>> oh. >> that's pretty good. that's it for this special report. still on the welcome to a special edition of hannity. tonight, a dual threat. political correctness and jihad. i'm tucker carlson in tonight for shaen. we'll take a look at how you, the american people, are put in grave danger because some politicians continue to lie about the threat we face from islamic terror abroad. president obama has severely underestimated isis by calling it the jv team in a 2014 interview. he also said the terror group was, quote, contained, just hours before the paris attacks. and just yesterday, the president admitted he was slow to reassure the public amid growing threats to the country. the president said this about

isis. watch. >> it is very difficult for us to detect lone wolf plots or plots involving a husband and wife in this case because despite the incredible vigilance and professionalism of all our law enforcement, homeland security, et cetera, it's not that different from us trying to detect the next mass shooter. you don't always see it. they're not always communicating publicly. if you're not catching what they say publicly, then it becomes a challenge. >> with reaction, senior fellow with the london center for policy research, tony shaffer, colonel david hunt, and bob scales. i want to start with you, the president saying it's difficult to detect these attacks and p preempt them. that sounds like an excuse.

>> let be me clear. this was a policy failure. these terrorists, to include isis and other, are telegraphing all the time via social media, via their own uncoded social media what their intentions are. this couple in san bernardino left nothing in doubt about what the intentions were. it was the dhs policy and before that the state department policy which prohibited, it didn't hint you shouldn't, it prohibited our officers, our intelligence officers, our law enforcement officers looking where they're supposed to. this policy still exists. they can't look at jihadi websites or islamic websites because it may be quote/unquote a violation of policy. >> almost unbelievable. general scales, a pretty remarkable story today from foreign policy magazine in an interview with chuck hagel. he's the third secretary of defense in a row,lia panetta,

bob gates before him, to complain of interference by the white house. he said, quote, meetings in the white house were not effective. we cekept deferring the tough decisions. you get an idea they have no idea what they're doing, and we have another secretary of defense confirming that. >> that's three in a row, tucker. i talked to several senior uniformed officials in the pentagon and they tell me the same thing. there's this buffer between sound military advice and what the president hears. the president turns to his inner circle in the national security council or the white house staff to find out what the situation is and how to respond it, but we have an old saying in the army. it's called ground truth where you strip out the politics and hope, and what you're left with is ground truth. unfortunately, ground truth in this case as it relates to isis, particularly isis in the middle east, never seems to make it up to his level. that's why in his pentagon press

conference last week, he looked so stunned because he just heard the joint chiefs of staff telling the truth, and it wasn't the truth that he had heard from susan rice. >> this has to make uniformed military commanders very nervous. there's the assumption people at the top know what they're there's a plan, they thought this through. when chuck hagel comes out and pulls back the curtain and reveals they don't know what they're doing, where does this leave the guys in armed forces? >> the guilty parties are in uniform and not. since 9/11, we have not been fighting this as a total war. less than 1% of people are in uniform. america has no skin in the game, yet now we have 50% who want us back on the ground in syria. since 9/11, we have not treated this as a total war. the stuff tony is talking about, yes, of course, we have to be much more aggressive with how we use the internet. we have 430 agencies, ten involved in the war. it's never been so in my

lifetime that we had political interference going back to war general scales and i fought. there's nothing new about political interference. the problem is we as a country have not signed up for the fact that we're in a total war. whether you call it fascist islamists or terrorists, we have a country that is not awake to this and is fully willing to allow the american soldier, which i have friends going back on their eighth tour to do all the fighting. >> such a small group who shoulders the whole burden. colonel shaffer, i hate to those theefore these stories out, but this is from the "new york times." he gathers like-minded writers. in his meeting with the columni columnist, mr. obama said he didn't see enough cable television to fully appreciate the anxiety after the terrorist attacks in paris and san bernardino and wants to step up his arguments. they later stripped that line

out of the story, didn't explain why, still hasn't. the point remains the president said i didn't know people were worried because i wasn't watching television. how out of touch was he? >> when you're playing call of duty ten hours a day on your console, it's hard to know what's going on. i'm being facetious. as bob scales just said, he's accurate, he's insulated with those who advise him, susan rice and others who have completely isolated him. he probably does not know what's going on. i think when you get this, and as bob stipulated when he went to the pentagon to be briefed by the new chairman and ash carter, i'm sure it's like, what the heck is going on. this is one of the things where they accurately portray said what he said, and that's why it was censored out. >> you know a lot of people at the pentagon. are they confident that susan rice is a capable civilian leader? >> oh, boy. let me tell you, a friend of mine just last week told me back in your day, you were afraid to speak in front of the media

during vietnam. in my day, we're afraid to speak around the water cooler. because of all the political plants inside the pentagon who keep their ear to the ground, and almost in a -- i don't know, almost like in a stalin esque atmosphere where you're expected to speak and to think according to a certain world view. well, not every person who wears a uniform adheres to that world view. and so they're muzzled, their bosses are muzzled. their ability to send a plan to the president with a plan b is jefrb generated because the white house said gentlemen, if it's boots on the ground, a plan b, it won't happen. you're not even allowed to plan it. >> that's totally shocking. colonel hunt, the next president is going to inherit this military. how long will it take to get it up to strength to fight the war you describe? >> after 14 years of continuous combat, we have the greatest military maybe in our history. this is a fphenomenal military.

it's not a question of numbers. it's a question of not having rules of engagement. general scales just said stalin in the same breath as the pentagon. that's inconceivable. uniformed officers have an obligation, no question, but we have the finest trained soldiers. i just mentioned, eight tours of guys going back on. this is not about the military capability. it's about political will and a nation that is not participating and a total war which is much more complicated than just killing terrorists. we have been doing that for 14 years, bombed iraq for 23. >> right. >> tucker -- >> i'm sorry, i wish we could continue but we're out out time. thanks for joining us, all three of you. >> thank you. >> coming up, a shocking new poll shows 77% of americans don't think the u.s. government will be able to protect them from an attack here in the homeland. later tonight -- >> state department and the technology industry should work

together to develop a unified national strategy to defeat isis in cyberspace. >> she's been in public life since you were in fifth grade. now she's got a plan to protect the country. she says. how does it differ from the republican plan to protect the country? we'll tell you. then, jeh johnson joins a long list of officials who now admit isis can infiltrate the groups of syrian refugees you're paying to bring to the country. why won't the president make the same admission?

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welcome back to the special edition of "hannity." due threat tonight. political correctness and jihad. a shocking new poll shows 77% of americans are not at all confident the u.s. government can protect them from a lone wolf attack. just this week, these headlines, a maryland man was arrested after allegedly taking money from isis operatives overseas when he planned to use to carry out an attack here. in pennsylvania, a teen was busted for providing material support to isis. and yesterday in new york state, a pizza shop owner pled guilty to trying to recruit people to join the islamic state. what is going on? can you connect the dots? here with us, gillian turner, and heritage senior fellow of national security affairs peter brooks. welcome to you both. peter, connect these dots for us. we're looking at what we feared for years, aren't we? >> absolutely. we're in the crosshairs of the islamic state. i'm sure al qaeda as well. we've had in this just in this

year, we've had 13 or 14 terrorist plots or attacks, which makes it the most terrorist plot or attacks intensive year since 9/11. the fbi is investigating more than 900 cases in all 50 states. yeah, we're living in unprecedented times. i understand why the american people feel the way they do. >> i can understand it too. gi i have a lot of confidence in our law enforcement and intelligence community for the moe part. what i'm really worried about is no one in washington seems to think through the appeal of isis would be. why is a pizza shop owner trying to recruit people, why is a teen trying to join isis inwhat's the appeal? i don't have the sense anyone in the white house has any idea or is trying to learn. what is your sense? >> i would say the key here is not finding only a military or diplomatic and political solution, but an idealogical solution. as the president says all the

time, we need to fight the ideology. we need to degrade the ideology. hear right. >> fight it with what? i agree, but with what? with a sense of what america is? he doesn't project that? >> that's what we need. that's, i think, what we're not seeing. one of the things i would counter against the, you know, kind of military hawks who say there will only be a military solution with boots on the ground? that's not true. if you go in tomorrow and wipe out isis, the will be repopulated within a few months. but that's why the ideology comes in. that's how you show people, you have to find a way to convince them isis is not the way of the future. radical islam is not going to make their lives and their family's lives better. >> it's one thing not to know what you're talking about. i know nothing about botany, and i'm not guilty of that. you have the third secretary of defense in a row, chuck hagel,

say today his advice was ignored by the political operatives at the white house. should that worry us? it sounds worrisome to me, really worrisome? >> we should be worried about it considering how well the president's strategy is doing and the fact he won't move off that. he criticizes, dismisses, his critics over everybody who has the strategy isn't working. we have seen from so many people not in his position that this is a stalemate, we're not winning on the ground. look what secretary carter said recently to congress. the problem is the president keeps telling us to be patient. how much pain are we going to have to endure while we're being patient with the president's strategy that doesn't seem to be doing the job? we have seen a doubling in the last 18 months of foreign fighters going to isis. i believe there's many motivations for joining the islamic state, but one of the reasons is they look like a winner. as long as we're losing this battle against them in iraq and

syria and they're moving elsewhere, they're going to be attractive. >> people follow strength, not weakness. dogs do, too, by the way, if you ever try to train one. gi gillian, i have noticed this theme with the president's reaction to acts of terror. his first instinct is to blame americans. you have too many guns, you're isl islamopho islamophobic, you pollute and cause global warming. his real outrage seems to be reserved for his fellow americans. >> i don't know that there's outrage against fellow americans. i take your point. it's a good point. i think part of the problem here is a denial of the power that radical islam is having not just here at home but globally. one of the things he said again today in his last presser of the year which he's been saying a lot is touting the statistic that isis is 40% of the territory they had retaken has been taken back by the anti-isis coalition led by the u.s. while that's an important point, it's important to deny them a

territorial stronghold in iraq, it completely discounts the fact that as of a few weeks ago, they were successfully able to penetrate half a world away the heart of the french capital in western europe. and that's a big problem. >> it is a problem. and peter, so jeh johnson, secretary of homeland security, says today yes, entirely likely, probable, in fact, that terrorists will try to embed among groups of syrian refugees coming into the country. that's such a terrifying prospect. any normal person would say we want to help, but we can't. we have to shut that down because our primary, our moral obligation is to protect american citizens first. why is that not the president's first reaction? >> well, i can't speak for the president, certainly, tucker, but the fact of the matter is we have to look at everything. like i said, we're in a new security environment, an unprecedent unprecedentedly dangerous security environment and dealing with a very determined enemy. they're going to look at recruiting people in place like we have seen this year. they're going to look to target

commercial aviation. they're going to look to try to move people to refugees and other means. i think this is an opportunity for us, unfortunate opportunity, that we have to review everything we thought we were doing correctly. because we're dealing with a very dangerous enemy in the islamic state. >> you must not live in washington. never rethink your approach. that would be wrong. thank you both for joining us. appreciate it. coming up next on the program -- >> state department and the technologyist industry should w together to develop a unified national strategy to defeat isis in cyberspace. >> that was hillary clinton running for president. she went on to call her republican opponents bigots, but she refused to call the enemy what it really is. islamic. and later tonight -- >> we do have to be concerned about the possibility that a terrorist organization may seek to exploit our refugee process.

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department, and the technology industry should work together to develop a unified national strategy to defeat isis in cyberspace. we should insist on comprehensive background checks and close loopholes that allow potential terrorists to buy weapons online or at gun shows, and i think it's time to restore the ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. >> idiotic. meanwhile, her opponents took a markedly different tone during the debate on tuesday night. >> first of all, we need to destroy isis in the caliphate. that should be our objective. the refugee issue will be solved if we destroy isis there, which means we need a no-fly zone. safe zones there for refugees and to build a military force. >> i'm asking congress which represents the people who declare war on isis. so that we can begin the process

of excising that cancer and begin the healing process and bring peace, prosperity, and safety back to america. >> we should deal with this threat of radical islamists. this is the most sophisticated terrorists group who has threatened america. they're actively recruiting americans. >> first and foremost, we need to go and destroy isis. and we need to do this with our arab friends and our friends in europe. when i see they have a climate conference over in paris, they should have been talking about destroying isis because they're involved in virtually every country across this world. >> you would carpet bomb where isis is, not a city, but the location of the troops. you use air power, direct it, and have embedded forces to direct the air force, but the object isn't to level the city. the object is to kill the isis terrorists. >> we have to get rid of isis first. after we get rid of isis, we'll

start thinking about it, but we can't be fighting assad, and when you're fighting assad, you're fighting russia, you're fighting a lot of different groups. we can't be fighting everybody at one time. >> joining us now with reaction to all this from the washington times, charlie hurt, doug schoen, and angela mcglowan. you had a lot of time to think about this. what she's come up with is close the gun show loophole. that's the strategy? >> if you go back and listen to what she said in the speech, just about every single thing she mentioned at least touched on in some way the state department. if only we had a secretary of state who would have taken this on and taken it seriously before -- wait, who was the secretary of state before john kerry? oh, wait a minute. it was hillary clinton. why didn't she do this then? why is she only now discovering this? if you look back at san bernardino attack, of course,

none of that would have happened if the visa program didn't have this gaping, glaring loophole that allowed this lady to get in here in the first place and radicalize. >> fair point. doug, how many terrorists have bought automatic or semiautomatic weapon s at gun shows and used them? oh, zero. >> i haven't opened my mouth. we need to do both. we have to defeat isis. we have to make sure the visa program is tightened up. we have to do cybersecurity so that these kind of horrific tragedies don't happen. it's not either/or. it's all steps. >> why throw that in there? that's something she's been pushing. >> very simple. >> this weapons ban has nothing to do with this. this is a joke. that's not what she said. she said we need to go back -- >> she did say it. >> there's no evidence. >> and i love this -- i love your passion here, but bottom line is this, you have

terrorists add war. we don't know what we're doing. hillary clinton, are we going to fight the war in the virtual cyber world. the bottom line is terrorists, they need tools of war. and tucker, that's guns, ammunition, and bombs. now listen, in paris, they have a no-gun law. they have a no-gun law. >> how did that work? >> three terrorist attacks, and one was actually saved by americans. >> you know this, of course you know the facts. i want to ask you the question. why, when there's zero evidence that gun control measures in any country have prevented terror attacks is that the first thing that politicians on the left in this country go to? >> because it's a good, passionate argument. liberals when they have failed policy, what do they do? they detract. they deflect. that's what she's doing. >> can i give you an answer without you bashing me? >> look, i'm just -- i just want facts. >> here's the fact. there's a democratic primary coming up in february, in iowa

and new hampshire. hillary clinton has a point of distinction on gun control with bernie sanders. trust me, tucker. once we're past that, you will see her move to the right, and you were right. defeating terror is not gun control. >> that's an honest answer, but it's appalling in what it reveals. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm not attacking you. i think you're right. she's spooked by bernie sanders, overreacting and pandering to the hard left. she's supposed to protect the country from isis. >> that is the answer to this almost unbelievably ludicrous emphasis on climate change when the topic of isis comes up. no serious person thinks the paris accord on climate change is going to protect us from isis. but it makes nine donors, laurie david, and the rest, happy, so they say it. isn't that's what's going on? >> the gun control gambit is a glittery object. look over there, let's change the subject, if you ask me.

it shows a lack of seriousness about either terrorism or tackling gun crimes. but what i find most offensive about it, of course, is the fact that what happens after san bernardino. what do americans do? they go line up at gun stores and buy the very guns these people want to ban. when the message that we get from this is, the government isn't protecting us, so we're going to have to protect our families, protect our neighbors and do it ourselves. so this argument in the aftermath of these things to say you can't do that is just insulting on top of everything else. >> of course. i have never clung to my guns more. hillary clinton went on to say that the republicans she opposes are bigots. she described them as bishgots the speech. is that helpful to say that anyone who disagrees with you on visas or immigration ref uyes is a bigot? >> can you give me a couple seconds? we need to do this together, despite the partisan rhetoric. when they come after us, they're

not going to ask party affiliation or ideology. she should talk about embedded more forces, more bombing as part of a comprehensive strategy that includes cybersecurity. i hope she does it. she needs to do it. she also has to distance herself from obama whose statements today were unacceptable. >> let me ask you, you have concerns about the visa program, about refugees. does it make you a bigot? >> no, i'm not a bigot. >> do you take that personal? hillary clinton dismisses her opponents -- >> being a black republican, i have been called many things. the bottom line is this. we need a commander in chief that will protect our homeland, whether we're called bigots, we're all americans. at the end of the day, the terrorists want to take us out. >> that's right. >> amen. on that note, we end. thank you all for joining us. charlie in washington, thanks. up next on this special edition of the "hannity" program -- >> we do have to be concerned about the possibility that a

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you have to be concerned about the possibility that a terrorist organization may seek to exploit our refugee resettlement process. that is true in this country. that's true of every other country that accepts refugees. >> yeah, because it just happened in france the other day. that was homeland security secretary jeh johnson telling you what you already knew,

warning terrorists could be trying to infiltrate our refugee resettlement program, the one you're paying for. brian babin doesn't think the u.s. should be paying for that due to the concerns. he joins us with his son leif, author of extreme ownership. thanks both for being here. first to you, congressman. i think if you look at the polling on the subject, most americans are open-hearted decent people who welcome foreigners in trouble, but i don't think many at all support moving people from the syrian battlefield to this country. can we stop this? >> we're trying. i have been trying to do this since i dropped a bill back in july called the resettlement accountability and national security act which would suspend this program. unfortunately, we couldn't get it through this latest bill, this omnibus bill, but i'm not giving up. this is an overwhelmingly important aspect and issue today

in the american people are with us. and they don't want jihad. they don't want to open doors and opportunity for jihad and isis to come in and set up bases of operation legally, and at taxpayer expense right here in america and have a repeat of san bernardino and paris and some of the other attacks that we've seen. so we're going to continue this fight, and we will keep going with every fiber in our body to continue to try this. >> leif, does it bother you saz someone who served his country with gun in hand in a uniform to hear hillary clinton describe anyone with your father's point of view as a bigot? >> it certainly does. it's incredibly naive and foolish to think the terrorists aren't going to be exploiting this program. i applaud my dad and his courage to stand up and lead this fight to put a stop to this ridiculous program. >> the demagoguery makes it almost impossible to be honest about it. there's nothing bigoted about saying what your dad just said, what you said, what i think,

what i think the overwhelming majority of americans think. we want to help, but this is dangerous. you're a bigot for saying this now? >> what's messed up, the most difficult thing is hillary clinton as secretary of state is to blame. president obama is to blame for this problem. and we could have easily solved this problem a year ago if we had leadership that allowed the u.s. military to destroy isis where they are in iraq and syria and we wouldn't have this refugee problem. >> one of my ongoing frustrations with washington is nobody learns from anything. every week, there's a story about minneapolis as a hotbed for home grown terrorism. why? because we resettled a lot of refugees there. is anyone in washington thinking through what we can do with future waves of refugees to make sure they don't wind up like the ones in minneapolis? >> yes, there is. brian babin. i was a voice in the wilderness for months. then after the attack in paris and san bernardino, all of a sudden, everybody is talking about it.

political correctness is getting people killed. and we have got to stop the politically correct way of thinking inside the beltway up here in washington. and instead of plussing up our refugee program which this omnibus spending package does by $100 million, we need to cut this thing out. we need to suspend it. we need to stop worrying about shutting the government down. who's going to be blamed for that. because overwhelmingly, americans want to stop this refugee program. they know it's dangerous. we have seen the results of it. and we don't want a repeat of it. look at western europe, where we have no-go we've got to stop this. >> of course, leif, have you noticed that the people in favor of this, almost all of them have 24-hour armed body guards paid for at public expense. which is to say they will never have to personally deal with the consequences of the programs they support? >> that's true, and the same

people want to take our guns away. >> the ones with their own armed body guards who are armed. >> what bothers me most is we have extraordinary u.s. troops that are serving overseas, doing their best to try to take on this threat and eliminate the problem and not just the symptom. we have to take the reins off them and allow them to do their jobs and take the fight to isis and destroy them. >> if i'm in the u.s. military and sleeping outside with a gun in my hand in the middle east, i'm really hoping that the people giving the orders know what they're doing, are sincere, knowledgeable, have america's interest at heart. how worried would you be if you were still over there with the leadership we have now? >> well, it's incredibly frustrating. our troops understand this is an evil enemy. this radical islamic jihadi enemy we face is an evil an enemy as the u.s. military has ever faced in our long history and we have to do something about it. no matter who's in charge, they're going to do what they can. >> that's such a great attitude.

finally, congressman, you have made, i think, a series of comments and points you're clearly not crazy. you seem to be someone who wants to protect the country. how many of your fellow republicans in the house would you say agree with you? >> i had 75 of my colleagues sign on to my bill. we need far more than that, of course. >> where are the rest of them? why in the world wouldn't they support this? do you have any idea? >> you know, i don't know what it's going to take for folks to wake up. i mean, as leif just said, what is it going to take for the president to wake up? you know, the danger is real. it is a national crisis right now. our fbi director, as you just played a while ago, jeh johnson, secretary of homeland security, we're being warned. these guys work for the president. and we've just got to understand that the american people are afraid. they're apprehensive, they're out arming themselves because

they know that things can happen real fast right here in our own country. they will and have. and i will say this. we saw the bad thing that happened in san bernardino. but when the jihadis attacked in texas, we had some armed people there, and it didn't turn out so well for them. so if the authorities can't be there, then we have to be vigilant and instead of disarming us, this administration needs to be certain that our second amendment rights are happening, and that we're armed ourselves. >> i think we're all going to be living in texas by the end. thanks for joining us. father and son, you guys should have a special. appreciate it. coming up next, you'll hear from a former jihadi sounding the alarm about radical islam. it's an interview you have to see. that and more as this special edition of "hannity" continues. constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes

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welcome back to this special edition of "hannity." dual threat, political correctness and jihad. as young muslim doctor in egypt, he turned to islam, but after witnessing first-hand the horrors of it, he turned his life around. joining me now is the author of inside jihad, how radical islam

works, why it should terrify us, and how to defeat it, dr. tawfik ham hamid. boil it down for us. we keep reading stories here in the u.s. of young people, american citizens or naturalized, but full participants in american society, joining isis or supporting it materialally. what is the appeal? >> the appeal for them is the desire to serve their religion and serve god. this desire is unfortunately directed in the wrong path. it's like if you have nuclear energy, for example, you can destroy a city with it. the same here, you have energy, and when that traditional and mainstream religious teaching teaches values that produce hatred and violence, you expect this outcome at the end for people who are very dedicated in this path. >> you would. you're describing clearly a religious impulse. they're not mad about global

warming, poverty or oppression. they're trying to serve god. it seems odd when you say it out loud. why do you think our leaders here, our president among them, refuse to acknowledge that? >> they do not want to confront the reality that to confront the religious teaching. let me ask everyone. is poverty like education are the cause of the problem. why these factors do not affect the young muslims? why are young muslims more prone to these factors? we need to ask ourselves about the concept that we thought we have to be believe in them, like tolerance. many people think the u.s. became a beacon for liberty and democracy because of tolerance. the fact is the opposite. the u.s. was intolerant it became a beacon for democracy.

had the u.s. been tolerant to slavery, it would exist today. because they were intolerant, then, we became a beacon for democracy. we need to set the definition to be able to take corrective decisions i don't think senior leadership is able to define the problem. >> much less defend american values against it buzz they don't understand what american values are. freedom of expression and they're willing to toss it out of the window. how do you fight against it, though? if this is a religious impulse, people think they're serving god, how do you convince them they're not? >> you have three levels of intervention here, the third level when someone is militant. you immediate to deal with them at a security level or you destroy them. militants. by using force. you have some other groups that are radical groups who are

tendency to become terrorists. these people need psychological operations to deter them from doing the act of evil or terrorism. because for the terrorist or jihadist, it is a win, win, win, situation. if they died on earth, they will go to paradise, they have 52 virgins. if they conquer the area, they'll receive sharia law and will be victorious. so for them, it is win, win situation and we need a strong did he terrence to prevent these radicals from continuing the path of terror, also, at the level of normal individuals, we need to work through religious reform mags, reinterpretation of the religious sect, plus, rechanging the process that breeds radicalism and hatred

that you you can modify using psychological tests that can help prevent this phenomenon. >> do you think the american sect is doing enough to encourage young americans in this ount tri not to follow that path? >> of course not. it means you come to radical teaching and reinterpret it and have clarity about certain principles like stoning women to death, like declaring jihad and taking their women as war prisoners. if there is no clear stand against this principle, then, we're in trouble. i don't see the religious leaders in the muslim world taking a clear stand.

>> all through the middle east the majority of believe apostates should be killed and you never heard that said outloud. >> this is the core of the problem, for you underestimate human life for an apostit, then, you underestimate human life humanwide. >> coming up more "hannity" right after the break. ♪ ♪ deck the halls with barks from rudy ♪ (rudy barks) well, it's more like "fa la la la la la la la la" but you're in the same vein. say happy holidays with milk-bone!

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hi, everyone, and good morning. today is saturday, the 19th of december, 2015. i'm anna kooiman. a brand new fox news alert, since the republican debate who is up, who is down. plus tonight the democrats take the stage but will anyone be watching? >> and then an awful story. killed four people in a drunk driving accident but he skipped jail time because his parents spoiled him. that's what happened. he is the afliewn enzoo affluenza teen. this morning they are on the run. >> one mother gets a public school to cancel his annual trip to