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>> all they couldn't get mashed potatoes all over his face. >> he liked mashed potatoes. >> see you tomorrow on. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. harris: fox news alert. u.s. embassy in kabul, afghanistan, has a warning. received credible threats of imminent attack in kabul in 48 hours. our embassy is urging americans, quote to exercise extreme caution moving about the city of kabul, end quote. there are no further details we see about any targets the timing or exact method of the planned attack. this is heightened this threat. on top of the state department's already alerting americans that they should not travel to afghanistan. we're watching this very closely. breaking news on this when we get it. andrea: another fox news alert. the man accused of killing three
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people in shooting rampage at a planned parenthood clinic colorado set to appear before a judge this afternoon. robert dear is described making rambling remarks against hood happened, described as a loaner and with a grudge against president obama. we have a sand ha smith, harris faulkner and rachel come pose duffy and host of making money on fbn. charles payne is back. >> i appreciate it. good day to be here. unfortunately not great topics but all critical topics. andrea: let's get to the topicses. police in colorado springs not saying much what may have prompted dear to go on shooting rampage, killing three people and wounding nine others. among the dead identified police officer garrett swasey. an iraq war veteran, ke'arre
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stewardt who ran back into the building to warn others and jennifer markovsky, each leaving behind two children. will carr is in colorado with more. will? reporter: andrea, so far prosecutors have not announced the charges against robert lewis dear will be. they might want to charge him with capital murder and go for of the death penalty. we have live picture in front of the county jail where he is being held before his court appearance here. the big question, what was motivation for storming the planned parenthood clinic, friday, shooting nine others, killing three people. authorities searched his trailer 60 miles west looking for clues. neighbors say he is a loner, not overly passionate talking about religion or abortion, but there are reports out after the shooting he told investigators, no more baby parts in reference to the recent planned parenthood controversy on national level. while the investigation
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continues, learning more about three people shot and killed, two who were recognized for apparent heroic actions. officer garrett swasey is being described as family man. he was a copastor at his church. a man of god. he died while running towards shots being fired. there is ke'arre stewardt, an army veteran. he served in iraq. his brother said he was shot and killed while trying to save lives inside of planned parenthood. >> i am crushed. it was unreal. it is about, 400, half a million people here and it happened to be my brother out of all these people, random. reporter: there was jennifer markovsky. she was a stay-at-home mom, dedicated to her family according to those who loved her. three lives lost. now three families waiting for the suspect to make his first court appearance a little later here in colorado springs. andrea?
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andrea: thank you, will. amid the tragedy in colorado it did not take long for the fingerpointing to begin. even while the shootings were still going on. planned parenthood blaming the right and republicans for a quote, toxic environment. >> we've experienced so much hateful language, hateful speech, such a negative environment has been created around the work that planned parenthood does around the idea of safe and legal abortion, and we've seen that across the country from all sorts of speakers in the last few months, i can't believe this isn't contributing to some folks mentally unwell or not, thinking that it's okay to target planned parenthood or to target abortion providers. andrea: in the meantime hillary clinton and bernie sanders quick to show their solidarity with planned parenthood. the democratic candidates for
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president attacking republican opposition to the family planning organization. >> we should be supporting planned parenthood, not attacking it. [applause] in congress and on the campaign trail republicans who claim they just hate big government, are only too happy to have government step in when it comes to women's bodies and health. >> i am running for president because in these difficult times against vitriolic republican rhetoric, we must protect a woman's right to choose. [applause] and, we must defend planned parenthood. andrea: on republican side, heated reaction. mike huckabee and carly fiorina blasting what they see as a quick rush to judgment and a rush to cast blame on the pro-life movement. >> what he did is domestic terrorism and what he did is
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absolutely abominable especially to those of us in the pro-life movement because there is nothing about any of us that would condone or in any way look the other way at something like this. we're not going to have the kind of language that you heard from john kerry where he talked about legitimatizing or rationalizing terrorist actions. there is no legitimatizing. there is no rationalizing. it was mass murder. it was absolutely unfathomable. >> this is so typical of the left to immediately to begin demonizing a messenger because they don't agree with the message. what i would say to anyone who tries to link this terrible tragedy to anyone who opposes abortion or opposes the sale of body parts is this is typical left-wing tactics. andrea: so is it? i think this was pretty predictable, charles. you saw on twitter a lot of people rushing to judgment. same people who hesitate to use the phrase islamic terrorism were very quick to use the term christian.
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>> you're absolutely right. harris and i boeings, we covered this live on friday. you have to walk a very thin line, obviously. you knew planned parenthood was there. there were other businesses there. you kind of figured it was centered on this as soon as that is the case, people tweeting me definitions of terrorism, those kind of things. when i listen to what hillary said, from what i understand people have opposition, particularly politicians, republican politicians running for white house of idea of taxpayers funding planned parenthood and abortion. they're not saying hey, listen, courts have ruled. perhaps they will rule again in the future. they're not saying you don't have to like abortion but they're saying there is no way in the world taxpayer money should be used for that particularly they're talking about selling baby parts. neither one, bernie sanders or hillary, clips we saw are very disingenuous that stokes claims of hatred and anger. andrea: quite the leap as you point out talk about a shooting link that somehow women not
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being able to get abortions. harris you were on the story from the minute it broke in the fox news desk. you stayed with me. i know you stayed with charles filling in for greta van susteren. when you and i were doing the news they got the guy. at same time i'm waiting to go on air in paris, they were not releasing information, people had already jumped to conclusion and indicting entire religion, christian white, republican before we even got details. >> you know we had what i consider reflexive for democrats. they have shown they will talk about gun control almost immediately. so you had that as part of the conversation too. my job on the air to cover the news and a couple things were happening. we didn't know about the fatalities even though the public information officer, the people who were representing the police department in colorado springs were being directly asked about it. so there was that kind of delay of information. they are running an investigation. this is still an active, open, crime scene right now. they're doing their jobs. they haven't even charged this guy yet. we're waiting for him to make his first appearance in court.
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so, not only is it too quick to judge what the motives might have been but we actually have a situation in one of these horrible cases where this guy will go to court. that doesn't happen every time. so we potentially could get answers. why don't we wait for them? >> i was going to say the pro-life movement is non-violent movement. by he have definition it is about finding non-violent solutions -- >> it is about life. >> finding non-violent solutions to unplanned pregnancies. cynical to tie them to the movement. the officer who saved lives happened to be pro-life himself. this is upcoming hearings coming on investigation on planned parenthood. there is, they're deeply embarrassed about the videos. pulled the curtain what really happens in the back rooms much abortion clinics. this is what they want to muzzle us. andrea: sandra seems left is saying don't speak ill, not able to voice opinion on legal harvesting of baby parts on off
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chance some lunatic out there might hear that rhetoric and decide to go shoot up a clinic. to me such a bizarre and but predictable jump for them. sandra: while the shooting was still going on, you had "huffington post" blogger, blogged out this demanding that a self-righteous white christians please admit they havement of their own terrorists. a radio show host, while the shootings were still going on, while this is an open investigation and police are saying don't jump to conclusions, we don't know this man's ideology, we don't know if he has mental illness. planned parenthood not even reacting to this. radio show host tweeted out republicans have more blood on their hands. i to back to planned parenthood, we don't even speculate why this man targeted one of our clinics. amazing rhetoric coming out of the left immediately. really, really harsh. harris: that is really critical point. early on we heard from the president and ceo from the rocky mountain planned parenthood who actually said the very thing
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sandra just said, concern was for the people huddle didded inside of bathrooms, trying to stay away from a killer inside of that building. put all of that aside, we talked on the air live with witne who were huddled inside after nail salon 100 yards away, they thought it started as bank robbery. as you saw video, looked like they were going into chase. how could -- sandra: bloggers were already going. harris: how do you jump to conclusion at that point? andrea: now think jump to conclusion. it is political season. this checks three boxes for liberal instead of going after islamic terrorism. there is on going threat of christian terrorism. talk about gun control. they can talk about abortion, favorite issues. how can you conflate a murderous cult, islamic cult terrorizing the middle east and united states and any western country and some crazy man? >> terrorizing the world. you know, after the paris attack i was going to do economic evaluation of it all and i went
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and looked, almost every single day, not talking about a lone gunman, talking about to your point, islamic cult ideology based on hatred and destruction of those who are different from them. body count is significantly higher. the other side of this, guys, what about, harris, when they brought in military-style vehicles to get people to safety? they're talking about disarming our police. talking about demilitarizing our police. not right for them to have those kind of things. harris: he was shooting at police officers. >> also, what if more people had guns there, guys? what if more people could have defended themselves? andrea: may have been a different outcome. but they don't want to talk about that. donald trump drawing massive crowds as republican rivals ramp up attacks on him. will it do any good or only backfire? new concerns about syrian refugees. german officials are worried they are being recruited by extremists when they arrive in the country. catch more from the couch on the web.
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♪ sandra: republican presidential candidates are ramping up their attacks on frontrunner donald trump. listen to what some of they had to say about the billionaire businessman this weekend. >> i just think he is uninformed. he is, he knows what he is saying, he's smart. he is playing you guys like a fiddle, the press, by saying outrageous things. he is all over the map. misinformed at best and preying on people's fear at worse. >> i believe he is very divisive and i do not feel he will last. >> apparently donald trump feels big when he makes everyone else look small. but in the end he looks smallist of all. sandra: despite this, trump is drawing massive crowds reportedly 4,000 people filling an arena for one of his events. as thousands listened to his remarks on speakers outside of the arena.
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charles, what do you make of him? he continues to draw massive crowds, yet we hear from republican opponents he will not last. he is uninformed, says jeb bush? >> i think there are two things. there are core people have donald trump has struck a cord with. they will stick with him no matter what. no matter what sort of things happen, and what he says. if you do the math, that is 8 to 9% of the electorate right now. republicans half, 25, 50%, staying hardcore will stick with him. but there is something to the idea every week there is some sort of a weird controversy, whether the thing with the disabled reporter. i didn't like when he tweeted the thing about blacks killing 81% of whites were killed by blacks and retweeted it. the notion you never apologize, that it is weak or politically correct, sometimes apologizing in christian and sometimes it's right. you don't have to necessarily be as divisive as he has been of the.
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his core group love i am with that, but not sure how much farther he can move the needle with it. sandra: a lot of republican candidates are forced to answer the question, would you support him if he is nominee? jeb bush, says, yes he would. kasich, as we saw, he was pressed on this, on another channel and he was kind of put into a corner and he ultimately said no, not in his words. he actually said, it is not going to happen. basically said, i don't have to answer the question. andrea: he is refusing to answer the question. they're spending almost hundreds of millions, billion dollars the establishment to get trump out of the race but, sandra, they have been trying this for weeks and months, and it hasn't helped candidates. jeb who tried to attack donald, it actually hurt him and blew back in his face. jeb is busy attacking everyone. busy attacking rubio. busy attacking everyone. it is not helping them. you have to give voters a reason to pull the lever for you. >> that is the best point. cruz, rubio, carson -- andrea: they're giving trump
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more airtime and ammo. charles, you're absolutely right. people that love him love him, it will not hurt him. it is only hurting people lobbing the bombs. sandra: harris, seems there is a group of people out there they support donald trump, they like his ideas, like what he is putting forward but don't really think he will stick around. that he will not be the nominee. seems that notion is still widely out there. harris: a couple things. "real clear politics" average we sometimes will look at, now has him on average, nine to 10 points ahead of the pack. he is picking up steam. you talk about many soft issues that would have been like quicksand to others, yeah they have been a little sticky for donald trump. they're not stopping him. he is picking up steam, pulling away from the pack. the other thing that you would want to kind of notice in all of this, his ability to drive the drama. to keep people talking about him. sandra: stay in the conversation. harris: no matter what the conversation is. he just has to do that until feb 1st, then if potentially starts to win it is all wind behind him.
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the question will there be insurgency inside -- i say that, that is how politicians put it, a political insurgency inside of the establishment to keep him from getting the nomination? >> could be. charles brings up a great point. humility is important leadership trait to have and i think more he -- reaching a point where he starts to need to look presidential. these squabbles or inability to say i'm sorry or make a mistake might end up hurting him. he can only use -- sandra: only really gains momentum after the paris attacks. harris: that is in his wheelhouse, that is his sweet spot of conversation, immigration, foreign policy. sandra: two senior republican senators calling for tens of thousands of coalition troops to quickly destroy isis while hillary clinton calling out what she calls fear-mongerrers who say we're at war with radical islam. plus in the wake of the deadly terror attacks in paris, nsa sweeping authority to collect
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♪ developing today, a new push to bring more troops to the middle east. two senators are calling for massive effort to wipe out the islamic state savages soon and totally. john mccain and lindsey graham visiting baghdad laying out a plan of coalition force of tens of thousands. thousands of american troops who were deploy in iraq and syria to rout the growing terrorist group. watch. >> you have to first obviously take out isis but at the same time that you have to establish a no-fly zone to send a message to bashar assad, that he can stop barrel bombing and slaughtering innocent men, women and children and driving millions into ref guy status.
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>> i can not stress to you how urgent it is to destroy isil. every day that goes by they hold millions of people under their sway, is bad day for us because they will hit us at home. harris: there is more. hillary clinton pushing back on claims we're at war with radical islam speaking in a campaign event in new hampshire. here's that. >> we have to use every pillar of american power to get more allies and partners off the sidelines to go after isis in the air, on the ground, and in cyberspace but we can not give in to the fear-mongers who say we're at war with islam or we should put every muslim in america in a government database. harris: so, i'm confused by a couple of things, andrea. first of all, hillary clinton we have 65 nations in coalition. she never mentioned that i don't know if she is on the same playbook with president obama or trying to create her own. what do you think?
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andrea: i think hillary clinton shoulding owning libya because libya is her war. over the weekend yesterday, front page of "new york times," how there is a battle in libya brewing right now because isis is moving and infiltrating that country. we know they're already there. why are they there? because that war that hillary clinton started, has escalated after she pushed to get rid of qaddafi. she needs to own this. if republicans were smart rather than talk about server in the toilet and talk about hillary's war. she has to talk about the fact isis growing in libya is all her decision. remember she writes that in her book. as far as lindsey graham is concerned this is not making a lot of sense. graham and mccain are saying we have to remove assad and get arab sunni states to help us. sunni states will help us defeat sunni isis? i don't think so. if you want to go flatten them i
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think you could use, i don't know, 100,000 of troops. we need a difficult commander-in-chief who will not use half-measures in war and rules of engagement. these two never met a war they didn't like. until we have a plan how to replace assad i say no. harris: the plan to replace assad might look a lot like what happened with iraq. andrea: correct. harris: a lot to take. two things jump out, first of all, senator mccain sounds nd in the air. that sounds like a plan that would have been much had a year or so ago. doesn't sound it has freshness to pop the top of it. the other thing this hits me, how exactly do you convince russia to get out of the fight? >> at this point, i don't think you do. harris: they're leading right, last i read. >> hillary sound very much like president obama, speaking of leading, leading from behind. we want to get the coalition and get guam and tahiti to send some troops. this junk about 65 countries. name them. i don't know who the heck
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they're talking about. bottom line if we're the preeminent superpower in the world or we'll lead or do what we've done there, let it become a ugly quagmire with no answers except they are gaining strength and in libya. we don't want to be nation-building but can't go back to these times where problems run solvable. >> there are people on the ground, the kurds. >> i like the kurds. >> we ought to fund them and support them. >> i agree. are there enough more to win? >> once they get more wins they get more to join in. all the young syrians going to europe and want to come here, they should be fighting for their country. maybe they're not because they're afraid they're not going to win there is not enough support from the u.s. for people like the kurds, for the -- >> need more allies. sandra: fear-mongering that hillary clinton was referring to, i just don't understand because when you look at graham and mccain's ideas here, they're more in line with the american people than anything
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else that's out there right now. recent "fox news" polling shows a majority of american voters want to ramp up the evidents to fight a isis. they want to ramp up efforts and get more ground troops that is reversal from a year ago. harris: now is time to go deepwer the person that takes survey and ask them about the russia in the mix. andrea: yeah. harris: that will be difficult to enforce no-fly zone when their jets are in the air. we'll move on to this. did you hear about it? national security agency sweeping authority to snoop on us and collect phone record data expired this weekend, this past weekend, despite evidence that similar programs helped european officials track down suspects in the recent paris attacks. senate intelligence committee chairman richard burr said when investigators found a cell phone use it to track suspects and helped stop an additional attack in paris but judge andrew
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napolitano, one of our fox news contributors says the senator is mixing apples and oranges. >> talking about a cell phone one of these monsters left at the scene. that is hard-core evidence. it is very easy lawfully for a judge to say, okay, you have the cell phone. now go inside it. that is not what the nsa does. what the nsa does and what some have said it can no longer do which i will demonstrate to you is incorrect, is gather phone calls, transcripts of phone calls, transcripts of emails, in real-time. can it do so today? yes. harris: americans said they felt snooped upon but the big issue here at home, sandra, they had so much information, look at boston bombers -- >> we know this stopped some terrorist attacks. >> it worked or can work if the intelligence agencies know how to use it and share information. let's face it, if someone is calling new york to the grandma's house and let's say,
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tennessee, why do they need to be on that -- harris: that is a lot of information. >> focus on phone calls from detroit to syria. the person that leaves minneapolis, flies into syria, stays there for six months. focus on that person's phone calls. why do you need everybody's phone calls? that is where -- harris: a lot of information they have. >> why are they today as you're on the ipad and phone, getting big deals on cyber monday, they're also taking over a billion credit card information. it is big government overreach. why do they need all that information on us, on our financial things to track as you said, a guy calling syria from detroit? harris: this is one of these issues, we saw senator rand paul on the floor 10 1/2 hours filibustering, this is one of issues, andrea that cut across political lines. you saw senator ted cruz, senate democrats, that the snooping gave so much data you couldn't
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sniff through it to get data you needed. andrea: because as much as people want to be kept safe they don't want, one, the think the government is effective enough to us use the broad swath charles was talking about, massive collection of data effectively against the terrorists but not only that they can't protect our information. harris: that's right. andrea: they're incompetent. look i have no problem with you going after terrorists. just don't do it and jeopardize my personal data. harris: those breaches and those hacks people say they're worried about, sandra. it has been pretty bad. sandra: when you asked people in the face of everything they're seeing people's minds change and people are much more willing to give up certain things for national security. >> when i was in the military in the 1980s, i was told government had eight files on everyone before the internet blew up. harris: eight files? >> they have our information. i think it is dumb, sort of dumb to track these kind of innocuous phone calls to zero in on these
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people who have to be high targets, and listen, every time one of these things happens we find out one thing, we had them. one of these guys in paris was a bus driver. he felt he was suspect. he had to check in weekly and he didn't check in. he didn't check in! they knew it, he was suspected terrorist. he failed to check in two or three weeks straight. we had him in her grasp. we have 48 of them right now. what you want to bet we loose track of them? >> hope that doesn't happen. concern officials in one european nation regarding syrian refugees and how ex-freakists could recruit them once they get to europe. this as dr. ben carson is sharing what he learned meeting with refugees in jordan. a big trip for him. we're coming right back. woman: my mom and i have the same hands.
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once they arrive in europe. "the wall street journal" is reporting an increasing number of refugees are going to services at mosques that investigators believe attract extremists. germany is expected to take an up to 1.5 million refugees. in the meantime republican presidential candidate ben carson traveled to jordan on friday to meet with syrian refugees. listen to what he says he learned. >> we're hearing a lot, we're hearing they all want to come here to the united states and that's not what they want. they want to go back home but said the united states and other nations could be much more supportive of the herculean efforts manifested by the jordanians and taking in people at, a lot of to themselves. they can not continue that without help from the international community. andrea: where is that international community? rachel, you were just in amman, jordan as well, you were meeting with refugees.
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did you hear similar thing that ben carson did, they want to stay? >> i did. i heard exactly the same thing. i heard the most compassionate thing we can do is put our emphasis making it possible for them to return to their homeland as opposed to all of the emphasis right now which is on bringing them to america or to germany. it doesn't surprise me what "the wall street journal" reported because think about it. if you're in jordan, went from syria to jordan, not much of a culture shock. go from syria or iraq to germany or the united states, of course immigrants always want to feel like, when they first arrive in a country to be surrounded what they know. this is perfect situation for people who want to radicalize people, you know. they come in with a apparently the article says they're coming in with gifts. coming in with a compass, teaching them how to face mecca. they're doing this. this is not surprising. andrea: sandra the french
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president said that as well. these refugees need to be kept close to their country of origin which means the arab states need to step up. the united states has spent $4 billion sending money there to help them do that. you don't see the countries stepping up. saudi arabia isn't taking one. sandra: the argument hose receiving them are running out of room. they have to go somewhere else when you look locally. look at germany. tell me the other side of this. why is the notion that they want to come here? where was that built? where did that come from? andrea: in the mind of the progressive liberal, charles, thinks they know everything and can read minds of refugees. we had them on this couch. andrea, i know what refugees want, they want to come here. they don't. makes total sense, charles. they want to stay in their homeland. wouldn't it be better if united states worked to stop the war in syria somehow instead of meddling like we've been doing, making it worse? >> bottom line we have to win the war.
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we have to win the war against isis and do it brutally where it never comes out of ashes. having said that, if i have a choice as a syrian ref agree to go to a place where they can barely help me or those beautiful welfare benefits in germany, i will make the trek to germany. it is pretty simple. obviously they want to stay where they are. once they get to the western nations there is certain amount of resentment. there shouldn't be rye sentiment. but they carry the resentment. they're easy to radicalize. it will be a huge problem. a simulation -- assimilation i understand what you're saying people come from foreign countries to new countries they stay amongst themselves. there are many countries in europe where they never attempted to assimilate. they have satellite images they beam from -- >> one of the problems i discovered when i was there i heard no one talk about, while jordan permits them to come in to be in refugee cams by the need more funding they're not permitted to work.
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they are by law not permitted to work. so you have these engineers, these teachers, these professors that are just sitting there. so that's another issue that they wish that we would work with the government to find a way to allow them to work because until it settles in syria, what are they growing to do? andrea: if they don't want to come here and want to stay close and we demand to push them here, that chance for assimilation even goes down further. harris: i think it is a lot to assume someone who lives in a place so beautiful in pal maya in syria, wouldn't want to stay home and have a connection with their own history. these are beautiful people. whoever thought they would want to be in the position they're in. you look at some of the ideas out there, one of them that pops is a way to create demilitarize add zone, a safe zone, if you will for these syrian refugees, when things are worked out and which he go and bomb the mess out of the savages of isis and we can change the environment for them over there, help them change it, they have something
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to go back to and build and help them at that point. that is not nation-building. that is dream building. we don't have to overlay our values on them. andrea: exactly. christmas shopping season is in full swing. we all know a really nice sweater is a great go-to gift. maybe not this one. it is for real and for sale and a whole lot of people are fired up about it. we bring you the heat to the couch next on sweater gate. did you know that good nutrition
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harris: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. let's go first with jon scott what is coming up in the second hour of "happening now." hey, jon. >> hi, harris. in the next hour it is heating up on the campaign trail today. ted cruz holding an event saying he is holding off on attacks on donald trump because he doesn't think trump has a chance at the nomination. more on that as we get it. chris christie holding a business roundtable in portsmouth, new hampshire. he has been getting several big endorsements there. marco rubio about to host a town hall also in new hampshire. he is gaining ground in several recent polls. we'll keep an eye on all of it, have it for you ahead on "happening now." harris: we'll see you then. thank you. >> thank you. >> online retailer may be living up to its name. misguided is name of the
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company. it is coming under fire for selling a cropped sweater with the word slut displayed prominently on the front. it has been on the site since halloween and it is now on sale. reduced prices but some shoppers want nothing to do with it. one twitter user saying girls are fighting for sexual freedom and ending slut-shaming. slut should not be a fashion trend. another tweeting seriously misguided. this message young girls should be emblazoning on themselves? this other gem, the front row ho the t-shirt reads. one we can't show on tv. so, andrea, you say what? harris: can't even say the words. sandra: should spell it out. they put it out there for halloween. reduced prices. i assume there wasn't a lot of demand for this. this is simple economics, charles. if they have to lower the price. >> you know what what this this is interesting.
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my my son turned 19. i listened to music going to school with him, the level of vulgarity is on the pale. harris: really? >> this is popular music among all the teenagers, whether parents want to admit it or not. you may think your kids are not listening to some of this stuff. they go to school they are. when you're not looking they are. disintegration of our value system the point only thing hopeful it can't get much worse. it can't get much worse. that is the -- sandra: on the couch with seven children, is this anything, what would you do, not that your daughters would -- >> i would never allow someone to wear that in my houses. this is not cute. this is not ironic. this is not creative fashion. this is not good for our daughters. i think this is being promoted frankly by radical feminists tried to equate empowerment and promiscuity and being equal and as powerful as a man. i think it is really a terrible message.
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and i think it is sad these retailers bought into it. this whole idea of slut-shaming or whatever this is, you know, there is a good reason to be ashamed of being a slut. i really resent this idea -- >> that it is empowering. >> cruel or mean to, you know, anyway, you guys get it. sandra: harris, you have two young daughters. the company is describing the sweater to their target audience the perfect piece for any outfit with a fierce pink slogan. >> does it come in toddler sizes? my kids are prettying young. wearing 6ts. >> younger and younger. harris: it is suggestive nature of it. offensive nature of it. the market is taking care of it, if they have to keep marking down the shirt, people are not buying it. market will take care of it. >> couple years ago, urban outfitters was hot teen retailer, i started noticing stuff like this. what? completely offensive. it was 45-dollar stock a year ago. it is $22 stock now.
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i do believe society hits a brick wall. i hope i'm right on this where we start to reject this. andrea: if they want to make the t-shirts, let them make the t-shirts. we get into dangerous territory telling companies not to print certain things and make certain things. instead of worrying about a war on legible clothing i would be more worried if someone gifted you the sweater that is the real concern. >> parent stop buying stuff. >> i don't know if they will, i really don't. >> for $20.40 i can't imagine -- harris: that is a lot for a t-shirt. >> sweater. sandra: new evident under-- effort in the five against obesity as debate over soda and other sugary drinks should be taxed heads to the polls. is the government overreaching? we debate. ♪
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♪ >> well it was only a matter of time. now all the debate whether soda should be taxed because, well, it is high in sugar content. coming to a polling place near you. that's right, "politico" says soda tax legislation could be voted on as many as dozen u.s. cities next year. this is part of international strategy to reduce consumption
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of sodas, juices, and other suggest todayry drinks, fight against obesity. it is all about diabetes and diet-related illnesses and disease, guys. we saw something michael bloomberg try in new york city, rejected flatly. we do have obesity crisis in this country. the idea big government should come in to tell us suggest goor is fattening and mcdonald's is fatten is stupid to me and misses the point, sandra. sandra: no denying there is a lot of sugar in sodas, we know that. there is a lot of sugar in apple pie too. are they going to tax that? the question is where do they stop? that is the big concern about this kind of government overreach. >> this sort of paternalism if you will, from the left that bothers me so much with this. by the way, this would be an economic burden on the poorest people in this country more so than anything else. they will punish poor people because they want an occasional soda. andrea: the tax code was never designed to be punitive.
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>> tell that to bernie sanders. town town to influence behavior -- town -- they say they want to make everybody's life equally better. they make everybody's life equally miserable through this it will not work. and it does hurt poorest americans. they should say out of the way. this is not priority. because government taking more control over health care they can butt their nose in and -- >> soda sales are really down. >> that is the point. >> soda sales are down. the more people have education, frankly, mothers, the less juice, the less you're developing the taste buds for the sweetness in your own kids and grow up not wanting it. people can educate themselves this is matter of personal -- >> carbonated sales are in free fall in america. harris: that's true. you guys are ready for overtime? ready to get wit. we haven't had it since before the holiday. on line the webb show. "outnumbered,"
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foxnews.com/outnumbered, click on the overtime tab. we have a live chat. question of the day. get on, include you in the conversation. we're back here on tv tomorrow at noon eastern. right now, "happening now." >> the white house announces changes to the visa waiver program because of terrorist attack. >> they are checking for screening. and collect more pyoinformation from visa applicants. >> and we have to look at what the funding can do. that is the congress' fault. we have to authorize the programs and certain guard rails. >> who can forget the shrimp on a treadmill? new details on government waste. >> i

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