on twitter. a special sunday edition of "justice" tomorrow night right here at 9:00 eastern. the greg gutfeld show is next. see you tomorrow. i'm greg gutfeld. here's what's coming up. in the wake of the san bernardino attacks, is our attorney general more concerned with fighting islam a phobia, instead of fighting islamic terror? how many idiotic things did the media say following the murders? do you have an hour? rushing into the killers' apartment with cameras rolling. we'll talk to a guy who was there with a screwdriver that everyone thought was a popsicle. well, that was the week. let's get started, america. so, are i guess it's terror after all.

>> this is now a federal terrorism investigation led by the fbi. and the reason for that is, that the investigation so far has developed indications of radicalization by the killers, and of a potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations. >> this, after days of finger pointing and wondering, even one dolt blamed it on a christmas party. >> i think we'll get an indication of what the dispute was about. this was a holiday party. maybe it was called a christmas party. so many potential triggers here, it's really unclear. >> it really is a trigger. that sounds dumb, but he's right. christmas is a trigger, because our entire lives are a trigger to a death cult. others blamed workplace violence. by others, i mean dumb -- like the mouthpieces who blamed their acts on mean spirited jokes about the beard. >> there was information about his co-workers kind of made fun

of him, for example, and his beard. >> his job, he had to keep his facial hair trimmed up a little more, because of the type of job that he had. and the county. so that's why he told the family about this situation. and mind you, he was a pretty private person. so for him to share some information, you know, that's why the family had conveyed that to us, what actually happened at the workplace. >> these things happen in all sects of american culture, where someone is disgruntled or is made fun of or is uncomfortable or anti-social person and they lash out. >> so it's bullying. i'm thinking it's time for a terrorist aa, a place where people can go and admit free from threat that they know it's terror. even as our attorney general thinks islamaphobia is terror. >> when it edges towards violence, when we see the

potential for someone lifting that mantle of anti-muslim rhetoric, or as we saw after 9/11, violence directed at individuals who may not even be muslims, but may be perceived to be muslims. and they will suffer just as well, just as much. when we see that, we will take action. >> see? backlash always beats the blood bath. so the left reacts to evil the way a hydrant reacts to a dog. martin o'malley, who should be selling herb al viagra from the trunk, condemned guns, not hundreds. how do you condemn them they're dangerously wrong? a mass shooter is definitely bad. but self-limiting, people do die, but it ends. with a terrorist, however, goals aren't self-limiting. the aim is to kill the entire world. so take away the guns, they're still going to use box cutters on a jet, pressure cookers, car bombs, pipe bombs, sarin gas,

small explosives in underwear, biopoisons. suicide cults hate guns, too. for radical islam, the apocalypse is their happy ending, which is why the terror threat shuns guns hands down. blaming guns in a way is a retreat from the battle for human survival. the gun in the hand of a terrorist is bad, but so is a prius, a pipe bomb, a pound of pastra pastrami. a gun in your hand or mine, that's a plus. we need a revolution of the same where we as a nation fight this demon. this is a turning point for this country. different than 9/11, because back then we were unified. but if your own leaders see you or your rights as a problem, we're on our own. it's up to us to tear it to pieces.

let's welcome tonight's guests. i'm excited. first time jillian turner, former national security council in the bush and obama administrations, and fox news contributor. >> hooray. >> and of course, kennedy, host of kennedy, named after kennedy. week nights on the fox business network, if you don't have it, you know what to do. gavin mcginist, on anthony koomey.com. jo ann, sober this time, thank god. and katherine way over there in the corner from national review. jillian, we'll go to you first. we're now in a situation where we're saying, okay, gun ownership or terrorism. like one of them is the problem. why is that the problem? isn't that the problem, making it into two issues? >> they're both problems. and i think that, you know, normal people can have a discussion about this where it doesn't become this sort of polarizing, political issue. we've got in jillian turner's world, we've got terrorism. big picture, global issue, maybe

an existential issue, if you really want to say that. >> i agree. >> gun control is more of a tactical issue here in the united states. i think we can do a better job, certainly, of keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people, of wannabe potential terrorists. i think we can keep guns out of the hands of people who are, say, on the terror watch list. >> this guy wasn't on it, was he? >> no, but a lot of people are. they cannot board a flight on an american airline today. but they can stroll into a store, anywhere in this country, and purchase a firearm. >> the no-fly zone, you're not getting a gun. obama was wrong when he said that. >> no, he was not wrong. it's reality. >> no, it's not reality. it's really hard to get a gun. if you're in a no-fly -- i can't go into a store in the most gun-free zones -- sorry, the most gun-friendly zones in the country, i can't get a gun. i have to go through all kinds of crap because i have a green card. >> is this a problem, though,

kennedy, is that for some reason we're talking about guns. this is an act of terror. what the president has effectively done has shifted the debate about radical islam, because he doesn't want to talk about it. >> you can see the last straining with glee to pin this on a conservative nut bird targeting planned parenthood that was close by. it's incredibly insensitive. but the thing about gun ownership, for me, it's not necessarily ex oh extension or tactical, for me it's fi philosophic philosophical. whoever has the guns has the power. in the united states, when people are armed, when citizens are armed, they're the ones who have the power. and that's what separates us from other countries. and when good people have guns, and when we can defend ourselves, that is the most powerful force on the planet earth. and when the left disarms good

people, then terrorists are attracted like a magnet to a country that many on the left want to create an entire gun-free zone. >> joann, that's the point, really. they're looking for soft targets. if you're in a soft target, and by the way, the left makes fun of this, too, they want every place to have a gun. well, maybe that's where we are in this world. >> so since the '90s, gun ownership has risen. gun violence has actually gone down, except in areas where it's a gun-free zone. that's where you're seeing these mass shootings, in schools, places of work, churches, movie theaters. if you want to have the gun control debate, you need to consider all of these factors. especially california. being a state with some of the strictest gun control laws. if you want that to be the model for the rest of the country, terrorists, like these two, are still going to find a way to get their weapons. >> what about bombs? we're not even talking about that. because anything -- the guns were really just an element to

create the terror, which they don't have an incredibly high body count compared to paris, compared to 9/11, but it strikes fear into people and that's what makes it effective. and in that way, guns were really secondary in this story. >> i don't like that argument. >> i'm so sick of this el fast in the room. it's called muslims. it's call islam. it's called the koran. the koran clearly states, smite thee above their necks. they can say it was the food, his beard, a christmas thing. you talked about a prius in your opening monologue. they got in their car and filled it with explosives and drove it into the glasgow airport. i think america is so petrified of being racist, and then rightfully so, they don't want to go backwards, but they're so islamaphobicphobic, that they end up taking in a backwards

culture because they prefer it into going backwards. >> we just had gavin here basically say it's a muslim problem. i would say it's more of a radical islam issue. >> tomato, tomato. >> why are we so afraid to label it, that it's radical islam? >> well, all of our leaders are not taking that route. most of our -- obama said we're still searching for their full motives, or finding the full picture of why they did what they did. are you kidding me? it couldn't be more obvious. if you're still working, give me anybody with a brain and decency to be open and honest and it's this important. the signs are everywhere. if you do say that, people are going to say you're racist, you're part of the problem. people are afraid of being called that. i'm personally a little more afraid of getting blown up. >> i have a theory, and it's a disturbing historical one. if you look back -- this has happened before with communism. when communism became an issue in the united states, there was

a reaction in the media, among the left, to be anti-anti-communist. they didn't become anti-communist, they went to the other direction. we had that for four decades of anti-anti-communism. it seems to me that when you have radical islam, rather than being anti-radical islam, we have a president, we have a government, media and academic complex that is anti-anti-radical islam. does that make sense? >> it does. i think sometimes there's a little too much emphasis on preventing a backlash. when what we need to be focusing on are atrocities that are actually happening. we're in the aftermath of a horrible terror attack. the focus should not be from a national policy perspective on, you know, protecting muslims from a backlash. that's something to think about maybe next week. now is the time to focus on the victims and their families and shoring up our national defenses. so i agree with you on that point. but i do think to say, tomato, tomato, muslims, radical islam,

is not the way we want to go. you really want to keep a clear delineation between people who have been radicalized by a cult of crazy killer fanatics who have very tenuous ties to islam, and the muslim religion overall, and the 99.9% of muslims who live in peace around the world. >> try 60%. >> i do agree with jillian. i do think there's a radicalization process. i think it's very different in this country. i talked to experts about it. and they say that it's happening so swiftly in this country, so what i want to know is when will there be an admission this was an intelligence failure. and what is the government going to do in places like san bernardino make sure people feel better about where they live. >> she got in on -- she got in on a visa. the problem wasn't a gun. 12 pipe bombs. >> that's what's so infuriating about this. obama wants to bring in more refugees, and we see the kind of

carnage they wreak. and he goes, oh, who gives them guns? what are you doing giving them guns? i was like, what are you doing letting them in? >> he was born here. >> she was not a refugee. she came in on a very different kind of visa program. >> the sons of immigrants, the children of immigrants tend to be more radical than their parents. >> i'm a child of an immigrant. >> gavin's an imgrant. you make me sick. we've got to move on. so much more. a look at some 6 the dumbest things the media said this week about the sbrerpdan bernardino . i don't include myself. at last count, i lost count. stick around.

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believe in government? >> there are people who believe we need another revolution some day. >> they cannot accept the fact that 1,600 atf agents are going to come to their door and bring them obama care and take away their guns. >> i'm speculating like the rest of us here. >> wow. by the way, just like msnbc, bloomberg business also noted the shooting happened within two miles of a planned parenthood clinic. that's like saying the paris attack happened within a mile of a mime. accurate, but hardly a connection, you idiots. on saturday "the new york times" for the first time since 1920 put an editorial on the front page calling for gun control, as the victims of the terror attack have to be buried. it's like calling for water control in the middle of a brush fire. kennedy, a lot of this stuff is crazy. it was crazy. i didn't see that stuff until the first time. what was the worst example in your mind? >> the worst example was marcos

who said that, yo, gop, you know, it's hard to ridicule gun control when your peeps are going around killing people. guys, these weren't republicans. these weren't ted kaczynskis, these were terrorists. also, on the workplace dispute thing, i do think he had some sort of an issue that sent him off and went home and said, honey, that's it. like today is a day, do it now, get your tactical stuff on, we're jihading all over them. >> it was planned for another time, and that sped it up? >> obviously they had a much bigger event in mind. but you know what, screw that guy, he made fun of my beard again, let's rack up and go. >> i would think it might be climate change. >> look, here's the thing with this. this is something i want to get off my chest. >> yeah. >> it wasn't workplace violence. but that doesn't mean that this guy couldn't have been pushed, like you said, couldn't have been pushed over the edge in

that moment. it doesn't mean that the workplace violence -- it doesn't mean that that's true. and that that's the sum of the parts. it was a terrorist act. but i don't think that anyone people in their right minds would have had the amount of ammo, pipe bombs that they had stashed in their house to attack a holiday party of a hundred people. it doesn't make any rational sense. i think they had something bigger in mind. i think they had something else in the works. and he got set off. she got set off. they were like, let's go. we're just going to do it now. >> how does that explain, though, they did drop off their child? correct? >> oh, yeah. >> they had someone caring for their child. >> and rented the suv. >> but the reason it's different is because terrorists normally don't target people that they know. who knows, he could have killed -- or she could have killed or wounded people who had thrown them a baby shower. i do think that they had something in the works, something really big. they were laning something.

and this wasn't in. i have a friend in law enforcement who thinks that they were going to go back and blow the living crap out of all the first responders in a second event. knowing that tv cameras were there. >> there you go, that makes total sense. kat, i'm going to play you -- this is erin burnett. this is an interesting theory. do we have that? >> obviously her involvement is a game changer in how law enforcement will look at this. but i just have to ask you, could there be anything else that could have explained her involvement, like a postpartum psychosis? >> we're throwing everything out there. >> because nobody was postpartum psychosis has 12 pipe bombs in their apartment or house. because they were made fun of, mad at their co-workers, just had a baby, no. just one group of people builds pipe bombs and puts them in their house, and that's

terrorists. >> after the terrorists were killed, and everything was happening, we had a lot of people telling us not to jump to conclusions. however, before they were caught, before we knew what they were, everybody was jumping to conclusions. >> yeah. >> i find that strange. >> i find it really frustrating. first of all, you can't make jokes. because i sarcastically said because they're new parents and stressed out. the media took that joke and made it reality. so you can't even be sarcastic anymore. why are we em buing all this strategy and intelligence on savages? like discussing the bloods and crypts doing a drive-by, and they're saying, well, maybe they were trying to procure a territory, and it's very stressful down there. they're monsters! >> that's a good question. >> they're monsters with strategy. >> strategy is very simple, convert or die. >> strategy is evolving. so what intelligence and law enforcement have to figure out is how it's evolving. was this a black swan event? are there clusters of people

they knew, and how can you keep people safe? >> very important is the -- >> and close the borders. >> what if they're already here? >> then we have to surveil them and get them out. in india, when there's a suicide bomber, they punish the entire family. this family -- every family member involved has to leave now. >> what happened to the baby? >> yeah, where is the baby? >> he has to go, too, i'm afraid. >> president obama would say, you're scared of babies. you're scared of women and babies. >> i'm scared that the baby was exposed to some sort of toxic agents, as mom was either breast-feeding or making bombs right next door. >> if you look at everything they were blaming, it was all us. it's all -- every blame in the media was us. it wasn't them. >> the problem, too, for so long, we didn't know what was happening. for the first five hours, we had no leads on what these people looked like, where they were from, what the motive could have been. and that offers time for people to create their own narrative. then when facts come through that disprove your narrative,

you're just going to ignore them and go on with your own. >> no one calls you on it. look, they're really fast on the planned parenthood shooting. everybody was. when it turns out that guy was more like, who lived in the woods? >> ted kaczynski. >> i want to roll a tape. from a previous guest. miles mckinnest who had his own theories on how this happened. >> hey, everyone. we just found out about the shooters in san bernardino, and despite previous speculation by a lot of stupid idiots, it has come to light that the couple were both parents of a newborn. and i think what we all have to conclude from this, it's inevitable, is there is incredible stress when you have a newborn. >> he ripped me off. >> miles recorded that days ago. >> days ago. >> and other people actually validated it.

>> they said it was the food they were making fun of. the only thing that hasn't been brought into this is shoes. that is the only thing that hasn't been blamed. >> and shoes can be uncomfortable. they can lead to stress. >> it will come up. give it time. >> time to take a break. former cia director james woolsey joins us next. stick around. whether your car is a new car an old car a big car a small car a car that looks kind of plain a car that looks kind of like a plane

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hates edward snowden more than me. in other words, he's my hero. my next guest, i'm sorry, kennedy. joining us is former cia director and ambassador for negotiations on conventional armed forces in europe, and for the defense of democracy, wow, ambassador, james woolsey. that's a heck of a title. that might be the longest title i've ever heard. >> it is. >> let me ask you, what was your reaction when you found out that the fbi classified san bernardino as terrorism? were you shocked? >> no. i mean, it looked that way from the beginning. i think they were only several days in designating that. because the president has adopted such a weak-kneed characterization of everything that happens. never talking about jihadis, et cetera, that they were probably waiting to see if he would do something. i don't know.

but the director of the fbi is a very able and tough and independent man. and maybe he was just being a little bit careful. >> so these -- clearly these guys slipped through the cracks. this woman got a visa. what can we do to make our surveillance better? especially in a climate where so many people -- kennedy demonized terrorists here in the states. >> it is really tough. some of the things that we could have done in matching up various types of behavior, in figuring out what groups to pay attention to, were undercut by snowden. just to use one example. if you -- google keeps pretty good track of what you visit on the web. and amazon, of what you buy. and you put all those and you haven't looked into anybody's communications, but

you've narrowed down to maybe several hundred people instead of several million people, the folks that you may want to watch. because you know of these characteristics, and you know what they're doing on a, b, c, d, e, f and g, and you think there is a chance they may be doing something that all that points toward. that type of analysis, which we can sometimes use overseas, but snowden also damaged that, we have really gelded the world's most outstanding government intelligence technical institution, the national security agency, and we're trying to fight against isis having done that. and that's a terrible thing. >> the difference between now and, say, the cold war, where we were dealing with nations that understood mutually assured destruction, in the case of isis, and radical islam, mutually insured destruction is

exactly what they want. and that calls for a kind of a new way of thinking, or at least a new way of appreciating the tools that we need. >> exactly. bernard lewis said something very close to that once, in the destruction of the cold war was a deterrent. now for some of these groups, it's an inducement. and the shia groups that are radical and work under essentially for iran, some are like that. and that is really a terrible situation when you're trying to figure out how to deter something. it's awful. >> i have a theory that people become distdainful of the procedures or practices that end up being successful, they tend to fade into the background, whether it's the use of spies or the military, or even our oceans, which protect us from so much. that we've gotten so used to it, that we tend to dislike these things. >> exactly. >> explain.

>> well, churchill said of the americans always do the right thing, but unfortunately only after they've exhausted all other possibilities. we were three years late to world war i, and three and a half years late to world war ii. and it's -- we tend to, after something has gone well, after we've won a war, or after we figure out who did 9/11 and we got on top of it and so forth, we tend to relax. and we've done that going back to the early days of the republic. and we can't do that this time. the oceans have shrunk. people can come at us a lot more easily than they could before. we can't just sit here and pretend everything is rosy, because we've killed bin laden. or because of some other step. we've got to stay with it, and a lot more than we are now. >> last question, real quick. how does the cia recruit people these days?

are they getting the best? is there a volunteer program, where like a guy over 50 who already has a job could spy for free in his own free time? >> there are a huge number of applicants, people happily really want to come work for the agency. and they can be -- they're very selective. in terms of sort of people well through their careers doing something, occasionally it may be possible to do some individual task for the agency. i'll leave it up to the individual to have people talk to them, to see. >> well, thank you, ambassador. that was extremely informative. and hope to talk to you again. >> good to be with you. coming up, why did the terrorists' landlord open up their apartment on friday? and should the media have been so quick to rush inside? i'm going to ask the guy who led the way in, next. stick around. ♪

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welcome back, friends. so, on friday the fbi announced it was treating the san bernardino massacre as an act of terror. hours earlier, the media swarmed the apartment of the jihadi couple who committed the murders. taking photos, and video of the scene. msnbc showed personal photos and i.d. cards, and has since apologized. joining me now is one of the men who helped the landlord open the door to the apartment. bureau chief toby. this video we're showing, that's you in the striped shirt, leading the way. can i ask you, as this was going on, what the hell were you thinking? >> well, i wish i'd worn a better shirt. >> yes. >> but i happened to be here. it was a bit of a scrum around the door. and there was the landlord. and an 18-year-old guy with a

screwdriver, and a lot of very long screws going into this door. and he wanted to get into his house. clearly there was some interesting stuff in this house potentially. so i thought i'd help him. i asked him for a screwdriver, which happened to be orange. >> yes. >> and apparently some people thought it was a popsicle. >> that is true. that was the first -- i guess the first eyewitness report that there was a man with a popsicle. i want to let the viewers know that toby is -- he's no local crime blogger. he doesn't work for tmz. he's been in the middle east, baghdad, fallujah, jerusalem, belfast. toby was imprisoned for two weeks in zimbabwe. so, you know, when you're treating and making fun of him, you have to realize he's the real deal. i have to ask you, did you expect it to look as unsavory as it did when it got out onto msnbc? >> i never expected to be accused of wielding a frozen

sweet at a crime scene. i have to say. so, no, it was hilarious, it was surreal. the fbi had declared the crime scene over. one can question that. i was astonished that they allowed us in, or let the landlord back in with so much material in the house. and i think certainly filming people's social security cards and passports, people who are alive, is clearly a mistake. i had no part in that. but yeah, it was in the public interest to find out about this terrorist couple living in this house. we saw people in karachi overnight following up leads that i found in a house. we've had people, intelligence people in the uk looking for things. it was an absolute gold mine of information. as well as, you know, the things of ordinary life, the box of

pampers, the baby who was living in there, and the parents who have abandoned her to carry out this horrific act. >> the issue is, when people saw the reporters going through the belongings, i was like going, how can this happen, and where was the supervision? where were the authorities? couldn't this have harmed the evidence and made it harder to make connections later? >> oh, yeah, i think that's entirely possible. but as a reporter that's not on me. once the police take the tape down and the property owner is letting you in, you're not doing your job properly if you don't go in and find out what's going on. i was photographing documents. i was looking at the i.d. cards. there were notebooks with numbers in dubai and other parts of the middle east. it was important information. and it was kind of a lucky break as a journalist when structures break down and you're able to get at this stuff firsthand so

soon after a crime. >> okay. so then i have to be critical. because what you're saying is, it's not your fault that you were let in. although you admit you shouldn't have been in there. right? >> i think -- it's a question for the fbi. and maybe they know some things that i don't. but it would seem to me, certainly the british police would have sealed the house for months and be scouring through everything. i'm slightly concerned as an american citizen that some of these documents weren't taken away for analysis. maybe they photographed them in an incredibly clever way and they've already chased down all the leads. but it seemed to me they potentially left a few loose ends there, if you will. >> toby, you sound like somebody who walked into a place and said, i can't believe they let me in here, and then you continued to walk through it. >> right. journalism is like that sometimes. >> yeah, i know. all right. time to take a break. so, how will the san bernardino

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growth of terrorism. >> that was larry david. the day after the paris attacks, connecting terrorism to climate change. meanwhile, hillary clinton acknowledges the san bernardino attack as a terrorism case. but she's still clinging to her gun control. >> we've got to have a strategy to defeat these global terror networks. now, part of that strategy, i'm just going to say this, again, i've been talking about it for the last few days, is to try to prevent terrorists from getting their hands on guns in our country. >> now that this is an official terrorism investigation, will democrats keep playing the climate change card, and gun card, or come to their senses and admit that they've all their heads up their collective butts? don't hold your breath. kennedy? who's hurt by this? there's no democrats on the correct side of the issue. >> no. they were completely wrong. and shame on them, absolutely.

always, these events give way to hysteria. and again, you have to check the innocenti. joann noted earlier there was a huge gap where everybody was pinning it on their political opponent and then losing. and, of course, no one takes responsibility for it. and, i mean, i said this the other day on outnumbered, but i think all of these events, fortunately if you're a donald trump supporter, or unfortunately if you're a rational human, they play into his hand. they are all centered in his wheel house. >> this is leading to a theory that i may have come up with, or stolen from somebody. when the liberals advocate their responsibility in a greater war, whether it's against communism or terror, that opens the pathway for other people who could be angrier, or sincere, or opportunistic to take that place. does that make sense? >> it absolutely does.

but that's the nature of politics. that's why some folks like me think it's all a bunch of crap, excuse my language. >> how dare you. >> focus on the issues. this kind of horrible atrocity, tragically, makes room for all the crazies to come out of the woodwork. it's kind of like the rorschach test. what do you see in the photo? >> butterflies humping. we could blame hillary clinton's necklace and talk about that for a few minutes. that might be a better thing to talk about. >> there's a difference here. they often say this to me, they say when it's a white shooter, it's a crazy guy on too much medication. but when it's a muslim, it's part of an overall plan. and i go, it is. and they are. that's why i do that. >> that is why you do that, gavin. i have been there when you've done that. >> muslim attacks, terror attacks are well laid out. other white attacks are always nuts. and they always have been. >> let's look at donald trump.

>> yeah. >> god love him. the guy says what he thinks. and he didn't say anything that sounded remotely like president obama or hillary clinton. >> nobody has a gun except the bad guys, the scum. the scum. they're scum. and nobody has a gun, nobody can protect themselves. they got lucky that they left. they left because they didn't want to die. you know, it's a whole big hoax they want to die. they don't want to die. they talk about they want to die. they don't want to die. they're chicken [ bleep ]s, believe me. >> he's like clint eastwood in gran torino. >> it's refreshing. >> it is. >> people want to hear this. because everybody else has abby indicated their responsibility. >> it's so evil. climate change versus an actual radicalized religion. terrorists who are carrying this out for their greater cause.

and i think that we see in trump, a man who wants to fight real evil. whether or not there's a right way to do that, or if he even knows how to do that, i don't know. we like to hear that after something like this. >> you know what it is, he might not be the right man for the job, but it's the right moment to hear those words, because everybody's thirsting to hear those words. kat, who has the best chance to defeat this threat? >> look, i don't know. obviously none of us know. i agree with you in terms of what trump is saying, being important. and for a different reason that hasn't really been brought up. he calls them scum. he says we can't be treating them, talking about them like they're these huge masterminds. i think we need to be calling them losers. we need to be saying they're weak, that they're cowards. we make sure that we don't make them feel like they're awesome. >> we're going to be back with some closing thoughts after

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>> the president recently has been very focused on what i would call tactical victories. we've disrupted a cell here, we've cut off a supply route there. that means in the overall fight against isis, we're making progress. they blew that explanation out of the water. so i think putting all of this aside, focusing on the future, we need a good, solid comprehensive plan to fight isis, militarily and to fight the ideology.

>> very good. kennedy? >> something we didn't have a chance to talk about, that was the raid on the house in redlands. people say it was a big mistake on the part of the fbi. i actually think that was very deliberate, and they took what they needed to. they had news cameras there, in order to disseminate information that the house was open and that they would trap people who came back in desperation, either looking for some sort of material, something they might have left behind or something that would further implicate those people. i don't think that was a mistake at all. >> wow, interesting thought there. xw gavin? >> that's a tough theory to top. it's socio logic theory that goes throughout history. when you are a wimp, you create a vacuum and another bully is going to come in. so we need trump to reestablish american bravado, or else a more

backwards society will come forward. whether you like it or not, there has to be a jerk position and we are the best people to be in that. >> we are the best jerks. we are the best jerks over. joanne? >> oh, yeah. radicals should always be a greater threat than rhetoric. and i think that's something the politicians need to keep in mind, especially when the american voter is as concerned as our safety as we are right now. >> very good. last to you, katie. >> i think that leaders need to be more focused on finding solutions than how to have the most politically advantageous take. hillary has to know this isn't as simple as guns, but she also knows that's a great take that makes her narrative go forward and also because she doesn't want to look dumb because when she spoke too soon. let's be more focused and solutions.

>> i think i'm going to tweet that later. awesome. we had a smart panel tonight. thanks to everyone.