in all 50 states. >> 129 people killed over 350 injured friday the 13th there in paris, france. our live coverage from the scene continues right now on "fox and friends." good morning to you. today is wednesday, november 18th. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. a fox news alert. two terrorists dead, seven arrested after an intense overnight standoff in france. >> we are live on the ground. >> meanwhile, the terror scare in france putting the entire world on edge. flights diverted, stadiums evacuated. and a moment of silence interrupted rudely. >> syrian migrants showing up with the same papers as the suicide bombers. the heat is on the members of

congress who need to take action. in fact, the speaker did yesterday. we'll give you the details because "fox and friends" for wednesday starts right now. imagine waking up to that. explosions and a gunfight rattle a paris suburb in northeast paris as police zero in on the paris mastermind of that massacre on friday the 13th. >> an hours-long standoff and police raid just ended here. here's what we now know. >> right. at this hour, two suspected terrorists dead. seven people are under arrest. >> greg pal cot is live about a block away from the apartment that the police -- the elite police team stormed hours ago.

greg, what is the latest. >> reporter: amazing stuff, guys. it was a war zone here. it is a suburban area on the outside of paris. but an urban feel. kind of like if you know new york, manhattan is paris. this is queens. the working class area. but it's an area in shock because at 4:20 paris time, there was a fuselage of fire coming in both directions. it was believed in the apartment building as you noted about a block and a half behind me was holed up several terrorists or at least suspects. there had been reports that perhaps the mastermind of the attacks from friday night was holed up there as well. no confirmation of that. the toll, one woman died, one woman terror suspect killed by a suicide vest that she was wearing. another terror suspect killed by police. we believe was a sniper and seven detained. some in that building, some in the other area. we think a passerby was also killed. there was so much action going

on here. ak-47 fire, explosions, bullets, automatic weapons, stun grenades, you name it. on the police side, five policemen injured. we believe they went in, made their detention were met by that stormy fire fuse lad. backed off and then continued the evacuation from a safe distance. for the past three r four hours, we've been told by police they believe there was one other person inside there. we will looking at a siege. in the last hour or so, we've been able to pull closer in. that was a sign, we felt, that things were calming down a bit. we're still kept at a distance because forensic teams now poured into that building. they're looking for number one, booby traps, any other explosives and third, any evidence, any ties of these people other people to the paris terror attacks. any more explanation of why it

happened and who was behind it. guys, we have one other report which i won't dismiss. reuters and others ran with it. i have to confirm it myself in a little bit. but there was some talk that another terror attack was thwarted by this operation. that the terror suspects inside that building were planning an attack on another area, english defense area of paris. that is the business area of paris. so perhaps a strike at corporate was being planned too and was headed off by this operation. again, recapping the scene now, police still in place. a small enforcement still in place in this suburban area. >> greg, based on what you just said. -- >> bustling right now, empty. >> yes, brian. >> greg, it looks -- if that is indeed true. it looks as though they got there just in time. think about it. how do you get a vest on quickly, especially the way a s.w.a.t. team, the france's

version of that would ak. quick and decisive and be awe-inspiring. they might have thwarted another attack. the mastermind staying in the middle of the city. they thought he was back in syria. >> reporter: exactly, brian. that's why, frankly, i treat it with caution. even though some police sources were telling the media, again for the past four or five days, we've been telling our viewers, that we believe, according to our intelligence sources he was in raqqah, the capital of the organization isis. he was pulling the strings there. for him to be, well, we are just about a half a mile away from that national soccer stadium targeted by bombers on friday night and just maybe two or three miles from the rest of the carnage. that would take a lot of gutsy guess i could use a few other words hoots pa. >> there's a report on the telegraph that while the

operation for the most part may be over, the police are still trying to break down their door of a church next to the apartment. can you tell us anything regarding that? >> reporter: i saw that report, too. frankly, i think this is the church that we're hearing. why don't you pan over there, pierre and show them the church. it's a lovely old church. we did hear something slamming the door. i don't think that's too much. this is just -- what time is it now in france? just after noon and we're hearing the bells. maybe that's a good sign. maybe peace coming back to this town once again. >> is there any word on salah abdeslam, one of the suspected eight terrorists who actually got in the car and then believed to have escaped, that he was still on the loose, at large. was he believed to be in this location with the mastermind originally? >> i had seen that report early on. frankly, it wasn't picked up afterwards, after the initial

interest. i think police still believe that he is on the run and probably in belgium. he's a belgian resident. there have been major operations and raids seeking him around brussels area. he was even spotted in a car driving from france into belgium three nights ago. so i don't think he was here. >> okay. greg you know the streets and the story. we'll keep checking in with you over the next three hours. great work. two dead, seven arrested this guy, abaaoud, the mastermind bragged after he got a degree of terror fame because he was dragging those bodies horrifically through raqqah. he bragged about the fact that he went back to france. i'm wondering if this is the same mind-set, if this is true. that led him back there or to stay there. >> this is great for a terrorist the way the eu is set up because it's easy to pass from country

to country. >> meantime, what's happened in this country and other countries. for sure, the united states is on edge. for instance, let's talk about how two air france flights en route to paris were both diverted. flight 55 from dulles to paris diverted to nova scotia when somebody phoned in a bomb threat. also, air france flight 65 from l.a. to paris was diverted to salt lake city. both landed safely. the fbi is trying to figure out who called these in. >> think about this. this is just one day after confirmed terrorists they're saying bombed the passenger plane in egypt. i mean, this is a to be taken seriously, thankfully those passengers ended up being okay. the german soccer stadium evacuated. it was vevacuated after police uncovered a concrete bomb threat there. >> evidence solidified during

the early evening. they know that angela merkel was supposed to a it end this game. even though it's a friendly. it was taken as real. the evidence was too strong. let's end it, we're done. we're finished. >> angela merkel holding a special meeting on security issues now and throughout the day. >> they're reluctant to release many details, they don't want to give away how they did things. however, there has been a group i.d.'d. they're referred to as the north africans and 30 hours earlier they were planning to target the entrances of that particular stadium with assault rifles and suicide bomb vests. also, there was a german tip. they called the french authorities to tell them about an iraqi sleeper cell planning to attack the march. >> you want to talk about a divided country. let's talk about turkey. a member of nato and chipped in to attack raqqah saying we

theoretically wanted to. we found out that during a moment of silence in another soccer game between greece and turkey, which is huge for that region, there was silence for some and and also chants heard. a moment of silence for those who lost their lives in paris and chantsing of allah akbar. >> i think we have a little bit of problem in the region. >> i think we have a little bit of the sound. let's listen. >> disturbing. >> that's a heck of a moment of silence. >> screen left. what we just saw that assemblage of men in suits. we understand as we look at these live pictures, these are some of the mayors of some of the communities throughout the paris area. they're making a show of strength to reassure the residents.

we know you heard all those explosions overnight. that was a police operation, it was not a terror attack. >> which is also disturbing. but good to know they're on the offensive. meanwhile, let's get deep into what's going on. >> 10 minutes past the top of the hour. president hollande said to visit president obama and vladimir putin to discuss how to combat isis. putin taking a strong stand against the terror group. joining us now is fox news contributor judy -- >> i just left cairo. >> when you talk about our stance in this, it looks like russia and france have made an >> right. >> they've started to act militarily in coordination and our president is in the philippines. >> exactly. both france and cairo and russia all understand that we're at war. the only person who doesn't seem to understand that is president obama. >> how is that being felt in egypt? we don't really hear their response to our indifference.

>> that's because cairo at the moment, egypt is in denial. they know they had a bombing. they know that the russian plane carrying 224 people was bombed out of the sky, blown out of the sky over sharm el sheikh, which is their number one tourist resort. this is a country coming out of a long fight against the muslim brotherhood. and they're still fighting in the sinai. but they will not believe that it's a bomb. they don't want to believe it. >> one thing everyone looks to in times like this is your leader. look at the leader of these nations and how they are reacting. contrast, two leaders, how they're reacting to the situation. our president right here call the attack in paris a setback. >> we have always understood that this would be a long-term campaign. there will be setbacks and there will be successes. the terrible events in paris

were obviously a terrible and sickening setback. >> that's the president's -- >> now, let's go live to the streets of saint-denis in france. one of the paris suburbs where that man, the prosecutor in this particular case, is addressing the media. talking about the raid overnight. >> translator: people who were in the flat. second stage, a young woman blew herself up. she was there and she blew herself up by triggering an explosive load and there was also the death of another terrorist who was found after the operation having being shot at and hit by grenade. the other people were apprehended when they were trying to hide amongst the rubble. two other people were apprehended. the one who supplied the flat and one of his friends. so we cannot give you the

identity of the people who were apprehended because they're still being checked. we have to determine who is who. and according to the investigation, the forensic investigations as well, we can confirm laterer who was in the flat. >> so they're breaking up and desperately waiting to see what went on there. they're talking about the arrests and deaths and unfortunately, there were also some law enforcement were hit as well. >> one of the reasons they went to this particular location was because they believed that the mastermind of the attack was there. the prosecutor did just say at this point they are not releasing any names, which that's standard operating procedure. >> that's standard operating procedure. this is a heavily muslim quarter. you see more arabic vipt script than french script.

people tie back to molenbeek. >> one other thing to remember regarding this particular apartment where the raid took place overnight is it's walking distance from the stadium. >> that happened -- >> the choice of the targets was so interesting because these were not iconic places in paris. these were places where the young men involved in this attack would have gone themselves. >> young hip places. heavy metal concert, a cafe. >> might have gone themselves before they found their version of god and went out and created jihad in his honor. >> we played the sound of our president saying that these attacks in paris, he referred to them as "a setback." many taking issue with that and contrast with vladimir putin saying to forgive the terrorists is up to god. but to send them to him is you have up to me. >> president putin has a way with words. he's a powerful enemy as the people of raqqah are now finding out. >> let's take a look at what

happened last night. there was multiple attacks, devastating air attacks into raqqah yesterday. these are instant targets taken up by a country who had no interest in hitting them five days ago. we have a coordinated effort with france who has hit 20 separate targets. we were supposed to be hitting them for 18 months. what the heck have we been doing snoo. >> we've been containing isis only we haven't been. isis has been spreading throughout asia and the north african coast. while the president talks about containment. because isis has 25% of the territory, it does not mean the movement is contained. it's on the march. >> sure. you were over there as we look live at the mop-up of the s.w.a.t. team operation there in northeast paris overnight. you heard what the president said a couple of days ago. a lot of analysts say what happened on friday the 13th is

terrible. you would have thought his tone was different. he was very defensive and quite adamant. my plan is working. i just need more time. you know what, tell the people in france that this is working and they need more time. >> the president is in as much denial as the egyptian government which doesn't want to acknowledge formally that the russian plane was blown up over its skies. >> by an -- >> both have to acknowledge reality sooner or later. it will take a while for the president to -- >> when you look at what has taken place, are we going to be left out -- assad was bombing hospitals yesterday. at the same time raqqah was thinking of different terror targets inside europe. what can we do and what does force bring? >> look, if the united states were to mobilize and send more than 50 special operation's people, i'm not in favor of sending american ground forces into that area because i think the kurds and the people on our

side can do that as well. this is their fight. as advisers, as people who can tell them where to shoot, we are indispensable. >> tell them where to shoot because the targets are always changing. >> should we allow another nation to step up and lead? >> i don't think that president putin and us are going to march into the sunset together arm in arm. when our interests coincide as they do here, yes, we're going to work together to defeat isis if, if we all decide that isis is the primary enemy that we face. >> you got to wipe out their infrastructure. we just began bombing oil wells. we just began bombing the oil trucks. we've left them in mosul with that huge power plant. what is it -- we have to gut them from that area much like in a surge. do you see any resolve there? >> look, i think the president has to reevaluate his policy.

sooner or later, reality will dawn and even his own side, even the democrats are saying, we must do more. now that we have president hollande and president putin agreeing that this is a war. now that you have egypt kind of waking up to reality, you know, you can destroy a country through hard terror or you can destroy it through softer roar. you can destroy their economy. that's the goal in france and egypt. go in, bury in. wait until things calm down and then strike again. you cannot let them -- >> you have to worry about the aftermath. they have major influence in the region and if we allow them to take the lead, we might feel good now but not in a year. >> i don't think they can take the lead. but if we are there -- >> they've taken the lead. >> they have. because a vacuum is something that needs to be filled. they have filled it. that doesn't mean that an american president cannot eventually understand that the game has changed. >> maybe the next one.

>> perhaps the next one, whoever he or she is will be stronger or more determined. >> i think either of the candidates, either on the republican side or hillary clinton would be stronger and tougher than president obama has been. >> don't you believe, though, right now president obama is in his legacy stage and he wants record books and the history books to be the president who ended wars and not start any. >> that's why he's trying to close guantanamo in the middle of this. >> react to this. egypt's president al sisi an international cooperation against terrorism. we just learned this. hours before we were talking about a russia/france nexus and alliance. it's the world without us. >> the egyptians feel abandoned by us. they say look, the whole world rallied around to support the french. who was supporting us when our plane, the russian plane was

blown up over our skies? did we hear expressions of sympathy? did the president call presidency si. the president wouldn't even see him when he was here. >> did not know that. what about the "charlie hebdo" attack essentially being -- that is it. our president doesn't show up and our secretary of state makes ridiculous comments like that. >> ah, but he says them in french. >> thank you very much. folks, if you're just joining us, it is, let's see -- it's 21 minutes after noon in paris, france. what you're looking at is a cleanup operation. there's a swat team that raided an a apartment in the paris suburb of saint-denis about 4:30 in the morning. neighbors heard explosion, they believe, inside an apartment. could have been the mastermind of the paris attack. when the police went to break down the door, heavy gunfire erupted. a woman apparently detonated a

suicide vest, blew herself up and died. there are reports of another death we just heard from one of the prosecutors there. a police dog was actually killed from some of the debris from her suicide vest. a number of people, right now the associated press is reporting that seven people at least have been arrested. >> the big question is, did they stop the next attack or did they happen to walk in on a would-be terror cell. reuters is reporting among the other outlets that they got in there in the nick of time and didn't know how fortunate they were with the timing. >> a multicultural bustling area compared to queens or san francisco here. not the typical mornings here that you would see in the streets. a half a mile from the stadium. >> the big question is, was the terrorist mastermind in there? did they get him? is he alive or is he one of the people who are dead? we would suspect that we'll have an update shortly.

>> even his own family wants him dead. >> 22 minutes past the top of the hour. we have new reports found eight syrian migrants that crossed into europe had the same papers as those found on the paris suicide bombers. shocking information. >> it is shocking and putting pressure to bring syrian refugees into the united states. he wants president obama to re-examine his policies. iowa senator joan i earns who fights the wars and is fighting for the country in washington as a senator from her state. senator, for those who say that we lose our soul like our governors here in new york, if we push back on these refugees, what's your answer to them? >> i think.

anyone that comes into this country has been thoroughly vetted with the process and what we have seen overseas. i am not so certain that we can do that. i am proposing that we take a pause in bringing syrian refugees into the country. >> okay. senator, when you say that, though, on the heels of the president's remarks, president obama saying this talk about stopping any refugees coming to our land must stop. basically people saying you're a bigot if you're classifying these people and not letting them in. how long of a pause are you proposing and what is the risk, senator, specifically the risk if we do not employ that pause in allowing them to enter our borders. >> this was done after 9/11. we have seen a very similar circumstance in france. a pause could be indefinite.

we're meeting over this, talking about the refugee crisis, talking about what we need to do to ensure americans are safe. that is my first priority. i have served in that region as a company commander in kuwait and iraq. i understand the volatility there. but we have to understand the reason we have the refugees is because of the failed policy in the middle east. we have a president that doesn't have a clearly communicated strategy. comprehensive strategy. that's why we have this crisis. but we must keep americans safe. >> sure. senator, i was watching one of the other channels yesterday and i saw a democrat who is defending the -- including and continuing these refugees to come here in the united states because this is a country that takes hundreds of thousands of refugees -- rather, close to 100,000 refugees each and every year. what they said is the screening process is really rigorous. we're going to put up a little

detail about what goes through. it is classified but we do understand there are multiple security checks, there's an in-person interview with someone from the department of homeland security, cultural orientation class as well. ultimately, i think what worry a lot of people, senator, is the fact that we've heard from isis. they're going to try to use this particular refugee crisis to import more terrorists into western nations. we certainly would qualify. >> that is correct, steve. again, we have to push back very hard on this. making sure that we are protecting americans. i understand we have a very thorough vetting process. with the information that we can get our hands-on, but when you have a country such as syria, not willing to provide the background documents, it is very hard to ensure that they are properly vetted. >> senator, what democrats also agree with you and will stand by you with this? we know there was a push by the

speaker yesterday. what about in the senate? >> i think we will have a number of democrats. we will continue working with our colleagues to make sure they understand the significance of protecting american lives. again, that has to be our first priority. >> are they concerned about pushback from the white house that they told you privately they'd like to support you and agree with you but afraid of going public? >> there are a number that will agree with us privately. we'll have to see what pressure from the white house brings to our friends across the aisle. but, again, they need to understand that all of our citizens could be at risk if we're not properly vetting these refugees. >> senator, why would the president not echo your sentiments in saying that? why would the person in the highest position in charge of keeping our nation the most safe, at the very least except a pause in this time? with the good hearted nature that of course as a nation we want to accept refugees. because they're not all bad. but the chance that any number of them could harm our own

citizens, why would our president not share your sentiments? >> well, i would hope that our president would share these sentiments that americans comes first. we are a welcoming nation. but when we put our own lives at risk on our homeland, that's where we differ. for the president to take a pause, he would then be admitting that he has failed in the middle east. he has not destroyed isis. that's why we have this refugee crisis. so, again, we need a president that will stand up and clearly communicate a strategy which will destroy isis. not degrade it or contain it, but destroy it. >> senator, joan i earns, great to hear from you. >> thank you. meanwhile, let's get the white house perspective. when we come back, we go out to the white house.

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we are back now with a fox news alert for you. two terrorists are dead after an hours-long standoff with police in france. >> seven other suspects are under arrest at this hour after authorities raided an apartment in saint-denis in france. >> that's right. it's a northeastern paris suburb. here's what we have learned from that press conference from the prosecutor in saint-denis. cell phones found on the dead terrorists led police to this particular apartment. apparently, they used a gps. found out where the guys were.

went into the apartment. the raid happening in the nick of time. 4:30 in the morning paris time. as another attack was likely in the works. according to reports, apparently it was the target of the next attack was going to be a commercial district in paris. >> that's right. >> finally, they stormed the apartment expecting the mastermind to be holed up inside. as it turns out, he was not i greg palkot is live about a block from that scene in saint-denis. greg, we heard from the prosecutor in this particular case. what's the headline at 6:33 new york time? >> reporter: well, the headline is really guys that things are calmed down here with a cordon still in place two blocks around from the apartment building. that's where we are. pierre showing the police there.

forensic experts are going through that building with a fine tooth comb. there is evidence there. there was fear that there were explosives or booby traps that happily did not seem to be the case. as you noted, it was a big haul for this operation. two terror suspects killed, as you noted. one using a suicide vest, another terror suspect injured in the hustle. seven have been detained. we understand five police officers were also killed in a fuse lad of fire that happened from 4:20 a.m. paris time up until 7:00 in the morning. saint-denis, a suburban area on the outskirts of paris. everybody evacuated immediately around the area. everybody else told to stay inside. the cordon is still in place. yes, some more details. the thinking perhaps was that the mastermind of the friday night paris attacks was actually

there. we've been talking about abaaoud being in raqqah, syria for the past couple of days. it turns out as you say, not there. but there are indications that he was there. what was also important with this operation as you also noted, another attack on paris could have been thwarted by this raid on the area of paris on the western side of the city. a big skyscraper area. a lot of corporate headquarters. an attack on the french business community would have had a real huge impact as well. the traces leading the police to this area, yes. cell phones. it's incredible as you read those details. the cell phones on the seven -- some of the seven dead attackers since friday night. from time to time, guys, i got to tell you, sometimes these people seem like the terrorists that couldn't shoot straight. they rented cars using their own names. they left cars around.

no math. they were quite evident. it's like they didn't care what happened to them at the end as long as they achieved it. unfortunately, the clues weren't picked up prior to them creating the carnage on friday night. but at least this operation successful and it's being wrapped up as we speak. back to you. >> greg, is there a sense that people are going to work today? are they trying to get back to normal or is that even possible considering what has taken place in the pre-dawn raids that has gone on to the afternoon? >> reporter: in this area, absolutely not, brian. i think this town will be shut down for the day. i've been describing it, if you know new york, it's like manhattan is paris and this is queens. usually a bustling working class area. there is nothing moving around here now. no, this town will not get back to normal today. the rest of paris, though, is. i think a lot of people are having the attitude, we won't let them get to us. but the attitude as i've been saying now, not really

solidarity anymore. it's we want to get at them. there's a real anger about what has happened and a real sense of unity on that score that they want revenge. back to you guys. >> thank you, greg. certainly a different scene there than just a few hours ago. a female suicide bomber was killed and even a police dog. and several -- what's interesting is there was a woman wearing awe suicide vest. they woke them up. the police knocked on the door and said can we come in. she detonated a vest that she was wearing. there were early reports, remember, from the concert that one of the shooters was reportedly a woman. this could have been the same person. also, there is news this morning. this is new as well. a ninth person now wanted after new video surveillance has been release. greg palkot was talking about how they were able to figure out what apartment.

there's a police raid in the northeastern suburbs of paris overnight. as you can see, they have en camped there. they thought the mastermind was there. and the reason they were able to do that was on one of the phones that they found from one of the suicide bombers, they were able to track through gps the location. it's interesting. at 9:42 on friday night at exactly moments before they actual opened up fire at the concert, one of the suicide bombers texted this mess ang. off we go. here we go again. then they were able to use gps coordinates and figure out the apartment and apparently, in one of the apartments they found syringes and intubation material which i saw headlines yesterday. were these guys using drugs? they can also be used to make bombs. >> there's another major story out there.

there's a lot of people spinning their political elk saying it's all about politics, especially when it comes to europe. you got to be open, it's part of the eu and new philosophy. guess who thinks the borders were a joke. the 27-year-old of morocco descent from belgium. he talked about going from syria back and forth through europe and not be noticed even after the fact that his face was out and about because of the horrific things he was doing in syria and raqqah as a member of isis. >> you see in this raid that we've beentology here, no one is taking this lightly. thousands of army police and personnel mobilized to provide security. the two weeks following this initial attack will be watched more closely than ever. >> if you think that this guy at -- can go back and forth without being noticed. >> easily. >> he said he recruited two of his buddies since childhood to carry out the murders that killed 129 and wounded 350 and

then walked back again. we thought he might have been in that apartment. he wasn't. he might be back again. but europe has a long way to go to get security. >> as far as us here, governors are taking a stand against accepting syrian refugees. it's for a pause of time. we just spoke with senator joni ernst about this. >> we'll talk to josh earnest about that in the philippines. but overnight. a brand new launch of air strikes happened last night. >> john huddy is live in the mideast newsroom with the latest from jerusalem. john? >> reporter: yeah. the leaders of both france and russia have vowed payback and revenge for the attacks on their countries and they're certainly serving it up at this point with these latest air strikes and attacks in syria. let's start with france's latest air strike. as we know, overnight there are more attacks on syria. france's defense minister said an additional ten french fighter

jets were deployed to attack isis positions, particularly in and around raqqah. now, that is the isis stronghold. really capital in syria. the defense minister said that france will have a total of 36 fighter jets in the region once the charles de gaulle aircraft carrier, really the flagship of france's naval fleet, reaches the mediterranean sea. this, of course, as russia has also stepped up its air campaign, particularly after the kremlin announced yesterday that the russian metrojet airliner that crashed over the sinai peninsula in egypt october 31st was brought down by a bomb planted on board killing all 224 passengers, mostly russian citizens. russian president vladimir putin yesterday vowed revenge saying that those responsible will be ", unquote, punished. russian forces tuesday also

deployed part of the punishment, long-range bombers and those air strikes are expected to continue today also targeting the isis stronghold of raqqah with the help of satellites to really pin down and key in on isis positions. adding again to the punishment, russia launched 34 cruise missile strikes from its cruiser. the moscow based in the mediterrane mediterranean. president putin said yesterday his russian naval forces will coordinate and cooperate with france's navy in the mediterranean basically becoming allies at sea. one u.s. defense official, though, having said that, told fox news that at this point, steve, elisabeth and brian, it's unlikely that both countries are coordinating their air strikes. as i said, the air strikes continued overnight and will likely continue today as the leaders of both countries have vowed revenge and payback, as i

said, for the attacks on their countries. we'll keep a close eye on this. steve, elisabeth, brian. steve huddy live in jerusalem with the latest. if you're just joining us about quarter before 7:00, new york times on the screen left, there was a police elite french s.w.a.t. team that made a raid at 4:30 morning. they thought they had the mastermind frt terror attack in their sights. as it turned out, he was not in the apartment. however, one of the terrorists, a woman, did blow herself up with a suicide vestment. >> there is hope that the seven arrests will give us information. from the philippines, joining us u.s. press secretary, josh earnest joins us. thanks for joining us. good to see you. >> good morning guys >> i want your response about the instant alliance between russia and france and russia and egypt and the amount of terror

targets they've hit. 20 on sunday, more last night and 14 isil targets hit by russia yesterday. if the targets were so ripe, how about we've been at this for over a year and we haven't hit them? >> the fact of the matter is, more than a year ago, the president ordered military targets inside of syria. there are thousands of air strikes conducted by the united states military in iraq and syria. the fact of the matter is, twh it comes to the french operations, the only reason the frep were able to take out the targets over nieft is because they were relying on intelligence information provided by the united states. they were relying on logistical support provided by the united states. midair refueling, the search and rescue. >> why did it take an attack in france for us to hit these spots if we're serous about taking out isis? >> well, what's clear is that as you develop targets over time, more torgts present themselves.

we welcome the stepped up contribution from the french. that doesn't take away from air strikes taken daily over the course of the years. let's talk about the russians real quick. when it comes to the russians, the situation is different. vladimir putin has only recents lip begun to order operations inside by the russians but most have been focused on propping up bashar al assad and attacking his enemies. we would welcome the change in strategy on the part of the russians to focus their efforts on isil. we're not yet to a situation where we're cooperating militarily but steps were taken to ensure that efforts were deconflicted with ours. that doesn't represent ramped up coordination. we need to see more of a commitment from them to focus on isis. >> let me ask you this. following this initial attack in paris where 129 people were brutally killed, the president of the united states referred to

this as something that was a "setback." secretary john kerry, in trying to draw a line of comparison between the "charlie hebdo" attacks and the recent paris attacks said that those attacks at "charlie hebdo" were understandable. do you understand at this point ou the verbiage needs to change a bit. everyone in in world sees them as aloof. apathetic and quite cavalier about these lives being lost at the hands of isis. would you go back and ask for that language to be changed at this point, to reflect some sort of solidarity and intentional aggression against isis? i mean, to call this understandable as it relates to "charlie hebdo" and call this a setback seems awful at least to the american people. >> well, elisabeth, i would ask the american people to look at the transcript of the remarks where he described it as sickening, where he expresses sorrow. i would encourage you to spend

just as much time focusing on the president's actions as you do his words. >> his words -- josh, i will stop you there. the president of the united states. >> let me finish my answer. if you have me on your show. to talk about a serious issue. give me an opportunity to answer the question. >> i would love for you to answer it. >> i'm telling you you should consider. >> go ahead. >> elisabeth, if you want to have me on the show to talk about something serious as national security, ask me a question and i'll answer it. >> we've played fair before. i would let you know the president's words matter to me, not just to the american people but to those around the globe who are very concerned now. our president's words matter. he called it a setback why? just a setback seems cavalier. go ahead and answer the question. >> elisabeth, if you would consider the president's remarks, you will note that he called the attacks sickening and expressed profound sorrow of what occurred. but i would encourage you to spend time to focus on the president's actions.

hours after this terrible terrorist attack took place, the president was on the phone with the president of france to offer any support that they needed in conducting the investigation, carrying out any responses they choose to carry out. hours later, the president convened a meeting of the national security team. he invited the attorney general, secretary of defense and other leaders to discuss what the u.s. response should be. the first question that the president asked in that meeting was to make sure to verify that all of the necessary steps were being taken inside the united states to ensure the safety and security of the american people and the u.s. homeland. after that there was an extended conversation about the intelligence and about what sort of military steps we could take to ramp up our efforts inside of syria and make sure we can support our french allies if they chose to ramp up their efforts inside of syria. that's what they've done and we've supported them as they've done that. >> josh, i know you got to go. before you go, the other question is about the syrian refugees. the administration has made it clear to bring in 10,000 in the

next year or so. the speaker of the house, paul ryan yesterday called for a pause in the syrian refugees coming to the united states. there are many u.s. governors who have said we don't want these guys here because they can't fully be vetted. at this point, is the plan still to accept up to 10,000 syrian refugees? >> that is still the plan. the reason for that is quite simple. the first thing that people should understand, refugees who are admitted to the united states undergo more rigorous screening than anybody else who tries to enter the country. typically, it takes between 18 and 24 months tore people to be cleared as refugees seeking asylum into the united states. this means they're subjected to background interviews, a biometric information is collected from them. their information is run through national security databases. the database that's maintained by the center on national counterterrism. databases by organizations. only then are they allowed into the united states. the fact is we're talking about

widows and orphans and united states since our earliest years has sought to welcome those kinds of individuals into our country and give them the opportunity to start a new life. these are the victims of isil. these are the victims of that terrible war inside of syria. it is in our interest as a country to continue to uphold our tradition of gig them a home united states. >> widows and orphans aren't the problem. i know you have before you have to take off with the president. >> thank you. >> appreciate it, josh, thank you. >> joining us live here in the studio we've got pete hegseth. pete there are a lot of people in this country who were worried about these refugees coming in because isis has made it very clear that they like to sneak the bad guys in with the good guys. >> and they demonstrated the ability to do so. the evidence is that along with those women and children are military-age males who are more -- either are -- have been recruited or are susceptible to recruitment which create a massive, massive problem and it seems that president obama, regardless of the facts on the

ground in europe or elsewhere is just unwilling to challenge this premise that we should welcome as many as we can. >> i don't think there's anything legally, sadly, that we can do. people of texas found out, 750, i know long island is getting a few hundred. we have nothing to do with it. just like we had nothing to do with our southern border we all these women and children streamed across. next thing you know they're in our school sis 23e78. >> absolutely. it fundamentally starts to change the communities. if there are military age males who can exploit it, it's a very dangerous situation. the rhetoric the president is using, a lot of people are worried with. >> we're compassionate people. that's what we're known as a nation. but we also have to be a sovereign nation. how do you strike the balance between welcoming, which makes our country great, and also keeping those that are here safe during the time like this? >> i think people would be more willing to take a look at sensible measures, you know, how do you vet where these folks are coming from without identification? if they felt like the president was taking serious the nature of the threat that they were emanating from. they see no strategy there, no

serio seriousness in the rhetoric and reaction. the president blaming his political opponents as opposed to going after the enemies. and then you add refugees to that and they see no end in sight. >> speaking of the president's rhetoric, yesterday he gave a speech, he's in the philippines, before apec, and what he said, regarding how a number of republicans, and democratic governors as well don't want anybody coming in from syria at this point. this is the president, i cannot think of a more potent recruitment tool for isis than some of the rhetoric that is coming out of here during the course of this debate. so essentially what the president is saying is, this is going to lead to more jihadis and more hits, as well, and if it does, he's going to blame republicans. >> he's referring to republican presidential candidates who are speaking seriously about the nature of the threat and said that there's no more potent recruiting tool. i mean -- if this is the ultimate manifestation of the blame america first crowd this is a guy who is our u.s. president but he is a global citizen. and he's looking around and saying, america's just as to

blame for this as anybody else, we need to make sure we watch our rhetoric, play nice, so that we don't bring more on ourselves. >> we had america's decapitated, we finally take actions because of this in syria, and we hit some targets. a lot of times we don't drop ordnance, if there's no targets on the ground, a lot of time it's drone strikes. we find out there were bombers in a coordinated raid from russia to syria yesterday. there have been about 40 attacks from france. how can we honestly say we're taking this war seriously if we have russia and france doing more in two days than we've done in almost six months? >> we can't. because we're not taking it seriously. because this president hasn't been. the reality is, those of us who want to see a much more robust approach against isis don't believe that this commander in chief is even capable of it. and we want to see it, but what's it going to be? an intensified bombing campaign with loosening rules of engagement? what's it going to be the ability for more americans to lead alongside local forces? are we going to see any of that? do i trust that he's going to

give our trigger pullers on the ground the kind of latitude they would need to crush isis? that's a scary thing to think about. >> are you speaking as a military member? what's the heart of our military right now and what our men and women are willing to do? >> well, they -- you saw the g-20, also. the basically used the troops as an excuse for inaction. i go to walter reed, of course that's in the heart of any commander in chief. but he basically said i don't want to do this when i come back wounded. when you ask vets about why they serve, they do it because they love it. they believe in it. they believe in this country. they're willing to give their lives for something -- >> when you see a military person serving over there, they are preventing people from jumping out of the 76th floor of the next world trade center. because there is the coordination. because the longer we leave this problem the greater the threat and the more damage they're going to do here. they've established a country while we watched. >> a terrorist nation. a rat cal islamist terrorist caliphate under our nose. no one wants to just throw troops at a problem. that's not what any vet --

>> -- any military commanders would do. >> of course it's not what they would do. this is about giving them the tools they need to defeat this vicious enemy. >> speaking of the vicious enemy. folks who are just joining us right now, we're splitting the screen, the left side is paris, france, where there was an elite french s.w.a.t. team went in, they believed that the mastermind was in an apartment just about a block away from there. pete we have not asked you for your observations about this particular overnight s.w.a.t. operation. it looks like it was a success in finding at least one or two of the terrorists. i know there was a woman in the apartment with a belt bomb and as soon as the cops came in she blew herself up. >> it just confirms the war zone that paris is living with right now. i mean it's not a war zone for parisians. it's not a war zone for us. but it is a piece of terrain in a war zone for the enemy that seeks to use it to advance. and there's going to be more raids like this, and the fact that it's grenades and suicide bombings, those are wartime, war

zone tactics being used -- >> general mcchrystal talked about this, a comprehensive effort from the fbi, cia and police seems to have this unit if something was happening in a major city that needs coordinates and details that could help us in a war zone, these guys are tied right to the war zone, they take their guns and ak-47s into the city. do you think there's a holistic effort that still exists that petraeus had going? >> that was something they had going in iraq and afghanistan realtime evidence being turned into immediate raids. we feel like that's happening between paris right now and raqqah, i fear not. there's a few minor moments where maybe it's happened. we've seen a few raids here and there. but that infrastructure has largely been dismantled. if you don't have the ability the ground and the intelligence on the ground, you can't act on actionable intelligence. >> sure. of course that's all over there. the worry is that isis has imported this terror here. >> yeah. >> and they're just watching and they're just waiting. >> we're bringing them. >> thank you for your time. >> pete, thank you very much. we're going to take a quick

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excuse me miss, have you seen our truck? you just missed it. ahhh! aw man are you kiddin' me? good morning to you. today is wednesday, november 18th. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. a fox news alert for you now. two terrorists dead. seven arrested after an intense overnight standoff in france. [ gunshots ] this morning the hunt for the mastermind behind the attacks takes a surprising new turn. >> all right. this just in. that terrorist hideout may be booby trapped, or was it just another attempt to kill more innocent people? the man who raided the compound and shot him here live. >> and in the wake of these attacks, the president still plans to let migrants come into this country from the country of syria. donald trump calling the president quote insane.

mr. trump joins us live within the next half hour. "fox & friends" live from new york, and once again, paris, starts in -- right now. it's 7:00 in new york. it's 1:00 in paris. [ gunshots ] >> imagine hearing that in the middle of the night. two terrorists are dead after an hours-long standoff with police in france. >> seven other suspects under arrest after authorities raided an apartment in saint-denis, and it may have been just in the nick of time. >> okay. here's what we know on this wednesday morning. cell phones found on and near the dead terrorists have led to this particular apartment. and officials say another attack was likely in the works, and soon. apparently they had targeted a commercial district in paris.

the mastermind behind the terror attacks was believed to be inside the apartment when they raided it at 4:30 this morning paris time. but at this point, it appears he was not there. however, there was a woman with a belt bomb who blew herself up. >> that's right. in fact, greg palkot is live just steps away from that very scene in saint-denis. greg you've been there throughout this raid and time. what is happening on the ground right now? >> well, all calm guys, here. but a couple hours ago, a block and a half behind me it was a war zone. at least an hour, maybe more, a fusillade of fire coming from police into the apartment where the terror suspects were. the terror suspects firing back, ak-47s, explosives, stun grenade, you name it. at the end of the day you're right, two terror suspects dead. one of them a woman blowing up a suicide vest. one injured, all told seven terror suspects detained. and to show you the force of this shoot-out, five policemen

injured, as well. again, a cordon kept around this area, while forensic teams went in there, expecting possibly to find explosives or booby traps. certainly looking for more evidence. and yet, the report is that perhaps they thwarted another attack on the business area of paris, because of this. they were looking for the mastermind of friday night's attack but the word is he was not there but signs that at least his handiwork was there, and once again, this town breathing a little bit easier right now. but they had a long, noisy night. back to you. >> they did, greg palkot. thanks so much. greg earlier described this area of paris like queens, new york. a man that knows queens, new york, mayor rudy giuliani. when you have a major terror raid with a terror cell like that in a place as dense as this what are the major challenges? >> i know that area of paris. it creates a sense of terror, actually. i mean for awhile the people

probably didn't know that this was the police going after the bad guys, and probably thought oh, my god, here's another terror attack. >> right. >> and i imagine the tension level there, i talked to a few people in paris, is, you know, sky high. and it's going to remain that way. >> these are attacks -- >> took new york about three, four weeks to sort of get on a steady keel after september 11th. >> rudy, it sounds like there are reports from the scene that apparently the woman who was wearing the belt bomb, who blew herself up, may have been a relative to somebody -- a relative perhaps to one of the terrorists. we still don't know -- there were reports from friday the 13th on that evening that there could have been a woman in the concert hall. >> right. >> with an ak-47. >> we've got the driver missing and the main mastermind missing. a report said his family was rejoicing a couple months ago when they thought he was dead. >> they hate him. >> what are we dealing with

here? are we dealing with an absolute maniac? >> who bragged that he could go through the borders through europe back and forth to syria without being stopped. >> and i bet he could pass a u.s. vetting process. >> yeah. >> speaking of, with the -- with the syrian refugee crisis, you know, the united states is facing what the president now says 10,000 coming in by the end of this year. >> yeah. >> where do you stand on that? >> first of all for the president to use this as the republicans are, you know, creating a problem, this problem would not exist if president obama had done what senator mccain and senator graham and senator ayotte and i think senator feinstein recommended five years ago. set up a no-fly zone. have a safe place for syrians who don't want to be engaged in the civil war to exist, surround it with nato or multinational troops, and shoot down any plane that goes over it. >> this is what donald trump is also -- >> this is precisely where these people should be put. this is where they belong. this is their home.

this is their homeland. >> in the region. >> they can be protected. they also would have the effect of pushing isis back. because he would carve out a safe area, it would put 20,000, 30,000 troops, looks to me like the french will participate. the russians will participate. right now we are, as two newspapers described it as, once again leading from behind. president obama is kind of, you know, waving at the train as it's going by. >> he's in the philippines, there's a meeting next week. >> putin got together a better raid than we've seen in a long time in a day. >> rudy, i want to talk to you a little bit about this. people are looking in and they go, okay, it's terrible what's happening in paris, but isis has made it clear, next stop, washington, new york, places like that. there is an item yesterday that we talked about, about how the new york city police department is preparing for 24 simultaneous attacks to happen, in new york city, at the same time. if they're that specific, what kind of intel are they getting?

>> well, you know, they say they have no specific threat. but the reality is, as you look at isis, it has to be just so appealing to them to attack america. whether it's new york, whether it's middle america, whether it's washington, d.c. in a way, it would almost -- they'd almost think of it as a failure if they didn't hit new york after having hit paris. >> 24 simultaneous attacks? >> nypd is, and i say this with great respect to all police departments around the country, the best police department in the united states. there are 36,000 new york city police officers. there are about 15,000 fbi agents. just to give you an idea. it's the largest -- >> got another 1,000. >> so i used to have 41,000 which i think it should be. on september 11th i had 41,000. >> how many do we have now? >> about 36,000, 37,000. it's the largest law enforcement organization in the world. it knows more about terrorism than any law enforcement organization except possibly the fbi. and it works in a joint

terrorism task force that's 35 years old that i used to work with and run when i was u.s. attorney. going way back when i was a baby. and we've got about as much protection as you're capable of having. we've got a police commissioner in bratton who trains the los angeles police in what's called a precursor to terror. how to look for terrorists. >> how do you? >> well, you look at suspicious activity. two men on a subway. the train goes by. they stand there. train goes by, they stand there. train goes by they stand there. police officer notices them, goes and follows them home, reports it to the joint terrorism task force, picks a picture out of a lineup and at 5:00 in the morning they raid the police where these people were. this is an actual case i'm telling you about that happened in the 1990s. that's our police before september 11th. we were training them in the precursors of terrorism. under capitol hill and now bratton they're trained even better. >> and we just saw six attacks

at the same time by a small number of people. so alludes to the fact that there could be 24 coordinated attacks -- >> 24 coordinated attacks we have a better chance of picking up than one attack. >> right. >> we need to stop them all, though. >> well, 24 coordinated attacks means there's a lot of work done in advance. >> a lot of moving parts. >> the more work done in advance the more chance an informant's going to pick something up. and i can't believe we don't have human intelligence. i do think mayor de blasio heard hurt us by taking the police out of the mosques. i put the police in the mosques. i did that in 1994 because of the 1993 bombing because it was planned in a mosque in union city, new jersey and i wasn't going to have that happen again. >> sure. >> a lot of people are wondering, i live in new york, i live in washington, should i change my behavior? i know i've heard from some people in law enforcement -- >> no. >> they say avoid the subway this week, on capitol hill, staffers are being told whenever

you can take a tunnel between the buildings on capitol hill. >> here's what i say to people and have said for years having witnessed probably more terrorism than anyone, right? worst attack in the history of america was september 11th. do not change your behavior. the hell with them. do not change your behavior. you're going to die. we're all going to die. it's probably not going to be terrorism. yes, they can strike us here and they can strike us there. but this is not britain and the 1940s. they can't come over and take over our country. there will be a few attacks. it's going to be horrible. it's going to be random. but we've got to get through it. and we've got to show resiliency. i was in london, believe it or not, i was in london -- >> on the day of the bombings. >> i was a half a block away from liverpool station. and prime minister blair put me on television that day. because of the resiliency new york has shown. london was completely empty that day. the next morning, the people of london came back to work, you

would not have known anything happened. >> right. >> but of course, these are the sons and grandsons of the people who lived through the battle of britain, the i.r.a. >> and that was the most sophisticated attacks since paris right there. >> yeah. >> i want to bring you to something else. i just want to contrast if we can, vladimir putin who now knows for sure that his plane was shot out of the sky and 224 people who wanted to go on vacation are now dead. he said to send in is up to me. he worked out coordination with egypt and he's worked out coordination with france. they've been bombing for the last two days. in raqqah, at terror targets right there. where are we? compare that to president obama. >> the greatest military power on earth is following. we're watching. we've become an observation army. i mean that is disgraceful. president obama should have been -- >> hang on. >> president obama was leading this -- >> mayor, we've got a press conference right now. french president hollande is speaking about the raids overnight. let's listen.

>> -- i imagine how serious the inhabitants of saint-denis, and i salute their calm. i also want to formulate my solidarity to the mayor of saint-denis who already went through the attack next to the stade de france, at the stade de france, and one more time was there, present next to the law enforcement at the moment where the raid was started. i also want, finally, to express our gratitude, our admiration, to law enforcement, police officer that launched this operation. they knew the danger.

they were probably underestimated the violence that they were going to face. and, they went to the end of their mission. several were wounded. and i also think about the police officers, the same ones, and others, that went to the bataclan, in terrifying conditions to get the terrorists, and they wanted to neutralize, to neutralize them. ladies and gentlemen, the mayors, france is proud to have this type of forces, this quality to protect our citizens. this action confirms, one more

time, that we are at war. a war against terrorism that itself has decided to lead the war. this organization daesh, jihadist, has an army which resources, financial resources, oil resources, occupies a territory, has accomplices in europe. and inside our own country, with young islamists radicalized. it's committing massacres there, and wants to kill here. it has killed during the night of november 13th, at least 129 people lost their lives.

we're thinking about them. women, gentlemen who have been killed, traumatized. we're thinking about their families. mourning in an incredible mourning. this terrorist attack have brought blood in paris but it involves every french citizen, wherever they live. because, this is the entire country that has been attacked. because of what the country represents. the values, the combat that is leading to eradicate terrorism. and simply because of what we are. what the terrorists wanted to aim is the idea of france. what is it representing?

>> we've been listening to the president of france hollande right there addressing the mayors of france. this was an event that was planned in advance. you know, unbeknownst to him when they scheduled it they did not know there was going to be a police raid at 4:30 in the morning in the northeastern paris suburb. he just talked a little bit about that. continuing the conversation about what happened overnight. we have rudy giuliani with us. and we also have rob o'neil, the man who killed osama bin laden. rudy, how important is it to see the president of france out in front of people, talking about this? >> critical. first of all, it's the mayors who are the front line, right? the response in paris, each have a mayor, they're very local, they're very well known, giving them encouragement, giving them support. that's churchillian. churchill was out there leading the pack. and putin is leading the pack. and our president is fighting with the press. >> in the philippines. >> and to -- and to see the

united states stand by, the greatest military power on earth, while france and russia lead this, is the reason we're in the trouble we're in. taking the troops out of iraq made it possible for isis to exist. because if we had 30,000, 40,000 troops in iraq and on the border of syria, we would have picked up isis on day one. >> we didn't need 40, we could have 15. >> and second, the president should have listened to mccain five years ago and set up the no-fly zone. and we would not have this problem of refugees. president obama has caused the problem of refugees because he will not do a safe zone in syria. not the republican party, not the press, brohm. and isis is the creation of president obama's leading a vacuum. power avoids a vacuum and into that vacuum has moved isis. >> mr. mayor, we thank you for your comments on this. right now, we'd like you to stay

here right now as we bring in rob o'neil, the man who killed osama bin laden. you know raids well. we just watched in saint-denis this raid that took place at their time 4:30 a.m. the mastermind of the paris attacks was believed to be holed up inside that apartment. what goes into a raid, what are they afraid of initially we heard this could be a booby trapped apartment. there was a female suicide who blew up herself and all that around her with a vest. what, what, what do we need to know about this particular situation that they were walking into? >> well, elisabeth, what stuck out to me the most was the amount of fight, the ferocity that went on once the team got there. what they've been doing around france has been taking down different places, gathering intelligence and trying to develop new targets. when they got here the initial volley, the grenades going off, they're protecting something. something important, either high value individual, or they're protecting a plot that they were going to execute later. >> are you upset about the level of intelligence there or is that something -- >> no, i think the way they did

everything was great. something happened, they escalated force. everything with one of the suspects, terrorists was killed by a sniper. the second was a suicide bomber who detonated herself when a dog went in. what that tells me is the french s.w.a.t. team is doing everything they're needing to do, escalating and de-escalating. doing the barricaded flow, sending dogs in to the threat. >> do you think that people who have speculated like reuters that they were about to do another operation and that's why she had it, can you hear a knock on the door and throw a vest on that quick? >> from the stuff i've seen they can throw a vest on real quick. a lot of people sleep in them. >> what we're looking at is where they were breaking down the door. this is at a church across the street from the apartment where they presume the mastermind was. they went in there, we don't know what happened ultimately. rob, there is also a report that apparently the woman who blew herself up, the terrorist, was the wife of the mastermind. so you know, to your point -- >> yes, she could have been

protecting the high value target which was her husband, the mastermind. >> right. if they can find out this quickly who that was that's pretty impressive. if the wife was there -- one of his wives was there and he left and she's protecting something that he had or he was there himself. >> how many times have you been -- i know the answer so this, you were involved in a lot of night raids. >> yes. >> where you would go in in the middle of the night. and the reason you do that is the element of surprise. >> yes. >> obviously. >> mm-hmm. hundreds and hundreds. the majority, over 90% of the raids i did were at night. we do it for the element of surprise. and we've seen this before with some of these women. we've seen them act as human shields. we've seen them stand there and shine flashlights on the guys as they stand in front of the insurgents. >> and when you raided osama bin laden's three-story complex, you were worried that one of the women, right there, had a belt bomb. >> when we went up the final set of stairs we went up there as quickly as we could because we saw them behind the curtain and we knew they were putting on vests, even though they weren't.

when went in there expecting to get blown up by a female suicide bomber at that point. you can't put anything past them. when they're doing something like this, like i said, they're guarding something. this is an important target. >> three police officers wounded in the raid including the police dog that was hit. a civilian was killed also. who just happened to be there. so that's extremely tough target. >> it's a very tough target. >> it's a dense area. >> yeah, it's an urban environment. i give the police nothing but credit. going in to a building where they're already shooting kalashnikovs at you, they're very, very loud. they're very indim tating. and to go in there and to try to do the right thing, that's just guts right there. >> and this is isis. these guys are isis guys. and you fought against isis. they used to be called something else. >> we fought against isis when they were known as al qaeda in iraq and they were led by a jordanian abu musab al dark you aki. we fought him in iraq. when we had guys on the ground to fight him, they weren't the tough guys they are today. now because they've been emboldened, nobody is really fighting them, they think

they're tougher than they are, they have this idea ol of the calipha caliphate, martyrdom -- >> that's the key the ideology. >> how did the russians get all these targets all of a sudden? how did the french get all of the targets all of a sudden? >> that's a very good question. they're saying just because of the attacks in france we hit a training camp and hit this and that. if we knew there was a training camp why aren't we hitting them? >> we weren't blowing up the oil, weren't taking out the trucks. how do you explain that? >> i can't explain that. the russians are going to take the gloves off because of the airliner that was brought down by isis. and they see it coming. and for some reason we don't see it coming. it's coming right here. it's going to be in europe now. this isn't the last one. the one on friday wasn't the last one. these people are coming in. they want to establish the caliphate. they're doing it right now. this is all part of that scheme. >> and there have been reports that the two weeks following this attack are under intense look for security and that there was, in fact, an imminent attack planned for very near future following this raid right here and that it could have been completely averted by this raid. >> it could have been, sure.

there's going to be more out there. they're looking for these soft targets. the gun free zones. they're looking for civilians. >> and if we could broaden this out, now we have thousands of refugees going to be coming here. 760 ended up in texas. 300 end up in louisiana. the governors don't even know it. mr. mayor our governor says if we reject these refugees we have lost our soul. >> well, unless we know the background of these refugees, they shouldn't be let in. and i'm -- i don't know how you can do a background check in a place like syria where you're not going to get records, you're not going to get honest records, and the governors should not the fact that isis has said they are going to sneak people in this way. isis is telling us what they're going to do. >> but we take -- >> first of all, they've told us -- they've told us we're going to hit washington, we're going to hit other western targets. let's take them at their word. all right? and they said they're going to sneak people in with all of these refugees. let's take them at their word. and let's vet them. but really vet them. not, if we have clear records

that these people are not terrorists, that they're honest, that they're -- but that's going to be hard to get. and a long process. >> you cordoned off fallujah and ramadi. you took attendance. you gave these people i.d. cards in the middle of a war, correct? >> i personally was not involved with that battle of fallujah. but yeah, that's what they were doing. the marine corps stuff, coordinating up, going house to house. that's correct. and right now you're seeing the same thing in paris. but as far as like the mayor was saying we can't just let these people in here without vetting them. we have a tough time vetting our own people. we have people that are felons that have been able to purchase guns just because of a three-day the ridiculous stuff that we put on ourselves. this is coming here and it's all going to come together with the unsecured borders to the gun free zones they're going to work with the cartels, get guns across, and the place that i would think they'd hit are either elementary schools or college campuses. >> shopping malls? >> shopping malls, too, especially during the holiday season. >> the answer is a -- a fly zone, a safe fly zone, in syria,

that we protect, france protects, russia protects, and anybody else that wants -- >> and finance. >> and finances. and they stay there, and then when things settle down in syria, they can go back -- >> that's what a leader does. >> five months ago, the reason this is this is because president obama didn't do this five years ago. >> all right. rudy giuliani. rob o'neill, thank you both for joining the conversation. >> thank you all. appreciate it. >> all right. >> and now this, to security at our airports. take a look at this. at least two dozen people from minneapolis have left to join the terrorists. many of them have succeeded. >> oh, great. >> and had to get there by air. >> this as we learn two air france flights from the united states to paris were diverted yesterday because of bomb threats that were phoned in. >> well, fox reporter bill kelly joins us from minneapolis-st. paul international airport with some of the aftermath. bill, what's happening this morning? >> well, just to be clear, none of those flights that were

diverted actually originated here at msp. but just before those authorities in france began conducting those raids, there were two flights that were bound for paris, they had to be diverted over terrorism concerns. thankfully no credible threats were found. we're talking about air france flight 65, that started at l.a.x. it was headed to charles de gaulle airport in paris. that had to make an unscheduled landing in salt lake city. the result of a second flight that took off from dulles international airport outside of washington, d.c. diverted to halifax on canada's east coast. now officials say that both planes landed safely. the aircraft were parked away from the main terminals. the passengers got off the planes, and of course the luggage in the plane was searched in both of those cases. thankfully, again, nothing was found that was a major threat. as to the air france flight 55, that was the one that landed in halifax, the royal canadian mounted police said that investigators found no evidence of any explosive devices, after searching the plane or the luggage.

so, again, both of those passengers were able to get back on their flights, and continue their destination back on to paris. >> all right. bill keller, thanks so much. we'll check in with you again should anything happen. so two scares overnight along with what happened over the german soccer game and the ridiculous chant was also heard in turkey. people are on edge. >> look, somebody phones in a bomb threat to an airliner in the sky right then you got to be careful. >> for sure. >> 27 minutes now after the hour. coming up, have you heard what donald trump said about president obama's plan for syrian refugees? >> we don't even know who they are. they could be isis. they could be anybody. what's our president doing? is he insane? >> so would a president donald trump? what would he do if he was in the white house right now? have an idea, let's ask him. he'll be with us next. jeb bush: leadership means you've got to be all in.

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terrorist mastermind of the murders on friday night. there's also a report out that she may have been the wife. so, you know, so far we don't know for sure. >> that's right. the two terrorists died in that raid and seven more are under arrest after an hours-long standoff in saint-denis. and now we know that the raid may have been just in the nick of time. officials are saying another attack was likely in the works. >> all right. so let's get an update. greg palkot has been on the ground right on the scene. tell us what's happening at this hour. i see a huge crowd behind you. >> exactly. let me explain, guys. the cordon was lifted almost completely. we are quite close to where t the -- where the terrorists were holed up. here just zoom beyond the people and show them the building. this general building is where the actual shoot-out happened. i think the sense that i get, from being here, is how loud,

how noisy, what a scene it must have been. this is five, six stories on either side. you've heard the video. you've heard what's on the amateur video for about an hour and a half, starting at 4:20 there was a massive fusillade of ak-47 fire, automatic weapon, stun grenades, explosions, the one woman blowing herself up. went on for that period of time shaking up this entire city, and then it died down. we thought perhaps it was one more person inside. we thought there was a siege, but no. it turned out not. and the forensic experts went in about an hour ago. again the toll is two terror suspects dead. seven terror suspects in custody. and five policemen hurt as well in that back and forth. and some details, yes, the report is that there could have been a terror plot planned there. and i think the important one note i must sneak in here, the brain -- the mastermind of the

friday night isis attacks on paris was the target was this raid. we still don't know whether he was there. there is another dead terror suspect, according to a police analyst, he was so messed up, is a rough way to describe it, that police do not know what his identity is. and he will have to be tested. so there's still the chance, the chance that the mastermind of these attacks could have been there. we have no confirmation, though. back to you guys. >> so blown apart. we don't know. greg palkot on the streets of paris. now let's go to trump towers here in the heart of midtown manhattan and donald trump joins us. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> before we talk about what went down overnight in paris, i see the top column on drudge right now, according to a reuters five-day presidential poll, you are leading the republicans by a big margin.

you got 36, ben carson's got 14, marco rubio's got 11. and looks like ted cruz has got 8. given that, your reaction to what went down overnight in paris? >> well, i think the french police did a really good job. not easy. there's nothing easy about this stuff. these are really sick people. and we got to take them out. and we have to take them out strongly. and i really respect the french police for the job they did. that was dangerous work and they were in there, and they were really going at it. and we all have to do that. we all have to do that. you know, if you think about it in our country, we have 300 million people that can watch. because you know, they have to live someplace. and they're living around somebody. and people really have to be vigilant. they have to see. they understand what's going on, if they see certain activity that's not like, you know, mr. smith, mr. and mrs. smith, your next door neighbor, right? and if they see this, they have to report it to the police -- >> do something. >> the police are terrific,

right? we have so many people that are watching. and if they really are vigilant in watching we really should be able to find just about all of these people, most of these people, if you think about it. >> so, i also noticed overnight there was an alliance, instant alliance, russia and france and also an instant alliance between russia and egypt and immediate bombings taking place over the last three days. so does it bother you that america's not involved in this? because in the past you've said, let russia do it. >> well, i don't mind that russia does it. and now all of a sudden they're saying i'm right. four weeks ago i took a little heat when russia was bombing the hell out of everybody. and frankly one of the big problems we have is a conflict of interest, because we're supporting rebels that we have no idea who they are against assad. we have no idea who those rebels are. you know, that's the big problem. and every time we support rebels that we don't know, they end up being worse than the guy that was in there. assad's a bad guy. but we're supporting people that are probably -- >> would you allow these alliances to take place without america. >> do we have a choice, really? look, if you think about it, when russia is bombing isis, i

think what we have to do is get rid of isis. okay? and we have a good relationship with france. the problem is we have a president that doesn't know what he's doing. we have a president that doesn't do an alliance because nobody likes him. it's hard to do an alliance when you have a president that nobody likes. >> when you contrast what the president has been saying with some of the other leaders globally, i mean you have putin saying, it's god's job to forgive these men, it's my job to bring them to god. you have president hollande who just spoke to the governors there in france, and he's -- sorry the mayors in france there saying i -- i'm compassionate with those children who were torn by this action, by these terrorists, but i'm taking strong action. he has strong words. and then our president seems weak verbally at times when it comes to this subject. >> i thought the news conference he had the other day, two days ago, was really an affront. it was just terrible. it was so unprofessional. he was angry at the press, and,

you know, people have just been killed and you have these animals out there shooting everybody, and frankly, you know, he wasn't angry at them. he was angry at the press. and i think he was angry at the republicans. i think mainly me but he didn't want to use the name, which is fine. but i think he was angry at the republicans. but he was really angry at the press. and he showed very little anger toward the people that did all this carnage. >> you know what, donald trump, the president said at the apec address last night, he said because -- and we're talking about the refugees now, you know, this administration has said we'll take up to 10,000 refugees. the president said because republicans have said we've got to stop right now, the president said i cannot think of a more potent recruitment tool for isis than some of the rhetoric that's coming out of here during the course of this debate. so what he's saying really, my perspective, is he's saying okay, if more jihadis are recruited and there are more attacks, ladies and gentlemen, blame republicans. >> right. well, he said a lot of things. and he's not a good

representative. it's not a natural fit. i mean, here's the job description. let me tell you. the job description is not a natural fit for him. it's not working. hasn't worked. you look at all of the problems, beyond this, and now this is the big one. because this is safety and this is life. but you look at all of the problems we have trade, with obamacare, with all of the things he's done, it's been a disaster. >> mr. trump, you made it clear that you're not a fan of the president and what he's doing. you went to instagram late yesterday, and you posted this regarding the president's judgment. and the refugees. >> we don't even know who they are. they could be isis, they could be anybody. what's our president doing? is he insane? >> so what would a president trump's plan be in this situation, mr. trump? >> well, what i'm talking about is, you know, the migration and we're taking in thousands of people, and we're bringing them in and we have no idea who they

are. and as you probably heard, you probably reported it, knowing you before anybody else but you know better than anybody, but already they're missing one. one person's gone. they don't know what happened to the person. and you look at that migration, and i pointed this out a couple of weeks ago when i first saw it, they're like, it's so many men. so many strong, young men. i'm saying where are the women? where are the children? i mean there's so many -- so we're taking people in. and we don't know where these people come from. we don't know who they are, where they are. there's no papers, no -- >> they're like the rebels who we are arming. >> do you agree that we should have a safe zone set up for them? >> i like that. because, look, on a humanitarian basis the whole thing is terrible. but they should have a safe zone in syria. and we should help with the safe zone. and we should get the gulf states 40 are not doing anything, and they're tremendous wealthy, they're not taking in people. they're too smart. they're saying we don't want anybody. and what merkel has done to germany is unbelievable. i mean, she's going to go down -- she was really doing, i thought she was a terrific

leader. she's turning out to be a horrible leader. what she's doing to germany in one fell swoop. you see what's going on over there. what we should have is we should have a beautiful, safe zone and then ultimately some day they'll be able to go back to where they want to be in syria. but keep everybody -- keep everybody in syria. this is crazy what's going on. but we cannot have them in the united states. >> rudy giuliani just said the same thing. >> secretary of state john kerry said this yesterday, he was sent over in a surprise visit to hollande. he indicated well this is impossible to figure out why these attacks took place. the "charlie hebdo" attacks make kind of sense. they were particularly focused and perhaps have a legitimacy to them. what's your reaction to our secretary of state saying the hebdo attacks had a legitimacy to them? >> anybody that made the deal with iran, which is perhaps the worst transaction of any kind that i've ever seen, one of the dumbest with $150 billion going to iran, and self-policing, and everything else, and we don't get our prisoners back, anybody

that made that deal can say anything, because that person, you know, doesn't make any difference what they say. >> the secretary of state is an important position. you know earlier elisabeth we had a chance to talk to josh earnest. elisabeth and josh earnest got into it over his -- over the president's use of words. i just want to play it for you and get your impression. >> okay. >> to call this just a setback seems awful, at least to the american people. >> well, elisabeth, what you need to ask the american people to do is look at the transcript of the president's remarks where he described the situation as sickening, where he expressed his profound sorrow at exactly what occurred. i think what i would encourage you to do is spend just as much time focusing on the president's actions as you do his words. >> his words matter, josh, i will stop you there. the president of the united states' words matter -- >> have me on your show, elisabeth -- >> i will focus on my president's words, josh -- >> then give me an opportunity to answer the question. >> i would love for you to answer it. but i -- >> by telling you that you

should consider -- >> go ahead. >> elisabeth, if you want to have me on the show to talk about something serious about national security you can ask me a question and i will answer it. >> josh, we've played fair before. i'm letting you know that our president's words matter. not just to me. not just to the american people. but to those around the globe, who are very concerned right now -- >> words are important. that was something, you know, he didn't do good opposition research on elisabeth. because if he would have seen the real elisabeth. i watched her take apart rosie o'donnell and just -- rosie quit. she never came back to the show after elisabeth did a number. elisabeth did better than i did. i was always very angry about that. so he did a very poor job of opposition research. no, that's elisabeth. she's great. what can i tell you? >> you're kind, mr. trump. i like josh earnest. i like the press secrethere. but i do believe that people pay attention to all of the president's words. >> absolutely correct. >> they don't just pay attention to some of the words and not others. >> and lastly, bobby jindal dropped out yesterday. your reaction? >> well, he was, you know, a

little nasty with me. but i think ultimately was very nice. and he tried. and you know, everybody's nasty to me because they want to get votes. they figure they'll get a little publicity and maybe get some votes. perry was very nasty to me. and a couple of them. but, i almost -- look, you know, he was in there. he tried very hard. i think he's a nice guy. i think he's a good man. and, you know, i'm not unhappy to see one by one they go. >> okay. well you're at the top of the pack. don't blame you for that. donald trump joining us from somewhere in his empire. sir, thank you. have a great day today. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we've got to find my phone and find out where he is. >> i think we know where it is. trump tower. coming up the mastermind of the terror attacks still nowhere to be found. could he be in molenbeek, belgium. the biggest terror hot bed in europe. former u.s. bass door was just there and joins us with live reaction next.

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big story on this wednesday morning, right there. a french police s.w.a.t. team raided a paris apartment overnight, starting at 4:30 paris time. they were targeting the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks from friday the 13th who was originally from belgium. so what do we know about the belgian connection? joining us right now howard gutman the former u.s. ambassador to belgium, and was in a jihadi hot spot area in the city just outside -- yesterday in molenbeek, which is in brussels, and he joins us on the phone from belgium. mr. ambassador, good morning. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm doing okay. so, you know, we woke up this morning, there was this s.w.a.t. team operation. how do you think they were able to figure out that the bad guys could be in that apartment? >> so this is to be expected. normally as you've heard, it takes ten security people to watch one person full time. and none of the countries have

the assets to do it. but since the outbreak in paris, all the people have been working overtime and watching, listening to the phones, reading the e-mail, and watching their suspects. and that's turned up leads to a number of apartments. there were raids yesterday in molenbeek, shake the trees, see what you get. raids in saint-denis in france, and on this one in saint-denis they got, you know, either from telephones or from a tip, both of which have been plentiful over the last few days, they went, knocked on the door in saint-denis and this time they got met by a suicide bomb vest wearing woman so that one is, you know, turned up targets. some of the others have been empty. but i'm sure they're still going to be kicking doors for quite awhile. >> ever since edward snowden revealed some of the practices that the national security people use, people have said well, you know, all their sources have dried up. that's not the case. we understand that apparently they did find one of the bad guys' cell phones near the

concert hall and they went through the phone, went through the records, found the gps, found out where some of these guys were in the last 48 hours, and were able to start connecting dots. >> but you got to realize how unusual this is for europe. when i got to europe as ambassador in 2009 there were no wiretap statutes. they were not allowed to trace phones, they were not allowed to listen to conversations, they were not allowed to go inside apartments and see what was happening. they believe that 9/11 was something that happened to us, and that privacy was something that they valued and we didn't. today, they've now all adopted wirestop statutes. they've adapted statutes that allow them to kick down doors and they are as vigilant as we are promoting security today here in europe. >> ambassador, what is your short explanation for why so many young men from belgium seem to be involved in the paris hit? >> so, remember, belgium has a large muslim population. the product of moroccan and

turkish immigration in the last decades. they came in to -- these are their children and their children's children. there's 35% youth unemployment in some of these neighborhoods. >> yeah. >> and so originally these people did not go to syria to fight the west. they were sunnis living in belgium, who watched pictures of assad use chemical weapons in syria. they went to fight assad, along with moderate sunnis, but also isis was fighting assad. >> right. >> and so you now have 200 people on the streets of belgium, trained, young muslims trained in military weapons, unemployed, and with ties to isis and to modern sunnis, and when one brother calls the other brother and says pick up some kalashnikovs and go to a couple of venues and start shooting that can create massive havoc. >> that's right. nice way to describe what sounds like happened over the last week or so. howard gutman, sir thank you very much. >> all the best. >> all right. all right. coming up on this wednesday, the

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a fox news alert this morning. the list of governors who want to shut down the door on the administration's plan to take in more syrian refugees now growing to 33. our next guest is among those state leaders, joining us now the governor of florida rick scott. governor you were on a conference call yesterday. it was the intent from the white house to assuage your worries about the syrians coming to our country. were you assuaged? >> no. i became more concerned. here are the facts. they're not going to pause. they couldn't explain to me how

the u.s. vetting process is any better than the french vetting process, even though we know one of the terrorists posed as a syrian refugee. they do background checks. they're not going to give me or any of our law enforcement in florida the background checks. and they're not going to give us any power, which we don't have now. that's why what i ask is let's take a pause, we see that france is still developing, we saw what happened today. there was a raid today. let's figure out exactly what happened here. that's why i asked speaker ryan and majority leader mitch mcconnell to say don't use any federal funds to relocate any syrian refugees in florida. they're not going to tell us anything. i have to defend the 20 million people that live in my state. >> it's unbelievable. 18 governors have said the syrian refugees -- and we think they're syrian, we don't even know, will not be allowed to resettle in their states. but the bottom line, as frustrating as it is, the reality is, you have no control of this. >> we have no control. they're not going to give us background information.

they're not going to tell us where. they're not going to tell us who. and i'm responsible for 20 million people's safety, and over 100 million tourists a year. now that, to me, i mean that's concerning. so the conference call with the white house yesterday didn't help me at all. it made me even more concerned. think about it, they can't tell me how the vetting process is better than the french. the french must have been trying to do a good job for their country. they won't give me background information. and they won't give me any power to take care of the citizens of my state and the visitors to my state. that's wrong, it's concerning, it's troubling. >> how many are you getting? >> right now, they say that we're going to get 425. but they're not -- they're not going to give us any more information and they're going full speed ahead. they're that going to slow down. think about this, 129 people were murdered. murdered. my daughter has relatives there. her in-laws live there. they're worried about them. they were murdered. 300 people injured. we should slow down. >> governor, that's reasonable. it doesn't seem like that the

white house is being reasonable. 32 governors say just let's have a pause, and you can't get anyone. thanks so much, governor rick scott of florida. >> have a good day, brian. >> when we come back we go out to paris, geraldo rivera is on the ground reporting live. don't go away. on my long-term control medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed.

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good morning to you. today is wednesday, november 18th. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. overnight a gun battle in france rages for hours. when it was all over, two terrorists killed. [ gunshots ] and what we've learned about those terrorists is stunning. >> and the white house press secretary just joined us on "fox & friends." how did it go? >> i have to stop you there. josh, i will stop you there. the president of the united states's words matters -- >> -- have me on your show, elisabeth. >> i will focus on my president's words, josh. >> then give me an opportunity to answer the question. >> we will have the entire

exchange strai and a number of new reports just out, terrorists on the no-fly list allowed to buy guns. and they are in record numbers. all true. "fox & friends" starts right now. all right. let's get to the very latest. the woman who blew herself up during a police raid at 4:30 this morning in france may have been related to the paris massacre mastermind. the reason they acted at 4:30 this morning was because they believed the mastermind was in that apartment. >> that's right, steve. one of the other terrorists died in the raid, and seven suspects are under arrest. >> and we now know that seven-hour standoff may have come just in the nick of time. get this, officials believe another attack was likely in the works, and soon.

police were looking for the man believed to be behind friday's attack, abdelhamid abaaoud. he is still at large. the 27-year-old may or may not have been one of the people that have been arrested or killed. it is not likely we understand that he's killed. joining us, geraldo rivera who's been on the scene for the last few days, covering this entire story. what's over your shoulder? >> what's over my shoulder are police, very close to the scene of that dramatic predawn raid where seven terrorists, in an amazingly intense exchange of gunfire, were taken, they were arrested. the female among them blew herself up. another was killed in the firefight. so that's nine total. seven under arrest. two are dead. it's just beyond this mcdonald's sign, just 100 yards or so. this is where the wrath of france was -- came down like a hammer on the heads of the

people who perpetrated the massacre here on friday night. we're in saint-denis. this is the neighborhood, very close to that soccer stadium. the soccer stadium where three suicide bombers tried, but failed, to get inside, if they had gotten inside that soccer stadium, the casualty numbers would have been far higher. more french emergency personnel arriving right now. the forensic people are on the scene. they are pouring through the wreckage there. but just imagine how much worse this could have been. this suicide bombers like the female who blew herself up, 100 yards from where i'm standing right now, had managed to get inside that stadium where the president of france was. where tens of thousands of others, including my daughter were, just right close to this location here. you know, you can imagine how france is reacting right now to the news that nine of the perpetrators have been taken down, two dead, seven under

arrest. you mentioned, brian, abdelhamid abaaoud. we do not know if the mastermind was among those arrested or if he was the male who was killed in the exchange. i would not be surprised, though, if he died in action. but we are now so close, so close, you can imagine the relief in paris now. the relief in families like mine. but the grieving here, the awful grieving here, is palpable. france has been hit with the worst violence since world war ii. but now france has struck back here as they are striking back in syria with their aircraft. >> geraldo, for you, given the fact that the reason you're in france is because you went to collect your daughter simone who had been inside that soccer stadium, which is within walking distance of where you are right now. this isn't just a story. this is personal. and those creeps that were involved could have been in that apartment right across the street from you. >> oh, my gosh, it is, you know, to think of it in those terms,

steve, is almost too hard to bear. i have such anger in my heart at them. like so many others, my daughter is so rattled. i've been begging her to leave france. in some ways, though, i thought that paris may be the safest big city in europe right now with this tremendous police presence. but what happened here this morning is an indication that this story is alive, and well, that the conspiracy, the diabolical conspiracy to commit mass murder, to inflict a wound on a scar on the soul of the french nation here the perpetrators of that have been brought to justice. i tell you so there is relief in my heart. there is anger in my heart. and also, admiration for the french authorities. they tracked them down, not willy-nilly. this was not a random bust. they used eavesdropping, they used other surveillance measures. they used informants. finally they located the safe

house. they waited until the predawn hours when it was most, you know, likely to minimize any kind of collateral damage and they hit them and they hit them hard. you've heard the gunfire on that videotape. you heard the female exploding herself, rather than being taken captive. the only casualties, five french police were wounded in the raid. one, the only casualty on the good guy's side the police dog diesel, the dog that probably alerted the cops to the presence of explosives, i don't know if diesel was killed in the explosion -- >> diesel was, in fact, killed. >> two of the bad ones dead. >> to confirm, geraldo, diesel was killed in that explosion right there. and as you speak to the new normal of those in law enforcement, army personnel, and police there, 115,000 that have been mobilized in france right now, you're looking at many of them right there who are willing to go in and pursue this raid. we are waiting on the identity

of those that were killed there outside of the one woman who blew herself up there. this is geraldo, a situation where this would normally be a pedestrian area, people walking around. as you said, walking distance to the stadium where your daughter was. cell phone data, cell phones were found on the original attacker. that's what drew them to this apartment right here. and really they're saying averted a potential attack in the business quarter there. what do you know about that? >> this area, elisabeth, is kind of like the bronx of paris. it's four miles from the city center. many of the people here, and i don't mean in any way to be pejorative of the bronx, but many of the people here are transients, they are immigrants, some of them, many of them undocumented, nobody knows who really lives here. they come, they rent for cash for short term, they come, they go. this was the safe house the hijackers -- not the hijackers, the terrorists have a way of being able to inculcate

themselves with landlords and so forth >> right. >> so, in this neighborhood, in this transitory neighborhood the perfect place for a safe house for that raid on the stadium. but just ponder for a minute, as i have, not just as a reporter, but as a dad, they -- their intent was to get inside the stadium with those three suicide attackers. even though they did not have tickets. they planned it badly. it's now obvious that they knew they didn't have tickets to the soccer match, the france/germany soccer match that's going on that president hollande was attending. but what they intended to do it is suspected is mingle with the crowds, as you can imagine, the press of people going in to that soccer stadium to watch this exciting and long-anticipated match, to get amongst that crowd and then detonate themselves. instead they got there late, the crowd was already inside, the doors were closed, they were turned away from the -- by the security guards -- then detonated their vests right there.

killing -- they didn't -- >> so bring you to another soccer story. yesterday we know they had to not have a soccer game because they got some concrete evidence about a would-be terror attack. germany against the netherlands. but then now let's go over to turkey. you know that country well. you talk about a divided nation. i want you to hear, this is the moment of silence, greece and turkey before the game, for those who lost their lives in paris. let's listen. >> you know what they're saying. they're saying allah akbar. >> is that allah akbar. >> yeah. >> oh, my -- >> i -- if the united states of

america needed any more proof to now the nation of turkey and saudi arabia are playing both sides of this, you just heard it. these folks, these sunni muslim countries, many of the people in the -- in power in both of those countries, their loyalties are torn between their national governments, affiliated with the outside world, and the religious shadow government that exists inside. and the mosques and the radical mosques, and so forth. they are not our friends. france is our friend. russia is our friend. i think in some ways, in this fight against, you know, the sunni muslim extremists, isis and al qaeda and al nusra and so forth, we have to swallow our pride and say, yes, even iran and russia are our friends in the fight. >> russia is not our friend. >> you just heard what i believe is the most -- they may not be

friendly to us. but the enemy of my enemy is my friend in this fight, brian. i'm sorry but every russian bomb, every russian cruise missile, i applaud it as it goes in to raqqah, as it goes in to mos mosul. >> but we should be doing that. why give up the middle east to russia? >> -- that has to be destroyed. we don't have to give up anything. and i don't know why we want the middle east -- i tell you that much, brian. what we want is to stop a terror group now owns a country. they own territory. how is it, for example, that we have only now started bombing the oil trucks leaving syria and iraq? why is it that we didn't bomb those oil trucks that are funding isis for two years? i want the president to succeed. i want our nation -- but the fact that we're too cool for school and they're only now bombing them because trump says bomb the oil trucks, bomb the infrastructure? i don't get it. i don't get it. i know that area well and i don't get it. you could have punished these

people a lot more -- >> a year and a half ago. >> i fear this will take ground troops before it's all over. >> geraldo rivera has been joining us on the ground in saint-denis, where overnight there was a s.w.a.t. team of an elite french team that apparently killed a couple of terrorists, seven arrested. geraldo, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> anything happens just bust in. >> all right. >> meanwhile, it was about -- about 45 minutes ago we had josh earnest on with -- he's traveling with the president, of course, and he's over in the philippines, and elisabeth took him to task over some of the language that the president has used and so has our secretary of state. we're talking about john kerry. >> that's right. this is the exchange right here, over words. >> to call this just a setback seems awful. at least to the american people. >> well, elisabeth, what you need to ask the american people

to do is look at the transcript of the president's remarks where he described the situation as sickening, where he expressed his profound sorrow at what occurred. i would encourage you to take just as much time focusing on the president's actions as you do this words. >> josh, i will stop you there. the president of the united states' words matter. >> -- have me on your show -- >> i will focus on my president's words josh. >> then give me an opportunity to answer the question. >> i would love for you to answer it. >> by telling you that you should consider -- >> go ahead. >> elisabeth, if you want to have me on the show to talk about something serious about national security you can ask me a question and i will answer it. >> josh, we've played fair before. >> when the president -- >> i'm letting you know that our president's words matter not just to me. not just to the american people, but to those around the globe who are very concerned right now -- >> and of course, the words that you were talking about was when the president of the united states described what happened on friday the 13th in paris as a setback. a setback. where 129 people were murdered in cold blood, and 300 were also

injured. >> right. >> severely. >> compounded with the comments by john kerry as he tried to draw a line between a comparison and contrast to the "charlie hebdo" -- >> he said the "charlie hebdo" hits, they had some legitimacy but these latest attacks didn't. which is so ridiculous and over the top he should have had an immediate retraction and apology. instead you asked him, how he feels about that -- >> would you change the verbiage a bit? because not only are americans frustrated, people are frustrated seeing the president of the united states, the leader of the free world, undercut what's happening. if you're a family member, was killed one of those 129 and 300 -- 129 murdered brutally and the 300 plus injured critically, to call it a setback would seem -- >> insulting. >> -- insulting. cavalier. tone death. almost apathetic at this point. and i feel bad for josh earnest. i like josh. we've had a number of exchanges and conversations. i have a great amount of respect for what he does particularly

when it's to mop up the language that the president is using right now and john kerry when it comes to the horrific terror attacks. >> he's in a position where he has to defend something that's indefensible. in my opinion. >> it is 15 minutes after the top of the hour. kevin corke is traveling with the president who had some other strong comments connecting republicans to isis. he joins us live from manila. kevin? >> hey, guys. i have to admit that was a spirited exchange, and that's really the power, right, of strong arguments. you can agree or you can disagree, but there is no shortage of opinions on what's happening right now throughout the world, and in particular as it relates to the syrian refugee crisis. we've been talking a great deal about that on this trip, which is supposed to be about economics. but the facts are these, people really care about what will happen in the days, months, if not years ahead. now the president, as you saw yesterday, was very heated, well this morning he's been very relaxed. we had the family photo. we have pictures we can share with you. the president here for the asia pacific economic cooperation

summit. but yesterday he was really up in arms. he said gop lawmakers, some of them, are helping isis recruit because of some of the heated rhetoric over the syrian refugee crisis. in fact, in the last hour, as you just pointed out, josh earnest was on "fox & friends" and he said refugees to get here have to go through a rigorous 18 to 24-month process. and he said that should be enough. >> we're talking about widows and orphans, and united states, since our earliest years, has sought to welcome those kinds of individuals into our country, and give them the opportunity to start a new life. these are the victims of isil. >> okay, guys. let me give you just a couple of quick numbers. the administration still wants to admit some 10,000 syrian refugees. they like to point out turkey has taken 2 million. germany's taken 1 million. but 10,000 could be 9,999 too many, depending. i mean that's the real concern among a number of governors around the country. and they simply want to know,

how do you vet them? how do you get the ones here who will be safe, and not turn against this country, and that's a debate that will be ongoing. not just here in asia, but as we head back to the states, guys. >> kevin corke live in the philippines. we thank you very much. of course the reason that so many governors don't want the syrian refugees at this point is because isis has made it very clear they would like to sneak some of the bad guys in with the good people who actually need refuge and know, as well, that at least one of the bad guys, in the paris attack, had a fake syrian passport. and the reason they were able to do that is as isis rolls over these towns in syria, what they've done is they go in to the town center, the town hall, and they take all the papers that they make their passports with, and they take the blank passports, next thing you know, you've got some isis member with what looks like a real syrian passport that is a fake. >> and they might be living in a town near you soon. meanwhile let's talk about what the french have done along with what the russians have done

since they've been struck by isis. the russians got proof positive that a terror attack killed 224 of their citizens just coming home from vacation. so they immediately started rocking raqqah and french president hollande within hours of his attack in paris, he was bombing isis. 20 times the first night. and they have formed now an alliance, russia and france. russia formed an alliance with egypt. they're working to the. what's missing in that picture? >> president obama's going to wait till next week. he's going to host french president hollande right at the white house there. you know, the president hollande actually just spoke to the people there, with strong words, condemnation for young islamic radical murderers. he called them. he said he'd been thinking in his heart the children that have been traumatized by such events. when you look at how vladimir putin is handling this, he said to forgive the terrorists is up to god but to send them to him is up to me. and contrast that with president obama calling originally the paris attacks, quote, a setback

in the war on isis. >> keep in mind before russia has gotten involved in earnest, and so has france for the most part, the united states of america has run 95% of the sorties over that particular isis-held area. now, some other people are getting involved. good. >> on top of that, let's just think about this. we took the fight to isis a year and a half ago. we were going to destroy them. remember? we were not destroying them. >> manage. >> we've said that we've contained them. they are not contained. and to prove that it's not rhetoric or republicans have to be marginalized look at the fact that vladimir putin has 34 different isis sites yesterday. we started bombing the oil sites last week. and we have francois hollande who sits a rough estimate of 60 sites. we have the king of jordan called this world war iii, and a war against humanity. and our president is in the philippines. >> you know what, brian?

this is the classic case of leading from behind. and that is exactly what the united states is doing. >> you're being generous when you say leading from behind. >> well we are behind right now russia and france are leading the fight against isis. >> coming up as you just heard the white house press secretary doubling down that america is doing extensive background checks to vet the syrian refugees. >> so why are -- >> -- background interviews. biometric information is collected from them. >> so why are so many experts doubting that? former assistant director to the fbi jim kallstrom joins us live, next. marie callender starts her chicken pot pie with a crust made from scratch, and fills it with all white meat chicken and a rich, delicious gravy. because making the perfect dinner isn't easy as pie... but finding someone to enjoy it with, sure is. marie callender's. it's time to savor.

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i mean, it's nonsensical. there are no databases. there's no records to check in syria. >> what do you mean? >> you know, there's no -- you can't go back and look up stuff. birth certificates and all that stuff. you can buy phony i.d. anywhere in the world for 150 bucks.

there's no records to check in syria. >> why would the press secretary say this? >> you know, i get -- they're getting so far out on the facts. i mean, the other day the guy who was the assistant national security adviser, i forget his name, came out and said the same thing, basically that, you know, we can be assured that these people are checked out. and that's just absolutely not true. i mean, it's impossible to do. and you don't know what you don't know. and in this case, we don't know a lot. i mean, these people are not going to be on any kind of data bases. >> let me ask you this, we have 10,000 refugees that according to our president right now, though half of the governors across this nation are not accepting them, are set to come. what do we need to do here to make sure that -- that they don't have the awful heart that they are not terrorists coming in? i mean we're trying to be

humanitarian nation but at the same time we are at war. >> well if you believe what they're saying there's not much we can do. because they're so arrogant about it. you know they're not even telling the governors where these people are going to be located in their own states. or they're not telling them the background, you know, according to the governor of florida, who was interviewed earlier. they're not telling the states anything. basically, here they are. and i mean, the arrogance is just over the top. >> you know, military experts have told us that one thing working in our favor right now in the battle against isis is the ocean. that we have the atlantic between us right now, at least. if we do, indeed, bring these refugees here, and if any of them have malintent, we are in a different ball game. what do we need to do here to just ramp up security if, indeed -- this is happening -- >> it's not the refugees. we have a wide open border. we don't have a clue who comes and goes. we have sanctuary cities across the country, 300 something.

can you imagine that? sanctuary cities. from what? the laws of the united states, right? sanctuary cities against dealing with the federal law enforcement agencies. you know, we are not in a good position to deal with this thing. the fbi has -- director has said if 1,000 cases open today on isis sympathizers or isis people. >> here. >> that's a huge number. i mean believe me, i spent 29 years in the fbi, i know what it takes to deal with a few terrorists. >> so, bring us in to the fbi. what's going on right now? >> 24/7, people are working 12 on, 12 off, probably or 18 off, and a few hours off. they just can't deal with all this stuff. never mind the fact that it's every day things change because new people show up that we don't even know about. across the border. or they jump off some ships into port. you know, look at the airport security. look at the latest test by the

gao, out rageiously how they flunked this thing. when you look at the whole perimeter of the united states and the laws that we have that are not enforced, and the lackadaisical and the arrogant attitude about anybody that challenges anything they have to say, as if they're in a position to know that, i mean they have no background. >> what are the communication -- >> for someone who is a national security deputy, there's a fine degree. what does he know about the national security of the united states? >> let me ask you, is it more difficult based on the fact that isis and terrorists now have at least 50,000 social media accounts a quarter of them in use at any given time. some of the communications they're using, video games now learning that they send they create drafts and e-mails that are not sent. how is the fbi tracking and communicating -- >> on that point we need a change in the attorney general guidelines. you know, it's not that easy, people would say well why aren't they listening?

dealing with all those accounts, it's not that easy to get authority to do that. i mean, it's crazy the burdens. we need to get nsa back to work. looking at the mega data. you know, rand paul you're wrong. they're not listening to audio in the united states. the mega data is grcritical. 20 years ago one phone company was easy to do. now hundreds of ways to communicate, half of which are encrypted. without the cooperation of those companies like google and apple, you know, there's another big place that people can hide. >> jim, thank you for your time today. you're hearing from the former assistant director to the fbi jim kallstrom, thanks. disturbing. coming up, brand-new details just coming in on that terror raid in france overnight. and up next, bill hemmer has a first look at the seven terrorists under arrest at this hour. and, an unbelievable new report just out. terrorists on a no-fly list

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get back. >> this is -- >> we are back, with this fox news alert now. an incredible new video of the terror takedown in france. this exclusive footage from the daily mail allegedly shows police arresting two suspects found near an apartment north of paris. >> all right. two other terrorists were killed in the seven-hour police standoff. host of america's newsroom bill hemmer is live at the scene with the latest. he's been there all week accounting it all. next thing we're in the middle of the night, predawn raid. can you bring us through what took place the best we know it? >> certainly can.

good morning to all three of you. the night time is when the police do their work here in france and we saw this again last night. local times now, 4:30 a.m. the report suggests that french intelligence were tracking a woman believed possibly to be a relative or even a sister of the mastermind abdelhamid abaaoud, age 27. at the moment he is still unaccounted for. they tracked this woman to an apartment in a suburb of paris called saint-denis. which, brian, is one mile from where the suicide bombings took place last friday night at the stadium during that soccer game here in paris. over the next three hours, police arrested three people initially. they sent a police dog in about 90 minutes into the operation. that dog was killed. about 30 minutes after that, so two hours into the operation a woman with a suicide vest goes at police, she blows herself up. you had at least five officers injured. no fatalities but the woman is dead. and they believe that is the same woman they were tracking

related to master mind. after three hours of this operation, it's now 7:30 in the morning, another round of explosions, and then the operation is considered over. in total seven arrested, two dead, five officers wounded in that neighborhood. it's considered to be gentrified with a strong, immigrant population. and i must emphasize this, the geography of saint-denis is one mile from the soccer stadium. now you wonder whether the entire plot was born out of that apartment and that safe house in that neighborhood in northern paris, brian. >> they can get guns and ammunition. they can assemble an arsenal there. it's incredible. >> bill, regarding the woman who was wearing the suicide vest, and she blew herself up in the process killed one of the police dogs at the operation at 4:30 this morning paris time, you said she's aligned with the mastermind. and i know there are a couple of

reports, one is she could be related to him. one could be she's the wife. do we know if she was involved in the strike on that concert hall on friday night? because there were multiple reports of a woman with the kalashnikov was involved in shooting people. >> do not know. it's possible, steve. but i don't have an answer for you now. i can tell you this. for three days now the french have been moving very quickly. whether it's across this country or sending in to belgium to the north or even their attacks on isis targets in eastern syria. militarily this country was behind in this war. and they are catching up quickly. by the end of this weekend they should have the aircraft carrier the "charles de gaulle" in the eastern mediterranean which will bring their fighting force up to 36 fighter jets and that's 36 more than the french had in this operation a week ago. >> we'll see if they ever plan on putting any troops on the ground. that will be the key. what kind of alliance with russia. bill i know you got to be getting set to do your show.

update the entire network. but your show in 24 minutes. thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> you bet. we will see you then, guys. and a terrific lineup, too, governor christie, carly fiorina, mike mccaul, jeb bush, all the latest reaction on the refugee situation, and also what they're planning back at home to keep america safe. all that's coming up at the top of the hour. >> thank you so much, bill. >> think about governor chris christie. he said you can't be aleader by everybody. >> and mr. christie as well made it very clear new jersey would not take any syrian refugees. >> no. >> he might not have a choice, though. >> dial in mike baker former cia operative as we talk about what's going on. mike, there's a story on the cover of the new york daily news today as we think a little bit about the terrorists, in paris, and if there are bad guys here in this country, and the head line is, over 2,000 suspects on terror watch lists have legally bought firearms in the united

states. how is it possible you can be on a terror watch list and buy a gun? >> yeah, i know. probably a lot of people asking that question right now. part of it, the assistant deputy director for the bure yo, jim kallstrom that was just on with you he alluded to it in terms of talking about the data bases. data bases have been a problem for a long time. we know from a lot of complaints from the aclu and others that the terrorist watch list have, in their words, been overreaching. so you have a lot of people on the watch list that don't necessarily belong there. ted kennedy being one of the more famous examples of this. or as an example, if your roommate's uncle, cousin, is suspected of having terrorist ties you may end up there on the terrorist watch list. so part of it is just, information structure. part of it is also, if you think about it from an operational perspective, the way that it works is that someone goes in to buy a weapon, if they're doing it legally, the check is run on

them. if they are flagged as being on the watch list, then it's not as if the sales agent at the weapons shop walks up to them and says i'm sorry you're on the terror watch list so you can't have this weapon. instead what happens is they contact the authorities saying we have an individual that, you know, been flagged as being on a watch list. apparently your agency put him on there. that agency decides what to do. one of the things they may do is let it run. because what do you want to do? you want to gain operational information about what's happening. you have somebody who is a legitimate suspect who purchases a weapon yeah, maybe you want to run with it. >> 91% of the time they succeed in obtaining those guns according to this report. let's talk about success in communications with terrorists. you say they hide their plans by going dark. what does that mean? >> well, no surprise, the smarter that the enemy gets, in terms of understanding your methodology, the better they are

at hiding their communications. and this is a serious problem. and part of it is borne out from the snowden leaks over the past couple of years. and sort of the -- the beating of the drum to say we've got to worry about our privacy. we've got to stop the surveillance. we've got to end this now. you know what happens when that happens? it becomes more difficult to follow the terrorists. and what they're doing when they're going dark is they're using technology, they're finding ways to use encryption which is increasingly available to them. one of the things about the speed with which technology develops, it becomes cheaper and easier to acquire including things such as encryption. >> sure, but mike, i'm just hoping that the guys on our cyber and cyber terror unit are as quick as the terrorists. are we? >> well we have the best there is on our side. you know whether we're talking about the folks at the bureau, at the fbi, talking about nsa. but it is always, unfortunately,

a cat and mouse game. because the terrorists, some of them, i don't want to make them all sound like lex luther but some of them are very good of finding ways to do this and finding smarter and better ways to use the available technology. and sometimes it's the opposite. sometimes they just dumb it down. that also is a real problem. but i guess my point being is over the past few years, exactly, as we've become fatigued from the war on terror, and the pendulum has been swinging back towards civil liberties and privacy, the threats have been increasing. that's not a happy marriage. that's not a happy set of circumstances. >> all right. >> but the technology is getting so good, and the iphone makes it impossible with all of that encryption. mike baker thank you very getting up and joaning us on this wednesday morning. >> all right. coming up get ready for another september 11th. that warning from senator lindsey graham. he will join us live on this couch next.

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president obama says republicans are the best recruitment tool for isis. >> i cannot think of a more -- more potent recruitment tool for isis than some of the rhetoric that's been coming out of here during the course of this debate. when you start seeing individuals in positions of responsibility suggesting that christians are more worthy of protection than muslims are, in a war-torn land, that feeds the isil narrative. and it needs to stop. because the world is watching. >> here to respond is south carolina senator and presidential candidate lindsey graham. the president does not explain the context about how christians in syria are being systematically murdered.

>> well, let me tell you about our president. i think he personifies weakness and incompetency. two days ago he gave a speech that literally made me sick. he's a prideful man, he's a stubborn man, and he's an incompetent man. we're going to get attacked because he has taken a can of gasoline, along with john kerry, and thrown it on every fire in the mideast. >> he says republicans are. >> all i can tell you at what point in time you realize he doesn't know what he's doing? he's the guy that said isil was a jv team. he's the guy that withdrew all our troops in iraq against military advice. he's the man who drew a red line against assad and assad crossed it and assad is still standing. at what point in time do you realize he doesn't know what he's doing? >> senator he's also the guy who said this week, my strategy is working. i just need more time. >> all i can tell you is his strategy is not working. we're running out of time. we're going to get hit here. what you see in paris in coming to america. here's what i'm going to do in response to the threat to the homeland, after 9/11, we came together as the american family,

we passed an authorization to use military force to go after al qaeda, anywhere, any time, by any means. wait i will do after thanksgiving is introduce an authorization to use military force allowing this president and every future president the ability to go anywhere isil goes, use any means necessary -- >> what changes -- to do that? >> we'll be in a position of war. they have declared war on us. they have killed americans. they have attacked our allies. they're destabilizing the region. they're trying to attack our homeland. so rather than waiting until we're attacked i want congress to come together and give this president the authorization to use military force any time -- >> senator, the president doesn't want to go? >> that's up to him. all i can do is give the tools necessary. >> he doesn't want the tools. >> at the end of the day we can have a debate and he can veto it. for this president not to realize we're at a state of war with isil. the french president get it. all i'm asking is our president be as bold as the french

president. >> be as bold as putin. >> putin today he said is a constructive partner. putin is not a constructive partner. the president of the united states is disconnected from the threat, the strategy of failing. i have a road map that would lead to the destruction of isil. but an authorization to use military force is necessary for this country to defend herself against a growing threat, and every member of congress will have a chance to tell the world isil and their constituents how they feel about this threat. >> breaking news right now. breaking right now, police in turkey have just arrested eight people at the main airport whom they suspect could be isis. they were reportedly planning to make their way over to germany posing as refugees. sources say one of the suspects had a hand-drawn picture of a planned route from turkey to germany, via greece, serbia, and hungary. you say, senator, with this breaking news, what? >> i am saying we should have a time out on bringing enrefugees from the mideast into our

country until we have a vetting process we can -- that's more reliable. >> we heard josh earnest told us it's a robust vetting process. you've got to go over biometrics -- >> josh earnest is a voice for an administration that's completely incompetent. the bottom line is there's 20 other ways to hit us not just through infiltrating refugees. the key is to destroy isil. stopping refugees -- >> the president said he's been waiting for over a year for congress to authorize action against them. >> -- time to destroy isil. the region is ready to be lit. isil would destroy every arab capital if they could. unlike the taliban, and saddam, the arabs believe that isil is coming after them. so they're ready to be part of the force. >> how much harder would this be than the surge? >> huh? >> how much harder would it be than the surge to take out mosul, ramadi, fallujah? >> with a regional army, one, isil has no mechanized infantry. this is not the revolutionary guard. the region is ready to be led. you need about 100,000 troops, 90% come from the region.

why am i saying listen to what i'm saying. we've had large armies in the past, where the arabs help us in a small way. isil is a threat to every arab capital. they're a threat to turkey. so let them lead this war and let us supplement it. >> isil is a threat to the united states of america. >> totally. >> are they here? >> yes, they're here. and they're identifying what states they're in. what lindsey graham is trying to do is create a sense of urgency that doesn't exist to lead the president to a solution that will protect the homeland, to declare war against the most radical islamic group on the planet before we get hit. there's two ways to deal with isil. fight them in their backyard or our backyard. i choose their backyard. >> and you're going to be drawing up now and submitting your legislation -- >> to every member of congress. think about this. you're going to get to be part of history here. if you're not willing to declare war on isil you're making a mistake for the ages. >> thank you, senator. now this one of the most critical tools in preventing

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fox news alert as we've been reporting, french police killed two terrorists in a raid on an apartment at 4:30 this morning paris time. but before those terrorists were killed, they shot and killed a police dog. joining us right now is brian bailey, former supervisor and trainer with the navy's elite bomb disposal unit and k-9 trainer, as well. good morning to you. >> thank you. >> brian, does it surprise you to know that the elite s.w.a.t. team france put together to make the raid on this apartment in the northeast suburb of paris, does it surprise you that they had dogs like honda here with you? >> absolutely not. dogs are an incredible part of any sort of law enforcement capability, especially nowadays.

their inherent abilities to do more than what a human can do. >> tell us a little bit about in a predawn raid like this, what would the dog do? >> in a predawn raid like this they probably would be looking for exclusives, booby traps, undoubtedly the terrorists would have the entire apartment complex, entire area booby trapped. mines possibly or pipe bombs and these dogs would be sent in to alert the law enforcement agencies, or the tech team that these bombs are there. >> and how would they do it? >> they are trained to detect certain explosives, smokeless powder, black powder, rdx, composition 4, and when they detect it, they will sit. alled a passive alert and just sit. >> what is it about the dog that does scare terrorists? >> you know, they say this over the years, dogs have always frightened people. they've always been an inherent factor when it comes to people. >> it's one thing, a guy with a gun. >> absolutely. >> it's another thing if it's a

dog after it. >> it is. during my time as a police officer with a k-9 there was many times i lowered my weapon on a human to have them ignore me entirely as soon as my dog walked up next to me they said uncle, i give up. >> the name of the dog killed today was diesel. and there's one story out that he may have been killed when the suicide bomber, the woman, with the vest, detonated her vest. which to your point, he would have been following his job, right? he would have been doing what he's instructed. >> yes. you know, it's a sad part of it, but it's a natural part of it. and i guess the way we look at it probably better the dog was killed and not one of the officers. >> brian bailey author of the book "embracing the wild in your dog" and hando thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> we're going to step aside, moren from fln in two minutes... ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms.

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istanbul airport. it's believed that they were planning to go to germany from there. >> and for the longest time we thought republicans were the ones who wanted a pause on the refugees. senator schumer, democrat, wants that pause. let's see if we get it. >> a lot of people don't want them coming here. news continues now. bill: breaking news from paris. good morning. 9:00 back home. 3:00 in the afternoon here. an intense police raid with gunfire and explosions that lasted three hours in an intense scene just north of the city. [gunshots] bill: that siege ending with two suspects dead including a female suicide bomber. seven arrested. still an active scene here in paris. police thought they could be on the trail of the