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>> in three hours the president will address the nation and well have it here on fox news channel stay tuned. >> on buzz america. "new york times" demanding more gun control in the first page one editorial in 95 years. the daily news taunting the republicans for offering prayers rather than gun control. the morning after a shooting rampage in san bernardino, that left 14 people dead. >> i have to say a last democrats were saying, how insensitive to talk about the second amendment at a time like this. i am not interested in being sensitive to islamic terrorists. you don't stop the bad guys by taking away our guns. you stop the bad guys by using or guns. >> when it comes to gun violence time and time again all we hear from the people is thoughts and prayers. people keep on dying and dying
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and dying. >> that california attack days after three people were killed at a planned parenthood in colorado springs. are the media turning debate over mass murder into a partisan blame game? what about the bizarre spectacle of the tv reporters going through the terrorist california apartment? party revolt aimed at stopping the frontrunner. >> "new york times" reporting that ends are panicking, panicking, they are running around scared like chicken with their heads cut off because they realize donald trump could go all the way. anyone thinking about this process. who takes donald trump and when? >> a senator is saying this will be armageddon but i am afraid to go on the record for afraid of being attacked. when is the last time you ever
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saw that? >> are the media hyping the alleged antidonald trump effort when no one is leading it rahm emanuel facing calls for his resignation and a police coverup a year after an officer under indictment was captured on video shooting a black teen 16 times. is the press getting tough on the chicago mayor? i am howard kurtz and this is "media buzz" now. the "new york times" with a page one editorial calls for batching of weapons and ammunition and saying there is no need to debate the second amendment declaring it is a national disgrace and moral outrage civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. joining us to analyze the media role inñr this fast moving story
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and the impact on presidential campaign is ed henry, the chief white house correspondent covering hillary clinton and a jim geraghty, and penny lee, a democratic strategist and commentator. everyone weighing in on "new york times" taking the step of putting the pro gun control measures on the front page. >> >> without agreeing or disagreeing with what they want it is what big media institutions should do, get involved and get their hands dirty on the big issues. people are scared. these -- there is terror, number one and we with should talk about that. this is an]fwb0,+l7l!n explosion violence in recent months and recent years and it appears that our leaders in washington, dc, are doing nothing. in fairness, the hope to the republicans, i think we should press the republicans as "new york times" did, because the congress hasn't done anything, but the democrats, to suggestion from president obama to hillary clinton that there is some magic
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formula here, that something on gun control would have stopped what happened in california, that simply is not true, and we need to call them out. >> i rarely have seen a newspaper, one, so desperately cry for attention, look at us and see what we are doing. we know you do not pay attention to our regular editorials in the "a" section so we put it on the front enry. and ex you have at the daily news, we can be outrageous and controversial, too. >> absolutely present to be able to draw as ed said draw out the debate that is what it is, to be provocative and put it out as debate. this, regardless of san san bernardino there are multiple episodes and a solution has not been drawn so to provoke that debate, absolutely, it wasi
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>> a republican revolt, the so-called republican establishment against donald trump and it sprung from a "new york times" story say there is panic, and after a "washington post" story said there was panic, because donald trump looks like a serious threat to win the nomination. why is this a story? the going isn't actually able to do anything? >> they should have been panicked because they have been leading for months. if they are panicked now and i am not saying they should or monte mcnaughton be, but wake up and smell the coffee.
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truck has been dominating the race on both sighs. >> but the republicans -- there was a refrain. it is a summer call, this will fade. >> but they were wrong. wrong. pick what everything is saying. i am very skeptical when i hear the narrative, parroted by all kinds of other people on the left and right and center that there is panic and the republics have to do something. no one know what happens they can do or if they have the guts every republican presidential candidate who has tried toçó challenge donald trump started with rick perry and jindal, they have gone down and the money does it who said he is not for real, are saying the republicans have to do something. why believe them now, either. >> jim, "new york times" on the editorial page has gone after trump, racist liar all of that, front page of today, news story, 95,000 words many ominous --.
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>> editorial? >> nothing to do with guns but all about the donald where temperatures are analyzing everything he has said. howard...it is like a consult. this is a very lengthy exercise that feels like i was waiting for the chapter, who was interesting next expanding real word "we," and i remember, yes, we can, i remember donald trump divided people into "us," and "them." recommend mitt romney saying he is not one of us, as much as i am king of the donald trump haters club, i have written all kinds of critical stuff, going back to the 80s, spy magazine and myself but i look at this, and it is more than unfair, to
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compare him to a nazi. all the obama campaign had an ad saying mitt romney gave a worker cancer and i does not hear media route rage. >> this analysis said he is like george wallace or mccarthy, that? >> it goes back to the early point this is not someone who sits down for interviews and they are relying on what they have heard in the rallies, what they have seen and heard from his own speeches because he does not sit down. >> he regularly talks to the "washington post" and robert kosta, and i don't think inaccessible is a problem the he would not content for this problem. >> he did not. but he does not go -- you ask the questions he does not have the answers is they are going through and trying to determine
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what they see as far as in the forum and larger public and in the drive by run through television interviews. >> we have immigration and tax plans and they go through the sinister implication of his words and he is like, how are we going to do it? we will just do it. that is how. this circular logic, half completed sentences. it leaves a lot of room for interrogation. >> and he used the word "horrible," 14 times and "weak," 13 teams. it is residential when terrorists kill innocent civilians. it is not out of the blue. >> and a lead story of the language is the 12-year-old girl at a trump rally saying, i am scared what are you going to do to protect the country? i am not defending what he says or does but when a 12-year-old said i am scared, what are you doing? if your language is harsh it is because a 12-year-old is saying
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this. >> and hillary clinton on "this week," this morning, george stephanopolis of course worked with hillary clinton in the clinton white house, and was criticized for making those $75 ,000 donations and asked already about the mail, her honesty and trustworthiness and what she would do about isis and then this clip from donald trump. >> she will do a couple of minutes in iowa, a heard period time and then you do not see he for five or six days, she goes home and goes to sleep. i am telling you...she doesn't have the strength, she doesn't have the stamina. >> goodness gracious. >> i guess you don't agree? he can agree with anything he says that is subject to one's second of fact checking -- one second of fact choking. >> what did you make of stephanopolis posing that? >> it was great way to get -- to
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see her reaction. it is true, what she is saying, it is a one minute fact check so it shows her own ability to laugh at herself. >> short answers. >> and what a laugh it is to laugh at her sell. all the observation of trump, he does television live. but how often does they do hostile questions? >> not often. >> on the fact check part she doesn't space it out by six days, she sometimes has a gajé gajé they are fighting for dear life because they have so many candidates and are closer but she did not space the evens out zók,aug;l(>> let me get a breakd me a twitter message. you and e-mail me with a look at what the media are playing a polarizing role after the mash shootings in san bernardino and planned parenthood clinic.
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>> the reporting said hillary clinton is about she could not find show time and the lighter stuff. >> real problem. our and come tears are saying, we are missing the news value. >> hick has 999 problems and the f.b.i. is one of them. there is now 999 e-mails that have some sort of classified information and at the beginning of the story in march the u.n. news conference said, i know the deal and there was no classified information in my server. that was not true. as brit hume saidd it was not marked and a last intelligence experts say if it is being born right then and there and a top aide is sending you real time sensitive information of course it is not marked because it has not gone through the system. the point is the server was going an the system and that marked the things classified s there a bomb "san jose mercury news" -- a bombshell? no. there are> there was back-and-forth
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about the ban gaza questioning and one said it did not go well and all other advisors said it was great. are the media just tired of this? there is nothing that is a "bombshell," it is just more of what we have heard? >> and every major outlet covered it so whether it is just the highlights they covered it, whether there was a bombshell or not, there wasn't, so people now are turning their attention to what is the outcome of the fbi investigation? that is where the focus is going to be and whether the justice department, if on recommendations from the fbi, there they find anything, if anything is actionable, that is where the story --. >> i am surprised charlie rose did not bring this up on cbs and pbs but she asked about the ties to wall street... >> i am not that worried that the grandma cannot use the fax machine. >> before she was a candidate, the hillary clinton does a lot
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of good reporting and other institutions on the clinton foundation donors getting arm deals approved bring various countries and state department awards going to clinton foundation people, and some was never be addressed. i would ratherñi she be asked about that, than you are having trouble with the row most -- remote. the maims show quid pro quo on the chinning to foundation are not there is that because there are future document dumps coming on new year's eve? or were they destroyed? or maybe less nefarious they do not exist and nothing was illegal? we don't know. >> i expect you to be working new year's eve. >> ed henry and jim and penny, thank you all for joining us. should journalistsen called for the resignation of rahm emanuel after a chicago police coverup in the killing of a teen?
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comments initially but it this past wednesday and you can see negative in red, positive in green, and the average was 65 percent negative and 35 percent positive a 2-1 split against the billionaire. now by outlet, msnbc which covered him more than any other network, 69 percent negative against donald trump. cnn, 70s percent negative. fox news a bit higher, 72 percent negative against donald trump. remember, many conservative commentators are major trump critics. abc and nbc and cbs, combined here, under 68 percent negative and trump does bet with "new york times", 58 percent negative mention. now, this could fuel his argument that the mainstream media are against him but as we have shown by our count all the major republican candidates drew nwñkñ_ positive. more negative this newspaper cover ripping the republicans in the wake of the san bernardino shooting rampage ignite as fierce backlash and,
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>> everything is frustrated, and everyone is asking, why? and everyone is asking, what can we do? we have to do something. not going to fix it. with veto fix it. >> are the media exacerbatingñr tensions after the planned parenthood and california masser? we have gayle trotter and ⌟2qw/ nationally syndicated liberal radio show. what do you think of this? >> same thing that "new york times" said, they took their editorial and put it on the first page but did knit a more concise fashion with one sentence their these and pictures but it is the same thing. it shows that many in the media assume that gun control will fix the mass shootings we are having and the terrorist attacks. it is offensive to a last americans because it feels like it is an attack not only on our first amendment rights of free exercise, but, also, our second
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amendment rights to make sure we can protect ourselves and our families so it deeps like a double whammy. unlike "new york times" this is a headline for a news story not an editorial and some are saying this is typical of the media turning the shootings into a plea for mother gun control and suggesting those that do not agree --. >> well, where there is smoke there is fire and the two shootings in two weeks say we large problem. the media is highlighting the progress. there is --. >> what the media is trying to point out, is the republican arguments, and the thoughts and prayers and we have seen -- there is no one saying, not the that passing background checks will stop terrorism. i don't think that is what they are saying but it is a time for push failure. when the media covered selma, crossing the bridge 50 years
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ago, the idea was covering it could invoke action in congress and this is the media doing this. >> this seems very different than selma, and the daily news is owned by a conservative columnist and mort zuckerman who call this a slap of christianity and people who mourn the dead. >> the "new york times" editorial calls for sweeping gun control, going further that president obama is supposed to go, and the fox news contributor took aim, literally, at this editorial and it was posted on-line, so your response on this motion that the media are trying to highlight a serious problem and there is a serious problem. >> if that is true they would not just highlight the republicans saying our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of san bernardino because rebound said his thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their family. we should have that expression. it just shows that their answer to it is one way, they think gun
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control is the answer and that belies the fact that we want action but we have different ways of acting and the media is taking sides if a very gratuitous way that swipes at a last americans and it is distaste will. >> anything gratuitous? >> i don't think they are swiping at americans but if you are a legal gun owner is you got your gun the right way, that is perfectly fun, that is what our constitution said. they saying there is no reason that the individual who shot at planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs or the san bernardino shooter should have that type of reason. no rope. the reason they have it is gun laws --. san bernardino was clearly a case, we know, of a muslim couple who became radicalized by imslays and conservative commentators, are they trying to turn this into an attack on muslims? the new york post changed the headline to muslim killers as more information came out the night of the shooting.
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>> why think you can look at san bernardino in a vacuum, you have san bernardino and colorado springs, what it says to us as americans --. >> talk how the media frame it. >> it is a problem. terrorism does not know a religion or creedñi offer race. terrorism is crazy people acting crazy and acting irrational. that is the same thing we saw in colorado springs and the same thing we saw in sanñr bernardin. crazy people acting out. >> sometimes it is crazy people with access and we can debate whether tougher gun control, in some cases it would not have an affect but in some cases it might, in the case of san bernardino maybe they are crazy but it was pre-planned with ammunition in the name of religion. >> not crazy but a purposeful act which is why it is being investigated as an act of terror. the interesting thing is the business act september. they knew it would be 11 million views on facebook, two million views on twitter. so they were jumping into a very
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important conversation we are to what happened on friday, played on live tv as tv reporters went into the apartment of the terrorists in california with the f.b.i.'s permission and the landlord's permission, and cnn and fox news certainly had live shots from there but were cautious in what air for the longest, the first, and been the most controversial. take a look. >> come over and you can see the baby toys, we have...really, quite a number of toys. there is a teddy bear here. >> so...this is clearly a birthday party taking placeq wih the cake and the smiles and it looks like someone's 9th birthday party. >> make sure we do not show the children. >> let's not show the child.
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>> california i.d.... >> and rifafarook and i will step away. okay? i take it we do not want to see the pictures. >> we blurred out the driver's license, msnbc did not. >> apart from legal issues and the investigation investigations as a bother i am horrified they are showing personal children who are in no way implicated in this and it is a complete abrogation of journalists' integrity. >> msnbc regretted showing dentification cards and in an apology. a 24 hour news cycle. everyone is trying to get to the front of the story and sometimes you make really bad judgment calls and this is one of them.
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>> fox reported from the scene and we were more cautious as cnn feeling ashamed of witnessing a control with hundreds of journeyists]zmwíxwpt swarming te apartment and he made a point of not touching or showing them but he wish he taped it and fed it to new york so it could have been reviewed. after the break we will examine the same issues in the aftermath of the planned parenthood shootings are the media tie this to republican rhetoric? later, veteran chicago anchor carol marin on whether rahm emanuel tried to keep the real story of how an officer killed a plan teen from the press. f how a black teenager from the press. i have asthma... ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler
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>> one question seemed to bounce around the media after the crazed gunman killed three people in a planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs. could this be linked to conservatives? those that oppose abortion rights could don't it down, did the rest risk get out of the hand on planned parenthood? >> they say the rhetoric has created the environment where it happened. do you agree? fiorina said falsely that planned parenthood was guilty of harvesting a live baby's organs ...isn't this kind of rhetoric that is fueling the mentally unbalanced people to act? >> what do you thick of the anchors, these and others repeatedly asking republican candidates and others whether speaking out against abortion
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and planned parenthood could be limped to the violence or have inspired the attack? >> apart from the legal issue whether it is incitement to violence, clearly sit not, it seemed like there is an effort by the media, some, to morale shame republican politicians from talking about this issue, planned parenthood and the controversial videos and investigating at the state and federal legal. it seems there is a moral shaming. this very important issue that americans very much care about on either side of the debate, and to say we are just not going to have this discussion because it might inspire someone to do something wrong. >> richard foul her, executive vice president of planned parenthood sid blumentahl offensive and outrageous some are claiming that the tragedy at planned parenthood had nothing to do with the toxic environment they helped to create? >> i am in the middle because the statement of carly fiorina, she was wrong. they were not harvesting live
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body parts. >> they were talking about it. >> but they were not. this individual, dear, needs to be called what he is, a terrorist who engaged in terrorist activities with political motivation, that is what terrorism is. >> that is not clear. >> it is being investigated as an act of terror according to the f.b.i. because these is a terrorist. >> based on one thing he said to law enforcement officials that is not open record and we do not know who he supposedly said this to. it is guilt by association and not only --. >> it is a double standard. that part was is double standard. when muslims engage in activity they are labeled terrorists and this individual who is radicalized individual does something to planned parenthood clinic he is not labeled as terrorist that is a problem. >> domestic terrorism the. >> but it is terrorism. >> and the point that some of the media are trying to shame republicans would believe or
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conservative whose believe as a matter of conscience and the country is so divided, that abortion is wrong, and that planned parenthood should be defunded. you can debate that but to link that to violence seems to me to be partisan blaming. >> this is what i think when you talk about planned parenthood, have a debate about abortion but it is the law of the land, period, 50 years ago. we can talk about defunding planned parenthood but engaging in rhetoric and saying untruthful things about organization that causes folks to radicalize, itñi is wrong. it can go both way, ben carson said both sides should tone down the rhetoric and some pro life leaders ripped him for calling on both sides to cool it. >> that is ben carson coming across at being reasonable and wanting to have an intellectual debate but you said we should have the abortion debate. my whole point is that the media is trying to we circle much the
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debate. we should have a robust debate, but, on the other hand, you are saying it is tying, possibly tying into the actions of this person where there is really no evidence that he was moments vatted by a political reason. >> it was very --. all the people in colorado springs. >> the media is not stopping the debate, which was testimony in congress for three hours and the media covered it, the entirive the debate so i don't think the media is stopping the debate. have the debate and the conversation and see where the ships fall but to engage in falsehoods of the organization and a woman's right to choose, that is where the line is. >> it bogs me when either plays the demonization game and there is violence you tie it to a person's words, i think it is easy and cheap thing to do. >> next on "media buzz" y7171thanks for a good discussi today, next on "mediabuzz," president obama's former chief of staff tied to an appalling
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we'll credit your account $20. it's our promise to you. we're doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. rahm emanuel is getting hammered over a police coverup involving a now indicted police times and the mayor fired a police chief after a video showed the killing of laquan mcdonald and rahm emanuel was pressed on the price he would pay. >> what is your office saying. >> you will make the judgment, i think i am doing my job and i try to do it every day if if -- in a professional way.
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>> we have carol marin a columnist for the "chicago sun-times," pursuing this for a year. >> you everyone at the news conference where you saw the mayor. given the context and circumstances and what we know, were some reporters going too far by asking the mayor whether he would resign? >> i don't know if they were going too far, they should know that rahm emanuel isn't going to constitutionally to replace him. the real question, the questions that honestly dominated the news conference, what did the police and the mayor know when did they finally tell us the truth of what they knew. >> you questions the mayor about the suppression of evidence because without that video, to would not have exploded the way that it did. he came back and he has done it in subsequent interviews saying it would be improper as the mayor of the city of chicago to look at the videotape or the
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evidence while there was an ongoing police investigation. wouldn't he have been accused of tampering in the case if he did that? >> that is his claim. he said he is doing what has always been done. which includes the daily administration before him. but a circuit court judge did not see that argument at all. the city police department was not currently investigating it and the feds has taken it over and the video videotape was the tape and the judge forced the mayor to release it although city hall fought the release for 13 months. >> given your pursuit of this story for a long-term as i mentioned, do you believe the mayor and his government paced on what we know, wanted to keep the media in fining out what really happened in this case involving laquan mcdonald, at least until rahm emanuel was safely elected? >> there is a reasonable question to that. the mayor denies it. and he issued an oped in both newspapers. the fact is, rahm emanuel has
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done some good things in address ing past police torture and other misconduct but he has not been transparent with freedom of information act requests and has resisted very grudgingly released material here. the most important thing, most important thing, is right after this shooting occurred, his own police department and a superintendent admitted he knew of the error where they said laquan mcdonald lunged and it was not corrected although he knew the next day. >> and a freelance journalist pursued this based on an anonymous tip. you wrote you are fed up with the feds, the federal government, for moving slowly and rahm emanuel himself, reversed himself and now said he welcomes the justice department investigation of chicago police practices. do you believe this delay could be realitied to his friend being in the white house, rebound?
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>> no, i don't necessarily think so. i think this is a controlling of the narrative thing. you know rahm emanuel, and you know how it works in washington, dc, you control the story, you criminal how the story is reported and rahm emanuel is always argued, never let a contribution go to waste. the difference is, this crisis is spiraling out of his control and he cannot control the hairive. it will require a very different kind of playbook and the public's right to know. >> a classic case of the press eventually, finally, forcing the facts to like. carol marin thank you. >> how "politico" got cozy with one of the chin -- clinton and why a certain dress went viral. but it doesn't cover everything.
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mike allen politico's most influential columnist now regrets the way he >> a "politico" columnist rejects how he moved chelsea clinton, because no one would ask questions and i would work with you on topics and there woulds@p?o7?karith you on topic and there would be, quote, no risk. the interview never happens but he writes in his column it was a clumsy e-mails. as for questions in advance, he says he has never done it, it would make for a boring event. but allen offered to provide the questions in advance which is a major journalistic no-no and make it's look like politico is cozying up to clintons. he interviewed also rahm emanuel the day after the chicago mayor had fired his police chief over the killing of the teenager and spilled the beans on something they had privately discussed bathback stage. >> you take your young people on
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fascinating trips around the world to cuba, why? >> thank forz telling everybody what i'm going to do with my family. you had a private conversation with me. now you decide to make that public. i really don't appreciate that, number one. i really don't. can you give me your cell number? i'd like you to listen to amy. >> i apologize for that. >> i don't blame emanuel for his wife amy for being ticked off. mike allen said the mayor didn't put the information specifically off the record and may had been trying to distract people from the police mess. but disclosing a family vacation? it started when jennifer myers in dallas wore a $23 dress she bought on amazon and began to hear from other women. turns out lots of women who deals with overnight lows and storm fronts wear the same dress. myers posted a collage on reddit. it went utterly viral.
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as one explains, when it comes to women, weather and wardrobe, it's complicated. >> finding the right thing to wear in our profession is sometimes hard. you're trying to please so many people. there's so many rules. you can't wear patterns. you are supposed to always wear sleeves. only bright enclocolors, someth fitted but not skin. >> it helps to get the weather right, but after all, it's television. >> even if you mess up the forecast, the thing they're going to remember unfortunately if you're a woman sometimes is what you're wearing. >> that's true for men on television, isn't it? maybe not. that's it for this edition of "media buzz." i'm howard kurtz. we hope you'll like our facebook page. check it out. we post original content there, respond to your questions, we have a video feature called your buzz. also check out the sirius xm station fox has 24/7 headlines where you can hear my daily media minute. i have to compress my words.
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you can always e-mail us med mediabuz mediabuz mediabuzz@foxnews.com. we're back here next sunday 11:00 and 5:00 eastern with the latest buzz. i'm chris wallace. another mass shooting rocks america. >> i am chris wallace, another mass shooting rocks america and we have the latest on the investigation. >> this is now a federal terrorism investigation led by the f.b.i., we uncovered evidence of explosives and multiple armaments and high powered weapons. >> 14 dead, 21 wounded, we will have reports from the crime scene and washington about the killers and their motive. we will ask congressman chair of the house of representatives homeland security committee is there anyway to stop these attacks? >> then, we need to be able to combat these things and otherwise we will melt into