u.s. since '99, they have no plans to enrich or prosper uranium. what they're saying to the congressman is he is wrong, they are right. marco rubio tomorrow. hello, everyone, i'm dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, geraldo rivera and this is "the five." america has raised serious concerns about hillary clinton's honesty, judgme and judgment. clinton has been labeling the investigation as politically motivated. >> i think it's clear that whatever they thought they might have been doing, they ended up becoming a partisan arm of the republican national committee with an overwhelming focus on

trying to, as they admitted, drive down my poll numbers. i will do my best to answer their questions, but i don't really know what their objective is right now. >> the chairman of the panel strongly disagreed with her claim, but they've called on fellow republicans to keep quiet. >> i guess if there is a presidential campaign going on, i have told my own republican colleagues and friends, shut up talking about things that you don't know anything about. unless you're on the committee, you have no idea what we've done, why we've done it and what new facts we have found. the seven members of my committee are much more focused on the four dead americans than we are anyone's presidential aspirations. >> all right. we are here on a monday. we're going to get this week started off right. so, eric, the hearings are meant to investigate and form. it really is the people's court. there's not necessarily a way to win or lose a hearing. you can have a good hearing or a bad hearing.

but if that's the way both sides are going to look at t here's my take on hillary. there is going to be a hearing, you're going to have to show up, so you might as well go there and do the best job you can to convince people there is nothing you did wrong. am i right? >> 100% right. kevin mccarthy, house majority leader, breathed new life into that theory. that's why she did that. she kind of laughed it off now. she called it political theater when questioned about benghazi. benghazi begat hillary's response to e-mail servers. and olivia was outsourced by name on e-mail. she can laugh it off all she wants. kevin mccarthy and the other

bozo from new york, hannah, they can do that all they want. i don't blame trey for being upset. he spent the better part of two years now, and they're kind of giving a get out of benghazi free card that he doesn't deserve. >> i imagine he can't control ish to sign the drem krats on the committee, and he's a math grade integrity. he's very focused on and that is to find the truth t this is a truth fact-finding omission and we would like to have all the information available to us because we don't want there to be things like a partisan witch

go and answer the questions. be clear, be trans parent as you cla claim. you were secretary of state. answer the question. she said when she agreed to do it so there isn't a hearing, anyway. >> i think the fact that this is the eighth hearing, this is the political process, partisan process, as long as aaron wants to forget the prominent republicans that this is a partner hearing whose basic job was. there are seven members of his committee? i got news for you. there's 12 members of that committee, five of them are democrats. the fact he on-- it's an indica.

>> indication of what? >> where we're going with this thing. >> there are 7 democrats and 5 republicans on this thing. >> your committee, at least in theory, wouldn't the american voter like to think that a congressional inquiry is a bipartisan search for truth? >> who believes that now, that this is an object? >> if they properly opine on this, you assume that everything is nefarious and there is no goodwill, fact-finding inquiry, and i beg to differ.

>> i think in libya, obama ruled from behind. why wasn't the military in the -- in the middle east. >> they can't hear either of you when you talk at the same time. >> then they blamed it on a youtube video. so the committee is not driving her numbers down, she's driving her own numbers down. she was the one, like eric said, to set up a secret server. she was the one to destroy e-mails, and she was the one to go out and lie about it. it's like nixon coming out and blaming the democrats on the watergate committee. she's out there talking to the press, and they're out there giving her a round of applause. then ben carson tells the truth and they say, if you, ben carson. >> the one lie i cannot abide is the statement that president clinton left ambassador stevens

and the other three heroes behind to die. that is a slander on the united states government and the united states military. >> why couldn't their guys, geraldo? >> kimberly makes an eloquent. this is a subjective search for the truth. then you say, they left people behind to die. >> they didn't paint her the proper military posture. that's not good, geraldo. >> you changed the question. you said she left him behind to die. >> she asked for up to 13 security guards. he was denied it. he died subsequent to that. how much time passed between the request for security and his

death. >> we can rehash all this as. what's important is we get our hands on the e-mails so we find out about these things, like -- the name of the libyan contact source, i'll deal with that. >> you should deal with that. >> stop, stop. we talked about this quite a bit. by outing the name of that source, what hillary clinton has done is gross negligence which she could be held accountable for. am i right? >> i think you're wrong. >> well, here's the thing. we're having this discussion because people want some answers, and the purpose of the committee and the hearing is to get some answers, so i think we can afford it. let's move on to another topic.

this week there was an ap-exclusive story about the state of cyber security on hillary clinton's watch which was apparently abysmal. that's not from the right wing, this is from the government's own report of looking at all the agencies like they should do. again, kimberly, you see that a teenage hacker was able to get into the aol account of the current director. this may not be a problem in just one place but across the government. >> there is potential it could be systemic, but you hear this and you just kind of hang your head. i don't like to hang my head, i like to hold it up. the cia is supposed to be the superdogs runs the best show in the business, and when you see it's been compromised albeit with a personal account, that shouldn't be happening. let's be honest. 17 years of age. the things kids do nowadays.

>> eric, i want to ask you something -- >> it's not just the government that's suffering, and tens of millions of dollars are being spent by corporations trying to stay ahead of attacks. it's kind of a losing game. if the government could get it back together, maybe the rest of america would benefit. >> and this is yits important to keep questioning hillary clinton on these e-mails. if they're able to attack the cia directors' e-mail account, who is to say they don't have 80,000 e-mails that were written via her private server? remember when president obama got into office, he loved his blackberry, and they said, no, you can't have a blackberry, it's not secure enough. he said, no, i want my blackberry. so they made it so only 12 people had the same encryption.

he knew that the risks were so immense that he would take that out of his system and just use a essential blackberry. she didn't. she used a blackberry and a pad. >> i want to leave it. i don't want to obnoxiously beat this dead horse. but the problem with focusing so whether we're making the blatantly false statement that the united states of america could have done something to save those people and did not -- >> i'm not saying there was a stand-down order. it -- what i am saying is there's plenty, after the tragedy of 9/11. but first, it seems to me that many people have to get over the

fact that we sold a bill of goods to the american people, and worst of all, to the families of those four who died that something could have been done to save them that was not done. and that is so false. >> even worse is that they lied and actually said they blamed the video, and that's the question i want to see answered. i would just love to know who pushed the video. that's the question that actually gets, i think, to the very heart of all of this. >> greg would be proud of you. >> that was in honor of greg, although i did mace make tke ths in the video. a brand new video for sanders on "saturday night live."

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it makes no sense. i don't have a superpac, i don't even have a backpack. i carry my stuff around loose in my arms like a professor, you know, between classes. i own one pair of underwear, that's it. some of these billionaires, they got three, four pairs. who do you want as president, one of these washington insiders or a guy who has one pair of clean underwear that he dries on a radiator? >> that was perfect. another comedian feeling the burn, bill maher tried to dem demonize socialization alongside bernie. >> i don't think most americans realize they're already socialists. >> in certain respects. >> even the republicans are not for income and equality. socialism is the programs they already like. they like social security. that's socialism.

we ha >> we have to make the movement, if you like, to correlate what we're talking about. because on every one of the major issues i am talking about, the american people agree. >> on what planet are we living on? wasn't socialism an insult? >> i can't follow. but when he says on every major issue, are we talking that all the people agree? >> erroneous. >> i'm a little lost for words. >> larry david, perfect. here's the point. disability insurance, unemployment insurance, social security. you know, there are a million -- medicare, medicaid, that's all socialism. we are a mix of socialism and capitalism. why bernie sanders scares us is a constant attack from the people that generate the money

for socialism to be able to be paid for. >> socialism is liberation on steroids. it sounds good to people who want stuff, but the only problem is the pay for part of it. >> yeah, they're missing a daddy to pay the bills, that's the problem. can't just keep handing out all this free stuff. this is one of the big problems with government roight now is bloated bureaucracy and just running amok. he loves all the socialist and communist regimes out there. no, the american people are not greeg with him. >> are you shocked there is this much ground swell organic movement for bernie sanders? >> i think it shows just how kooky the republican party is. americans would rather have a gay guy, a muslim or an atheist president over a socialist. >> how happy that makes him,

right? >> yes. and the other thing is, if you look at bernie sanders' policy, he didn't think the trillion-dollar stimulus was enough. he wants to raise taxes on 9% of the wealthy. obama already tried that. he thinks obamacare is too conservative. he wants to empty gitmo. this guy is totally ridiculous. >> socialism is what you call it when someone else is gelgt the benefit and you are not. when you're getting the benefit, it's great american patriotism. i deserved the social security, i deserved the disability. >> it would be socialism, wouldn't it, sort of? >> it's the government taking care of you. >> socialism only works until rich people don't exist anymore, then you can't pay for stuff. >> he wants, like, socialism on viagra. that's what he wants. he doesn't even think it's good the way it is, he wants to pump

it up. >> that was very hard to follow, k. g. but i think one of the reasons he might say the american people agrees is that there is confusion. he actually campaigned on increasing social security payments but without talking. when hillary clinton mentioned the other night on the debate that she wanted to see socialism into the fought. there's not many people taking it seriously. sanders says he's about to deliver a major speech soon to describe conservatism. this is a guy impressed by the

sa sandanistas. >> i am touched by the sincerity. you don't fight and lose your family and get tortured to go to jail for years. paz more of the m-- all the cubn people are going to rise up in rebellion against fidel castro. he totally transformed the health care society. >> this is one of bernie sanders' heroes. >> i don't like him. i covered the civil war. it's an oppressive regime. his idea is an idea i've had for many years. how do you socialize. whatever money you make, you pay

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. on friday, donald trump places partial blame on president bush for 9/11 because it happened on his watch. jeb bush hit right back on twitter and again yesterday. >> my brother responded to a crisis and he did it as you hope a president would do. he united the country, he organized our country and he kept us safe. and there is no denying that. the great majority of americans believe that. >> do you feel comfortable with donald trump's hand on the nation's nuclear codes?

>> i have great doubts, to be honest with you, and it's only because of things he says. he's not taking the responsibility of the possibility of being president of the united states really seriously. for him it looks as though he's an actor playing the role of a candidate for president. >> he suggested the attack might not have happened if he had been president. >> jeb said, we were safe with my brother. we were safe. well, the world trade center just fell down. am i blaming him? i'm not blaming anybody, but the world trade center just fell down. >> how different would you have been? >> i would have been different, i tell you. i am extremely tough on immigration. i am extremely tough on people coming to this country. i bet if i were running things, i doubt those people would have been in the country. >> that's a very strong assertion. your mouth is open. >> i don't believe that -- donald, i love him, but he's not correct there. all 19 hijackers were in the country legally when they got

here. of the 19, all of them, by the way, sunni muslim extremists, 15 from saudi arabia. of the 19 who were here, three overstayed their legal visas, so 16 of the 19 were still legal on 9/11. i don't know how, even if an extremely tough immigration policy would have kept out people, 16 of the 19 were here legally on the day they committed this atrocious mass murder. >> they had a piece out today saying that jeb bush wrote in his book in 2013 that part of the reason for the 9/11 attackers being here in the first place was an immigration issue. i don't know if it's true or not. however, donald trump is being provocative. donald trump is the best show on earth. donald trump knows how to get the audience, knows how to get people talking about him, and what he did was he got jeb bush to bite on something. if jeb had just said, that's

crazy talk and moved on, we wouldn't be doing this right now. the aftermath of all of this benefits donald trump. it hasn't benefited jeb bush. he's trying to raise money on it, but it does no good to get in the mud on this when comments are made. that's not the way you'll beat donald trump or move up the ladder or get more eyeballs. the way i would do it if i was him is with more policy, more smart policy. you don't beat donald trump at his game. >> maybe he feels a sense of loyalty and obligation to actually state what he believes the record should be and defend. i've never had a problem with somebody defending their family by saying, okay, listen, i believe our brother kept us safe. >>. >> i don't believe donald trump is a 9/11 truther. what he's saying is 9/11

happened on president bush's watch, but he knows he put the field together to fight the terrorists. if you want to blame somebody, you can blame bill clinton. tu trump has now turned this around and come out on top because of immigration and iraq. he ties jeb to his brother and he brings up iraq. what did bush do after 9/11? he goes to iraq. he couldn't answer the "i love iraq sthoo ". >> immigration is his strength and jeb's weakness. i don't know how he did this. this doesn't make the republican party look good. it makes trump look good, though. >> i think it's a dismal theory when you have a liberal conspiracy theme. it is soft truism.

it is what it is. it's like a soft racism. you put it out there for a reason because i guess you want to be provocative. even if none of the facts add up, as geraldo pointed out, on the immigration points. >> the other thing is ben carson made some loopy comments about he would have, in eight months, gotten america off of certain foreign oil, because the hijackers would not have continued because we wouldn't need saudi arabia anymore. but bin laden and the saudis were at war. here's what i'm going to ask about these two republican front runners. at some point when you're so great, don't you think you want to start consolidating your wins and not alienate everybody who clapped for jeb bush at the debate. it was for a republican that isn't even there. don't you, at some point, i

think, and maybe --. i think that actually goes up. i don't see why he doesn't take an opportunity why don't you try to convince me that you want me as your president? i don't see it. >> you have the there are notice. >> only the farthest right lunatic knows where the truth hurts. you have sane people actually having to spend time talking about this. >> there are legitimate ways to

avoid it. i think donald went to. the 9/11 commission report. great book. i believe everybody who wants -- i got in trouble in church on hannity, because i said "the president messed up." >> george bush kept us safe. we said it like that, i agree with you, and we -- >> by the truthers. >> -- and truthers who weren't saying that. after 9/11. that's a definite figure.

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waiting for joe b. the question of whether vice president joe biden is running is still the biggest question so far. while i still do not see him doing it, a source close to the vice president says he's getting in it to win it and soon, maybe even before hillary clinton testifies before the benghazi committee on thursday, whatever time that's going to be. what does it mean for secretary clinton if he gets in? for that matter, what does it mean for the republican contenders and does biden even

have a chance this late in the game? obama's former top political strategist has his doubts. >> he's late in terms of raising money. it's difficult to put organization together. he's got real challenges ahead if he gets into the race. he's talented, he's got a lot to offer, but it's a hard road forward if he decides to go. i also think particularly within the democratic community there is a growing impatience with this period of reflection. >> are you impatient, kimberly? hasn't he dallied long enough? >> i would say i'm more excited than impatient. i think it would be a real race. he has every right to run. i don't like the idea of him being bullied not to run. if he wants to run, he's more than entitled and qualified. run for president of the united

states, do what's in your heart. he certainly has served his country well. i'm encouraging fresh and honest debate. let him go and take on hillary clinton. i think it would be fantastic. >> come on, eric. he's been thinking about running for president since 1987, at least, or 1988. so it's not like it just suddenly occurred to him, hey, should i run for president or not? the guy has had plenty of time to mull over -- i heard a jackie mason bit. if he can't decide whether to run with president, what's he going to do when it's time to deal with putin? >> i think he would have jumped in by now if the kevin mccarthy thing hadn't happened, and that gave hillary clinton wind in her sails, but when she let me off the hook when the whole scandal with putin was going on, i think biden was saying, this is not how it's supposed to be right

here, right now. maybe he's making sure he has the money to go forward. you guys realize it's a done deal. it doesn't matter when he gooz or not. . i did get a call from one guy who said president obama was about to throw hillary under the bus. >> i haven't heard that, but my light.tic sources are still >> do you want to be president of the united states? do you have a bigger vision to run for the country? you should, and you shouldn't want to just do it for vanity. the other thing is, which is about conventional wisdom.

this entire election is about people being wrong. if it, and then they can move on. i think that he might be able to do it. but in your opening, i had another thought. you said he might do this before hillary clinton to cover ensed of the benghazi attack. >> this is a guy that is deciding whether he wants to be a 73-year-old or the immediate darli darling. the debate with hillary, started

groping her comrades. >> he does better and better in head-to-head competitions, and hillary didn't have a big swell in her numbers. >> i'm just as white as hillary. >> i want to correct a factual mistake i made earlier in the program. it was the simosa government that killed bill stewart out of stand na scandinavia news. i am constantly challenged. did i interrupt you? >> no. we're all razzing you. should a-rod -- a-rod is now working at fox sports. he saw a football like it.

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that's right, the colts lost to the patriots. the team argued the dumbest play of all time late in the third quarter.

here's what happened. >> on a fourth down and 3, you got griff whalen ready to take the snap. colt anderson is behind him -- what in the world? flag is down. >> yeah, you saw that right. down just six, indianapolis tried a ridiculous fake punt and eventually won the game. that might have been the dumbest thing i've seen since the butt fumble. do you remember the butt fumble? >> i remember the butt fumble. what happened here was an attempt to be cute. that's a college play. i've seen that play a hundred times. >> you've seen that formation? >> yeah. >> how many times have you seen it work?

>> what's with the space between nine guys and those two guys? >> the point is you're going up against the patriots, the best team in the last two years, they're not going to get caught in a bad college formation stunt. i'm sure some coordinator said, let's try this. we practiced this twice. >> the coach goes, why did you snap it? he never should have snapped that ball. >> what was he going to do it once he got it in that formation? >> you call a time-out and then you go back and get a normal formation. >> i don't understand how -- >> we're going to move on from the worst play to the worst throw in football by a-rod. >> can you hit him on the other

side? >> when there is a big sporting event, eric will throw the ball with the stage manager. if we would have done that, we would have been in a lot of trouble. >> that guy had a cannon right there. >> oh, please. >> don't be a hater! >> my wife thinks she's amazingly beautiful. >> really? >> if the guy was taller, maybe he could have caught that. >> i once had a staffer throw a ball from one end of the plaza to the other at fox & friends. i said, can you hit that sign? there was a sign in the window. and as he did, i thought, he's going to break that window and i'm going to have to pay for it. >> did he hit it?

>> he did and it didn't break. >> one more thing is up next.

time now for one more thing. eric, kick us off. >> i saw this on friday's jake t tapper's show. he was interviewing hillary clinton. the fbi is really ticked off at president obama and hillary clinton for undermining, trying

to make fun of their investigation into the e-mails. watch how she responds to tapper's question. >> i know bernie sanders said, quote, the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. but there are a lot of people who are not, including fbi officials looking into whether national security was compromised because of this server. really not funny. can you imagine president clinton and the fbi after that? >> oh, my god. but this is amazing. i love the men and women who serve in blue, and this is a photo that the police department hosted of one of their baby girl's. she wanted a picture of herself in uniform with her daddy in

uniform. just remember, when you see the men and women out there serving, they have families they want to come home to, too. >> tu-tu. get it? geraldo. >> friday was my adorable, loving mom's 96th birthday. she had some problems, she had fallen and broken some bones. people said she was finished. she came right back. here she is with my sister sharon. we took her out to dinner. she's so vivacious. she was sharing a little drink with the mustache mug. she's got all kinds of children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, soon to have great-great grandchildren. she's the moth >> what's her secret? >> she's the mother of five, has pretty good habits. full of love and family.

college football craziness over the weekend. two top 15 teams squared off. we had michigan versus michigan state. watch how this game ends. >> whoa, he has trouble with the snap! and the ball is free! it's picked up by michigan state! jaylen jackson, and he scores in the last play of the game! >> the coach from michigan decides to punt with five seconds left, fourth and 3. they end up scoring. it was such a crazy ending, a fan in the stadium had a heart attack. we hope he's okay. >> did the. >> announcer: -- announcer have a heart attack, too? who was he a fan for? >> michigan. i want to point you into another book recommendation because you know i love that. over the summer i got a chance to read this, "extreme

ownership." it is about their lessons of the battle of romadi. it's a great read for young professionals, managers and also parents. set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is next. texas pulls the plug on planned parenthood. this is "special report." good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. there is new serious fallout tonight over the images of planned parenthood officials apparently negotiating the sale of leftover parts from aborted babies. texas is yanking government funding from the abortion provider, a move that has already set off a war of words and is destined for a courtroom. chief leading correspondent shannon bream has tonight's top story. >> reporter: texas is putting every planned parenthood