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agency says it's too soon to make that conclusion though. earlier, russia seemed to downplay reports of terrorism after an isis- affiliated group claimed responsibility. but now james clapper says he cannot rule it out. conor powell is following the breaking news live from our mideast bureau. >> reporter: investigators from egypt, russia and france are taking a look at those black boxes, and they're reportedly in good condition, providing a lot of information. to some questions to the -- so some questions to the many -- the answers to many questions are being sought. airline officials publicly ruled out technical or pilot error saying the plane was in good condition despite the fact it had suffered significant damage several years ago during a hard landing and the only possible cause of the crash was a, quote, external impact. but metro jet officials have

refused to say what could have caused that. reuters is reporting that initial investigation reports that the plane was not struck from the outside, meaning that there was no missile that was fired at it. it was also well above the range that most terrorist analysts think any group in egypt would have the ability to shoot down a plane. sos there is some calling into question of metrojet's external impact claim. though it is possible there was an explosion onboard the plane, and that's possibly what brought it down. we don't know if that was from a mall function of the plane or if it was due to some type of bomb on the plane, that's what investigators are trying to determine right now. now, a group linked to isis is claiming responsibility, but authorities are really at least for now downplaying that link and sort of appear to be ruling out terrorism although it's not clear why they would rule it out. it seems like at this point any option and any information seems plausible enough. now, as the investigation

continues, about 140 or so of the 244 victims, their bodies are now beginning to arrive in russia. families of those victims are providing dna so that investigators can begin to sift through the many, many body parts that are being removed from the scene, and they can get them back into russia so that families can begin the mourning process. vladimir putin, the president of russia, declared yesterday a national day of mourning. flags were at half staff, and there are memorials going up all over both moscow and st. petersburg. so, obviously, russia is beginning to cope and to deal, to mourn this tragic loss as investigators, jon, are trying to piece together what exactly brought down this plane. jon: yeah. another very strange circumstance where a plane reaches cruising altitude and then departs and crashes. conor powell, thank you. so what will investigators be looking for as they try to find the cause of this disaster? we'll talk live with an aviation

expert and international airline pilot just minutes from now. jenna: well, the white house race heating up in iowa with three months to go until the first in the nation caucuses. there's growing tension between marco rubio and jeb bush after the two exchanged words, to of course, the last week's debate. real clear politics saying there are new dynamics in iowa and also going on to write, quote: with three months to go until the first in the nation caucuses and with polls showing 70% of voters still undecided, most of the candidates descended upon iowa over the weekend to either capitalize on momentum from the past debate or try to gain it back. more on this now with "special report" anchor bret baier. that's what's interesting, bret, is really every week starts out different. [laughter] >> yeah, that's right. jenna: how would you describe some of the new dynamics at play within the gop field? >> well, jenna, i think it's fluid. we have to remember that these early polls go up and down.

we have seen two dominant p front runners so far in ben carson and donald trump. we don't know if they're going to be able to stay on at that level, but so far they're holding on to those big leads in those early states. the key thing about early states though like iowa is organization. the iowa caucuses are all about standing in a firehouse someplace, standing up and supporting a candidate. in order to do that at the different counties and different spaces around the state, you have to have real organizational strength. there are only a few campaigns whosoever are exhibiting that. ted cruz is one of them on the ground in iowa. ben carson is starting to build, and i believe he has a significant ground operation. others are on their way up, but it's fluid. it is really fluid. jenna: what do you make of this 70% number of voters still undecided at this point? do you think that's true really across the board in any state you look at? >> it depends on the poll that you look at.

some have made their decision on, first decision, and they have a backup candidate. others say they have three candidates they're looking at, and i think that there is a high undecided figure. i think that that's probably accurate. these early states, obviously, take this very seriously very early -- iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. but you're going to see this process really move forward quickly by mid march. almost all of the delegates will have been decided. jenna: it's worth noting that both ben carson and donald trump weren't in iowa this weekend, and we're seeing as we look at some of their statements, bret, really a division between the field yet again between those that have governed and those who are senators and quite a bit of attacks, sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly, on those who don't show up to work, ie marco rubio, but also governor. chris: toy. what do you -- chris christie.

you see the governors talk about what they've done versus those that have been legislators. >> i think that's what you going to -- you're going to see on the contrast between the governors and the senators. obviously, and i talked about this with senator ted cruz when he was on the show after the debate, making that case, and he makes the case that standing up and preventing bad things from getting through in the senate is what -- he is a fighter. that's what they're arguing. i think you're going to see that play out even more. and, you know, what's interesting, jenna, is that you've got these candidates like jeb bush who are now on jeb bush 3.0, you know? he's giving a speech today in florida saying jeb can fix it. and there is a subtext to that in that many people say it might also apply to the campaign. jenna: it'll be interesting. i saw that great conversation you had with senator ted cruz. he mentioned his web site a few times. apparently be, maybe they'll

come out with t-shirts, but they're just trying to rally up some attention for their causes, and the web sites are a pretty effective way to do it. i want to ask you quickly about the debate meeting, right? there was this big meeting over the weekend. all representatives from the campaigns or at least most of them came together, and what they decided is that they wanted to speak directly, the campaigns with some of the networks that are going to be hosting the debates, and also asking for certain things like mandatory opening and closing statements and equal number of questions for the candidates, preapproval of screen graphics, bret. you, obviously, did the first debate. there's more to come. what do you make of this? >> well, i think the candidates are frustrated. they, that last debate may have been the last straw, and that's why they had this what they called a family meeting with representatives of the campaigns. but with any family, you can't get everybody on the same page. i think that you're going to see some candidates who step out

like kris kristy and carly -- chris chris christie and carly fiorina, but the difference is the tone, the timing and as far as the graphics, i think there was one campaign who said -- and it was the bush campaign -- they had this business experience but not his time as florida governor which, obviously, he's campaigning on. i don't know if it's going to make huge difference, jenna, in the big picture, but it is -- they do have some leverage. if they don't show up, there's no debate. jenna: do you think that could really happen? >> i doubt it. i mean, i really think that they, these debates are moments. and i think that they're going to want to have these moments going forward. the biggest challenge is that there are ten people on the stage. jenna: right. >> if there were five or six, it would be a lot easier the direct tr i am pro-bell, by the way. jenna: meaning? >> the ringer, you know? the bell that tells them when -- jenna: right. i seem to remember there was a lot made of the sound, right? they're going to have to approve

the sound of the bell, bret. we can't go there. there's a certain dynamic in live television that's just live. >> that's right. jenna: even though you can plan questions for everybody, there is that unknown, and that's what makes live television great. >> that's right. jenna: we'll see you tonight, thank you so much. jon: a dallas mother accused of an unthinkable crime. what her daughter says the mom forced her 4-year-old brother to do and the plans she had for the rest of the family. plus, what investigators are focusing on as they search for the cause of that deadly airplane crash in egypt. the commercial pilot and aviation expert gives us his thoughts.

jenna: right now some crime stories we're following for you here on "happening now." some new court action for the missouri man convicted of murdering his life in 2011 as his retrial starts today. the judge ordering it after newly-discovered evidence about his wife's friend who was there at the time and became a beneficiary to her life insurance policy shortly before she was killed.

we'll keep you updated on that. also, the search is on for a pasadena woman last seen thursday night. she was supposed to attend a party but never showed up. her mother says she suffers from depression, and there's been no activity on her cell phone which is very out of character. her car is also missing. police charge a dallas mother with attempted murder after they say she or forced her 4-year-old son to eat ant poisen son. she apparently told her three children she planned to kill them and herself. that little boy is hospitalized, and his condition has been upgraded from critical to stable. jon: back to our top story, the mystery of what brought down a russian airliner in egypt killing everyone onboard. our director of national intelligence, james clapper, just weighed in saying he cannot rule out terrorism after executives with metrojet ruled out technical failure and pilot error. they say something outside the plane caused the crash.

joining us now is d.j. frost, international commercial airline pilot. d.j., the head of the russian safety agency, i'm sorry, of the airline says the company is ruling out a technical fault of the plane or pilot error. is it a little early to be doing that? >> good morning, jon. thank you for having me back, and i believe it is. i believe it is early to be lending any speculation that it's not some technical in that that plane did have a severe tail strike ten yearsing a. they say it was fixed, however, we don't know. we don't know about the records until the investigation continues. jon: just for viewers' information, a trail strike is when the plane comes in with its tail too low and actually slams the tail -- >> right. jon: -- onto the runway before the wheels hit. >> sure. jon: that happened to this plane. they say they repaired it, but when it goes up in the air, if

the tail has not been properly repaired, what are the possible ramifications? >> well, like what happened with japan airlines, went through too many cycles and it wasn't repaired properly, then after a while there could be a catastrophic be failure. so that kind of has me wondering a little bit. of course, a bomb onboard has me wondering. it is the middle east, you know? it is a russian airliner. we don't know what that could be. and i haven't heard this mentioned yet, a an unmanned flying vehicle, a drone at high altitude. some drones can reach up to 30,000 pounds, so they can be pretty big. a couple of these unusual incidents in that, you know, as the investigation continues could lead credence to. jon: there are now a number of occasions in which planes reached cruise altitude, which is supposed to be the safest time of flight, and then all of a sudden departed cruise altitude and hit the ground. i mean, you think of air france 447 which went down into the atlantic on that flight from

brazil, you think of the asian january that plane or asian airplane that went down near java. obviously, the germanwings crash which was apparently pilot-induced, but what's going on that all of these planes are reaching the safest moment of flight and then dropping? >> well, you're absolutely right, jon. that is usually the safest moment in flight. and statistics show either it's the takeoff or landing phase is where most accidents occur. i want people to understand this and keep booking for the holidays. i know the holidays are coming, people are booking on airlines with airbuses. u.s. airlines, the faa is a very safe organization. they overlook the safety of all the u.s. carriers. and keep in mind, this is a foreign carrier, and these incidences are very unusual. and that's why they get the attention that they do. however, we have got to look at each one individually. sometimes it's not just one

factor, there could be many factors coming together that could create a catastrophic event such as this. jon: the aerial view of the wreckage of this plane is, i mean, to me incredible. you can see the wings, you know, virtually intact. it's as though this thing just fell from the sky virtually in one piece. i mean, the wings are still attached. they didn't snap off. something catastrophic had to have happened at altitude, it seems. >> right, jon. and what has me scratching my head also is they said the tail section of the plane was found three miles from the main wreckage. so, obviously, something catastrophic happened in that tail section either to hit it, knock it off or to separate it from the aircraft at that moment. now, of course, at over 30,000 feet the time of consciousness is around ten seconds or less. so unless everybody got on oxygen, they weren't going to make it anyway, and maybe the crew members didn't have enough time either to fully get their wits about them and get their

oxygen masks on to send a distress report. a lot of those things will be looked at as the investigation goes on. and, of course, we cannot jump to any conclusions and start throwing out a lot of things that just might not work either. jon: also worth noting it was a russian-based airline, and the russians don't have the greatest safety record in the area unlike u.s. carriers. as you know. d.j. frost be, good to have you on. >> you're welcome, jon. jenna: in the meantime, the u.s. ramping up operations nearby in syria, but according to one article the u.s. needs to revisit its past. is the move to send troops to syria reminiscent of vietnam? does that comparison work? plus, a well-to-do couple found dead in their connecticut neighborhood. why police say the evidence points to their son as the murder suspect. their beard salve is made from ♪ ♪ sustainable tea tree oil and kale... you, my friend, recognize when a trend has reached critical mass. yes, when others focus on one thing, you see what's coming next.

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jenna: the u.s. is preparing to ramp up the fight against isis by sending special operation forces to syria, or perhaps they're already there. the team will be made up of less 50, quote-unquote, advisers. but a headline in the daily beast reads just 50 years ago the u.s. made the disastrous decision to ramp up its involvement in vietnam. is president obama repeating the same mistake? we're going to talk to someone who can really talk to this, lieutenant colonel bill cowan served more than three years in vietnam as a marine and continues service to our country in a variety of different roles since then. of it's nice to have you, as always, on the program. >> nice to be with you, jenna. thank you for inviting me. jenna: we have some photos i have never seen before of you serving in vietnam, and i want to show our viewers the handsome young man, if you don't mind me saying, that was stationed over there and spent a great deal of time in vietnam. what do you make of this comparison?

we hear it a lot with different wars at different times. how do you think it applies to syria? >> well, look, jenna, you know, we started putting advisers in vietnam in the early '60s. by the mid '60s, we were still not winning that war by all accounts, and we started putting ground troops in. when we look at these 50 advisers going into syria, we have to consider what the ramifications are of some of them getting killed, perhaps some of them getting captured, of us not really having an impact on isis and our determination to degrade and destroy it. all of it kind of leads to the notion that there may be some mission creep going on here if not by this president, then forced on the president that succeeds him. jenna: that was one of the points the article made, this question of whether or not the president now in just a few months or even -- well, next year when there would be a new president almost, that there would be this request for more troops. how do you mitigate that?

and isn't there a part of this decision that we don't know the answer whether or not it's going to be mission creep or something else? >> well, that's true. and also what i just said, i forgot to mention that the russians are over there too, so we don't know how we're going to be deconflicting with anything the russians are doing and what the ramifications are of russia somehow inadvertently or maybe intentionally doing, inflicting casualties on some of our americans. i think the biggest question for a lot of us, particularly those of us who served as advisers, is what is the role of these guys. are they there to be artillery advisers, infantry advise e, intelligence advisers? i think we can assume they're going to be there to at least be forward air controllers and reminding people when you're a forward air controller, you've got to be up there on the front lines in order to be able to spot, identify and target enemy sites out there. so we have all these scenarios, all these situations where we're going to find these u.s. troops out there in harm's way and waiting to see where that's

going to go. you know, none of us, particularly us vietnam vets, we don't want to lose. we want to be pounding isis, doing what's necessary. fifty people are not going to solve our problems over there, and as we piddle around, isis is going to continue to grow, continue to consolidate, continue to recruit and continue to be a problem for us, the united states, in fact, all of the western hemisphere. jenna: what do you think looking back that we can learn from vietnam to not repeat some past mistakes? >> well, you know, that's such a great question because, remember, vietnam did not pose any kind of a real threat to the united states. that was a war over there. this is entirely different. isis is dedicated to destroying us, to getting into europe, doing whatever it can. isis wants to get to the united states and do something to us, and that's their goal and objective. so it's -- we have some kind of responsibility to be doing something against them. but i think most of us would argue if we're going to do something against them, let's really do it. and that doesn't mean we have to

put ground troops down there, it means we train kurds and iraqis and syrians how to call in airstrikes, do it properly and effectively. it means we really bring the full force of our air power to bomb the living heck out of anything that has isis' name on it. we see these parades of isis troops up and down. we know there's training camps, we can videos of it. why -- find videos of it. and how do we get all the members of the coalition, particularly middle eastern members, to do their fair share and get fully engaged on the ground. not just in the air, on the ground against isis. if we can't do all those things, we're going to find ourselves almost being forced into, okay, it's u.s. troops, we have to do the job. jenna: we have file video from syria, very different from the jungles of vietnam and the places you were in. you served for three and a half years there, two and a half years as a, quote-unquote, adviser. you got wounded during that time, and i'm sure you have many stories to tell, colonel cowen. if you could speak directly to

the 50 or fewer advisers that were going into syria, what would you tell those young men? >> well, first thing i'd tell them is i wish i was with them. [laughter] believe me, jenna, i'm still a guy who's committed to combat, and i know what they have to do. look, i have so much respect for our men and women these days, i've made a lot of trips to iraq, i'm sure those 50 people we're putting out there are going to be really good, capable, competent people. they're always going to have to wonder about the troops that they're serving with, because we are trained and experienced and equipped to such high standards, the kurds nowhere close to us, certainly the syrians fighting on our behalf nowhere close. so these guys have their work cut out for them. i'm sure they've going to do -- they're going to do everything they can to influence whatever we can do, whatever they can do to defeat isis, but they've got a tough job. fifty people just barely scratches the surface of what we need in order to accomplish the things we want to do against isis. there's a lot more pieces to it

than just these 50 men and/or women. jenna: colonel cowan, you might get that call. be careful what you wish for. >> i'm waiting for the call, jenna. [laughter] jenna: i know you mean it when you say it, so i appreciate your experience, and we look forward to having you back as always. thank you. >> thank you so much. jon: you know he'd be -- jenna: my money's on colonel cowan every day of the week. jon: hey, a major development in the gop race for the white house. none of these republican candidates for president has received the endorsement of a u.s. senator. but that is about to change. plus, the black lives matter movement making noise on the campaign trail. protesting at a hillary clinton rally. but how are the different candidates responding, and what's the media role in all of this? our panel weighs in.

jon: right now a quick look at what's still to come this hour of "happening now." the black lives matter movement protesting at a recent hillary clinton event. how i the democratic candidate handled it and how her gop counterparts have respond today that movement. also, the media's role in all of it. a couple in an upscale town found dead, their son now charged with murder. but another person is making a court appearance in that case. who else is charged and the impact it could have on the son's case. and a massive bee attack,

one victim stung nearly 300 times. how emergency crews finally stopped this attack. jenna: a crowded gop be presidential field means a lot of competition for endorsements. now one u.s. senator is getting ready to share with us, for the first time, who he'll be backing and why. colorado senator cory gardner joins me now. so we've heard some reports, senator. i'm not going to waste any time, like to give you the opportunity. who are you endorsing today and why? >> well, today i am proud to announce my endorsement of marco rubio to be the next president of the united states. our country needs a new generation of leadership, and i believe that marco rubio presents this nation with the greatest possibilities and opportunities to meet the challenges of the next generation. jenna: i have a lot of questions on that, but you could really come out anytime and say you like marco rubio. why now? >> after the debate in colorado, i thought marco did an excellent job framing what i believe to be what colorado and this country wants, somebody they can be excited about, somebody who is looking forward toward the future, not looking back at the past. somebody who understands that

we're always looking at the next horizon and not trying to go backwards in policies that have failed. if you look at the policies, the campaigns of the democrats, himself, they're just simply trying to argue about how much further deeper into socialism we can go. and i believe marco rubio presents us with the opportunity that americans can be excited about, and that generational opportunity, that generational choice for all of america. jenna: interesting you talk about generational choice. i spoke with jeb bush and his campaign manager last week on this program. they doubled, tripled down really on the complaints about marco rubio. and you've seen or heard of this memo that was leaked from the campaign calling him the gop obama, a young, energetic but fairly inexperienced politician. they say he's the repeat of that. why do you disagree? >> well, again, i think americans make the choice themselves. they've seen clearly performances on the debate stage, and they understand who can better lead this country. this isn't about who is on the ballot on the republican side,

this is about who's going to to be the democrat nominee and the republican nominee. and i believe if we are going to put marco rubio on the ballot, that's our best opportunity to defeat hillary clinton. this is going to be the clinton coronation, and we know that. jenna: so what evidence is there, in your opinion, that senator marco rubio is, in fact, a good leader? what has he produced that you're pointing to that the american people can look at and say, ah, there's the evidence he knows how to lead? >> well, if you dig down into his policies, his policies on higher education, making sure that we have affordable opportunities for everyone, his experience in understanding how the struggles that single mothers face around the country because of his family, the fact that hillary clinton has lived -- claims to have lived a poor life recently in a book that she wrote. marco rubio understands the struggles that every american faces. the fact that marco rubio understands foreign policy. he's been a leader when it comes to issues like north korea, the middle east. he's been a champion for everyday americans who are struggling -- jenna: right. but even you like the broncos, we were talking a little bit

about that on set. even gifted athletes have to practice their craft, and they practice it because they prove to the coaches that when a big game hits, they're going to be able to perform. the same can apply to gifted leaders as well. they have to practice their craft and move people and show evidence that when the big game comes, they're going to be able to perform in that position. and the critics of marco rubio say, listen, he may stand for some good policy points, but he hasn't passed legislation, he hasn't proven that he can get things through government. and, therefore, maybe he needs a little bit more practice. what do you think of that? >> well, look, marco rubio served as speaker of the house of one of the most populace states in our nation. marco rubio was never supposed to beat charlie crist for the united states senate, and he did. marco rubio has risen to the top at the republican debates against very seasoned and accomplished leaders across the country. but what we have with hillary clinton, and this is going to be the comparison, what we have with hillary clinton is decades-old reruns, the same failed policies. a person who believes that the

v.a. problems are simply being made up. a person who believes that uber is hurting our economy instead of growing our economy. marco rubio understands the innovation economy, understands that when we release the innovation and entrepreneurial opportunities for this country, that every american is going to be better off. when we lower taxes on american businesses and individuals, it will allow people the chance to grow and to thrive. and that's really what this is about. this isn't about looking back at past policies that have failed, this is about looking forward. and i think that's the opportunity that marco rubio gives all of this country. jenna: okay, point taken -- >> gives colorado a reason to look forward. jenna: we mentioned you serve in the senate foreign relations committee. what do you think of the complaints of him missing votes and also missing work? >> yeah. i think if you look at others who have run for president, this seems to be a double standard that's taking place right now. senator rubio pointed that out on the debate stage, but also look at what now-president obama performed in the senate in terms of his attendance. the bottom line is a record of

ideas. the bottom line is a plan for how to get this country back on track. it's not about attendance, it's about goals and opportunity to move this nation forward. and there are real americans who are struggling each and every day. people who aren't everyoning what they believe they should been everyoning what they believe -- earning what they believe they should be. marco understands how to open up opportunities. he has policies in place. look, the foreign relations committee i serve with him, he's minute who's championed freedom around the globe x he's going to do an excellent job as the next president of the united states. jenna: is it sort of like high school finishing you miss class, you have to give him his homework, senator gardener? >> no, i think the fact is if you look at some of the other candidates, they're trying to copy off his homework right now. jenna: well, maybe. they'll say, like senator rand paul says, listen, i've placed the votes. our viewers know that debate, so we'll see what they think. it's nice to have you on the program, we look forward to

having you back, and thanks for breaking some news with us today, we appreciate it. jon: a man taken into custody after his parents were found murdered, why police say they already have the motive in this case.

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♪ ♪ jon: well, the black lives matter movement is back in the headlines, becoming a challenge for presidential candidates of both parties. protesters recently interrupted hillary clinton while she was speaking at a historically black university in atlanta. she eventually went on to finish her speech which focused on criminal justice reform and race. what about the media's role in all of this? are they complicit? joining us now, our media panel. tammy bruce is a radio talk show host, also a fox news contributor, alan colmes is host of the alan colmes show nationally syndicated by fox news radio. so these protesters shouted down hillary clinton, wouldn't let

her speak. eventually, they did get quiet and, i guess, left the stage. >> with the help of john lewis, i think, who was there to kind of ease the way a little bit for her. jon: right. he's, obviously, a legend in the civil rights movement. >> sure. and i think she was lucky to have him by her side. and they should let her speak, and she made a very good point. look, you may like what i have to say. if you listen to me as opposed to what we've seen on the other side when chris kristy is basically blaming the movement for the death of cops and saying they went the death of -- they want the death of cops. that's why republicans don't get the black vote, because of statements like that. jon: john lewis said it is unfortunate that they didn't have -- that they didn't listen to the secretary. well, he comes from the time. >> right, yeah. jon: when protesters were loud and got their -- >> it was handled in a very gentle way and no in an arrogant -- and not in an arrogant or dismissive way which is what we're hearing from the

other side. we've had ted cruz speak out against them, christie blames them for the death of police. that's absurd, and that's why the black vote doesn't go to republicans. jon: some say the slogan should say all lives matter or innocent lives matter. >> yeah, look, obviously, this is the first time we've seen a hillary clinton speech get any news because of this dynamic. same with bernie sanders when they went up on the stage and actually stopped one of his speeches. but i think when you're looking at what's going on in society and these marches that chant about wanting cops to be dead, it's not exactly a far stretch here to realize that that's contributing to the attitude and the culture. the problem is when you see this also, it's only a few people. and when it comes to hillary, i think it's even helpful in a way. i agree with alan that, you know, look, she got a lot of applause at that event. but americans, including african-americans especially, who don't want to be associated, they don't like this notion of police are the enemy.

when people are being called in the inner city when police are needed, they're being called by other african-americans who need assistance, this is harming their lives first, and that's the irony. lastly, the big issue is economics, right? in some areas in this country 50% of african-americans are unemployed. you never hear about the economic dynamic, and this is effectively another shiny squirrel to keep that conversation from happening about how liberals have destroyed the economic future of people especially who live in the urban area. >> we're talking about two very separate issues. i know there is a connection between them, but you have people like bernie sanders talking about the death penalty. martin o'malley, by the way, against the death penalty. democratic candidates and obama who has worked to change the sentences for crack versus powder cocaine. >> well, the reason -- jon: you bring up martin o'malley, there are those who say who was mayor of baltimore and later governor started a police crackdown which resulted

in some of the riots that we saw this summer. >> ultimately, not everybody sees it that way. again, because he's against the death penalty unfairly targets black men in this country, and your stance, i think, is relevant in terms of how you deal with the black -- >> i think the immediate thing that affects every black life is the economy and why the justice system becomes so involved in some people's lives because of hopelessness, because of no jobs, because of gangs, because of the breakdown of the family. these are issues when it comes to everyone's lives, especially those who are living below the poverty line. but regardless of your complexion, that's the thing we all relate to. to reduce the argument about black lives mattering only when it comes to prison, i think, is an abandonment of -- >> it's the whole criminal justice system. >> it's the economy. >> once again, look at the economy -- >> that is a result of the economy being so awful. >> look at it now and at the end of the last administration, there's no comparison. >> excuse me. the unemployment rate for african-americans has skyrocketed.

>> a rising tide lifts all boats. you can't say the economy is better than it was, rather, worse than it was when obama came into office. a rising tide lifts all boats. that helps everybody. >> more people out of the work force since 1977, and every african-american watching this program knows what i'm saying is the truth. >> amazing to me that the right wing can find something terrible in an economy where the unemployment rate is much lower than it would be at the end of his first term. >> the point is, it's real life. jon: we'll continue the discussion with these two. always interesting to have you on, alan colmes, tammy bruce. jenna: we're following this story out of connecticut, jon. a couple found dead in an upscale town there. now their son is charged with murder. what police say the motive is, next.

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thank you. [laughter] a woman charged in connection with the deaths of her boyfriend's parents makes her first court appearance today. the bodies of jeffrey and jeanette naven were found outside a vacant home in their upscale connecticut town after they went missing in early august. well, now their son kyle is charged with murder and his girlfriend, jennifer, is charged with conspiracy to commit murder and hindering the prosecution. police say naven wrote he had a, quote, perfect plan to get money for life right before his parents' deaths. our own gregg jarrett is here with the latest. gregg, these cases for police are often difficult to put together. the navens' bodies were just found. >> right. jon: the evidence was pointing toward their son, but until you had a body, you didn't really know if you had a murder case. >> exactly. now they have the bodies, and they also have what's critical,

motive, two kinds of motive; p vengeance, acrimonious, ugly relationship with the parents and sob, but most of all you have greed. and the greed is reflected in text messages between kyle and his girlfriend who allegedly plotted these double murders. here's the first one, we can put it up on the screen. he sends his girlfriend this: solve every single problem and give us a wealthy, amazing life. she replies, i hear ya. it sounds very good, i just don't know. then kyle says, wipe out the infection -- meaning dad -- and get money for life, it's a perfect plan. but it doesn't stop there. the very day that the parents are murdered there's an exchange because dad fears for his life. he sends his son the following text: did you hurt mom in son: no, absolutely not. why would you think? father: i go home and get framed for a murder. oh stop, says the son, and the

father says i'm going to police first. he never did and their bodies were found. jon: and there is significant blood evidence as well in a pickup truck and, i guess, in the home where kyle lived. >> yeah. there's a treasure-trove of blood in the basement of the home where kyle lived. mother and father's dna found there. they did a human knoll test, bloody footprints connecting to the son. and then in the son's pickup truck you've got a bullet hole in the passenger safety strap and the mother's blood next to the bullet hole and a shattered window. jon: the girlfriend is, obviously, going to be pivotal in this case. >> oh, yeah. jon: is this a situation where they offer her some kind of a plea deal to testify against her boyfriend? when she says something like i just don't know in that text that you brought up, that suggests that maybe she wasn't fully onboard with whatever plan was being cooked up. >> it may be, but prosecutors will put her in a room with her lawyer, and they'll say you're

looking at life on a murder, a double murder conspiracy charge. you were in on it. we'll do a deal, you've got an hour to decide. testify against him, we'll ask the judge to reduce your sentence. they'll try to flip her, as it's known. jon: all right. it's a case that has really been generating headlines in connecticut. obviously, a wealthy couple and a lot of money at stake here. we're going to be talking about it in our next hour with our legal panel. gregg jarrett, thank you. jenna. jenna: crews locate the ship wreckage 15,000 feet underwater, why they believe it's the missing cargo ship el bear row that went down last month that we covered so closely. plus, a home reduced to a pile of smoldering rubble in the blink of an eye. what may have caused this dramatic explosion. feel secure in your dentures...

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