's fear-mongering. they're playing on the fears of people that you will not get ahead without them. these studies have been debugged. they need to sell you fear because fear makes you dependent on them, john. hold it, you mean i have less chance? >> i need you. it works.

hillary is constantly talking about people not working. when people get jobs she says, the jobs are abusive. she said she was running for president. >> for the factory workers and food servers who stand on their feet all day. >> applaud suffering. >> yeah. i think it actually gets even more troubling or offensive when you take this globally, when you hear americans sort of from the time fret when they talk about the victims. just because something is bad it doesn't mean there's not a victim. >> they chose that factory job because their prior option was worse. >> working on farms is pretty terrible. >> we asked people on social media, twitter, google plus. here's a sample from twitter.

victimhood is desperately sought in america because it confers privilege. >> it gives you a special status. >> what does it give you? >> plenty. >> who was the fastest runner? who was the best thrower? who got the best grades on the test? as kids we naturally compete with each other. you're being sold that your special class -- >> when i went to college i was actually offered the chance to live on the black hall because there was a hall that was for me so i could commune with people of the same pigment. >> so you could be comfortable. >> i was incouncomfortable when was told i needed to be with seven people because of a skin color to be comfortable. >> sort of generally if someone cries wolf even when something wasn't really wrong, kids

wouldn't do t. they don't want to be a victim, they just see an angle. >> this is wr i -- >> let's look at it. do you play monopoly? we have these cards made up. you are a victim, you get out of responsibility. that's one of the advantages of being a victim that personal twitter was thinking about. i didn't accept victimology until i got to the school because i knew this was the false narrative. when i say that if you have people raised with a dependency call, you begin to see how we grow to awhere we are. >> coming up, when i'm a victim. >> do you think it's fatd? fate? >> what the hell's wrong with you. that's an open hand slap. >> that wasn't fun.

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john: cop [ applause ] >> have you seen a geico commercial with the camel? >> guess what today is? >> hump day. >> wahoo! >> i'm not sure how you get to car insurance but hump day for those of you who are as slow as i am, it's wednesday, because then you're over the hump of the work week. last year during finals week at the university of st. thomas some students proposed bringing in a camel to celebrate making it over the final. the result, controversy. the event was canceled. why? greg knows because he's with fire, he specializes in tracking. animals claim victimhood on college campuses. what was wrong with hump day? >> well, first people started arguing it was animal cruelty. what else was it going to do on

wednesday. then they started -- someone made the argument that it was offensive to middle eastern people even though middle eastern people were never referenced. it's a reference to the funny geico creature. so they canceled the event that people would be offended. >> local schools this is what you're finding a lot? >> yeah. i've done this for 15 years. it seems like the bar for being offended has gotten very, very low. >> because of some reward. >> oh, yes. i have been passing out some of these cards. you're a victim. you get out of responsibility. but what's in it for schools, students? >> you get to silence people you disagree with. you like being disinvited or meeting people. it's an all-purpose weapon. >> the latest thing is the micro aggression because you were not aware of your own sexism or

racism. you don't realize some of your comments are aggressive acts, micro aggression. stephen colbert asked one of his guests about it. >> what's a micro aggression? >> it's someone with a foe par. micro aggressions are not the same as race i mean. it's hidden under the surface. >> i get saying to a black person you're so articulate is on noxious, but what i don't get is some of the other ones. give me an example. >> america is the melting pot. >> yeah, what's wrong with that? >> the implication that people should become part of the melting pot. i don't understand that i have to say. i think the one with the person with the most merit got the job. these are all listed by the university of south carolina. you should not say the person with the best skills got the

job. that's insulting. i agree. >> they also say you should not criticize race-based a firmtive action. >> right. they didn't seem to take anything wrong with saying that's a tiny form of violence against victims. >> it's confusing to me. others embrace very honest empty talk about things like racial differences. they go to movies like this one. >> dear, white penal. does this look like a petting zone to you. >> most people can't be racist. >> i know. we're so careful. you don't understand, girls like me -- >> have to pick a side. when i was in college that would have been at that bob. the problem is schools like

ithaca college, they're trying to set up reporting mechanisms. you could post it on the internet. >> exactly. what's so funny, they seem to think that this is going to increase dye along -- the dialogue, then people won't bother talking to each other. >> recently there's a claim of an epidemic of sexual assault on campus and that can be debated. many colleges pass rules. some states pass laws that are supposed to protect women by defining the consent needed before a couple can have sex. california's law says consent must be ongoing throughout a sexual activity. that means i guess a woman must repeatedly say, yes, please proceed? i doubt many young college students do it and you young people in the audience are laughing at it, but it is the

law. it made me think how crazy could this get. as a test we made a printed consent form that college kids would be required to sign before initiating sexual activity. this would have to be signed by the initiating sexual partner and the noninitiating sexual partner. it governs hand holding, kissing, petting. we took this to one of the top ranked universities in the country, columbia university, where we assumed students would laugh at it. few laughed. most of it was serious. >> do you think that colleges involve themselves too much and what goes on in your sex life? >> no. i think they don't involve themselves enough. >> something needs to be done. i think that women need more protection. >> it could come to this. at this rate -- >> now, some women who i know would say, look, women get raped

on campus. >> right. >> what's the harm of these consent laws? >> i'm of the rat call opinion that i want rapists to be put in jail, not kicked out of school. we've taken the wrong attitude about how we handle this. california has a law that says you are dwulty until proven flnt. you can't bring yourself into this. >> notice you taper for it. if you taped a portion of it, that wouldn't necessarily be ongoing consent. so it's an incredibly foolish idea to pass something so broad because it turns everybody into potentially a rapist and then entrust power to only the ones gimty. that's crazy. you say 1400 schools have these requirements. every school in new york and california. >> the kids must laugh.

i can't believe anybody having sex gets repeated consents. >> that's what i find so strange. >> do you believe in -- would you -- is this a good thing? nobody. all right. >> it's such an incredible trust in power. you can find me guilty any time you want, administrators, but i trust you. that's a bad thing. >> thank you, greg. coming up, i'm skeptical about victimhood, this girl has a right to call herself a victim. you'll hear some surprising things from her. [applause]seems like we've hit d block. that reminds me... anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea... ...gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against occasional digestive issues. with three types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'.

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to prevent african-americans from voting. >> they are? blacks are being stopped from voting? bernie sanders says african-american youths are specially victimized and america should spend another trillion dollars to get them jobs and education. look, if there's any group that has the right to claim victimhood in america, it's blacks. years of slavery, government enforced segregation. kyra davis says blacks don't need help but they don't? you don't? >> shockingly, we can actually take care of ourselves. black culture is it probably one of the strongest cultures in america and there's a good case to be made that we're one of the purest forms of real american culture. black culture has become pop culture these days. >> yeah. you've got everything. >> everything. we have everything! [ applause ] >> i mean -- >> all the music.

>> two words, people. kanye west. listen, john, here's my point. black people in this country have literally built america on our backs. we came from nothing. we are the people who had nothing, demanded the right to have what was constitutionally guaranteed, got that, marched, got the right to vote, got the right to work where we want, eat where we want, marry who we want. we did that ourselves. somewhere along the way after the '60s we became a people who looked like, we want to stop doing things for ourselves, other people need to do things for us. and you look at all of the numbers for the black communities have dropped. education rates. marriage rates. kids born -- >> they were going up before the welfare state began. >> absolutely. we don't need government. government has taken more from us than it could have ever given to us. that's really how i -- i used to be a raving socialist, believe it or not. sorry. but that's how i went. i saw the policies --

>> you just saw the problems? >> i did. >> woke up? >> i got the opportunity to serve my community and i ran an after school program in the inner city. i got the opportunity to see how all the policies i supported all my life, how they actually worked when they were applied. i found out they didn't work. we've become victims to the government when the government was supposed to be helping us be self-sufficient. >> let's look at this one graph that gives an example of what you're talking about. how many women have babies out of wedlock when they're young? since the welfare state began fewer than 8% of unmarried minority. before the welfare state began fewer than 8% had babies. then welfare began and lyndon johnson declared war on poverty. ten years later the number of sick women shot up to 25%. the label changes and government changes the categories. the teen birth rate has declined. since then, it was twice as high

before the welfare state. >> i know this isn't a politically correct thing to say, but the truth is that the biggest problem in the black community right now that has spread to every other community is that we don't have our fathers anymore. that is -- [ applause ] >> it's growing in the white community, too. >> that is directly related to the statistic, john. when kids were being born more into two-parent homes, not to teenage mothers, their rates of success skyrocketed. there is no doubt in my mind that the connection to the government coming in and saying, look, ladies -- >> here. >> get you money. here's your cars. you can get your money but you can't have your dude living in the house. you can't have your guy in the house. you can't have a man in the house or we're not going to give you our money. boom, government comes in, the

father, i'm sorry but government is a really crappy dad. >> what about hillary clinton's point at the beginning of the segment. political operatives are preventing blacks from voting. >> my 80-year-old aunt was born without a birth certificate. she likes to live in america. she likes to get her check and cash it at the bank. she's figured out a way to get her i.d. she's 80. anybody else who cannot get -- in california illegal immigrants are getting i.d. if you can't figure out to get an i.d. in this country, that's your problem, not mine. [ applause ] >> thank you, kyra davis. coming up, what my getting beaten up by a professional wrestler taught me about victimhood. but next, a real victim who won't call herself a victim. [ applause ] call herself a victim. call herself a victim. [applause]

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john: there are real victims in the world. there are real victims in the world. 25 million live in what's called the worst place on earth. talking about north korea. no one but the dictator has any freedom. thousands of people are tortured. people eat rodents to survive. in winter people freeze to death. nobody is allowed to leave. the contrast between victimhood in north korea and in america is mind boggling. one person who understands that is yung park. now she's 21. she escaped north korea. for 16 years she had to do amazing things just in order to win. that's the title of her new book, "in order to live."

so what things did you have to do in order to live? >> oh,, it's really undescribeable what i had to do. i had to see dead bodies in the street. >> how did you get food? >> the government stopped providing food after the soviet union collapsed so people had to trade in the black market and that way they could get food. >> yet people worshipped dear leader. >> uh-huh. >> why? >> because they didn't know anything else better. he can read my mind. >> you real will he believed he could read your mind? >> yes, even though after i escaped and even though when i was in china i still defending my dear leader from chinese people. >> all right. here's some tv programming from north korea.

what strikes me watching this is that you would think people really do love king jong-un. the pictures of the people in the audience suggests that they do worship him. >> they have to. >> the regime would decide everything including what you wear? >> yes. what you wear, how your hair looks like, what you're listening to, what you watch. >> government officials would come to your home and say, you must wear this? >> yes. you wear jeans you would get arrested for that. >> but there was a black market and some information would come in? >> yes, from china. >> and you got to see some western movies. >> yes. yes. >> that opened your brain. >> when i was in north korea i was shocked. how come this can exist?

i never thought of dying for love except for the party so it really shocked me. that movie gave me some taste of freedom. >> you and your mother eventually walked to china. >> crossed the river, yes. >> you were how old? >> i was 13 years old. >> in china they sold you into slavery? >> yes, because chinese government if they catch us they would send us back to north korea. you're very vulnerable in china. chinese people know that and they said if you need to chinese farmers, human traffickers, that's what had happened to both of us, my mother and me. >> you were 13. you didn't know what sex was? >> i had no idea. i didn't even know what kissing was. >> you couldn't leave because you would be sent back to north korea? >> yes. that was our only option.

>> for how many years? >> two years. >> and then you escape again. protestant mission ran an underground railroad. >> yes, happy to go to south korea which is walking off the desert. >> but you got to south carolina and that was a shock? >> yes. it was another shock. i didn't really stay for freedom. i thought freedom meant wearing jeans or watching movies without worrying about getting arrested or executed but freedom meant in south carolina, you have to think for yourself. people were asking me, what you think. what you want to do with your life? what do you want? what you favorite color? what you favorite food. tell me what to do. tell me what to wear. >> you started to read backs? >> yeah, because i always have it paid.

i don't have any knowledge for the western culture. they told me you can do it. i saw "animal farm" and that changed my life. i told them and why we had it happen. >> once you were in america this movie came out called the interview and it's really a stupid movie. i don't even find the joe. here's a sample scene. >> nice tank. is that real? >> it was a gift to my grandfather from stalin. >> so, you went to see this movie. >> i went the very first day. i think it was christmas day. i was amazed at the freedom. i can watch a movie making fun of kim jong-un.

yeah, think about it [ applause ] >> if i was in north korea i would be executed over this. i'm in new york, the united states. >> you've watched the rest of tonight's show and you've seen people talking about they're a victim, they don't get paid enough. do you think you're a victim? >> no, i'm not. >> you went through a horrible thing. [ applause ] >> thank you. thank you. >> go ahead. >> the things i'm grateful for. the first thing was i was born in north korea and i stayed. >> starving in north korea and being sold as sex slavery, you would do it again? >> yes, i would do that again to be free. >> thank you, yeun. stay with us.

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[ applause ] now it's your turn to ask questions, criticize, cast the rewards. let me just start with facebook. jason turner says real victims don't proclaim themselves victims, they consider themselves survivors. >> the thing is is that people who have really been through significant trauma, like yeun me, the people who are the biggest victims of our society never describe themselves as victims. you never hear people who have gone through the most horrific of experiences talking about themselves as victims [ applause ] >> if i like your question i'll give you a get out of responsibility free card. so who's first here. who has a question. yes, sir? >> my question is for yeun.

did you leave any family members behind when you left nor korea and have you had any contact with family members since leaving? >> yes, i left my father in north korea and then i brought him to china several months later. >> how did you bring him? >> the trafficker told me that i would deal with. he was going to bring my parents back to me. so he paid somebody and got my father. but all my relatives back in north korea and now kim jong-un in north korea, using my relatives and denouncing me. so i'm hoping for the best. >> do you consider yourself a hero? >> no, i'm not. i am -- i get discouraged a lot

so i have biographic and there are great heroes that i respect. those people inspire me every day. >> who's next? yes. >> this question is for kyro. do you think there's any point in the future where african-americans will stop playing this and start showing what they're cape babble of? >> i think in general that victim card thing is going to go away. there's political value in it. i also wonder if harriette tubman could get into a time machine. wait, awesome movie. we might have written the greatest -- >> harriette tubman, time machine. >> if she could read any one by

micro aggression, he would laugh her head scarf off. >> yes, sir. >> my question is also for yeun me. what has been often the black market in north korea and can somebody go and bribe market pe buy dvd's and they buy those kinds of things. they get caught. sometimes they can get out but sometimes they get executed. they cannot wear clothes that have the american branding. they hate americans and they can call americans we have to call them the all american bastard. so that is how much they hate americans. like my math problem was you had four american bastards you kill two of them how many tough left? two american bastards. >> i am worried how the panel is going to end now. >> you are fine. >> that's how much north koreans

educate them our suffering is because of american bastards. >> one final comment from google plus. callaghan talking about most of the victims earlier in the show. they are not victims. they just want handouts. rand paul is going to put an end to the nightmare by eliminating the size of government through capitalism free markets and property rights. >> that sounds awfully optimistic. i am not sure that that will be true any more than if you are a leader and managed to solve the problems in north korea. politicians stand to gain by convincing some people that other people are taking from them and they are the victims of those people. i think it is nearly always it hurts real citizens. >> thank you all. the usual all female terrificl. katherine, you are a young me. coming up, my own meek

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the right wing conspiracy. lindsay lohan drives drunk and breaks parole and shaz she is a victim of cruel and unusual punishment. everyone is inclined to complain. i am a victim. i am a stutterer. sometimes when i speak i get stuck on certain words like b's or d's. i worry if i have to say is this, bsh-b b, b, better? when i fake a stutter is turns into a real one. i fought to over come my stuttering. maybe i would have sued fox demanding they accommodate my disability, give me an off camera job. i am glad today's disability

laws didn't exist because without having them as a clutch i pushed through mastered speaking and i am here. things are good. i was there was a day i was saying pro wrestling was fake and this happened. >> i think it's fake. >> you think it's fake? >> he was 6 foot 6, 260 pounds, that hurt. then he hit me again. afterwards loud noises hurt my ears. i felt like a victim. someone then said that the wrestler's boss told the wrestler to hit me so i sued mcmahon. as part of the lawsuit mcmahon's lawyers demand that i see a doctor that they choose. their doctor told me, i think your ear pain is a jurosomatic illness. i said what? he answered like psychosomatic. you hold on to your pain because you are involved in a lawsuit.

i was furious and i screamed at him. you haven't even examined me and you make this accusation? but guess what? after mcmahon settled the lawsuit my ear pain gradually went away. was the pain jurosomatic? was i holding on to it because litigation kept reminding me i was an angry victim? maybe. as i said the pain did go away once the suit settled. it makes me wonder about the well intended programs made to help disabled people. social security payments went to blind people, people in wheelchairs people who were clearly disabled. people say they are disabled with things like headaches, back pa pain, stress. they spent 46 billion on disability payments in 1990 last year it was more than triple that and the program will soon go broke. the increase in payments makes no sense. medicine has improved since 1990

and people do less hard manual labor. there should be fewer disabled people not more. man p many people suffering from headaches and back pains lying? is it jurosomatic pain or government handout-omatic pain? i know when you reward something you get more of it most of us sometimes feel sorry for ourselves, feel like a victim. we encourage people to be victims. 200 some years ago they went through the prairie knowing they would suffer or die they were proud of getting there not suffering. living confronts the weaknesses the failings we have. that's the stuff of life. that is our show.

see you next week. (applause) >> right now on justice nearly four-days since the gcargo ship vanished tonight new clues in the water that could lead to the ship. plus the flooding in south carolina reaches historic proportions. we have live team coverage of the destruction. there is even more pain to come. >> i wish you could be president. >> me, too. >> keep dreaming the democratic frontrunner yucks it up on "saturday night live" while i mix it up with one of her top supporters right here. justice starts