up next the o'reilly factor. do not miss a special late live lineup starting with sean hannity at 10:00 p.m. donald trump and senator ted cruz. good night from new york. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm bill o'reilly. welcome to a fox news political special. for this hour we will replay some of our most compelling interviews with powerful politicians in addition, we will analyze the what the republican con tenders for president must do to win the nomination. so, we begin the special with the guy who knows the field perhaps as well as anyone in the country. bret baier the anchor of "special report" joins us now from washington. so you do this all the time. i mean you do this all the time. have you interviewed all the republican candidates, bret he? >> i have. every one. >> every one. okay. so let's put carson and

trump aside for now. the rest of them are conventional candidates, holding office trying to do it the conventional way. do you see anybody trying to break out. >> i think this debate sets up the different lanes. a lot of people are looking at this in two lanes. there is the lane of the more establishment, more traditional candidates. the jeb bush, marco rubio, the john kasich, chris christie even carly carlie foren sort of hits that lane. winning that lane is really the goal for those people. you could see a lot of back and forth between rubio and bush over the past few days. and they are trying to win that lane. now, in the other lane, take carson and trump aside, you have huckabee, paul, and ted cruz. and ted cruz is really on the ground in all of these early states, has a lot of organization. believes that he can win that lane taking trump and

carson off the top. they are leading significantly. >> i had this discussion with kirsten powers, yesterday. there is no indication to me that either carson or trump are going to fall down you can make an argument that trump peaked. but if he has a very good debate he comes right back. in certainly his style still commands attention it. carson has astounded everybody. who thought car on? a cbs poll would be be beating everybody at this juncture it. i don't think everybody did you. you did, right? >> i didn't know it. he has really surpassed expectations for i think even the carson campaign. >> he is starting to spend money on the air. and dr. carson in the debate it will be interesting to see how he approaches it low key style, bill.

as you know in ohio he was largely silent back and forth but then dismounted with some humor and really took off from there. >> well, when you have a guy like carson, who people like and likability is important. of all of the candidates in the republican fields, i think his style is the most likeable. would you agree with that. >> 8% likability. that's insane for any politician. right. so you start there. he looks like an honest man. is he likeable he has a strong spiritual sense that he is not afraid to show. that gives evangelicals and other religioused based traditional conservatives an impetus to vote for him. he is doing everything right. but then when you get over to the fact can he go up against putin? does he understand the dynamic of terrorism and how it's all interlocked now, you then get into a barack obama situation where we the people did give power to a

relatively inexperienced politician and look what happened. so, you know, it's a real dicey game right now it really is similar thing for rubio and that's what jeb bush has been hitting him on that he is a first-term senator and the bush campaign saying we have done that before. rubio has performed well in these past debates and look for him to try to shine in this debate as well. i think the biggest person who has to make a move is probably bush. because he has had a number of bad days. >> how is he ever going to make a move? i mean, this week he gets battered by the press for, you know, cutting back his campaign. he looks like he is not in control. how in god's name in a debate up against the world series is governor bush going to make a move? i mean, unless he comes out there with, you know, a german shepherd that attacks trump, i mean, what is he going to do? >> he is going to have to have a number of big

moments, interchanges that he wins the moment. >> yeah. >> and then that becomes the story line of the debate. but, i agree with you. it is becoming an uphill battle for him to put these points on the board each debate. >> yeah. i mean, because the press is never going to give governor bush a break. because he is a bush. >> right. >> they are never going to give him a break. even if he is good there. you know. he would have to be exceptional and dominate and that goes against kind of his reflective personality. last word. >> yeah. well, i think you are right. i think his bar is higher and he is really going to have to excel in some way. i do think carly fiorina has also seen a dropoff. but it seems like each debate, bill, she gets this infusion because -- >> -- yeah, she is firsty. >> and you might see that again. >> now, bret is going to come back with us at is 1:00 for the live after the debate situation. and we appreciate it as

always. >> all right. >> next up, bernie goldberg on the g.o.p. contenders. then, later, g.o.p. hopeful donald trump lays out his plan for how he will fix the u.s.a. >> i have been dealing with politicians all my life. they are all talk, no action. i get things done. better than anybody. when i tell somebody to do something, i'm not going to get a lobbyist calling me the next day saying please don't do that even though it's good for america. >> you have got to go through. >> and i have been going through them all my life. i have been dealing with them all my life. >> don't miss this one. (vo) what does the world run on? it runs on optimism. it's what sparks ideas. moves the world forward. invest with those who see the world as unstoppable. who have the curiosity to look beyond the expected and the conviction to be in it for the long term. oppenheimerfunds believes that's the right way to invest... ...in this big, bold, beautiful world.

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voter anger and alienation or they are finished. okay. but here is the rest of that story. that anger and alienation has produced two frontrunners. donald trump and ben carson. and if either of them wins the nomination. i think there is a good chance we will be be seeing hillary clinton as the next president of the united states. because donald trump as you and i have discussed before is like howard cosell. is he would like by a lot of people but he has very high unfavorables and that won't bode well in a general election. ben carson is widely liked. i think he could win easily if it were a mr. congenialality contest. but is he running for president of the united states. and when the democrats rupp ads saying he is against abortion even when the pregnancy is the result of incest and when they run news clippings of him saying america is like nazi,

germany, is he done. now, i know none of this matters to the evangelicals who love dr. carson. i'm sure he is a very nice guy but most americans in the greater elike tore rat in the electorate aren't going to buy that stuff. i think if either of these guys wins the nomination it's going to be bad news for the republican party. >> all right. now i know it's way off in the future, i'm making that statement today okay. remember, the democratic party has a huge deficit as well with hillary clinton. >> it's called hillary clinton. that's right. >> right. so you are going to see two flawed candidates if any republican, there is no perfect candidate by the way. i get your point because a lot of viewers of fox news, msnbc, cnn, you know, the people who really pay attention to politics, you know, they are interested in their country. a lot of them feel that their belief system is

reflected by many, many people. and sometimes it isn't. >> that is the best point you have made in this calendar year. you are absolutely right about that. it's a mistake that even smart people on talk radio and conservative media make. they -- i mean, that's a brilliant point. they believe that the way they think, the values that are important to them are shared by just about everybody. they are not. >> they are not. and so we live in a divided polarized country and it's getting more so. and being exploited by politicians as well. >> right. but there is the art of persuadability. you see, and i think ben carson has a very persuadable nature. so while you are right, that liberal people will vote for him on the issues that you just raised, i think some traditional i wants. we i think if dr. carson positions himself as the voice of reason, the voice of humanity, the voice of a

resurge in america that it wouldn't be as easy as you think it is to demonize him. >> listen, i understand the argument that a fetus or unborn baby is innocent, even if it got there through incest. i understand that argument. but i don't think the american people are going to be persuaded. >> he is going to have to frame the argument in a different way, which i think i assume he would. now, in trump's capacity, he wants to debate hillary clinton and trump might roll right over her. that would be a real defining moment if it ever happened, would it not? >> well, as we discussed a week or two ago that should be on pay per view. hillary clinton against trump you don't want to miss that one. i don't think and we are speaking in late october 2015, the election is more than a year away, he just think that if he gets the nomination, it ain't

going to go well. >> that's the prevailing wisdom and that's what the beltway people think too. i'm saying -- i don't know. but i'm watching a guy that nobody thought was going to have any chance to dominate the field for three months. and if he gets some decent advisors and he starts to frame the issues in a more specific way, and he gets the debate hillary clinton and just wipes the floor with her. i mean, you know, come on. >> listen, the biggest thing donald trump has going for him is hillary clinton. she is a terrible candidate. wildly perceived as dishonest. >> a lot of independence furious. a lot of libertarians really furious about this. >> if he taps into that then your take on this is more accurate than mine. >> i love that goldberg is going to come back at 11:00 live and his assignment tonight is to look at the moderators and make sure they are not dopey.

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unresolved problem segment tonight debating the issues with president obama. i interviewed the president three times last one was the super bowl 2014 chat. there we pressed him on obamacare and benghazi, among other things. >> i want to get some things on the record. so let's begin with healthcare. >> yes. >> was it the biggest mistake of your presidency to tell the nation over and over if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance? >> oh, bill, you got a long list of my mistakes. >> no really for you, wasn't

that the biggest one? >> this is one that i regret and i said i regretted in part because we put in a grandfather clause in the original law saying that, in fact, you were supposed to be able to keep it obviously didn't cover everybody that we needed to and that's why we changed it so we further grandfathered in folks and many people who thought originally when they got that cancellation notice they couldn't keep it. >> it's in the past but isn't that the biggest mistake? >> you know, bill, as i said,. >> you gave your enemies a lot of fodder for it. >> you were very generous in saying i looked pretty good i have been in the presidency five years. part of reason is i try to focus not on the fumbles but on the next play. >> libya, house armed services testimony, carter ham, you know the general security in africa. he testified on the day that the ambassador was murdered and the three other americans, all right, he told secretary panetta it was a terrorist attack. shortly after general ham said that secretary panetta

came in to you. did he tell you, secretary panetta it was a terrorist attack? >> you know what he told me was that there was an attack on our imownd compound. >> he didn't use the word terror? >> you know, in the heat of the moment, bill, what folks are focused on is what is happening on the ground. do we have eyes on it how can we make sure. >> he just want to get it on the record did he tell you it was a terror attack? >> bill, what he said to me we have got an attack on our compound. >> no terror attack. >> we don't know yet who is doing it understand by definition, bill, when somebody is attacking our compound, that's an act of terror which is how i characterized it the day after it happened. so the question ends up being, who, in fact, was attacking us. >> but it's more than that though because of susan rice. it's more than that because of susan rice goes out and tells the world that it was a spontaneous demonstration off a videotape but your commanders and the secretary of defense know it's a terror attack. just as an american, i'm

just confused. >> and i'm trying to explain it to you if you want to listen. the fact of the matter is that people understood at the time something very dangerous was happening that we were focused on making sure we could do everything we could to protect them. in the aftermath what became clear was that the security was lax. that not all the precautions that needed to be taken were taken. and both myself and secretary clinton and others indicated as much. but at the moment, when these things happen, bill, on the other side of the world, people don't know at the very moment exactly why something like this happens. and when you look at the videotape, of this whole thing unfolding, this is not some systematic, well-organized process. you see. >> it was heavy weapons used and theaption the thing. heavy weapons. >> bill, listen, i have gone through this and we have had had multiple hearings on it. what happens is you have an attack like this taking

place, and you have a mix of folks who are just troublemakers, have you folks who have an ideological agenda. >> all right. >> you have some affiliated with terrorist organizations. you have some that are not. but the main thing that awfuls have you to take away from this is our diplomats are serving in some very dangerous places. >> it's more than that though. >> we have got to make sure that not only have we implemented all the reforms recommended by the independent agency but we also have to make sure that we understand our folks out there are in a hazardous, dangerous situation. >> i think everybody understands that, mr. president. >> actually not everybody does. >> i think they do. >> what ends up happening is we end up creating a political agenda. >> absolutely. and that was my next question. >> democrats and republicans should be unified is trying to figure out how are we going to protect people'. >> i want to get to theist. your detractors believe you did not tell the world it was a terror attack because your campaign didn't want that out. >> bill, think about. >> that's what they believe. >> and they believe it because folks like you are

telling them that. >> no, i'm not telling them that i'm asking you whether you were told it was a terror attack. >> i'm saying that is inaccurate. we revealed to the american people exactly what we understood at the time. the notion that we would hide the ball for political purposes when a week later we all said, in fact, there was a terrorist attack taking place the day after i said it was an act of terror, that wouldn't be a very good coverup. >> all right. i have got to get to theist because i don't know what happened there and i'm hoping maybe you can tell us. douglass showman, former irs chief he was cleared into the white house 157 times. more than any of your cabinet members and more than any other why was he here 157 times. why? >> mr. shulman as the head of the irs is constantly coming in because at the time we were trying to set up the healthcare.gov. and. >> what did he have to do with that? >> the irs was involved inat ths as part of the overall healthcare team. >> so it was all healthcare? >> number two, we have also

got the irs involved when it comes to some of the financial reforms to make sure that we don't have taxpayer funded bailouts in the future. so you have all these different agendas in which the head of the irs is naturally involved. >> did you speak to him a lot yourself? >> i do not recall meeting with him in any of these meetings that are pretty routine meetings. >> okay. so you don't recall seeing shulman. because what some people are saying is that the irs was used, at a logical level in cincinnati, maybe other places. >> absolutely wrong. bill, we do -- that's not what happened. folks, again, have had multiple hearings on this. i mean, these kind of things keep on surfacing, in part, because you and your tv station will promote them. but. >> don't you feel unanswered yes, sir? >> bill, when you actually look at the stuff there have been multiple hearings on it. >> there is no definition on it.

>> 501 c 4 law that people think is confusing. that the folks did not know how to elm plement because it basically says if you are involved. >> no corruption there at all, none. >> that's not what i'm saying. >> i want to know what you are saying you are the leader of the country. no corruption? no? >> there was bone-headed decisions. >> bone headed decisions but no mass corruption? >> not even mass corruption. not even a smidgen of corruption. >> okay. i got a letter from cathy will he master, fresno, california, i said i would read one letter for the folks, all right? >> all right. >> mr. president, why do you feel it's necessary to fundamentally transform the nation that has afforded you so much opportunity and success? >> i don't think we have to fundamentally transform the nation. >> but those are your words. >> i think what we have to do is make sure that here in america if you work hard you can get ahead. bill, you and i benefited from this incredible country of ours in part because there were good jobs out there that paid a good wage.

because you had public schools that functioned well. that we could get scholarships if we didn't come from a wealthy family in order to go to college. >> right. >> that if you worked hard, not only did you have a good job but you also had decent benefits and decent healthcare. >> cutting me off. >> a for a lot of folks we have got to make sure we could everything. people working hard can get into the middle class. >> i know maybe you think we haven't been fair but i think your heart is in the right place. mr. president thanks very much. >> i enjoyed it, thanks. >> plenty more as the factor moves along this evening. now world famous interview between me your humble correspondent and then massachusetts congressman barney frank. >> don't give me any of that we just heard the words. what are you that -- you didn't say that? you want me to play it again for you? >> you didn't listen to it. >> no. i listened to every word you said and i have the transcript right here. >> later, hillary clinton and i debate sanctuary cities. >> going to crack down on sanctuary cities.

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they are not in the best investments these days from the long-term standpoint going back. i think they keep going forward. they are in the housing market. i do think their prospects going forward are very solid and do some things that will improve them. >> shouldn't everybody in the country be angry with you right now? >> no. you misrepresented this consistently. i became chairman of the committee on january 31st, 2007. less than two months later, i did what the republicans hadn't been able to do in 12 years. get through the committee a very tough regulatory bill. and it passed the house in may. i have always felt two things about fannie mae and freddie mac that they had an important role to play but regulation should be improved. >> you still went out in july and said everything is great and to have that a lot of people bought stock and lost everything they had. >> oh no. >> oh yes. >> oh no. >> i said it was a good investment. >> please stop yelling. >> he would just heard the words. what are you you, you didn't say that you? want me to play it again for you? >> you didn't listen to it. >>. no i listened to every word you said and i have the

transcript right here. >> i said it wasn't a good investment. >> yeah and you said going forward we're going to be swell. from august 2007 to august 2008. >> stop the bs here. stop the crap from august 2007 to august 2008. >> here your show. the problem going on your show. >> 90%. 90%. oh, none of this was your fault. oh. no people are millions of dollars. it wasn't your fault. come on, you coward. say the truth. >> what do you mean coward? >> you are a coward. you blame everybody else. you are a coward. >> here's the problem with going on your show. you start ranting and the only way to respond is almost to look as bore irish as you. but here is the facts, i specifically said in the quote that you just played that i didn't think it was a good investment. i wasn't telling nobody to buy stock. i wasn't presiding. i was trying to get the regulations adopted. weave got them adopted in may. >> look. bottom line is you they're two years. the bottom line is stock

drops 90%. any private industry you are out. in any private concern you are out on your butt. but not here in the federal government. you can come in and make every excuse in the world, blame everybody else in the world and then calling me boorish. >> i'm not going to be bull idea by ranting. you can rant all you want but you will not shut me up. the problem we passed in 1994 the bill. >> now we are back to 1994. this is bill. this is why americans don't trust the government. >> no. this is why your stupidity gets in the way of rational discussion. the fact is it was in 1994 that he that we passed the bill to tell the fed to stop the subprime lending. we tried to get them to do testimony the first time we were in power again in 2007, we passed a bill to regulate fanny may. >> you try to put a happy face and now you won't -- >> -- the fact is in the very quote you played i said it's not a good investment. >> you said going forward it's going to be swell. and people under that bought stock in that.

thought it was a good investment. >> no. i said in fact in that quote that you played and didn't listen to because you are busy ranting that it's not a good investment. i said that at the time it i did think we were going to improve things going forward. yes we had some things. >> let me read you your quote here. okay? okay? i do think the prospects going forward are very solid. >> that's after the part about not being good investment. you are distorting that. >> this is what you said. i'm not lying i laid it and i read it? >> what about the part where i said it's not. >> you said it's not the best investment right now but going forward that's going to be solid. people lost millions. >> i didn't say solid, i didn't say well. you distort consistently and you think ranting and raving you don't want to talk about 1994 like no history is relevant. the fact is that you had a problem with an administration conservative. >> it's all the conservatives and the republicans and not you. none on you. >> you won't have a rational discussion. >> that's a joke. >> republican presidential

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thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly. we have interviewed mr. trump plenty of times here on the factor. one of my favorite sitdowns was his announcement a few months ago. if there. >> tell me how you are going to solve these problems. isis? how are you going it defeat isis? >> i would hit them so hard. i would find our proper general. i would find the patton or the mcarthur. i would hit them so hard your head would spin. remember, i sent you the democratic. i said in 2004 we should not go in and do that whole thing with iraq that was a disaster. i said iran will take over and totally destabilize the middle east. there is nobody biggser or better at the it military than i am. >> are you telling me you are going to send american ground troops into syria? >> i'm not telling you anything and the reason i'm not is because if i run and i win i don't want them to know the game plan. >> you have to -- if you want to hit them hard -- >> -- i'm probably going to have to say i have a way that would be very effective with respect to isis. but, when i watch obama get up and talk about in two

weeks we are doing this and in three weeks we are doing that. >> american ground troops into to chase them around? >> take back the oil. once you go over and take back that oil, they have nothing. >> how do you take it back? >> you have to go in. you have to go in. >> with ground troops? >> you bomb the hell out of them and then you encircle it and then you go in and you let mobile go in and great oil companies go. in once you take that oil, they have nothing left. >> you are going to have unintended consequences. you are going to have iraq not wanting you to do this. >> there is no iraq. >> you don't respect them. >> i don't have any respect for them. >> syria, are you going to violate their -- >> -- syria is supposed to be our enemy. iran and russia are protecting syria. it's sort of there that we are in there fighting isis and syria so he would helping the head of syria who is not supposed spo be our friend although he looks better than some of our. maybe syria free zone isis. in order to defeat

identifies sis you have it invade. >> i agree i say you can defeat ease sis by taking their welt. that's their oil. you mentioned iran. would you make the deal. >> i would make a deal but not that deal. that deal allows them to do practically whatever they want. the inspections are are going to to be a disaster. as sure as you are sitting there iran is doing nuclear. they are doing nuclear. >> what do you do with them? >> personally, i would put on the saxes big league. i would double up and triple up the sanctions and make a deal from strength. look, the biggest problem that the world has right nau is nuclear weapons. global warming is not our big problem. our big problems -- it's very important it make nuclear deals. you have to make them from strength not weakness. >> once we have the then then we don't have the strength anymore. the problem be is you will

not going to get cooperation from companies >> you want have obama who wants to play golf. >> you think you could convince. >> that's what i have done i made v. made a fortune where foreign countries. >> what do you with putin. >> he has no respect for our president. he has popularity in russia. they love what he is doing and what he represents. we have a president who is absolutely -- you look at him, the chemistry is so bad between those two people. i was over in moscow two years ago. and i will tell you can get along those people and get along well. you can make deals with those people. >> you can make a deal with putin to stop his edges packages much. i would be willing to it bet i would have a great relationship. deals are people. >> you sound like president

bush he looked into his soul. >> you know you would buy him off: i wouldn't buy him at all. automatic knot saying hundred percent. i will tell you what it's actually important for this country to do that you can't have everybody hating you. the whole world hates us. one of the things i heard for years and years, never drive russia and china together. and obama done that. >> okay. i actually laughed when you said you are going to build this giant wall from san diego to brownsville and the mexicans are going it pay for it it the mexicans aren't going to pay for the wall. >> let me tell you the mexicans are are the new china. >> they're not going to pay for the wall. >> you have to let me handle that okay? >> tell me how you are going it make them pay for the wall. >> they are ripping us so badly. >> okay. tell me. >> i will tell you how. >> tell me. >> i will start charging for their product coming into this country. mexico is living off the united states. >> so you would try to strangle them economically

unless they pay for the wall. >> they will pay for the wall the wall go l. go up and they will start whafing. >> or you will break them economic? >> i will do something they will not be thrilled. chinese hacked into our federal government system. what do you do for them for that? >> you will have to do something with china economically also. we have taken our jobs and taken our manufacturing from us. >> why give it back? >> you know right now we owe china $1.3 trillion. we are paying them interest. >> do to china. >> you say if you don't behave we are going to have to start tacking your goods coming into this country. >> a tariff. >> we don't charge them because we are stupid. >> you real lifs congress is going to have to okay you destroying mexico and okay you putting a inel p tear.

you do you think you will be be getting it through under you? >> that's what they do, bill. >> just lick putin you are going to be able to make him your friendenned soong too? >> i think so. >> let's turn to domestic issues the reason why you make enormous amount of money and other people don't is 'because you are ed kitted. you have kids over in harlem paid parents and terrible public scals. big problem. >> how are you going to fix it. >> they n. worse shape now than they have ever been and we have a black with the. this was thoughts not going to happen ha. you have create sanctions for, kind of bs making more money than sitting back doing nothing. >> that's the federal government creation. you have got to get the private sector. >> you can stimulate through

incentives. you can do tax-free zones. >> but to make the kids learn in school. what incentive are you going to give? >> you have been saying it before you need parents. nothing like parents. nothing like parents. >> can't mandate the parents. >> i would sit down with the best and the brightest. i always happen to think it's one of the most difficult problems that we have but we have a president that in theory should have been focused on this and i'm sure he cares about it but he certainly did a poor job. because if you are an african-american youth right now you are in worse shape than you practically ever wore were in the history of this country. >> culture is driving that. >> tough culture. >> hillary clinton first woman president. war on women. you are going to. >> i laugh when i see it talking about income. all you have to do is take a look at her donor list. >> if you attack her youful be anti-women. >> money i don't lose --

your republican rivals, they are are going to come after you. you know that? >> okay. >> you don't really take criticism all that well. you lash back. >> i lark back. why wouldn't i lash back? well with, now, the president is suppose to have had have some kind of elevation where you everrook some things you are not real goofed at them. >> >> are you going to slash and burn through this republican field. >> i don't have a lot of respect for many of them. >> anybody you respect? >> i don't want to say but yes i do a couple. >> but i will he will did you that i have been dealing with politicians all my life. no talk. no action. never get anything done' controlled by donors oond sperm interests. when i tell somebody is to do something i many not going to get a box. >> i have been dealing with them all my life. this building was not

supposed to get build. this building was supposed to be 18 stories tall and it's it 688 stories tall. i dealt with politicians. i'm going to be honest. i'm not going to slash and burn. you are going to look at bush in the sky. >> i'm not a big fab. last thing we need is another bush. >> you are going to slash and burn? >> all of my life they are all talk. they are no action and they are totally controlled by their donors and by the lyonss. this country, if we have another politician that includes hillary, we have another politician, this country is going down. >> coming up the factor favorite my interview with hillary clinton when she ran for president against then senator barack obama. ♪ ♪ the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm.

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our one and only interview with hillary clinton. we take you back to 2008. >> some people say there's not a big difference between you and barack obama, overall philosophy, overall outlook. it's a democratic, liberal line. but it's the same thing. and it's a personality run. because you're a more polarizing personality than he is. would you agree with that? >> well, i would -- >> see, there's a nicer guy. >> well, i've been around a long time. i bear a lot of the scars and ied logical and political battles. i stand up for what i believe in. the people who disagree with me, it's fair. you know when i started running in new york, people didn't think i could win. and then i come back and win 67% of the vote. i reached across party lines. >> but you're a more polarizing personality. you're like i am, and i hate to

say that, with all due -- and you are. >> i think if you want to take on the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the oil companies, you've got to be tough. and we've got to have a president who's a fighter again. now, will that create some folks who are a little upset? yes. but if we don't get back to fighting for the american people, we're not going to recognize our country. >> now, in new york, you said you were going to improve up state new york and you didn't. and the economy is worse than when you took over eight years ago. just for the record, you've done some good things for the state, but new york -- new yorkers, highest tax in the union. now, look me in the eyes. are you surprised that fox news has been fairer to you than nbc news and a lot of the other liberal news networks? are you surprised? >> i wouldn't expected anything less than a fair and balanced coverage of my campaign. >> now, i know you're being a little -- really. aren't you surprised? >> look, i am not a pundant or a

commentator. i'm running for the tough esz job in the world. and it goes with the territory. i think a lot of people know that there is a campaign of firsts. i've been having a good time, except i want to correct the record on new york. we do have to make some big changes in new york. and i hope we finally get around to doing it. >> last line of questioning. sanctuary cities are angry. many americans. san francisco, los angeles, other cities. won't cooperate with federal immigration law. going to crack down on those state sns. >> i'm going to try to get us to where we have to. >> are you going to crack down? >> no, and i'll tell you why. the reason why i a lot of those folks do it in new york, why do police officered turn a blind eye? they want them to report crimes.

because -- well, sometimes you have two competing values. you want to report crimes, they want to protect people and the violence bill, whatever committee. >> abolish the immigration law. >> no, we've got to fix it. it isn't working. it's broken. i share the frustration. i've voted for tougher border controls. i voted for more money. i'm a hundred per cent in favor of tightening our borders. of enforcing the laws against employers, of going after the kind of abuses that we see in the job market. we have a broken immigration system that has gotten caught up in this political, partisan wrangling. if somebody is picked up, if somebody is in jail, it is perfectly appropriate. >> that's the sanctuary city. yes, they will report. >> no, no, no. sanctuary city goes much further than that. >> that's part of the equation. i believe just like state are trying to protect themselves, if

they pick somebody up, if they've committed a crime, they should be deported or tried for the crime. but we do not -- we do not want to have what some people are advocating, which is that, literally, you have deputized law enforcement going door-to-door. i don't think americans will put up with that for a nano second. and they don't like a broken immigration system. frankly, they don't like demagogues, either. frankly, they'd like this to be solved. >> you saw what happened. the american people said no. >> now, that was a populous thing. bush was mind it. >> he was behind it, but he didn't have any real presidential power left. you've got to say what we're going to do with the 12-14 million people who are here. we need to move for an

extenseble city. >> if you're defining it as letting people out of jail, then i disagree with it. but if you're defining it as we need the police to go out and try to round up folks -- locals right-hand turn going to enforce it because they have to cooperate. >> well, we can reach a fair and balanced approach towards this to protect people from those kinds of violent acts. >> i'm going to let you go because i have to go out and campaign. >> what are you running for? >> i'm running for my life. this is the most fun interview you've ever done. >> it's got to be the most fun interview you've ever done. >> it is -- well, i don't know about that. i interviewed cher one time and that was a blast. it was great. senator, thanks for taking the time. we really appreciate it. >> and we will wrap things up with some personal comments after these announcements. zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. when heartburn strikes, take zantac for faster relief than nexium or your money back. take the zantac it challenge.

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quite the line-up. we hope to see you at 11 cloek eastern time, 8:00 on the west coast. thanks again for watching the special tonight. i am bill o'reilly. we'll see you later. >> breaking tonight with a ebat. we have new polling tonight on a changing republican field. plus, new questions about leadership, immigration and about hillary clinton in a special look at the 2016 race for the white house. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. we begin with a different approach to judge the 2016 race. measuring the voters' opinions on the republic llican candidat rather than having who they would vote for. and dr. ben carson who is second to trump in the polls, those