please remember, the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. >> braerking tonight, new details coming in on a new terror threat overseas. stepped up security here at home that the deadly attacks in paris may have just been a test run. welcome to the kelly file, everyone. i'm meygn kelly. terrorists were aplanning to attack a soccer stadium just a few hours ago. the stadium was evacuated, the teams were rushed to a secure location and chancellor merkel who was supposed to attend this event was diverted before she arrived. that came just hours after the

head of russia's security service just confirmed that a homemade bomb took out that passenger jet just weeks ago, killing over 220 men, women and children with the islamic state terror group claiming responsibility for that act of terror. add to that atrocity, another 43 dead in bay route and 239 wounded when two attackers blew themselves up less than 500 feet apart in the heart of the leb news capitol. a third would-be bomber was captured and got almost no attention in the american media. back in france, police are now circulating a photo of one of the suicide attackers who targeted the french national stadium. there is now a second assailant on the lewis.

add together those events, and the terror group has murdered almost 400 innocent in these three attacks injuring more than 700 in just a few weeks. many of them critically injured. then they issued a new threat to america, specifically mentioning washington, d.c. we got word earlier today that the d.c. metric service has stepped up. plus, we are hearing from lawmakers that they are being encouraged to travel underground and to avoid being seen outside. new york has also added a hundred cops to its antiterror unit. all of which led the normally reserved diane finestein to earlier share this. >> i don't want to make everybody nervous.

but i feel the same way i felt before 9/11, that something very well could happen here. and the senator is not the only one worried ant our security. earlier today, we spoke with a former counter terrorism expert with the fbi. a young man who helped take down robert hanson, perhaps the most notorious spy in u.s. history. they made a movie about this. this guy suggested that paris may just be a test run. in moimts, we will be joined by moral ton storm, a former member of al-qaida turned double agent for the c.i.a. >> megyn, almost across the board, terrorism experts say there is nothing new or innovative about the terrorism attacks.

ex3er9s say it appears iis is accepting low-tech. the paris attacks are not the only operation isis has in the pipeline. while that has raised anxiety, experts say how come nobody saw the last one coming? a short time ago, we spoke to a former f.b.i. investigative specialist or ghost as he was known at the full-time, he spent years following terrorists and dealing with terror issues. he says isis has clearly gone to school on how to conceal their activities. >> that suggests that issis has learned. they know how we look at information. they know how we're gattering intelligence and they've leapt one step ahead of security. and they found a new way to communicate.

isis is learning how to communicate through video games and other encrypted technology. eric o'neil is convinced that paris is convinced this is only a test. >> we tend to think of isis as a rag tag assortment of terrorists who are trying to carry out god knows what around the world. but what we've seen from paris is this is a coordinated, well-funded, well-ork strated terrorist group who created a plan that worked extremely well and were quite good in their execution. >> and to bring this full circle, the f.b.i. drik xx says there are currently open invegs gagss against isis in all 50 states. >> mr. o'neil thinks that paris is just a test. but our next guest says a former member of al-qaida and yemen who

was once so trusted with finding a wife says not only is the u.s. next on the list but an attack on american soil is unlikeankel unfold over the next two weeks. moral ton, thank you for being here. why do you put such a specific time frame on it, two weeks? >> i do it because the people who are from isis in europe are very desperate. we have just received very strong evidence that foreign issues have stopped the terror

attack. it's quite severe now. i also believe that copy cats in america will do their best to do what they've done in europe. >> i know you believe that -- and you've worked with them, you know these people. if in their minds america is the real trophy? >> yeah, i infiltrated these people. you need to understand their mind in order to predict what they're going to do. that was my success in my work. i am saying quite confidently that i am saying something within the next two weeks will happen. >> can they do something in your view as koord nated here in the states as we saw in paris? >> you see, it's a bit different from over there because your borders are quite more tight. you have also a lot of weapons like handguns, machine guns.

we have seen before that you have loan wolf attacking from the barracks and all the places. this time, we can also target the civilians such as shopping malls and other places like we have seen in france. >> how conscious do you think they are that we're going into a holiday season that happens to be a religious holiday for many millions. >> yeah, but that's what they want. this is terrorism. the terrorists wants to scare, wants to make people afraid to live a normal live. so what they do is to -- to terrorize them mentally. so they're too afraid to go outside. you know, prophet muhammad in this one here. he said this is the same for profit muhammad which 99% will be followed. he says in this book here, i

have been made notorious by terror. so he terrorized his enmays so they were scared of him. >> there's no thought what so ever. they don't follow any convent n conventional battle lines. t 1200

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>> what should now be clear is our people and our allies will not be safe until isil is destroyed, not just degraded but destroyed not eventually, but as soon as possible. >> that was john mccain blasting to defeat islamic state. less than 24 hours later, the president defended his approach and shared one reason why he does not want to chak. >> and maybe apartment of the reason is because every few months, i go to walter reed and i see a 25-year-old kid who's paralyzed or has lost his limbs. and some of those are people i've ordered into battle.

and so i can't afford to play some of the political games that others may. folks want to pop off and have opinions on what they think they would do, have a specific plan. >> fox news contributor and iraq and afghanistan war veteran and ceo of concerned veterans for america, he spent 4 1/2 years recovering at walter reed after his humvee was hit by an iud. pete, you say you found those comments infur rating. why? >> i heard from a lot of other vets, too. listen, vets will take tough missions or deal with difficult circumstances, but they don't want to be pitied or used as an excuse for inaccess. because we might face casualty, because it might be difficult, i'm nots0>

necessary to defeat this vici s vicious, vicious enemy. they did it because they believe in the freedom they have. they knew it could cost them everything up to and including their life. and they don't want their commander in chief saying don't send us because we might be harmed. right now, their commander in chief is throwing them under the bus. >> sergeant, you were injured in a terrible way. you were cut in half, it broke your body, you had third degree burns on your face and your hands. why -- i mean, do you understand the president is the one who has to give the order to go and fight and he has to look you in the eye and explain why you did it. >> yeah, the reality is he doesn't live in the reality. he's not living what is true. the truth is is that isil and islamic terrorists want to kill us.

military trains to fight these people. i knew going into this war that i may get injured. to me, i was built for it. i wish i was there right now. it was the best thing i ever did in my life. >> really? >> yes. >> we need to get politicians out of the way. let the generals and the subject matter experts who fight wars, fight the wars and get what we need and what we ask for when we ask for it. get out of the way and quit playing politics. that's what happened in vietnam, korea and then this war. politics keep getting people killed. >> the thing is the president continues to suggest that his policy is working. and that those who want to pop off with these ator gnat demands don't know what they're talking ab. in spongs to which john mccain said, for example, were these people popping off?

here's an example of some of those sound bytes that senator mccain referenced today. watch. >> it's now crystal clear to us that our strategy is not working and it's time to look at something else. >> i've never been more concerned. i read the intelligence faithly. isil is not contained. isil is expanding. >> we are not only failing, we are, in fact, losing this war. >> was winston churchill popping off? this is understanding the gravity of the threat we face. but they're not treating your troops like victims. it's what you heard off the lips of our commander in chief. we've been victims of reckless foreign policy. no, maybe we believe in what we're fighting for and

understand that radical islamists are coming for us. that's a pretty serious thing. i don't think barack obama understands it. >> that's the question, ser gent. we may be looking at casualties if we send men and women to fight. and we may be looking at them if we don't. >> that's our job. casualties happen. that's a reality. we accept that. we raised our right hands knowing that. we swore to protect this nation, the people of this nation and the constitution of the united states. and we will spend our lives doing it. >> we are the ones who appreciate you and your father's service and your grandfather's service.

thank you for giving us your time tonight and for your service. >> thank you, kelly. >> suggesting that the terror attacks in paris last winter were more rational or legitimate than what we saw last week. ambassador john bolton has some thoughts on that next. later, both sides of the debate are here after donald trump suggests that shutting down some american mosques may be in order to combat the spread of american islam. >> you're going to have to watch and study the mosques because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques. second we're born. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier

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charlie hebdoe magazine. the terrorist killed 12 people, wounding nearly a dozen more. today, secretary kerry said, "there's something different about what happened from charlie hebdo. and i think everybody would feel that. there was a sort of particularized ficus. and perhaps even a legitimacy in terms of not a legitimacy, but a rationale that you could attach yourself to somehow and say okay, they're really angry because of this and that. this friday was absolutely indiscriminant. it was to terrorize people. ambassador john bolton is a former fox news contributor and ambassador to the united nations. ambassador, your thoughts on that? >> i think secretary kerry made the classic washington mistake. he said exactly what he believes. i i think you can understand now

very clearly what informs the obama administration's policy towards international terrorism. in a sense, they think the terrorists have been proposed by the west. charlie hebdo writes cartoons that make them so angry that they respond by killing innocent people. it's a moral equivalence that is stop ark churning. just as bad, he's wrong. what we saw on friday was well coordinated. well carried out. the only difference between friday easter rich and the charlie hebdo is that friday's was bigger and perhaps promises more to come. but this kind of statement, to the staff of the u.s. embassy in parisjt obama administration sense of terrorism comes from.

it was to attack everything we stand for. what's the grievance? that we're not who they are? yes. but he didn't seem to get that after charlie hebdo. nor did he seem to get it after benghazi. it is not illegal to mock the prophet muhammad here in the united states. >> i think the comment about charlie hebdo does speak the kind of legitimacy: functionally, different between rationale or legitimate. here's what the policy should be. there is no excuse ever whether they draw cartoonsot that offen you or their way of life offends

you, whatever it is. >> we are waiting reaction from the state department. we have reached out to them, giving them a chance to clarify or take it back. >> good luck. >> yeah, we haven't heard anything. ambassador, thanks for being here. >> just moments ago, president obama slams the republican candidates for objecting to take syrian americans here in america. carly fiorina is here live. we will have her reas next. suffering from the flu is a really big deal. with aches, fever and chills... there's no such thing as a little flu. so why treat it like it's a little cold? there's something that works differently

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late-breaking details on a white house conference call with more than 30 governors who are refusing to take in syrian refugees. they are citing security issues because one of the paris terrorists is believed to have posed as a refugee, maybe. the white house says the call lasted an hour and a half and the administration was able to face a lot more details. >> many americans in congress do not trust that the ones the president wants to bring in are

not going to do us harm. the problem is you only know what you know. you can't do a background check when there's no background to check. when documents were destroyed in places that we don't have access to fingerprints or intelligence to confirm that the people are who they claim to be. >> what we want from the administration is assurances that we can screen these individuals before we bring 10,000 syrians into the united states. just because they pose a threat to europe, they potentially can pose a threat to the united states. >> trying to turn this thing around, it had a conference call asking governors to back off. the u.s. only accepts refugees whose identities can be confirmed. they say officials personally reviewed files to reveal inc inconsistencies. over half the applicants are

rejected because something doesn't add up. >> the vast majorities are victims of the very same violence that we saw in paris. with a level of brutality and suffering and sacrifice that's incomprehensible to us. >> now, the feds brought in about 300 last week. officials know where the next group is going but refused to tell me today. the governors who do not have the legal authority to deny the program oppose it but will not block it. house speaker paul ryan will hold a vote this week on legislation calling for a contemporary halt on the refugee program. >> joining me now with more, mark teeson, fox news

contributor and larry corb under president reagan. welcome to you both. so the president comes out and says this is shameful that these governor, these republicans who want to grand stand on this and deny syrian refugees is shameful. your thoughts. >> yes, let's remember why we have the crisis in the first place. because for five years, barack obama stood on the sideline while syria burned. he did nothing while nearly 300,000 people, innocent men, women and children were massacred. and now heo stands there and lectures these governors who said they have betrayed american values because they are raising legitimate concerns about his abilities to make sure that isis isn't using them to infiltrate in the country.

you caused this crisis, mr. president. >> what about the months and months while the syrian civil war was raging. we did reports on how they lined up -- his forces lined up families and shot the children in the head in front of their parents and then vice versa, at the next house holt. and so is the president really in a position to be morally out raged about the united states and some of these republicans not wanting to take in some of the refugees? >> i think he is. for kparm, we've taken in a hundred thousand people from iraq creating our necessary invasion and occupation. we're only taking in about 10,000 total. >> but if he cared so much, why was he letting asad gas his own people without doing anything. >> well, first of all, he did not want to get us involved in

another civil war in which there's no end to it and sch you've caused more problems getting in. compare what happened in iraq to syria. iraq was 4 million people displaced. and basically, we took in a hundred thousand of them because of the damage we caused. what about that, mark. you've heard some testimonials that the vetting process is lengthy, extensive. age that we=ñ$aven't identified any terror to come in. at worst, it appears that one of the eight or nine terrorists may have been a syrian refugee. the main problem was not refu e refugees. >> no, the refugees aren't the problem. look. 99% of these people maybe more,

are innocent men, women and children who are fleeing terrorism and isis. it only takes one or two to get through to be the isis terrorist to bring the violence we're seeing in pa rigs to our streets and shores right now. everyone wants to help these people. it's the fact that they don't trust barack obama to vet them. this is a guy who just told us the other day that isis was contained. he's consistently underestimated them. and then, second, his own officials say we can't properly vet them. they testified just last month, this is a quote. the intelligence picturewe have of this zone is obviously when you screen and vet, you screen and vet against the available intelligence. we don't have the intelligence to know who these people are. >> you know better than the

national counter terrorism center? >> wait a second. let me finish. i don't interrupt you. bassically, if you can't vet them, we don't let them in. and we never have, we've taken in three million refugees in '75. we never had a problem. the biggest terrorist attack we ever had was a former army veteran, timothy mcveigh. if you go and say these things, well, we'll only let the christian in there, you're going to lose the struggle of isis which is values of etiology. >> the oklahoma city bombing was not bigger than 9/11. let's just clear that up. thank you both for being here, i've got to go. earlier today, donald trump suggested that we might have to close a mosque in islamic america.

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change. islamic fascism, islamic terrorism believes they are at war with us and so we must wage a war against them and win. >> that was republican presidential candidate carl carly fiorina criticizing president obama's plan for terrorizing the threat. tonight, president obama has just responded saying at first, the gop field was scared of the debate. and now he says they are scared of three-year-old orphans. the candidate and former ceo joins me now. your reactions to the president's jab on that? >> you know, the president is most passionate when he's attacking republicans. maybe he's like hillary clinton.

perhaps he ought to focus husband passion and energy on our real ener jays. he had a rambling statement in turkey on monday where he talked about our strategy is working. pa risz, he called, a temporary set back. we don't have a strategy. paris is not a temporary set back. president holland to france was very clear. president holland said they are at war with us and we will wage a pitiless war. our president was mushy. he's always&0 mushy until he's attacking republicans. when they declared victory in iraq in 2011 and withdrew precipitously against all military advice for political expedien expediency, nothing more, nothing less. to launch attackstit from and p and build their kal fat and

weaponry aside. this president has been completely inadequate. >> let's talk about doe mesically. just in the past few weeks, hundreds and hundreds of innocent are dead. the question is what can be done do mesically. i get fighting in syria. there are a lot 06 republicans calling for more glound troops. but what do mesically can we do? >> first, we have to stop the flow of syrian refugees. moegs of these are not three-year-old orphans. most of these refugees are young, able-bodied men. secondly, you know, the former deputy director of the cia, a man i've known for a long time said something very chilling on sunday, on the sunday shows. he said that we had known for some time.

that isis was building an attack capability in europe and are focusing on buildings[ an attac capability in the united states. we know from our own f.b.i. director that are overwhelmed. so why would we add to that problem when we know that we can't vet these people. >> how would we do it? donald trump, when i talk about it in the next segment, possibly closing mosques, that we can show our radical leaders? would you do that? >> i would not do that because i think that will inflame populations.v? what i would do is absolutely increase the number of agents we have on the ground. here's a startling fact. we have more irs agents than f.b.i. and c.i.a. does that strike you as a misallocation of resources? of course it is. we need to take this terror

threat seriously. when they cannot call this enemy by its name, when they continue to beat around the bush about who this really is and what really motivates them, when they continue to lecture the rest of us, really, let's get real here. talk about who is the enemy and do what is necessary to protect our nation. >> fran houseman was on the show last night. >> yes, i know her well. >> we can only track 60-70 of these guys a day, 24/7. that's all the resources we have. we've got over 1250 who are tied to isis or linked to them in some way. great to see you. thank for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me, megyn. >> up next, the fallout from donald trump's suggest that we should close some mosques to

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breaking tonight, new questions for donald trump after yesterday he suggested that he would strongly consider shutting down certain mosques in the u.s. to prevent the spread of home grown terror. >> we're going to have to watch and study the mosques because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques. and from what i heard in the old days, meaning a while ago, we had great surveillance going on in and around mosques. >> wait. let me stop. chris, you did a lot of reporting this week. i think i picked up this weekend that actually the french had said they will shut down mosques that -- >> that have radical leadership. >> is that something that you would consider doing as president? >> well, i would hate to do it,

but it's something that you're going to have to strongly consider because some of the ideas and some of the hatred, the absolute hatred is coming from these areas. >> katrina pearson is the spokeswoman for the trump campaign. the president and founder of the republican muslim coalition. good to see you both. katrina, let me start with this. the argument is back to the first amendment. we have freedom of religion, we have freedom of speech, and we're opening up a very dangerous door if we get the government going into a religious institution and decide what amounts to hate speech. >> well, megyn, we don't have the right to plot terrorism and kill americans. let me give you a quick example of the not too distant past. we have the boston bombers who came in with refugees who escaped this system. they came from a mosque.

the imam of that mosque is now serving time for plotting an attacks. always from that mosque, the man who went to m.i.t. and is doing 86 years in president not to mention -- >> even experts like andrew mccarthy who have studied this say that the mosques tend to be hotbeds for political activity not as much religious activity. >> megyn, we go to the mosque to pray. it's absolutely horrifying to hear that our constitutional rights of free exercise of religion are now going to be challenged just because somebody thinks that there may be some attendees who may disagree with your views. but the thing is like you wouldn't shut down churches just because there was one or two christians who were acting badly. the mosque has nothing to do with the terrorists. yes, there are people who misuse religion for their perverted

ideology, but that's not -- that has nothing to do with my faith. >> what about the point that it's only the mosques that have the extremist leaders? >> megyn, the mosque that she was just talking about, the one in boston has thousands of muslims of americans working very hard in that area. we have lawyers, doctors, engineers, civil society, everybody is working hard to be good american citizens. and to think that, you know, just because there was a few people that may have been associated with terrorism that came to that church, that does not give you the permission to shut down. >> go ahead. >> it's not a few people. it's not a few people. it's the founder of that mosque that is in prison right now today for plotting terrorism. and not to mention the one that followed after him. it's no different than a christian church or a mormon church. you had the doj investigate mormon churches. >> why go after the individual as opposed to the mosque? go after the individuals is the argument.

>> exactly. and have trump visit a local mosque in new york or washington, d.c., he has so many business dealings over the middle east. he's worked with muslims. he knows we are good hardworking people. you cannot alienate the muslim american voters. >> you have to investigate and you have to implement due process. if it's one person, fine, but if it's the entire mosque, it needs to be shut down. jeb bush: leadership means you've got to be all in. it's not about yappin'. it's not about talking. it's about doing. i know how to do this because i was privileged to serve in florida for eight years. and we turned the systems upside down that weren't working. 1.3 million new jobs were created. we cut taxes every year. income rose in people's pockets. people were lifted out of poverty.

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so what do you think? should we be banning the syrian refugees? and should we be looking at closing some mosques? facebook.com # kellyfile. this is a fox news alert. i'm steve harrigan in paris. right now a massive manhunt is under way in belgium and in france. the hunt is for two suspects who are believed to have taken an active role in the killings on friday which left more than 130 people dead in paris but so far has still eluded capture. the french police have mobilized more than 100,000 force raids throughout the country. france has launched another night of air strikes against islamic state positions in syria. pounding command and control centers around the city in raqqah. the country's also moving an aircraft carrier into the