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it was in belgium last night that 21 people were rounded up in terror raids. we understand four suspects have been arrested and charged with terror-related offenses in recent days. the belgian capitol is virtually locked down. we have a huge show for you tonight with the latest on this world-wide travel warning for americans and looking into how safe we are at home. the politics of the war on
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terrorism and presidential candidate ben carson is here, we have a report suggesting someone tampered with the intelligence on isis that is being given to president obama. the question is whether that was directed by obama and his staff. in moments we'll join by lieutenant general flint serving as director of defense intelligence or dia and a former islamic extremist who has a surprising take on the president's handling of isis. we begin with catherine herigde reporting from washington. >> reporter: thank you, megyn. fox news says it included two e-mails suggesting analysts should dial back on the intelligence reporting. an official said there was an
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attempt to destroy the communications. those familiar with the land grab say there were multiple reports warning about the rapid raise in iraq, north africa as well as egypt. the intelligence was stark and not enough to justify the president's jv comment. the official part of the discussions said the administration quote, kicking the can down the road, adding the president didn't want to hear it. a charge described as baseless today at the white house briefing. >> what the president has long said is that he has made quite clear to military leaders and intelligence officials he's looking for the best, most accurate of what's happening to address the situation on the
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ground. >> fox news confirming the chairman of the joint chiefs is requesting a new report on isis, which reflects the recent terrorist attacks and bombing of a russian jet last month. fox news is told he wants an unvarnished report and the request is not connected to the controversy over the intelligence. >> thank you. our next guest providing direct intelligence to president obama, he's aware of most everything the president received from 2011 to 2014 including the rise of isis and sat down to speak with terrorists and he's seen a lot of dead ones, too. retired lieutenant general michael flynn served as director of intelligence at united states central command which overseas the middle east. great to see you, general.
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thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> you were there and know what president obama saw every day. you tell us what was said about isis. >> so let me just start by saying intelligence doesn't start and stop at central command. there are 16 intelligence agencies. there are five large ones and two provide all-force asse assessments. and accuracy and warnings provided on the rise of radical islamists over the last few years have been very, very clear. so what the president has received from the national intelligence system is pretty good intelligence. i would say it's pretty accur e accurate. he's taking on this lousy policy. >> before we get to the policy, i want to stick to what they know. the white house is not refuting
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assertions is that president obama was surprised at the strength of isis. you're in a position to know. is that true? >> there was so much accurate reporting coming out of all parts of our intelligence system and into the white house. to say that i'm surprised at the rise of this threat is really -- it's a gross understatement as to what reality is. >> what about this manipulation, this reported manipulation of the data intel was being told we don't like it, fix it to compete more with the narrative coming out of the white house. not that iraqi forces abandoned, it's that they redeployed. >> this issue of not needing a narrative out of the white house, is don't talk about this as being a form of a
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radicalization of the islamic religion, which, in fact it is. it is a cancer inside of the islamic religion and the president has not wanted to say that. so if you continue to get this push back, which is what happens and what you're seeing from the great analysts which have been at this thing for a long, long time. >> jumping up and down trying to say pay attention. >> many have been deployed and think they that the focus of really this investigation, they'll find whatever they're going to find and issues but the focus of the investigation ought to start where intelligence starts and stops is at the white house. so if he's not getting the intelligence he needs, and knees not paying attention to what else is going on, something else is wrong here between him and the advisors. >> one person not
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underestimating this threat is you. in 2006, there you were. you stood over the body of one of the most notorious terrorists we've faced. >> when we killed zarkawe in 2006 we felt good about it but knew that the problem is not going to end with his death. we felt as good as we felt seeing the accomplishment of that mission, we knew that this thing was far from over. we have been following that ever since, and it has not gotten better. and it has in fact doubled or in cases around the region, tripled in terms of the size and scope of the problem. so you can't -- nobody can figure out, no one, in particular the amount of intelligence to say we didn't know this is a problem.
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i mean, give me a break. >> good to see you. >> thank you. >> my next guest is a former islamic extremist whose actions landed him in egyptian prison for three years. he's since changed his ways and written a book. he's founding chairman of a globally active think tank focusing on immigration and extremism. thanks for joining us. so youring thoughts on president obama's strategy? >> i would endorse a lot of what we've heard. i don't think this current administration has this issue of islamic extremist from day one. from comparing them to the jv team to allowing the red line to be crossed in syria to today, just a day before the france attacks the president stated isis has been contained in iraq
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and syria. the policy has been on denial, and unfortunately, a lack of action and lack of strategy. i don't believe what we're facing, unlike what the pope mentioned, i don't think we're i think we're facing a global jihadist insurgency. how it differs from a traditional war is that they rely on a certain level of support within the communities they're seeking to recruit from. fighters have joined the worst terrorist group we've ever known in modern times from europe. that is 6,000 that doesn't appear in a vacuum. those 6,000 weren't radicalized overnight. i'd go so far to say isis plucked the low hanging fruit. >> but those in the administration have us believe it's just a small, you know,
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smattering of people, we're after them in syria, what say you? >> it's incorrect. those 6,000 joined isis in europe, isis plucked low hanging fruit. for decades in europe we have islamist groups busy radicalizing muslims in europe. i know i was one of those they radicalized. they've been preaching the idea of resurrecting a kalife so along come isis and declare they established this. people had been primed in anticipation for the person of this so called kalife. 33% have sympathy for the notion. so we're not looking at isis at the main problem. it's a default term the state department used to say... >> radical islam. >> the president says, and his supporter hillary clinton say we
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don't say islamic -- >> the danger if we don't name this faith islamic extremism, exactly what the state department is hoping to avoid will come about. if we don't name something, a majority of the people that don't understand the conversations will assume the problem is with the religion of islam. it's only by naming it we're able to isolate it and say the problem isn't islam, it's islamist extremism. this idea it's got nothing to do with islam is preposterus. the truth is that it's not something to do with islam. that something is the fact that it's being politicized and has been for decades within our community. it's time we isolated and all of
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us together, it's our responsibility to challenge this ideology and undermining it. >> we have a former islamic extremist making points and the former head of the defense intelligence agency is sitting next to me shaking his head in agreement. these two men are on the same page with respect to a lot of the points. >> a violent agreement. >> unbelievable, unbelieve point on which to end, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> so what happens if it turns out someone did cook the books on the islamic state intelligence reports? detailing how it could be explosive. and on top of a travel warning we're getting detailed on stepped up security. trace ghallager has that and the security challenge here at home for the fbi. and then, dr. ben carson taking heat for reportedly insisting he, too, saw american muslims celebrating after the tragedy on
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september 11th, joining donald trump in a very controversial claim. but now, he's suggesting that is not how he feels at all and you'll get the story from him when he joins us in just a moment. >> dr. carson, was there cheering on september 11th? did you hear about that? or see that? >> yes. and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar?
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breaking tonight with just days to go before the start of the holiday travel season, the state department issues a worldwide travel alert, due to a higher threat level around the globe. while it does not apply specifically to the united states, it does cover one of the busiest travel weeks of the year here, at a time when millions of american also gather in big crowds for holiday events and the start to the christmas shopping season. we'll be joined by the former assistant director for the fbi. but first trace gallagher has this report. >> reporter: the state department warping that isis and boko haram is planning attacks in multiple regions. while the warning focuses on the holiday season, this alert doesn't expire until february 24th of next year. so it's not as if the worry is over come january 2nd.
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the state department points out that sporting events, theaters and aviation services have been targeted and says, quoting here, be aware of immediate surroundings and avoid large crowds or crowded places. even though the state department warnings say they're worldwide, they do not cover the united states, because here at home we're getting very different advice from homeland security secretary jeh johnson. listen. >> we encourage americans, as the holiday season approaches, to continue to travel, to associate, to go to public events, to go to public places. >> reporter: so being in crowds is only recommended inside the united states. and to prep for the upcoming holiday events like the thanksgiving day parade and new year's eve, hundreds of new york city first responders simulated a subway terror attack, including an attacker wearing a suicide vest. the three-hour active shooter drill was deemed a success, even though more than a dozen
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simulated attackers were mortally wounded. nypd and homeland security say more practice runs are now being scheduled. megyn? >> interesting point you raise there at the end. here with more, a former fbi assistant director who oversaw all matters relating to counterterrorism and security for the state of new york and was pointman in new york when it came to dealing with the white house office of homeland security. james, great to see you. >> hi, megyn. >> does this stuff work? really, is there anything we can do to actually prevent an attack like we saw in paris short of good intelligence? >> let me say first, i think your two previous guests i agree with totally also. general flynn is a real patriot. but yes, it's a huge task. it's based on state, local, federal working together. it's a bad time to have demoralized police departments. they're the first line of
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defense. nypd does a great job, but looking for those types of things, i'm sure all the roll calls when the cops go out, they'll emphasize look for the unusual, look for something that doesn't belong. after months and years of looking at these neighborhoods that they patrol, you know, things stand out to them. are they bunking out in some state forest somewhere enroute to new york or whatever? so don't think the benign is necessarily the benign. >> it's a marriairacle when youk about the fact even this week we have 3 million people coming to new york for the thanksgiving parade. you have a million people coming to times square on new year's eve, not to mention those who just come in for the holiday season. it's amazing that nothing has happened at these events in the past, you know, 15 years. >> well, the terrorist traffic force has done a huge job.
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but they can only keep these fingers in the dam so long, megyn. think about it, that's why we've been complaining, i've been complaining for years now, for a decade, that we've got to close the border. these sanctuary cities have to go. we need the cooperation of the muslim community. the first line of defense really, i've said the state and local police, but it's really the citizens that live in these communities. when the day comes that the muslim community is turning in those to get radicalized, and they have to know when they get radicalized. look at the captain of the boston police force. they have to call up the terrorist task force and say his son was being radicalized and take a look at him. people know when their sons are being radicalized. there has to be more cooperation coming out of that community. the aviation situation is tough. there' thing at the
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airports that i don't want to go into, because i don't want to disclose the vulnerabilities, but there are many. as we talked before on other nights, the fbi is just so terribly undermanned and underwomaned that it's going to be really huge. they're going to be working 18-hour shifts and that won't be enough either. >> and i know you have questions about comey's claims last week. i don't think they let me speak for all women, but you can say undermanned. it's all inclusive. >> i know, but i must say the fbi has some great women working in the fbi. >> amen. >> i was proud to be the leader of some of them. >> i got it. james, great to see you as always. >> okay, megyn. you have a good thanksgiving. >> you too. we're also investigating new controversy tonight on the campaign trail as dr. ben carson gets hit for remarks he made
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about american muslims allegedly celebrating 9/11 on the day of the attacks. he'll join us next. and breaking news overseas where a city of over a million people on lockdown, under threat of imminent paris-style attack. we'll go live to that scene right after this break. >> translator: you're fearing a similar attack to that which took place in paris, involving several individuals who might launch an attack on several for great door buster deals at the bass pro shops black friday sale. like redhead men's 5-pocket jeans for under ten bucks. and, get this masterbuilt 40 inch stainless steel smoker for under $200. doors open at 5am
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we have breaking news tonight on the terror threat overseas with a city more than a million people on lockdown. the french say a key terrorist in the paris attacks helped plot the carnage from belgium. now they're worried he's on the loose there and planning to strike again. benjamin hall reports tonight from brussels. >> reporter: a very confusing day here today in brussels. we had been optimistic that the attack had been thwarted, but it seems as if it's ongoing and getting worse. in rome, 2,000 security personnel have hit the votes and in the uk, 10,000 will be there as a rapid response force. that as america issues a warning
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to citizens worldwide. yesterday, these raids involved multiple locations around the city, aimed at eliminating the threat. but then this afternoon the prime minister announcing that of the 21 people arrested, only one had been charged. so the threat here continues and attacks remain imminent. 22 raids were carried out through the night as soldiers shut off votes, in particular the muslim district of molenbeek as authorities sought to prevent another paris-style attack. so today the country remains at high alert and will do so for some days ahead, with shops, schools, underground rail all closed as troops hit the street, afraid of another isis cell waiting to attack. now questions being raised whether mistakes were made and concerns ignored. today also on the german-belgium
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border, authorities don't know where salah abdeslam is or where the next threat is coming from. the ease of movement around the europe is also raising questions about security and many people are concerned how easy it is for these attackers to move arounded a will, hiding among refugees. but here in brussels, they say the authorities respect talking to them and they're worried that the attack is imminent. megyn? >> benjamin, thank you. the issue of terror and radical islam also leading to new controversy on the campaign trail when ben carson appeared to agree with one of donald trump's controversial comments, that crowds of american muslims in new jersey celebrated, as they watched the terror attacks across the river on september 11, 2001. watch. >> dr. carson, were american muslims in new jersey cheering on 9/11 when the towers fell,
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did you hear that? >> yes. >> can you expand on that? >> there are going to be people that respond inappropriately to virtually everything. i was think that was an inappropriate response. >> did you see that happening on 9/11? >> i saw the film of it, yes. >> in new jersey? >> yes. >> joining me right now is dr. ben carson. do you want to walk that back then publicly? >> well, what we were talking about is the reaction of muslims after the 9/11 attack. and if they were in a celebratory mood. you know, i was really focusing on that it was an inappropriate thing to do, no matter where they were. they asked me did i see a film? i did see the film. i don't know where they were, but i did see a film of muslims celebrating and i was making a
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point -- >> but it was important whether these were american muslims in new jersey versus folks in the middle east. so you admit to a lack of caution in answering that question? >> yeah, yeah, i mean, i thought we were just talking about the fact that muslims were inappropriately celebrating. i didn't know that they had an agenda behind the question. >> they were trying to see whether you agree with something donald trump has said publicly, and he's been -- >> which i had not heard. >> so do you -- >> i had not heard about his comments. >> do you believe his claim or do you mean to provide him with backup on his claim that he thousand thousands of americans in new jersey celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 9/11 is >> it had nothing to do with him or his claim. it was more of an misunderstanding of what we were talking about and me making the point that celebrating that is
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totally inappropriate no matter where you are. >> the presidential contest has gotten less tight over the last week or so, with donald trump opening up a double digit lead over you in the latest polls. to what do you ascribe that? many believe it's the paris attacks and many people thinking you don't have what it takes to be commander in chief. >> well, i think as time goes on, if people really begin to listen to what i say, not the volume at which i say it, i think they will recognize it is exactly the right formula. what we have to be thinking about is how do we stop this from occurring in this nation? i've said for many months, we have to take the fight to them over there. and in order to do that, we have to cut off their money supplies, don't allow them to transfer money through the system. cut off their oil, take their revenue source. we have to utilize our special-ops people, along with the kurds, and we really need to
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start working with the iraqi forces, which we've kind of given up on because they ran away. but they ran away when isis attacked them because we didn't have the right kind of support for them. if we would provide the right support for them, i think they will be a formidable fighting force. those are the things that we do over there, but over here, we also must strengthen the tsa. you saw how many things got through there the other week. and the fbi, we've got to give them much greater capacity to follow people 24-7. i think also we're very compassionate people. some people think to be compassionate, you must take all syrians in. we've spent more money on the syrian refugees than any other country, and we shouldn't fall for the false narrative that there's only two options, that we take them over here or forget about them. we can provide safe zones for
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them over there, humanitarian services like we always do. >> got to ask you to clarify one other thing, because you got hit for an interview where you said thomas jefferson helped craft the constitution, which i know you know he did not, because your book says it correctly, which is he crafted the declaration of independence and not the constitution. to those who would say how could you make such an el mental mistake, what say you? >> thomas jefferson, even though he was an ambassador during the constitutional convention, was in communication. he has a ton of letters, he has a ton to say about it. >> but you know he did not craft the constitution. >> no, he didn't craft it. but he was certainly in communication with the people and had a lot of input and a lot of say about it. so no, he didn't craft it, of course not. people spend too much time, you know, looking at little words and phrases without looking at
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the implications or the big picture. that's part of the problem we've gotten into the minutia without looking at the big picture. many of your colleagues, not you, in the media, spend all of that you are time combing through something and say ah, gotcha. rather than thinking about how do we correct the big problems that we're having in this nation today? >> understood. i wanted to give you the chance to respond, because you know how it is. you get hit a lot. and that's what we're here for. >> every day. >> great to see you. >> thank you very much, megyn. >> if you're just joining us, one of the former top intel chiefs under president obama made some big news tonight. and chris stirewalt, steve hayes and peggy noonan are next on how the fallout from it could get big. plus, an incredible twist in the story of ahmed mohammed, the teenager who showed up to a
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that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? the focus of this investigation ought to start at the top, where intelligence starts and stops is the white house. the president sets the priorities and is the number one customer. if he's not paying attention to what else is going on, then something else is wrong here between him and the advisers that he has. >> big news there, from the top of the hour and lieutenant general michael flynn, former defense intelligence agency director under president obama weighs in on the president demanding an investigation into whether someone cooked the books on the islamic state intel being provided by the white house. there's an inspector general looking into claims of that effect by people who work for the government, for the intelligence agencies. joining me now, chris stirewalt,
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steve hayes, and peggy noonan. great to see you all. let me start with you, steve, that this investigation has to start at the top. >> it was very big news. you have, as you pointed out, the former head of the defense intelligence agency saying on the record he thinks the white house needs to be looked at in terms of manipulating intelligence. i thought he said something else was important. there's been a lot of focus about intelligence on isis in particular, and the potential manipulation of that. what flynn said this goes back further than that. this is not a three-week story or three months. this goes back years, and we need to be looking at that, as well. >> this is not somebody that can be easily dismissed. i don't know that people are going to pay attention, because they seem to write off a lot of what president obama's critics say when it comes to the middle
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east. >> now we find out -- i remember during the bush administration when dissent was the highest form of patriotism. that setting seems to have changed a little bit in the obama era. but look, as much as we have been talking about republican racism and migrants, et cetera, et cetera, what the general said will stick, because remember, we've had a substantial failure, not only as steve talks about over time with isis, and misapprehending what's going on, but what happened in paris. now we have in real time the revelation of a problem with the intelligence. this will linger and hurt. >> it is extraordinary to hear somebody in a position like that held by general flynn who has served this nation for his entire professional career go on the record with an accusation like that. >> yes, i did find it extraordinary and i wrote very quickly some notes. i thought, all right, there's an investigation, it has been launched. a lot of people are going to do a lot of talking. i think what we want to find out
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is this -- who would have done this, tampered with intelligence or cooked the books as they're saying? why would they have done it? to what end? and with what impact? it seems to me those are pretty big questions if this investigation does pan out, as something covering such a serious subject at such a serious time. >> you know, steve, the white house has denied it, president obama saying i tell my generals and everybody give me all the information. i want it clean. i want it real. yet what we're hearing from people like flynn is, our intel got killed when it didn't fit "the narrative" that the white house wanted. >> and general flynn told me just this last week, in the leadup to the 2012 presidential election is when the cooking of the books was really the worst, when he was reporting that al qaeda doubled in size and strength, and the white house was going out at campaign stops
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saying, al qaeda is on the run. al qaeda is decimated. i think if you go back and you look at president obama's public statements, it contradicts his claim that he just wants it as it is. because look at the way that he responded to the christmas day bomber, to the times square bomber, to the ft. hood attacks. the ft. hood attacks were labeled as workplace violence. they originally said these e-mails between hasan and al awlaki were define. we know that wasn't the case, and we now have this long history, seven years' worth, which the president has down played this threat, methodically, regularly. >> it's the same president, peggy, who came out and gave this off the cuff remark after the first american reporter had been beheaded and he was on martha's vineyard and then he went out and played golf and later admitted i may have gotten the tone wrong. as somebody who sets tone in presidential speeches, has
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president obama just gotten it wrong in response to these paris attacks? >> you know, on this issue, terrorist attacks/isis, i think he's been getting it wrong for a long time, really essentially from the beginning. maybe this investigation will tell us nor about why that is. but from famously referring to isis as the junior varsity team, straight through suggesting they had been contained, right before paris blew. his factual statements have been incorrect, as to tone, my goodness, you could hardly react to a thing, an incident like paris, with almost a worse tone for a leader than what the president displayed, defensiveness, a certain petulance that his strategy was being questioned. a shown anger or indignation towards his republican foes.
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but less in a way, less personal passion for isis itself. so this has been strange from the beginning. i think it's the only word i can use, factually and in terms of tone. >> before we go, chris, we've seen carson's numbers go down and terror go up to the number one issue. do you think that there's a correlation there? >> of course. i think ben carson's readiness for the oval office comes into question, but i think this -- what the heck is hillary rodham clinton going to do all about this when she has to run for president in the general election? she can paper it over with democrats and say i think the president's strategy is working, i would make it 30% more excellent. here's what the polls tell me. this is a garbage fire. voters are furious about feeling this, and it's thanksgiving dag gone weekend. >> and we're getting warnings
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from the state department. maybe her position will be, i will read the intelligence and tell them not to change it. great to see you all tonight. a big development in the story of the texas teenager who showed up to school with what looked like a bomb. remember? he said it was a clock he made. he was arrested as a result, and up next, big news on what his family is now demanding for their pain and suffering. moderate to severe crohn's disease is tough, but i've managed. except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems,
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a major development in the story of the texas teenager who showed up to school with -- he said it was a clock. it looked like a bomb. then he was arrested as a result. he claimed that it was a science project. and many called this a clear case of anti-muslim bias. trace gallagher has the latest on what the family now wants for their pain and suffering. trace? >> megyn, the family now wants $500 million in damages from the irving school district and $10 million from the irving police department. the family wants formal apologies for the police chief and mayor threatening a lawsuit if their demands are not met within 60 days. in a nine-page letter, the school claims that ahmed was illegally questioned without his parents present. that the principal threatened to
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expel him. the city and the school devised a plan to trash ahmed to the media. the school claims that he wasn't telling the truth and because of federal privacy laws the school was unable to tell its side of the story. remember, he built a clock, he says, but electronics experts say he simply took an old clock apart and put the guts inside a pencil case. some believe he left the wires exposed to make it look more threatening. but others say authorities overreacted because of ahmed's race and religion. the irving school district says it's reviewing the letter and will respond as appropriate. >> trace, thank you. joining me now to react, founder of the coalition. 15 million bucks for a dustup with local officials that ended up with the kid going to the white house. what do you think? >> well, megyn, unfair arrests do cause emotional distress. he can have a claim.
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i know it's exaggerated with the 15 million and that might dilute his thing. obviously what he went through was not acceptable. and i hope that he will -- i mean, he left a country, he got a scholarship. >> because a lot of people who don't have bias against muslims say, what about if you see something, say something. it does look like a bomb. so the teacher says, i think i better say something. >> right. but like once they saw it, they thought it was -- they didn't evacuate the school. they didn't do any of the bomb procedures. even if it was a threat, if it was serious, like you know, that's why our community was much more concerned about it because the way the school never responded with -- they only got that student punished. like it was not like a real threat because if it was -- >> they were wondering whether it was a hoax bomb. they never thought -- the charge was that he's trying to commit a hoax on people by trying to scare people. >> right, right. well, either way.
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obviously what he and his family went through. and they left the country. we lost an american family. >> he decided to move to qatar. let me ask you this before you go, last time you came on you had the hijab and the american flag. we saw it. you looked amazing. people picked up on there was some sort of issue between you and fox news. do you have some issue with fox news? >> no, i'm really excited to be here. being a republican, i think fox network has provided us with a platform. that was my patriotic self. it was not meant to be in any way, you know, reflecting badly on anyone. >> good. you had a good experience here. >> i had a great time. i'm so glad to see you. i'm seeing you weekly. i'm very happy to be here and i'm grateful to fox for giving me this opportunity. >> i'm glad to here it. i thought we had a great time. then people on the left said we didn't. didn't. you were not here. get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with
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tune in tomorrow. senator ted cruz is here. also former al qaeda member turned cia operative martin storm will be here. go to facebook.com/kelly file. thanks for watching. this is "the kelly file." tonight -- >> these are radical terrorists that want to kill us. >> senator marco rubio confronts radical islam in a brand-new ad. the 2016 gop presidential contender is here with more. >> we have a choice. either they win or we win. >> then hillary clinton attacks republicans over concerns that isis could infiltrate syrian refugees to act like we're going to shut our borders and pull up the gang plank. that weakens us and validates some of what these terrorists are saying. >> 2016 presidential candidate carly fiorina will respond to her. >> i think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they do to us. >> donald trump promises to get tough on terrorism.
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