so it's over between us, but we're keeping this panel. and the next segment will air this weekend. set your dvr. i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." tonight -- >> you're lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's one thing. >> the 2016 gop candidates squared off in last night's republican debate. >> for those of us who believe that people ought to come to this country legally and we should enforce the law, we're tired of being told it'sent immigrant. >> ted cruz is here tonight with reaction from last night's showdown. and governor chris christie lashed out at hillary clinton. >> wait till you see what hillary clinton will do to this country and drown us in debt. the new jersey governor is here with more. plus one of the most talked about moments from last night's

debate. >> you should let jeb speak. >> ohio governor john kasich also joins us. "hannity" starts right here, right now. welcome to "hannity." the fourth republican debate is now in the books, and tonight many pundits are saying that texas senator ted cruz had one of the strongest performances of the night. he came out swinging on the topic of illegal immigration and more. watch this. >> if republicans join democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose. the politics of it would be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the rio grande. or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press. and i will say for those of us who believe people ought to come to this country legally and we should enforce the law, we're tired of being told it's anti-immigrant. it's offensive. i am the son of an immigrant who

came legally from cuba to seek the american dream. and we can embrace legal immigrations while believing in the rule of law. >> joining us with reaction, the man himself. 2016 republican presidential candidate texas senator ted cruz. i thought you had a huge night last night. congratulations to you. let's go to the number one poll-tested line of the night was that line on immigration that you used. you're tired of it. we're being told we're anti-immigrant. it's offensive. explain more. >> well, sean, thank you. it's great to be with you. you know, i have to say i suspect an awful lot of republicans were having the same reaction i was as we were listening to the debates which is that we saw one republican after another giving an ode to amnesty, one after the other saying how we needed to be compassionate and we needed to just forgive the 12 million who came here illegally and

presumably put them all on a path to citizenship. and i got to say my reaction as i was listening to that, i was just getting angrier and angrier. look, there is nothing compassionate about a bunch of politicians saying i'm so compassionate i'm going to give away your job. that's what they're saying. none of them are losing their jobs, but they're happy to tell working men and women across this country that your job can be taken away by people coming here illegally. >> senator, let me ask you that point. because you're right. the more people that cross the border, more confident, we have 94.5 million americans that are out of the labor force right now. and it also drives down wages. but in is another point. conventional wisdom, we hear this all the time, senator, is that, oh, if republicans are too hard on illegal immigrants, it will cost them the hispanic vote. what is your answer to that? >> that it's utter nonsense. number one, in 2012 when i was

running for senate in texas i won 40% of the hispanic vote at the exact same time that mitt romney was getting clobbered with 27% of the hispanic vote nationwide. when i ran for senator in texas i was unambiguously against amnesty. we can compete in the hispanic community without abandoning our principles. but number two, if we just agree with barack obama and hillary clinton on amnesty, republicans will lose. why? because many of reagan democrats will stay at home, to heck with all of them. they're all in the pocket of the big banks and wall street and the k street and the lobbyists, they don't care about us. the way we win, sean, is we run a populist campaign fighting for working men and women who want to believe again in the promise of america, and we run it against the bipartisan corruption of washington. and i'll say this.

if republicans nominate a candidate who has embraced amnesty, it means we give up that issue in 2016. it means both candidates, the republicans and the democrats will be supporters of amnesty. that is a ticket to losing this general election. >> it's fascinating what emerged last night. one of the things i liked the most about -- you have a few fans back there, senator. one of the things i like last night, i thought the best debate in as much as we got a comparison. people comparing and contrasting economic plans, america's role in the world and foreign policy and on this immigration debate. everybody seemed to agree we've got to secure the border. that never happens. everybody says it will happen. >> yep. >> so let's say we do secure the border, then they have the question of those people that broke our law, didn't respect our sovereignty, what do we do? >> we need to solve this problem one step at a time. you don't have to solve everything at once. that's the fallacy of comprehensive reform. we need to start with actually

securing the borders. and one of the nice things is actually existing federal law is quite ro lubusrobust. it is federal law today that there should be 700 mile of double layered fencing along our southern border. >> where are we? >> the obama administration, we have 30 miles built. if i'm elected president we'll build all 700 miles. what's missing is the presidential will to get it done. >> senator, i agree, but listen, you have been probably the most bold and outspoken against republicans that have been weak and timid and surrendered and especially on obamacare, especially on executive amnesty. >> yeah. >> and my question to you is this now seems to be a battle that the lines are drawn on the more conservative wing of the republican party where you stand as an insurgent that is even hated by establishment types. so for their argument, oh, conservatives can't win a general election, i don't believe that, by the way.

but what is your argument back to that? >> listen, i believe in not following a pat were that doesn't work. every time we nominate a candidate who runs to the mushy middle, we get clobbered. and one thing that is abundantly clear, if we nominate another candidate in the mold of a bob dole or a john mccain or a mitt romney, all of whom are good, honorable, decent men, but what they did didn't work. if we do it again, the same millions of conservatives that stayed home in '08 and '12 will stay home in '16. it doesn't make any sense. i think this election is going to be like 1980, that we're going to win by doing exactly what reagan did, by painting in bold colors, not pale pastels. you give them a reason to vote. one of the reasons i thought last night was such a great debate is we finally saw some

clear policy contrast, whether on amnesty where a bunch of those candidates on stage were embracing amnesty and i was proud to take the other side or whether it was on bailouts. you know, i had an exchange midway through the debate with another candidate who was embracing the idea that we ought to be bailing out wall street and bailing out big banks. it was striking, sean, three, four, five candidates on the stage were asked would you bail out big banks. not a one was willing to answer the question. they bobbed and weaved. that's why i jumped in. you want an answer to that question? the answer to the question is no. we shouldn't be bailing out banks. what about mom and pop and main street? if i'm president, there will be no bailouts for the rich and powerful. >> stay right there. when we come back, we'll ask you about foreign policy questions that came up last night, economic questions, more with senator cruz after the break. also coming up tonight -- >> washington is fundamentally corrupt.

there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. >> senator cruz explained his tax plan last night. we'll ask him about it. and ohio governor john kasich and new jersey governor chris christie are here.

i'm will carr. a massive storm system is sweeping across the central section of the united states tonight. we've seen twisters and violent thunderstorms in the midwest and heavy snow dumped on the rockies. parts of colorado have already seen a foot of snow. a student arrested in connection with online threats against blacks at the university of missouri. 19-year-old hunter park who is being held without bond is being

charged with making a terrorist threat. racial tensions at the school prompted angry protests which led to the school's president and chancellor to resign. we're learning more about the nine victims on board a private jet that crashed into an apartment building in akron, ohio. police say the impact killed everyone on board including both pilots. all seven passengers worked for a real estate company based in florida. i'm will carr. now let's get you back to "hannity." washington is fundamentally corrupt. there are more words in the irs code than there are in the bible. and not a one of them is as good. my simple flat tax says that for a family of four, for the first $36,000 you earn you pay no taxes whatsoever. above that every american pays 10% across the board. a flat fair tax which means that no longer do you have hedge fund billionaires paying a lower tax

rate than their secretaries. this plan eliminates the payroll tax, eliminates the death tax, eliminates the corporate income tax and it abolishes the irs. >> that was senator ted cruz during last night's gop debate vowing to eliminate the irs as part of his comprehensive tax plan. i think we now know after these last two debates, you are the national champion from harvard in debating. i think these two debates have been very good for you, senator. let me give you an opportunity because so many americans are suffering. nearly 95 million americans out of the labor force, 46 million on food stamps, 50 million in poverty, median income down, health care costs going up. really, really hard times. >> right. >> i want to give you the time to explain this plan so people understand it. >> well, my simple flat tax is exactly what it says. it's a flat tax of 10% for everybody. what it would produce is incredible economic growth, a

nonpartisan tax foundation estimates that this would produce 4.9 million new jobs. that this would increase capital investments, things like new factories by 44% and that the after-tax income of every single income group in america would go up by double digits, at least 14%. now what does that mean? that means if you're a single mom, if you're working making $40,000 a year, that's about an extra $5,000 in cash in your pocket to feed your kids, to help make ends meet. and what's critical, you know, you look at young people coming out of school right now. and they're scared, they're demoralized, they've got student loans up to their eyeballs. they don't know if they're going to get a job. tax reform is an incredibly potent tool to reduce economic growth and to give back -- the last time we faced this kind of stagnancy was under jimmy carter in the 1970s. what did reagan do? he came in with a massive tax

reform plan and it prompted incredible economic growth. >> john kasich will be on later. he didn't mention you by name, so i don't know if he was talking about you, but he seemed to be making the case that these are not revenue neutral, that some of these promises that some of the candidates are making are sort of pie in the sky. explain the revenue side of this coming into the government and how is it revenue neutral, et cetera. >> right. the revenue side of this and all the numbers are on our website at tedcruz.org. if you want the look at the numbers, tedcruz.org. over ten years federal tax revenue on a static basis, which is not counting for growth, that it would cost roughly $3.6 trillion. on a dynamic basis. because that actually counts what happens in counting growth, it would cost roughly $768 billi billion, less than a trillion. interesting enough, my plan, the

simple flat tax not only has among the least revenue impacts of anyone's plan on that stage but it also produces more jobs and growth than just about anyone. and most of the others are fiddling around the edges. we need to move towards every american filling out their taxes on a post card, and we need to abolish the irs. it is corrupt, it is targeting american citizens, and it's time to get rid of it. sean, we can get that done. >> if we were to do that, take in the repatriated money from multinational corporations that keep it offshore because they're going to be taxed so heavily. if you add in the energy independence quotient to all of this and we made america the corporate tax haven of the world -- i keep making these points -- >> yeah. >> what is the growth potential? because i'd like to see all of those americans off of food stamps and back to work. >> the growth potential is immense.

since 2008 we've averaged 1.2% growth per year. it's anemic. historically america's averaged 3.3% growth a year. i believe we can get back to 5% growth a year. you know, jfk had 5% growth because he did what? he did tax reform and regulatory reform. these are the policies that work. and sean, let me focus on one aspect of my simple flat tax that i think is particularly powerful. it's 10% for individuals and a 16% business flat tax that applies to everyone. that means giant corporations no longer pay 0% while small businesses get hammered. everyone pays the same fair rate. but one of the really powerful aspects of it is that it is border adjustable. which means if you're a farmer, if you're a rancher, if you work in manufacturing producing goods for exports, you pay 0%. you don't pay that 16% tax because all exports are tax-free. that gives our farmers and ranchers and manufacturers an enormous advantage. and on the flip side, every

import that comes in from any country across the world gets that 16% tax applied to it. what that does -- by the way, right now, europe does that to us. >> yes. >> when we export to them, they put their taxes on our goods, but we don't do it back. i think we need to be on a level playing field. and one of the sharpest divides last night was a number of republicans who were willing to stand with the lobbyists in washington, willing to stand with the cronyists. i think we should be standing with working men and women. that's one of the reasons, for example, there are several republicans who support and are embracing tpa and tpp. i don't think we should be giving into obama's plan to undermine u.s. sovereignty, to undermine our immigration law. >> 5600 pages. who can read that? all right, senator. it's good to see you. our very best. thank you for being with us tonight. we appreciate it. >> thank you, sean, god bless. let me give you the welcome from

the folks here at the dixon vfw. they love you, sean. >> appreciate that. coming up here tonight on "hannity" -- >> it's a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. it makes no sense. >> all i can say is you're lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's the one thing. >> ohio governor john kasich and donald trump got into a heated exchange during last night's debate. governor kasich is here with reaction. later chris christie will weigh in on his debate performance.

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they're going to have to go out and hopefully they get back. but we have no choice if we're going to run our country properly. >> the people think that we're going to ship 11 million people who are law abiding, who are in this country, and somehow pick them up at their house and ship them out of mexico -- to mexico? think about the families. think about the children. >> come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. it makes no sense. >> all i can say is you're lucky in ohio that you struck oil. that's for one thing. >> joining us now in 2016 republican presidential candidate ohio governor kasich. the interesting moment -- look, i know you really well. i felt last night you weren't you for some reason. not that moment, but you were trying to interrupt and i just didn't feel you had your normal cadence. am i right or maybe was that a

strategy? >> no, sean. i mean, look, i'm very, very concerned about winning next fall. and there are a lot of ideas out there that just simply don't add up. and you know that when the bright light comes on next fall, that whoever our nominee is is going to have to present their programs. and if their programs don't add up, if they're not solid, then i'm very fearful that we won't win the election. i'm very fearful that hillary clinton will win the election. i wanted to make a number of points about what's the proper level of tax cuts, how do we get the budget balanced, what do we do on immigration. and all i'm trying to do is make sure that we present a program that can stand the light of day come next fall. and a conservative program. >> let me go to trump's point because i believe the country has shifted on immigration. i think people see what has happened to europe because of the immigration issue. a bigger issue than it was a year ago.

people who don't respect american law and sovereignty. they don't respect it. they come into our country illegally. it has cost this country and states billions and billions for our educational system, our criminal justice system, our health care system. and it's a massive problem and both parties seem not to want to build that wall. and i think the reason that -- >> well -- yeah. >> listen, i think some republicans want cheap labor and democrats think they'll have a voting base for generations to come. am i wrong? >> that's not my position, sean. i want that wall built. i just was with the hispanic chamber of commerce. and the head of it said he disagrees with me on the wall. and i said, well, look, when you lock your doors on your house at night. he said, i do. i said a country has the right to lock its doors. so i mean, first and foremost is to take care of the border. secondly, if anybody then comes across the border, they ought to be automatically sent home. we ought to have a guest worker

program so people can enter, work and then go back. but for the 11 million that have been here that are law abiding, i just want a practical solution. they pay a fine, no path to citizenship. i don't believe in the path to citizenship, but a path to legalization. anything other than that is not practical. i'll tell you this. if this is the message of the republican party come next fall, that we're going to round these people up and ship them out, i got to tell you, i'm the governor of ohio. i don't think you win ohio with that kind of a message. i want to win. i want to be practical. we're not giving anybody a free pass. we need to absolutely get the border secure. and we need to rein in this visa program will people come in the country and they just never leave. so because i say they should stay here if they violated the law, by the way, they go to jail or be deported. but of course the border has to be built and of course we have to regulate who flows in and out of this country. >> let me go back to the economic issue. because you had a point of debate.

you seem to believe -- and i have praised you for your work as the head of the budget committee and the architect of the last balanced budget and the last surplus. and your work as governor. you've done the same thing. but you seem to be critical of all the other candidates' plans. you don't think their numbers add up, you don't think they're realistic. i heard a lot of good ideas from the candidates. i even liked the penny plan that rand paul talked about. >> yeah, yeah. >> the repatriation idea. >> i like that idea. >> energy independence. >> i do, too. >> i would like to make america the corporate tax haven of the world. >> absolutely, sean. >> so multilevel corporations come here. >> my plan would actually repatriate at about 5% or 6% for the first time and after that there would be no double taxation. we'd had expensing in first year where companies could write off the cost of their equipment. and lower the tax rate to 25%. but my concern is we have one

guy proposing a 15% flat tax but he doesn't tell you that he has a value-added tax on business. sean, if i came on this show and told you i believed in a value-added tax, you'd fall off your chair. we have another plan where we're going to cut the taxes and it will ring up the debt by 11 or $12 trillion. i have a plan that really mimics reagan. 28% top rate. capital gains tax at 15%, but it's in the confines of a balanced budget. now, look, i've done this for many years. i did it in washington. i've done it in ohio. and you just can't wish yourself to economic stability. i want economic growth. you can get it with lower taxes and a balanced budget. >> is it that you're frustrated because you think they're just saying things and pulling them out of thin air and you just don't believe their plans work? >> well, saeean, the numbers dot add up. i'm struggling with the tax foundation to make sure my tax cut plan falls within the

parameters that are vital for our country. if you say you'll ring up the debt by 11 or $12 trillion, you're not for that. but that's what some of these plans propose, sean. i'm just telling you that's what happens to the debt. go analyze them. >> i actually believe if you eliminate baseline budgeting -- carly said that. you cut a penny out of every dollar, on the spending side. i don't think there's any limit to the amount of money that we can grow the economy with energy and becoming the corporate tax haven of the world. i don't even know if anybody can calculate the economic growth benefits of those things. >> sean, we do dynamic scoring in our plan. we know it's going to cause economic growth. our economic growth estimates would take us just shy of 4%. but you can't have a tax cut plan that takes you to 10 or $11 trillion more in the hole. so don't misunderstand what i'm saying to you. i will tell you this next fall when these plans get carefuled

analyzed, they better stand the test of time. in the last debate i was pointing out that it didn't make any sense for calling for abolishing medicare or making it sort of an option. now i think that's kind of moved off the table, although i'm not sure. i mean, if we're a party that runs around saying we should get rid of medicare, how do you think we're going to do next fall against hillary? so sean, i want to win and we can win with conservative ideas. i do believe that economic growth is necessary for balancing the budget and, look, i did the penny kasich plan, remember, back when i was in the congress. >> i do. >> and my plan now, i freeze all discretionary spending for eight years. i increased defense spending by $100 billion. i slowed the growth of medicare from 7% to 5 and medicaid from 5 to 3. and you know, so i've got spending cuts, but i also know what can get enacted down there. and freezing discretionary spending for eight years, that's

pretty tall order. we can get that done. i want to ship a lot of programs home like welfare and education. >> we've got to run but -- >> i just want to make sure the numbers add up so we can beat hillary in the fall. >> governor, if we don't win this election, the country -- i don't see our way out of it. i just don't. another four years of obama policies are a disaster. good to see you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, sir. coming up next tonight right here on "hannity" -- >> wait till you see what hillary clinton will do in this country and how she'll drown us in debt. she's the real adversary tonight. >> new jersey governor chris christie went after hillary clinton hard at the gop debate last night. he'll join us next to explain his strategy. also we get commentary from david limbaugh and tammy bruce. they're here with their thoughts on last night's debate and more. introducing metris, the mid-size van from mercedes-benz. it's got small-ability and big-ability. towing-ability and stowing-ability.

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showing at yesterday's debate where he went after hillary clinton and put china on notice. here's some of the highlights. >> i believe the greatness of america is not in its government. the greatness of america is in the american people. what we need to do is get the government the hell out of the way and let the american people win once again. if you think that mike huckabee won't be the kind of president who will cut back spending or chris christie or john kasich, wait till you see what hillary clinton will do to this country and how she'll drown us in debt. she is the real adversary tonight. and we better stay focused on republicans on her. if the chinese commit cyber warfare against us, they're going to see cyber warfare like they've never seen before. i'll tell you the thing that disturbs me the most with the democratic party in washington that they're not standing behind our police officers in this country. that they're allowing lawlessness, that's allowing lawless license to reign in this country. >> joining us now, 2016

presidential candidate governor chris christie is with us. >> thank you, sean, it was a really good night. i enjoyed myself in milwaukee. now i'm back in iowa getting ready for another town hall meeting. >> bobby jindal was baiting you a lot last night. let me play a little bit of it. you weren't going to have any part of it. which is interesting to me. >> let's actually cut government spending, let's grow the american economy. let's not just beat hillary, let's elect a conservative to the white house, not just any republican. >> if you go the new jersey, they'll call me lot of different things, a liberal is not one of them. i have great respect for bobby's record in louisiana. i think he's been a wonderful governor and he's provided outstanding leadership in that state and i respect him for what he's done. i think all of us deserve that same level of respect. >> we need a conservative, not a big government republican. >> last word briefly. >> let me just say this.

i complimented bobby. imagine how much time he'd want if i actually criticized him. >> you weren't going to have any part of that. and i felt that that must have been a strategy going in because they gave you every opportunity to battle him. tell me what was going on. >> sean, listen, i'm not running against bobby jindal. i'm running against hillary rodham clinton. and i want a party that remains focused to keep our eye on the prize. there's no silver medals in this, no silver medals at all. we want to win the white house back. don't allow yourself to get distracted by othergs. keep yourself focused on the prize. that's what i did last night. >> three big issues from last night's debate. immigration, differences in terms of economic plans and certainly america's role in the world. let me start with immigration. where do you stand on the issue -- everybody seems to agree secure the borders first. i would like to see that happen. what do you do after that? >> e-verify is a the enormous

thing not only to secure the border but to deal with the problems we have here and a biometrics system on visas to make sure that people do not overstay their visas. 40% of the folks who are here illegally overstayed their visas. you work on both of those programs and deal with the large bulk of the problem we have in the united states already. >> and the 11 million? >> if those folks can't get jobs, they're not staying. that's the bottom line. and that's why you e-verify and you make the penalty for any employer who employs someone who is here illegally twice the amount of money they made off of that employee. that would get business' attention and get them to be part of the solution rather than the problem. >> do you agree with trump that the russians just had an airliner shot out of the sky and if putin wants to take out isis we should let them do it. we shouldn't have to do it all of the time. your reaction to that? >> that's naive.

and putin has no experience dealing with assad at all. and the cubans into the fight to support assad and keep this murderous dictator in place. putin's never had any interest in isis and they doesn't have any interest now. >> you seem to be the one candidate that wants to remind everybody that the federal government has stolen from every citizen. there's no lock box. and so but the big question is how do you jump-start an economy, stop this record debt and deficit accumulation that we have and get those americans in poverty on food stamps back to work and those out of the labor force jobs? >> economic growth, sean. and this president's not interested in economic growth nor is hillary clinton. they're interested in income redistribution. and so that's why my tax plan gets rid of every loophole and deduction except for the mortgage interest deduction and the charitable contribution deduction. it lowers rate to at or below

the reagan level from the mid-1980s where we saw extraordinary economic growth with those rates under president reagan. we can replicate that again. under my plan we will. and we'll get rid of a whole bunch of irs agents on top of it. it's time to get our economy growing again and get the absolute burden of regulation off the backs and out of the pockets of small businesspeople with regulations like dodd/frank and obamacare and the epa and osha. i get rid of one-third of the regulations in my first year as my predecessor put in place, regulatory reform. those two things combined along with changes in our corporate tax system and repatriation of the money from overseas we'll get our economy growing at 4% or greater. if we do that, we're going to really be helping the american people at every income level. >> would you move to get america energy independent and how long do you think it would be? >> absolutely right. and we are on the verge of it, sean. we have to drill for more oil,

explore for more natural gas. we've got a 100-years supply under this country and we need to get it. partner with canada and mexico, not cancel the keystone pipeline like this radical liberal environme environmentalist barack obama has done and hillary clinton agrees with him. and mexico is now denationalizing their energy industry so we can invest in it. we'll have north america be the energy continent in a christie presidency. energy independent, drive down costs, create manufacturing jobs and also allow us to be stronger around the world and not have europe depending upon putin for energy. >> we see a lot of people are waiting for you. we appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me tonight. look forward to seeing you soon. >> i know that rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is a stronger and a better place when the united states is the strongest military power in the world. >> how is it conservative to add

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welcome to "hannity." last night's gop debate did not disappoint. here are some of the highlights. >> i know that rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is a stronger and a better place when the united states is the strongest military power in the world. >> how it is conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? you cannot be a conservative if you're going to keep promoting new programs that you're not going to pay for. >> big government has created a big business called politics. we must take our government back. >> we can't continue to be the policemen of the world. we owe $19 trillion. we have a country that's going to hell. >> we're not going to be the world's policemen but we sure as heck should be the world's leader. that's a huge difference. without us leading, voids are filled. >> i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth.

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he did not explain that. it wasn't clear. there is so much talent on that lineup. >> there really was. the conservatives were the winners last night. >> yes, exactly. so conservatives are the winners. jeb bush, kasich representing old ways did not do well. rubio seems to be the inheritor of the establishment. that could be a negative for him. ted cruz comes out showing a certain kind of depth and that he can respond and relate to everyone. >> i'm a fan of fiorina. she needs to start weaving her success into her team. that is what we need to see. >> i think that the clear losers were paul, who committed political suicide by announcing -- >> i thought rand paul had good remarks about mentioning the penny plan. >> absolutely. >> the differences on foreign policy. >> it's prohibited. the position he took.

kasich lost. he came off as a stone. he's lecturing people. you can't be conservative and bring up this conservative. he is telling the world conservatives are not passionate. >> i felt he was off. he felt he's not the guy i thought i knew. >> he comes in that he's disgusted that the whole world doesn't pick him. aren't you smart enough to pick me? >> i thought what a great debate with jim webb, jeb bush and kasich. the great old time liberals from the 60s, right? but that was the democratic party. it's like this is where it's kind of -- they know that. that the democratic party is not open for them anymore. they want their way. the voters, the republican base, i think they like everybody up there.

each one is so talented but this is where we get the opportunity to vet and weave through. . >> i don't think if you look at past debates, that the audience is measuring their likes or dislikes of donald trump or ben carson. i thought donald trump had a big moment when he showed more passion, he's a passionate guy about the military with iraq and pointing out we don't know who we support. we have made that mistake a lot of times. we think we're supporting opposition groups, they end up being worse. good point. >> i think trump did things he needed to do, which he continued to do. and not as flamboyant. >> let jeb speak. >> yes. going after interruption may not have played well with some. he did well, he held his own, same with carson. but they're viewed on a different level. >> i say watch cruz's and

rubio's number. >> cruz was awesome. rubio was impressive as he always is. i think cruz was. >> cruz was hated by the establishment. >> yes. that was the pressure with reagan as well. you have a man who is going to have to navigate that. the establishment does have to admit it. i think the next debate is going to be teared done more. chris christie, i'm not a big fan and i'm beginning to like him. i will support whoever the nominee is. chris christie had a good debate but the video on drug addiction, the nature of who he is personally, hopefully, we can manage these individuals but let's make sure we get the best conservative, not whoever can be electable. >> well said, we're out of time. congratulations on the success

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program. that is all the time we have left. thanks for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. washington, d.c. see you tomorrow night. the/sf(ñ o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> i don't have to hear from this man, believe me. >> i know that rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is a stronger and a better place. >> ronald reagan didn't -- >> -- ronald walked away. >> he quit talking when it was time to quit talking. >> post debate madness. donald trump, marco rubio, carly fiorina all will be here. plus the cnn anchor take as cheap shot at the moderators. >> it appears to me the moderators didn't ask very challenging questions. >> yale and some other college campuses being torn apart by unruly students who are attacking freedom of speech. we will have a