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on. >> reporter: is the solution worse than the problem? "fox news reporting, the truth about sex and college." and now, martha maccallum. >> like so much else on college campuses today sex has become deeply politicized. matters that were once commonly understood are now up for grabs. what is consent? what is sexual activity? and most importantly, what constitutes an assault? we've long heard the government is best kept out of the bedroom. but as it turns out in colleges across the nation government is insisting that it be referee in life's most intimate moments. and far from resisting, activist activists on campus are inviting the government in in fact they're demanding that it do more. we investigated how the rule book on campus sex is being rewritten and what we discovered may surprise you.
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john doe as we will call him grew up in northern california. a dedicated student who attended a magnet high school and had a passion for history. >> i believe in a very good student. i wouldn't say straight a but around there. >> a few yaeks ago john applied for occidental college, a small school in los angeles. his grandparents as well as a young barack obama, once attended. >> i was really happy that i got in. i like the small little arts kind of feel. just felt like a good fit. >> reporter: in his first week of classes, john met another first year student, whom we'll call jane doe. >> she was in some of my international relations classes. >> reporter: john doe played on one of occidental's sports teams and was invited to an initiation party. on the other side of campus jane was partying with her friends at occidental soccer match. we should note that much of the
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following information comes from occidental's investigation report obtained by john doe's attorney. jane doe would not talk to us. and her lawyer was displeased we were even doing this story while occidental said it would not comment on the specifics of a sexual misconduct case. back at the initiation party john says he drank too much. >> they had a sober member of my sports team drive me back to my dorm room. and i don't remember a lot of this. you know it's bits and pieces. my roommate had a couple of friends over. jane doe was one of his friends. i just remember kind of playing music and getting out of bed and jane doe and i were on my bed just talking and i believe, you know kissing. and at some point she takes off her shirt and she's just in her bra. >> reporter: jane's friends, seeing she was drunk, took her away. back to her room on a separate
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floor. before she left, she and john exchanged phone numbers. soon jane and john were texting. >> over text yes, do you have a condom? i say yeah i do. she says great. you know i'll be down in two minutes. i said okay. >> reporter: jane sneaked past her dorm adviser and headed for john's room. on the way she felt sick and vomited. a friend came by brought her to the men's room where she became ill again. after that she went to john's room. >> i don't have any recollection of this, but when she walked in initially to return to my room she asked if i had any gum. and i said yes, and gave her a piece of gum before we had sex. >> reporter: they became intimate. at one point john went to bathroom down the hall. jane's friends came by to check on her. they stood outside the room and asked her three times if she was okay. she said she was fine. they asked if she needed help.
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she once again said she was fine. >> i don't remember if we proceeded to have more sex or anything like that. but at some point i kind of decide that i don't really want to continue, you know i help her get dressed. and then she leaves. >> reporter: the next day jane texted john asking if she could come by to get her belt and her earrings. when they met, jane asked him if they had had sex. john is almost certain they did. turns out, it was her first time. after talking for a few hours, they decided to just stay friends. the following week jane was late for class. >> texting her, where are you, is everything okay? she said oh, yeah i'll be in in a couple of minutes. and when she arrives she comes in and sits don ss down next to me. >> reporter: to john things
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seemed am mickable. what she didn't know is that jane was uncomfortable about her night with him. jane went to assistant professor daniel dirks, one of the group leaders at occidental sexual assault koeg ligs. dirks was a long time activist on the issue of assault. jane did not describe her interlude with john doe as sexual assault, but according to the record dirks believed jane was raped and was suffering some post-traumatic stress disorder. john doe's father has looked at the record and feels professor dirks was pushing for an acu accusation accusation. >> in her notes professor dirks is saying tell me about the rape or something like that and jane doe said oh, i'm not calling it rape yet. dirks communicated to jane doe that she was in a strong state of denial and this every rape victim feels like they haven't been raped. >> reporter: according to jane doe, she learned most rapes are done by repeat offenders who will go on to attack others.
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and once again, according to jane's statement, dirks told her john doe fit the profile, a strong gpa in high school class valedictorian, on a sports team and from a good family. it was this line of thinking that was the impetus to charge john doe with sexual assault. eight days after talking to professor dirks, jane doe filed a report of sexual assault. >> i've got a phone call from the school's mag department telling me under no uncertain terms, that i had to pack up my stuff and leave my dorm immediately and there were officer there's to escort me off campus. >> reporter: john was taken to separate housing where he was isolated from the student body. on campus john was labeled a rapist. >> three guys came up to me and basically struck me in the face
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and hit me. i heard them bragging to a group of people about how they punched the rapist. that -- i think that got me more than anything else. to hear them bragging about punching the rapeist. not a rapist the rapist on campus. that was hard. >> reporter: to john it had been a sexual encounter of a type not uncommon among young people both on and off campus across america. something to be regretted perhaps, but not assault. even jane doe had not called it assault at first. he still remembers their long discussion the day after. >> we talked for nearly three or four hours. and we chalk it up to a drunken mistake and she says i'm really sorry about everything that happened. i shared the same sentiment. i'm really sorry about everything that happened ads as well. i wish it was, you know, a more special experience for everyone
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involved. >> reporter: but now here he was, the campus rapist. when we return we'll show you why john cease's story is a part of a bigger one happening at colleges across the nation. ♪ can't afford to let heartburn get in the way? try nexium 24hr, now the #1 selling brand for frequent heartburn. get complete protection with the new leader in frequent heartburn. that's nexium level protection.
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and if you're pregnant or planning to be. ask your doctor about otezla today. otezla. show more of you. we just saw john doe accused of assault and thrown into a system he didn't fully understand. but where did this system come from? it started with a letter. this is the dear colleague letter that changed everything. released april 4th, 2011 by the department of education's office of civil rights. it spelled out what colleges were required to do regarding sexual assault policy. >> the issue with sexual violence was one that we brought to light in a kind of renewed focus. >> reporter: wilsonal will lee, then assistant secretary for civil rights in president
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obama's department of education, composed this 19-page letter. >> these are focused on sexual violence, that was new. the focus on insuring that every college and university knew their obligations under the nation's civil rights laws to ensure all students were safe. that was also new. >> reporter: the civil rights law in particular is title ix of the education amendments that were passed in 1972 which forbids discrimination on the basis of sex. sexual assault in this theory becomes a federal issues because it, quote, interferes with a student's right to receive an education free from discrimination. >> i think that the obama administration has high jacketed title ix. >> reporter: bader has worked for the department of education's office for civil rights and has represented both students and faculty in civil rights cases. >> title ix was meant to open the doors of all educational institutions and all it did was
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require colleges to treat men and women equally. it did not give the federal government the power to micromanage the systems. >> reporter: the dear colleague letter is what's known as significant guidance document. but was it more than that? does it just offer guidance to universities or does it have -- >> if colleges and universities don't comply with the nation's civil rights laws their federal funding can be withheld. the guidance though was exactly martha, as you indicated, it was guide lance. >> reporter: this letter of guidance struck like a thunderbolt. now every campus across america was on notice, not that it came entirely out of the blue. for some time there had been a growing movement demanding a change to campus policies. >> you had women's advocates and victims advocates saying their claims of sexual assault were not being taken seriously. >> reporter: ash scow of the "washington examiner" has written often about the issue of sexual assault on campus.
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>> now thanks to the obama administration that dear colleague letter, the incentive is completely flipped, where it is hold more students accountable, regardless of the evidence. you can't vis rate due process in the name of politics. >> reporter: a centerpiece of the argument of ed aadvocates was a 2007 study by the national institute of justice that stated one in five women are threatened or assaulted while in college. indeed this has become the go-to statistic for those pushing major reform. >> it is estimated that one in five women on college campuses has been sexually assaulted during their time there. one in five. >> we know the numbers. one in five of every one of those young women who has dropped off that first day of school, before they finish school will be assaulted, will be assaulted in their college years. >> reporter: the number made people sit up and take notice.
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it also made many question the source. >> if you go back and you actually dive into these studies and you see low response rate nonrepresentative samples, you have leading questions, you have study authors making the determination, whether something was sexual assault, whereas the person responding to the study might not even say that themselves. >> the bureau of justice statistic's own study indicated a much lower rate of rape and sexual assault on campus. the report indicated that less than 1% of all college students are raped. many of the studies that come up figure closer to one in five are not just measuring rape they're also measuring certain types of inappropriate touching. >> reporter: bader also questions of favorite phrase used by advocates. that there's a rape epidemic on campus. >> epidemic suggest an increase and the rapes, although we would risch there was no sexual assault, the rapes have been
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going down not up. >> there is definitely a campus sexual assault hysteria going on. >> reporter: the dear colleague letter also insisted on a low standard of proof ins a sexual assault proceedings. a criminal court requires the highest standard beyond a reasonable doubt. but under the department of education guidelines colleges would use a preponderance of evidence standard. that means that those judging only need to be slightly above 50% certain that the accused person is responsible. >> if you're found responsible of rape which is obviously a violent crime, shouldn't you be given an opportunity to have a higher more reasonable doubt measure. >> what we are talking about under title ix is whether students are safe to learn and whether they are discriminated or not based on their sex. >> reporter: the dear colleague letter was a revolution.
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and yet, it wasn't based on any law passed by congress. it wasn't even a new regulation. >> the 2011 dear colleague letter did not go through any sort of review process. was not subject to congressional approval of any kind. it was basically an interoffice memo that is now being used to create new laws new policies, and new ways to punish schools if they do not follow those policies. >> reporter: one place that got the message loud and clear was occidental college. even before john doe cake to campus the school was facing a class action lawsuit with 37 female students claiming their sexual assault accusations had been mismanaged. two well-known champions for up ending the system are occidental professors caroline heldman and danielle dirks, whom we met earlier. >> we have the examples of sexual assault that are rampant. >> reporter: together they headed occidental's sexual
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assault coalition. in other words advocates like these helped create the system that would decide john doe's fate. when we return, we'll see how occidental dealt with john doe's case. ♪ centrum brings us the biggest news... in multivitamin history. a moment when something so familiar... becomes something so...new. introducing new centrum vitamints. a multivitamin that contains a full spectrum of essential nutrients... you enjoy like a mint. new centrum vitamints. the coolest way yet... to get your multivitamins. whether your car is a new car an old car
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>> when we left when we left john doe he was being gated for sexual assault. it didn't seem that way to john. john doe spent most of his first term in college waiting to find out what would be done in his case. jane doe, now convinced she had been a assaulted, filed charges with the los angeles police department. however, after a nearly
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two-month investigation, the decision was made not to prosecute. it was determined that john and jane doe may have exercised bad judgment but both had been willing participants. then in december occidental informed john he needed to prepare for a title ix hear that would be held in four days. >> september through december, four months of kind of being stonewalled by the administration i'm supposed to show up and bring my evidence and i have to present to this judge that they hire and she'll decide if i, you know committed what they're accusing me of. >> reporter: he had hired a lawyer but john wasn't allowed to have him with him at the hearing. >> the accused student is expected to defend himself as if he were a 45-year-old lawyer. >> the school said this isn't legalistic this is our private investigation. as a private investigation, you're not entitled to any of
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these rights. >> reporter: john was allowed to bring in a school employee as an adviser. >> i think i asked three or four different males who were employed by occidental. and they all said no. you know understandably, given the climate at occidental representing me would not be the best thing for their careers. >> reporter: john did finally manage to find an adviser, the woman who headed the cafeteria. even then she wasn't allowed to speak during the hearing but only to offer emotional support. the proceedings were held on december 7th, with john doe and his adviser, jane doe and her adviser, and occidental title ix coordinators. witnesses and occidental's investigator were brought in to present the facts. asking the questions and sitting in judgment of john was marylou mirkovich, an attorney from a los angeles county law firm. >> i was the only male in the room. and in a room full of nine women
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when you know a crying teenage girl is pointing at me saying he raped me there's a certain emotional impact of that that i can't respond to. how do i respond to that? >> reporter: john doe wasn't merely lacking a lawyer there was very little due process of any kind that would be found in a court of law. >> this 18-year-old can't have a lawyer in any of the hearings doesn't have a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination doesn't have the right to see the evidence, doesn't have a right to cross-examine his accuser or confront his accuser? and you think well, this is america, we have those rights. you don't have any of those rights on a college campus. >> reporter: much of the hearing hinged on consent. john tried to introduce the lapd investigation of the case but he was told it was inadmissible. he also told the panel that both of them were drunk.
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>> i was told blatantly, it's not relevant. stop talking. >> reporter: according to occidental's policy only jane's level of intoxication mattered. >> all of these ed ad a have casey group that are supposed to be empowering women but under these policies the complete opposite effect is happening. they're taking women back decades by telling them they do need somebody to help them along. they do need especially a man, in order to be there to protect them essentially from themselves. >> reporter: according to occidental john did not protect jane that night. and they contended there was a smoking gun, the piece of gum john gave to jane. jane's request for gum was to supposed to have shown him that she wanted fresh breath, which mean she had been drinking and, therefore, too drunk for sexual rer relations. >> because i gave her a piece of gum i was supposed to somehow now she was incapacitated. i don't remember giving her a
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piece of gun but if a girl i'm about to sleep with walks into a room and askes for a piece of gum, of course you can have a piece of gum. >> reporter: while jane may have been intoxicated she was aware of what was hamppening, that she was not incapacitated. >> but somehow marilou mirokovich latched on to this idea and blir blurred the lines between those two and blurring the lines between those two things cost me my college education. >> reporter: a week later john doe and his family read the decision in the case. >> it was a friday evening. i went outside and he told me that he was found responsible. oh my goodness, yeah i just cried. i can't believe it. how could they do this? >> reporter: john was banished from the school. his transcripts would be marked
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expelled for sexual assault. however, the school agreed to keep his transcript clean while he appealed the decision. john applied for another school. >> one school back in the midwest was very interested in having me attend. i fly all of the way out and i take a taxi to the school and start unpacking. >> reporter: in less than two hours he was informed the dean wanted to see him. >> i'm pretty scared. the dean basically says we got anonymous phone call earlier today saying that you were expelled from occidental for sexual assault and that's not something that was on your application. and, you know i have to be honest and say, yeah yeah i was. and, you know didn't put it onplication for obvious reasons. >> reporter: his acceptance was revoke pd and within 24 hours he was on a plane heading home. while colleges implement the guidance of the dear colleague
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protections for aity caused. the major cause of this change was an advisory letter sent to president obama's department of education which laid out what's expected from universities. however, now there's a bill pending before congress. the campus accountability and safety act that would in essence codify many of the changes making them national law. one of the spos ors of this sbil new york senator kirsten jill brand. >> the reality is the schools are not taking this crime seriously. the president and vice president have both used the number that one in five women are assaulted during their years in college. and you had that number on your website. but it's not there anymore. is that number no longer accurate? >> no it's accurate. it is prevalent and it is real and it's outrageous. >> reporter: at this year's state of the union address, senator gillibrand had a guest, columbia university student emma. she's there to represent victims of sexual assault on campus.
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>> people are me because we as a community do care together. >> reporter: indeed in making her story public emma has become a sentity. her performance art carries that weight where she dragged a mattress with her everywhere on campus got significant press conference. while she's still known worldwide as a symbol of rape survivors, somewhat less known is the complicated story behind it all. paul nungesser raised in germany, attended columbia. >> he was accepted in 2011 as a john j. schoollar. as far as he and his family were concerned the universe was opening up to him. >> reporter: paul was nungesser's attorney. paul met emma as freshman in 2011. they became friends and sent each other private facebook messages. before the school year was out they had become sexually
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intimate. >> she was quite explicit with him in terms of the kind of sexual relationship and activities that she wanted to have with him. >> very much so. in fact, there is an exchange between them where emma says blank me in the butt. and paul's response is maybe not. i miss your face though. and emma responds ha-ha-ha you don't miss my lob sided blank? on the 27th of august which is the first night they were back from the summer they did have sexual intercourse together which included vaginal and anal sex. >> two weeks later she text him, i want to see you, you, you, she says. he sends her a birthday message after that. then she says i love you, paul. >> what was happening we believe at this point is that emma wanted to continue to have a relationship with paul and it be exclusive. and that wasn't something that paul was interested in. >> reporter: seven months later
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in april 2013 columbia notified paul he was, charge with sexualmisconduct. emma claimed that when they had intercourse after returning to school paul had become violent, that he hit emma across the face choked her, pushed her knees under h her chest, and leaned on her knees to keep them up and then grabbed emma's wrists and penetrated her anally. paul wanted to introduce his facebook messages into the hearing but they were disallowed. furthermore, he wasn't allowed to confront his accuser. they were put in separate rooms talking through video monitors. once again, the standard of proof was a preponderance of evidence. despite all this paul was exonerated. >> her story kept changing in front of the panel. and the panel ultimately concluded that she lacked credibility. >> reporter: sul cowiz filed a criminal complaint against nungesser.
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>> the district attorney's office found that there was no probable cause to continue an investigation. >> reporter: emma decided to make her case public. >> she was going to start this campaign of single-handily attempting to destroy paul by carrying around her mattress until he leaves the campus. >> reporter: the media flocked to sul cowits who revealed nungesser's name in sbnan interview. paul became known around the world as emma's rapist. >> paul felt incredibly threatened at times. emma said at several times that it's not safe for him to be on this campus. and some of her supporters posted facebook messages. one that stands out in my mind says i'm only pissed that i'm not in new york to cut his throat myself. >> reporter: emma sul cowis got credit for her mattress project
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"carry that weight" and graduate graduated magna cum laude difficult. >> everyone including columbia university was caught up in this frenzy in this onslaught of being afraid to stand against the idea that while rape is incredibly devastating and serious, so are false allegations. >> reporter: emma with some help from her friends even brought her mattress to graduation. just a few weeks later, she released an explicit eight-minute video. according to emma it's not a re-enactment of her alleged rape. the video, however, appears to take place in a campus dorm room and seems to mirror her description of how she was raped. >> most rapes happen during freshman year. >> so you brought a guest to the 2015 state of the union? >> i brought emma sulkowicz.
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she was a survivor. >> what message did you want to send by bringing her? >> that survivors, if they do have the strength and courage to come forward, they should. that they should be heard. that they should hold their campuses accountable. that they should demand adjudication processes that are fair and that they should know that they're not alone and that people will believe them. >> what about the fact they went through the process and he was found to be not responsible by the campus and then by law enforcement? >> i believe emma. and for all these cases, for all these survivors, sometimes the case doesn't result in a conviction. when we return we see how some of the accused are now challenging the system itself. is e ven better during red lobster's ultimate seafood celebration. with jazzed up new dishes like the decadent grand seafood feast and the ultimate wood-grilled feast why wait to celebrate? so hurry in, it ends soon.
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cory mock and molly morris were both transfer students at the university of tennessee at chattanooga. >> when i was in chattanooga was
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like a really friendly environment, like almost like too friendly. ♪ >> i felt comfortable with the city. i felt comfortable with the roommates. it just felt right. >> reporter: the two met in 2013 and developed a plutonic relationship. then one weekend cory invited molly to come to a party. she said yes. she arrived late had a drink, and then a few more. after a time molly felt dizzy and sick and headed to the bathroom. cory went to check on her. >> he was just patting my face awake, molly, open your eyes. look at me. >> i said stay here with me. just fine. i just sat there. we just talked for a little bit. >> reporter: corey walked her to the bedroom. >> there were no intentions at this point. then we started kissing an everything was totally like a normal kind of hook-up. >> reporter: molly says she doesn't remember much about that
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night, but didn't feel right about what happened. >> there's no way that i would have slept with somebody that a, i wasn't interested in b, had absolutely no relationship with. >> reporter: at the suggestion of her roommate molly went to see a counselor, sarah peters the director of the university women's center. >> i told her, you know, this is not an official report i'm not going to give you his name. all i will say is that he's on the wrestling team. >> reporter: a week later molly got a call from peters who told her there had recently been another assault involving a different wrestler. >> i didn't recognize the name. but that sent a red flag in my brain. >> reporter: that's when molly agreed to go to school officials and report corey for sexual assault. the school investigation took almost four months. after which a hearing was held in june of 2014. the adjudicator was an accounting professor who had been trained as a hearing
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officer. >> i remember going into the first hearing, even my like attorney was like, it will be all right. like this isn't that big of a deal. >> reporter: on august 4th, 2014 the adjudicator came to her decision. she found that what happened that night was not sexual assault, noteing that both students had acted irresponsibly. it looked like corey was free and clear. but 17 days later the school asked the adjudicator to reconsider her decision. and sure enough even though there was no new evidence the decision was reversed. the new finding, corey had violated the student code and would be expelled. >> i called my attorney right away and was like can she do this? he's like yeah she can. >> reporter: his family su expects the decision was overturned because the school feared a title ix lawsuit for molly. >> nowaddais snowaa days if they find
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of the accused, the accuser is going to turn around and go to the department of education and say they mishandled my case. >> reporter: indeed molly was meeting with a noted act vis involved in the campus assault reform movement named annie clark. >> together with annie i had gone over title ix. it was a clear violation. >> reporter: corey appealed the reversal but the school's chancellor upheld the expulsion. in order to be exonerated the chancellor ruled corey mock would have had to show that he had obtained consent before having sex. as a last resort corey appealed his case to the state court to determine the process he had been through was legal and fair. approximately nine months later, the tennessee court came out with its decision. it was a rare case of a college's sexual assault investigation constructed under the guidelines under the department of education, being evaluated by a source outside the educational community.
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and the process was found wanting. judge carol l. mccoy reversed the decision by the university. mccoy stated that the college had improperly shifted the burden of proof by requiring that corey mock disprove the accusations made against him. >> i came home and checked my e-mail and it said we were on the case everything got overturned. and then next day i found out i passed all of my classes, got my graduation. it was a good week. >> reporter: corey's outcome was rare but is becoming less so. in fact, it represents a growing trend. to date there have been at least three other cases of a university's process not holding up to judicial scrutiny. and there are more pending. when we return we look at what we can expect in the future for college campuses and beyond.
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. the idea that college campuses >> the idea that college campus by a culture of rage has taken firm root in popular deception. there was a rolling stone feature about gang rape. university of virginia caused an out cry until the story collapsed and had to be retracted. this book and documentaries that denounced the lack of safety and concern at colleges. amidst this flurry state legislatures are getting into the act. governor jerry brown of california and governor andrew cuomo of new york have laws that have a statewide yes means yes standard. from now on all sexual activity
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on campus would require explicit, affirmative and ongoing consent. but critics question the effect of the law. >> the only way consent really works under these policies is through a question and answer game between couples. may i touch you here. yes. may i kiss you here? yes. may i kiss you like this yes. nobody has sex that way. >> people just create potentially a vast new set of cases that don't involve sexual assault that will have to be handled campus bureaucracies. the evidence will still come down to he said she said. there's no way to prove that this question and answer session occurred outside of a videotape, because all that has to happen is an accuser says i didn't say yes. all this is happening, young people we have profiled on the show go on with their lives. but some less happily than
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others. >> stayed at home for almost a year after that because no one would really take me. >> it took a while, but john doe is now attending a new college. >> obviously there is annish oo you have rape and sexual assault within society that exists today, and i think the move to help combat that and to help make strides against that is a good thing. the problem is that the pendulum has swung so far the other direction now. >> john doe is planning to sue occidental. >> we are looking at somewhere between 2 and 5 years of legal battle in order to clear my name. >> john doe's family spent 120,000 dollars in legal fees. as juror jane doe she left occidental and entered therapy for treatment of post traumatic stress disorder. she is now back at college. corey mock, exonerateed by the
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courts is currently applying to graduate school. incidentally, his father lost his job as head wrestling coach at the university of north carolina. cd says it was because he start add controversial blog defended his son and looked at the investigation of assault. >> i heard the school was getting push back on this and people wanted me fire. >> the college said he was let go based on his performance. molly morris is back at home attending the university of new mexico. >> i wanted to start revoking silence because i saw a need. >> she started an organization for racepe survivors revoking silence. >> and he's already a star in the art world. when we called or an update she told us she was continuing to
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pursue her art and she was hanging up the phone. paul is suing columbia claiming they violated his title 9 rights by allowing him to be harassed. the university has filed a motion to dismiss. paul has moved back to germany and is living with his mother and father. >> it should go without saying nothing in this show suggests that rape is anything but a horrible crime. the sexual assault isn't a serious problem it should go out saying. unfortunately the issue has become so politicized some partisans want to claim unless you back their solution you just don't care you are insensitive, you are not taking the problem seriously, you are trivializing the experience of the victim. if we are going to essentially turn college campuses into criminal court, treat due process as if it were a pesky
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nuisance and punish what some cases consider commonplace sexual relations, we better ask a lot of questions and make sure we fully understand the problems that we are trying to solve. we are told women would never lie about this sort of thing, certainly they should be heard and taken seriously. but women can lie. they can exaggerate. they can miss remember. they can be confused they can misinterpret, they can change their minds. they can seek revenge. and they can feel regret. not because they are women, but because they are human beings. most of us have sisters or daughters who want daughters, we want to make sure they are safe. we also have brothers and we have sons. advocates say we have to think of the victim. we have to do more or the victim and they are absolutely right. we do have to think of the victim. that's why in every case the
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