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i'm harris faulkner. melissa francis. julie roginsky, and tucker carlson. and he's outnumbered. a lot to get to today. we have been covering the terror attacks and we'll get to it now. u.s. special operations forces stationed inside mali are helping secure the hotel. it's the radisson blu hotel. gunmen shouting allahu akbar, god is great, started taking hostages. francois hollande spoke of his nation's success fighting islamic extremists in that

country of mali. paul, you are on the scene able to confirm some things for us. reporter: i'm in johannesburg and i'm able to confirm we have conflicting reports, and we appear to be in a standoff. several agencies reporting the hostages have been freed. but that still has to be confirmed. but two sources say the gunmen are holed up on the 7th floor. about 18 to 27 bodies have been seen already, and six americans are confirmed to have been released. but the state department can't confirm if other americans were staying in the hotel and taken hostage. the u.s. military says all the special forces have been accounted for. an al qaeda faction has claimed

responsibility for the attack. this faction is not surprising news. there is strong islamic radical groups running around in mali. the french have been trying to combat those groups. these groups have been hitting back. this is so far this hotel attack is the biggest they have done. with an allegiance here to isis when it comes to that, and the isis is not definitely involved, but these groups have pledged allegiance to isis. harris: we'll check back as the news warrants. harris: i reached out to general jack keane a couple hours ago, and he said isis would never deny that because it only makes them look like they are everywhere. but as far as we have been able to figure out up until now,

there is no strong line between this al qaeda spinoff and isis but we shall see. but then when you talk about the number of dead, i gave out the confirmed number of 3, 18-27 bodies are what they are saying they witnesses. just a few minute ago i was watching evacuation footage on our satellite acquisitions from that part of the world. it looked like they were in the process of trying to secure that location. but this an ongoing fluid situation, really since last friday. there is clearly some communication going on and some credit taking if you will. >> there is coordination in that all of these attacks are aimed at the west. the country tend to be undertaken in one hotel. and in mali this is that hotel.

so this is an intentional attack against the west. and this is just one country away from nigeria, one of the post populace in africa and it's about half muslim. the country is about to split apart. it looks like this is about to become a regional conflict that will have reverberations in the west. this is a big deal. harris: i misspoke. i didn't understand why tisli was. these countries are on opinions and needles hoping this doesn't spread. andrea: speak of algeria, that's where a lot of the french nationals and their families have immigrated from it many a global issue. this morning in the "wall street journal" there is a report that

you don't have to be part of isis or wear the jersey to be interested in destroying the west. the goal is the same across the board. they want to destroy the west at all costs. at the same time you have hillary clinton saying this has nothing to do with muslims or islam. you have the president saying the islamic state is not islamic. and bernie and ders says it's too warm in africa and we should get them wind mills for climate change. there are not serious people in control and it highlights this attack how wrong the administration is getting it and the threat we face. harris: tucker mentioned the oil-rich nations and what's at stake here. it's how we fit into this entire

picture. melissa: it's an oil-rich area. but it really about tone from the top. it's about the tone the president is setting and that's weakness, and weakness is provocative. we are seeing that around the world. fit feels like thing are blowing up around you, they are. we could be responding more. maybe it's not boots on the ground. we are flying 18er to theys? we -- we are flying 18 sorties a day, it should be 100. harris: a lot of the buildings we are trying to hit now are empty because they are moving reportedly. we have 50-plus special operations units. weakness is provocative. what your thought on this.

julie: does it take boots on the ground? , 100 sorties is not going to solve the problem. you are going to fly sorties over egypt, lebanon, syria. this is a global fight. nobody has been able to answer for me. have an honest discussion with the american people about what you want to accomplish. what this would take is a generational war with hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground. i don't think anybody has the appetite for this or the political courage to launch world war ii. because these people keep

spreading. i don't think anybody is. andrea: a hunt for a key suspect in the terror attacks intensifying one week after isis members killed 130 people in a rampage across paris. authority are extending their search for salah abdeslam beyond france and belgium to the netherlands. we are learning the woman who blew herself up wednesday during a police raid was radicalized in france. the 26-year-old never traveled to syria or iraq but wanted to wage jihad for years. f.b.i. director james comey insists there are no credible threats against the u.s. at this time. but the french believed the same thing before friday's attack. tucker, i saw you reporting this morning on fox and friend, we had -- "fox and friends."

we had intel from the same group. >> they had a finger on this woman who blew herself up. she was under surveillance and her phone was tapped because she believed she was dealing drugs. what they didn't know the threat she posed was of a different sort. what is fascinating to me is she is wholly french. it's our children and grand children sho who should give us pause. she was on facebook and sometime within a month she went to zero to jihad. she became a radical enough person that she killed herself. what does that tell you? that tells you something ominous about the power of this ideology to change people instantly. harris: it tells you how well they are able to stay hidden in society. >> taking selfies in bathtubs.

harris: they said she was drinking. but the reports of the hostile conversation she had with forces when they showed up at that building looking for her quote-unquote boyfriend. she was ready to die and pushed the button apparently. people saw her, didn't suspect a thing. they are looking at her for drug crimes. then she flips the switch. andrea: this isn't just a war we are fighting overseas. this is something that's already here. f.b.i. director james comey said they may be among us now. we saw that in dallas with the cartoon drawing competition. people can be radicalized by islam. the fight has changed. how do we fight it if they are already here? julie: it makes you feel like

you can't fight them. i heard martha maccallum say stop walking around buried in your cell phones. it's frightening. we'll talk later in the show about teachers trying to teach kid about what propaganda looks like by having them drew isis posters. it's something you have to start talking to your kid about because it is here. andrea: there is a lot of concern among the american people about the refugee crisis. france, we both lived there. it's not the parents of these french, it's their kids that can become radicalized. julie: the french have done a terrible job with the muslim communities. if you wear a head scarve you can't go to a public school. they segregate the young women

into religious schools or home schooling. horrible job. >> i just have to disagree with that strongly. by segregating people with head scarves they are saying we want to bring into our secular society and the people wearing head scarves are saying no. julie: wrong. we can wear a head scarf here. >> scandinavia is just as unsuccessful in integrating their muslim communities. julie: these kid are able to go to public schools and express their faith. they are not allowed to do that in france. andrea: i think it's a huge mistake to blame the french when we have clearly a religion that has been radicalized. the house passing a bill on syrian refugees with president

obama threatening to veto it. is he misreading the mood of the public. hillary clinton taking a more hawkish position on isis. the fallout over her refusal to use the word "radical islam." with nutritious energy and strength. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. ensure. take life in.

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melissa: the house approving a bill that places tighter background checks on asylum seekers to make sure we are not letting in potential terrorists. the president still promising to veto the bill fit gets to his desk as we are learning about the danger of lax screening. the friend minister saying some of the terrorists including the ringleader posed as refugees to slip into europe unnoticed. it takes a year and a half to two years to screen elsewhere before they are allowed to come in askings are. it's not the same as it is in europe where they flood over the bored. >> europe is having terror

problems because of 50 years of its immigration policies. why is a peaceful country like sweden or france having to do with this problem? they have a monthsive population within their border that doesn't share their values and seeks to destroy them. if you are facing a burglary threat, do you lock your door, or do you drive to a bad neighborhood and start shooting people. i don't know why it's not obvious to people in america. >> governor dan malloy invited in this family indiana turned away. it was this family that they had been going for three years. they had been trying to immigrate to the u.s. instead dan malloy welcomes then into connecticut. >> i watched both of those then talking about it today.

one welcoming that family. pence saying it's not that we don't have -- he's speak for himself. it's not that there isn't love in their hearts. but there need to be a different litmus test keeping america safe. so now the discussion has to be since the pass average that bill. we hope our president will hear this like perhaps he was maybe rinsing on guantanamo bay. because that slowed down a little bit. can we slow this down enough to have a responsible conversation about what the tests should look like? ellis island, there was a test. a health test. there are some questions that she can ask without impinging on people's rights as you think they should have them. even though they are not in this country with any rights yet. melissa: does this mean it should be a case by case basis. catholic charities have looked at them.

this is one of those things where you will look at it and say these people have been through a lot. julie: mike pence who calls himself a good question tells people who have been through hell and have children that there is essentially no room in the inn. >> come on, that's appalling. julie: chris christie who calls himself a catholic said he will turn away toddler orphans. these people have absolutely no charity in their hearts. these people don't understand the case with indianapolis. mike pence knows full well those people have nothing to offer this country but good stuff. melissa: i hear what you are saying. andrea: the mellow drama pouring

out of the left. anybody against taking refugees are the same people who were silent when bashar al-assad was gassing them. now we hear stories about a government who can't get a website right. if this government could do things effectively maybe people would say okay. we have a problem with radicalized muslims. >> nobody is preventing people of faith from sending money from helping these people and many christians do. the purpose of the u.s. government is different it's not a charitable organization. it has one goal, to protect the safety and well favor possible pair it of its own people. we have more people unemployed this country than we have in my lifetime and i'm 46. we have many desperate people in

this the world, billions of them. but our government's obligation is to our own people. julie: do you want to stop all immigration? >> absolutely. 2015, you look into the faces of the tens of millions of unemployed and say i'm bringing more people. julie: during the great depression you are telling me ... >> to compare that and throw the herring of tell certain people no -- rolling require am not a herring. >> yes it is. ite now, what do you say to the people who are not being served by this economy and this country right now when you bring in workers to reef place them? melissa: the thing we could have done to them jews was to wipe out the nazis sooner.

julie: there are people who are literally dying. harris: we can't take them faster than 18-24 months anyway. >> there are billions of people suffering to death and caught in horrible civil wars. do they all have a right to move here? julie: somebody who was a political refugee yes. if you are here and you are dying to come here. >> i live in 2015. i'm asking you what is -- julie: there are always tough times. >> so we should send a billion people here? harris: if it takes 18-24 months on average to process these people, we can't save the ones who are dying. but we can approach what melissa is saying and take out the

nesting scorpions, our enemies where they are right now. i encourage you to listen to pence and some of the others. i feel like you may have put a few words in their mouths. melissa: hillary clinton talking tough on terrorism but staying mum on two critical words. why won't she say "radical islam" when discussing the terrorists.

andrea: hillary clinton answered to the president as secretary of state but she wants voters to know she is her own woman when fighting isis. she said this in a campaign speech yesterday. >> time is of the essence. isis is demonstrating new

ambitions, reach and capabilities. we have to break the groups mow men touch and then its back. our goal is not to deter or contain isis, but to defeat and destroy isis. andrea: just a day earlier she explained why she refuses to use the term radical islam. sang it all unite ever -- sake t alienates -- saying it alienates moderate muslims. >> it's a deeper inability or unwillingness to see what our adversaries are doing. and this argument that calling it radical islam will alienate moderate muslims around the world shows she didn't learn much while she was secretary of state. i think muslims understand what

this threat is and it's condescending and arrogant to say they don't get it. andrea: how much distance can she put between herself and president obama. she did support the arab spring. and the ousting of qaddafi in libya which gave isis the forum to grow. >> this is what people gloss over. she is not worried about all naight moderate muslims, she is worried about alienating muslim voters. when you get to the meaft it, we are going to fight isis but work against the other two forces fighting isis, russia and the assad regime. if our goal is to fight isis why don't we make common cause in this. there are a lot of republicans who take the same position. it doesn't make sense.

it's not very smart. andrea: take us into the find, julie, of the hawkish liberal which is a scary place as tucker outlined. the progressiv progressive hawkl who wants to put boots on the ground. julie: this is way would love from anybody including secretary clinton. i would love for somebody to explain to me as tucker just alluded to how we'll have a no-fly zone without startinged world war iii. and let us keep our ally assad which is what the russians will say. we are not willing to concede

al-assad should stay. nobody has the courage to look the american people in the eye. we have had common cause for 100 years with bad actors. our nato ally turkey isn't willing to do anything on isis. my turkish friend? it's time to stand up. melissa: we have to make common cause with somebody. andrea: the point is you have presidential candidates on the right and past administrations, and a current administration that doesn't believe that, that wants to out assad which would create a vacuum for isis. tucker carlson this morning put it to jeb bush. if you take out assad who will

fill the vacuum. he couldn't answer the question so i will. isis will fill the vacuum. melissa: you wonder if they really believe it. what hillary clinton in her debate she said the opposite thing. if you listen closely, she said it's not our job to be on the ground, we have to put that burden on others like assad. now she corrected her language. she says radical jihadists. that's like frozen ice. what other kind of jihad is there? let's not make up new terms. harris: the idea of sitting down with the russians, you know who is getting ready to do that is francois hollande of france. on the 24th he's going to come here and meet with our president and on thanksgiving day he's scheduled to sit down with putin in moscow. so at least somebody is willing to get it done in terms of what

that might look like. maybe it will be following them, i don't know. andrea: who is the enemy here? >> 25 years ago when saddam invaded kuwait we assembled a coalition to out of them. and included in that coalition was bashar al-assad's father. harris: two things hillary clinton said in her speech and i wonder if republicans would agree with this. she said president obama has not put enough elite commando inside syria. she says when it comes to the rules of engagement in syria and iraq she would like to see more flexibility. i think that's something republicans would agree with. andrea: we also partnered with stalin to defeat the nazis.

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melissa: a utah school districts apologizing after a first-year teacher gave an assignment to her class to create a propaganda poster. parent complained, some of them were concerned their kid could end up on terror watchlists for googling how to recruit for isis. >> my initial response was there is no way you are going to do

this assignment. they sat down with this particular teacher and that it has been taken care of. the assignments have already been turned in that they have have been shredded. andrea: harris, you are a parent. she wanted them to deconstruct the argument. harris: why didn't she do the googles and present it to children and do the teaching in the classroom. why did she make them do the work? they are not research analysts. some of the material they might come across is like what i came across. the evethe enshrinement of race. there is a lot that could come up that it would be mortified.

how much monitoring is going on and why couldn't she have don't research and presented it. melissa: maybe she is assuming parents are at home together homework with their kid. >> i love teachers and i'm married to a former teacher but i'm not sure i trust them enough to stray from the core curriculum. i want them to teach them now to read and do math, science, speak french. i want them to say away from international relations, religion, i can take my values and share them with my kids myself. i would rather they don't get into this. melissa: there is so much propaganda that goes on at school. >> there is. melissa: teaching them to question it. we'll hear a radio ad talking

about more affordable housing. my ki kids will be yes. i say wait a minute they are not talking about who is going to pay for it. julie: i'm not offended by this. i think it teaches critical analysis. go research and figure out. we learned about joseph global. these are -- what i feel like is this girl is probably on a terrorist watchlist now. but as a general matter i don't have a problem trying to understand how the enemy thick and you can figure out how to counter. andrea: i'm with julie on this. i look at age of these student. i think they are equipped to handle this.

if the parent don't think they are, they should be able to opt their children out of this class. but i do think there is something to be said to by this class. we are not hearing it in the media, we are not hearing it from the administration. i think this might be worthwhile. i defer to the moms on the couch. how do you talk to your kid about terrorism and what happened in paris. harris: i explained 9/11 to my 8-year-old and we have been note morial together. there were police departments and other authorities visiting the high schools this past year and talked about these things. but these are the acult doing the research and presenting it to the student. melissa: i did talk with my kid about what happened last friday. they would see things and be scared. the idea they are putting these

things in google and the parents are worried they will come up on a terrorist watchlist. in terms of what you would see in line. we put the safety controls on the computers. my kid will figure out how to disarm that by the end of this weekend. andrea: we all know women make less than men in many industries for together same job. one real estate mogul says women are partially to blame for lower salaries. sure, tv has evolved over the years.

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pushing for a raise. i agree with this wholeheartedly. melissa: i think it' amazing they won't name the price. anything you are going to buy, i always decide what is it worth to me and what am i willing to pay for it. you kind of made your decision before you start the negotiation. barbara corcoran, tough as nails. she is one deal maker. she knows what she is doing. but i also like the second layer this where she they were talking about if you don't hit my number, what do i need to do to make you think i'm worth that money? a lot of times the boss will tell you i'm never going to pay that and it's not in our budget or they will give you three things to work on. andrea: women want to be liked and don't want to be called the

"b" word. when i worked on capitol hill, i said i wanted a raise. my father said did you ask for it? he says what can they say in you are not going to die. harris: a closed mouth does not get fed. when you buy something, that's something than knowing the value for yourself. you have to do market research on what it is you do and what the going rate is for what you do. i say go 10% to 0% above that and negotiate from there. that's what agents do.e for mys. i don't have a problem asking for money, and i don't have a problem being told no. i like the idea of saying for a percentage of what they have here, how do i get to 100%.

andrea: i have a tough time with the word "no." >> i hate negotiating. i kind of take what they give me. in the office i supervise the women are way tougher negotiators. they come in with a specific number, this is what i would like. i think younger women are different than other women. i think they are more assertive than they used to be. andrea: young women are being coached. you are seeing the rise. julie: younger women are graduating college at at faster rate than men. i have no problem asking for a raise. give to it me or i'm out. that's how it works. andrea: one major airport designing a special terminal with no long lines and plenty of champagne.

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