men serving, can basically change the tone of washington. to our panel, thank you. happy new year. happy new year to all of you. we'll see you next year. \s on the buzz meter this sunday, a war of words heating up between hillary clinton and donald trump. the media can't get enough. the focus shifts from hill re's unsubstantiated debate charge from trump over isis to the donnell's use of a crude term against hillary and his slam against her bathroom habits. >> where did hillary go? they had to start the debate without her, phase 2. why? i -- i know where she went. it's disgusting, i don't want to talk about it. no, it's too disgusting. >> with donald trump, my goodness, if there's a subtext, do you need a subtext? due need to know the hidden meaning behind what is already

offensive on his face? people are hyper sensitive to everything. i thought it was a funny comment. i don't think it makes him sexist. >> are the pundits overreacting? with trump's latest attack on bill clinton, will they focus on the past misconducts? a really mean cartoon depicting ted cruz's children at monkey. >> making fun of my girls, that will do it. >> should the newspaper apologize? plus "new york times" and other news outlets diving into virtual reality, but if the story is only virtually real, is it real journalism? i'm howard kurtz, this is "mediabuzz." it was during a democratic debate last weekend that hillary clinton came out swinging against donald trump. >> he is becoming isis's best

recruiter. they are going to people showing videos of donald trump insulting islam and muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists. >> but there's no evidence of any such video. trump pushed back hard and many journalists said clinton was wrong. >> i will demand an apology from hillary. she should apologize. she lies about e-mails. she lies about whitewater. she lies about everything. >> i was flabbergasted to her hillary clinton make up that claim about recruiting muslims to attack the united states with trump or whatever. >> everyone understands what hillary clinton said might not be true right now at this moment, but it is likely to become true. >> with you that whole controversy god wiped out by trump use using in yiddish

sxrens. >> she was favored to win and she got schlonged. >> i tell you, i sort of gasp when you hear you making bathroom jokes about hillary clinton or anyone. >> well, i think i'm presidential. i think i have done presidential work. >> joining us to analyze this strange turn, jonah gold burg editor at large and a fox news contributor. and joe trippi, a fox news contributor. >> how is it, talking about terrorism and the economy that we all get consumed by a debate by this yiddish verb -- term that i didn't know was a verb. >> i have developed a callus about a lot of that stuff that

trump does, but i think that -- because it's ratings driven, fun, easy, doesn't require a lot of explanations and the media are suckers for it. >> catnip. he says this is a yiddish term that meanly means beaten badly, though it does have another meaning. >> it's sometimes used in an alternative form, but there is an argument to be made he did mean it, and no one is really sure. the fact is really trump can say just about anything. he can say just about anything in this campaign and it's a-okay. i just question how many judgment will fall upon him in the general election when he's dealing with another group of voters. in the primary season, he can get away with it. >> hillary clinton tweeting it's not the first time he's demonstrated a penchant for

sexism. the humiliation, this degrating language inflicts on all women. the term isn't that bad. wile all this war on women joke? >> this helps the hillary camp. to get in a fight with donald trump in the democratic primary, you have to talk about catnip for the media, it works the more we make out of it, the better it is for hillary clinton? >> absolutely. it benefits both trump and her. look, trump offends. the more media gets offended by it, the more anybody who is the person who got hit by him is offended by. the more people offended by the whole political process in this country who is for him dig in harder and cheer him on. this is like aself reinforcing kabuki game between the press, trump and his opponent. it works.

>> so i'm looking at where this goes next. i've heard a couple pundits say and now trump himself talking about bill clinton, trump tweeting, for example -- letting her husband out for campaign. he's discovered a penchant for sexism, so inappropriate, and then some of the troubles of his presidency. >> i think that's absolutely fair game. first of all, hillary clinton has been of late tweeting, issues statements about how victims should -- alleged victims of sex crimes should always be believed. that standard creates certain problems for bill clintening. >> what about that he's not running for president -- >> i don't know that that's obvious, either, but -- you can't look -- she is running in large part on her legacy of who her husband was.

she constantly talking about what they did in the white house. she would never have been a senator had she not been first lady. she talks about the clinton record, the obama record, she just recently said she's not going to be called hillary rodham clinton anymore. >> as a journalist sick question, how is it hillary's fault that her husband messed around, as we know he did repeatedly in the past and while in the white house? >> i think voters will judge her as someone who tolerated it, and as someone who may have in some cases defended it. i think that's her real problem. this is talk and evidence that she did defend him -- >> of course she did. her version was she was deceived, that she did not know. you say she tolerated it. >> there were a lot of things happening where you can claim ignorance for only so long. for the media to just go after

trump as sexist is superficial. you have to look at him as a ceo, what he's been doing his whole life. you have to wait until the seventh paragraph in the story before they finally say many people who worked for him said he was ahead of his time in promoting women. that's where you get into the substance of sexism. this whole thing of whether bill clinton is fair game is how trump first deplex aflects and it. these are tweets. >> when he tweets, it makes news, and he knows that. >> that's the -- one of the big differences of this cycle. he's actually can't to create media firestorm media controversy with a simple 140 characters and he doesn't even use them all. >> i'll just make the obvious points that all of the

candidates are on twitter, but most don't use it as a provocative tool the way trump has. >> but they -- trump benefits or is hurt by -- pick your standard, by a standard that we don't apply to a lot of other politicians who say absolutely ridiculous things. joe biden says insane and ridiculous things. he does it, and every time he says something crazy, that's joe, that's maybe a half hour story. >> so you're saying the media -- i know you're not a huge trump fan. >> i'm not, but you're saying the media is too hard on him. >> i'm saying they're too eager to change her game. he gets to change the subject every time he's in and that plays to his advantage. >> all politicians tries to change the subject. >> but if bernie sanders could delivered 11 million viewers every time he said controversial, there will be

plenty of people on media. this whole debate completely wiped out some critical coverage of hillary clinton in that deba debate. that's just not true. >> he literally stepped on his own story. she should have stopped at his words are going to be used. but he takes everybody's gaze off of that and makes it about something else. >> susan, this was a situation where she did not correct the record, kind of like taking a page from the trump playbook and i think the media let her get away with that.

>> one controversy a week, even if this cover about the yiddish language didn't come along, we would have been to another controversy. >> on twitter it's one controversy an hour. fox business debate january 14th. you can be in the top six nationally in the polls, top five in iowa or top five in new hampshire. that may exclude a lot of mime. rand paul says he won't show up for any undercard a campaign. if you tell people with three weeks to go, you destroy a campaign. this isn't the job of media to pick who wins. to have the shot to do that three weeks before the election, i think rand paul is wrong.

>> should the networks be winnowing the field at this point? >> i'm torn. i would have rather had a criteria like this six, eight months ago. there is. there is doing it by where the -- >> smaller field, more substance. that's what we need to see with these candidates. less one-line zingers. >> no question it would be a better debate with fewer people, but there's often one languishing that breaks out. including state polls, let me get a brea in here. e-mail us or facebook. when we come back, ted cruz says the liberal media are

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>> not much ticks me off, messing with my kids will do it. leave the kids alone. they took that cartoon down within hours, and no apology from the paper. >> i also node that president obama when he was right-handing used his two daughters in a christmas ad. it's pretty common, for telling us to say since he used it -- and therefore i can portray them as monkeys, that doesn't sit well. also what bothers me is there was no apology from the post. that's kind of shoddy journalism. >> it's hard to look at everything in advantage. these girl of 7 appeared 5 years old, but joe liberal media are

trying to avoid me and my family. >> he 'trying to have it both ways. first the post should have apologized, but politicians have their kids -- very few use them as a pair parody, in there's nothing new about that anymore, sets, but he is trying to have this both ways, creating an uproared to get more money. >> rick tyler told me yes, we're raising money off this, but it doesn't begin to make up for the damage. so how d. it seems to me a pretty wise consensus here. this was a bad things for "the washington post" to do. >> i think almost everybody agrees on that.

i think one of the things -- what enrages more people is the double standard the hue and cry -- nonetheless would have been overwhelming. there's just -- to this day if you criticize chelsea clinton even though she's 35 years old and on the campaign trail, it still seems out of bounds. >> one, making fun of the kids in itself was bad, but then portraying them as monkeys is just bad. they shouldn't have done it. they should have apologized for it. >> we have an example, the thanksgiving pardon ser moyer, a congressional aide criticized sasha and malia over their dress, saying they should have shown more class, there was a huge uproar and the woman lost her job. it seems like the media reaction has been muted compared to that. >> it has, and partly it was the cruz ad, because it was a

parody, but perhaps we're reaching a new era, where the off-limits things are no longer off-limits. i have seen a few chelsea cartoons, so i think we're creeping in. thank you for dropping by this sunday. up next ben carson does some interviews, backs off and then blames the press. the latest person to land a coveted interview with hillary clinton.

. ben carson has charged again and again that the media unfairly treat him. are you saying organizations like politico, cnn, "wall street journal" deliberately trying

to damage you? >> yes. to put it simply. >> why? >> because when you deliberately lie and you put in a out as a story, or you do shabby investigation and say we have investigated and we can't find anything, i mean, is that an acceptable standard? >> this week carson got into a media mess of his own making. it's no secret he's been sinking in the polls. on wednesday morning he invited worst reporter to his hypocarson saying, i'm looking at every aspect of the campaign, everything is on the table. every job is on the table. he wouldn't even say he planned to keep the campaign manager, carson made similar comments to the associated press. in fact his press secretary declaring dr. carson is back in

charge, racing the often question of who had been in charge before that. armstrong williams, who appears at odds with the campaign manager told the post to take what the candidate said seriously. after a lot of back and forth he said he -- he blamed "the washington post" in an interradio cnn's don lemon. >> clearly there some concern, because you todd "the washington post" today that you were shanking up your campaign. >> i think "the washington post" quite frankly had their story already written before they talked to me, and they were convinced that i was going to fire everybody, and that was absolutely not true. >> it seems an imminent staff shake-up. and -- the press sometimes has been unfair to dr. carson, but

it makes little sense to complain when the source of the story is your own on the record interview. coming up, how did the media establishment so badly blow it again and again on donald trump's candidacy. later is virtual reality of future of journalism or a distorted mirror? red 97! set! red 97! did you say 97? yes. you know, that reminds me of geico's 97% customer satisfaction rating. 97%? helped by geico's fast and friendly claims service. huh... oh yeah, baby. geico's as fast and friendly as it gets. woo! geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.

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republicans first feeded a candidate in 1856, and makes it look silly. >> "the 2k5i8ly news" puts this picture -- crown runs for business. >> it's doing no business whatsoever. they do that for circulation. to 'says the media's performance, i sat down with two of my favorite commentators. >> mercedes schlapp, firmer aide to george bush, and -- all those months in which the media dismissed and denied and mocked and minimized donald trump's candidates, was this one of the worst media misjudgments every? >> absolutely. i think the media needs to get out of the prediction game. for months after months, they said this donald trump he's surging in the summer, but in the fall, that's it, he's going down. back in september you would

start seeing these stories. politico had an article saying the surge is ending. well, that's not happening. again they were just stick to basic reporting. >> whether you like trump or don't like trump. >> did it show the media to be kind of out of touch? >> i think the media has definitely underestimated the degree of anger and fear in the country, and that's exactly what he's channeling. he's done a brilliant job. the wackier he gets, and the more outrageous, the media would say, this is the moment, and the voters say, no, we love it. bring more. >> why did the media underestimate the degree of ainge are, anxiety and disgust with the political establishment? >> well, i think a lot of the media doesn't quite understand the base that he's speaking to, in terms of their fears and just how hard life has been for a lot of these people, or the kind of

working-class demographics that know that life is never going to be the same for them again, donald trump is speaking to them in a way -- >> and donald trump has changed the model for the media and campaigning in general, for the most part, a candidate, for example works through their spokespeople. for example, they have offices where you have to call the multiple times to even try to talk to a surrogate. that's not what donald trump does. he picks up a phone, calls a reporter, and he's ability to drive the conversation. that has been a 340dle that has changes. also some that traditional campaigns need to revisit. >> one article was how his extend in reality tv turned him into the perfect candidate. say outrageous things, don't hedge your bets, just straight shooting and being out there as much as possible, made him the

perfect candidate this time around. >> when ben carson was hot, i think most journalists couldn't understand his appeal, either. it really comes back to the disgust with the political establishment and the disgust with the media establishment. people think those are so intertwined that we are just in this bubble and didn't understand what a lot of real americans think whether vs herman cain, michele bachmann, and they were like why are they personalities rising up? when mitt romney became the candidate, it was like, okay, we have an establishment person. so with this narrative of the outsider being so strong, 9 voters being so angry tess establishment, so angry at the media, they decide, guess what? we're not going to listen to the mainstream media. we're going to go with this one

guy, this is the guy that's speaking for us. >> in every campaign the press underestimates a candidate that surges or thinking someone will run away with it. i still think it's something deeper. that's why i give a real failing grade. when you had trump coming up, whether it's the comments about mexican immigrants or muslims, or john mccain, megyn kelly, whatever. many people in the press would say aha, this is it, and he would still go up in the polls. >> what people like is he's mocking the powerful people who they feel look down on them or rigged the game and he gets to play above the game. they love it when he starts gigging the usual political rules don't apply to him and political people. he doesn't have to pay attention to. he talks about how he's donated

money to all these people so he knows they're corrupt. people are eating it up. >> the voters don't want to be told by the media pun duties what to think, who to choose, and that's why there's such an appeal at this point for a donald trump. >> i don't think we're telling them what to think. people in the pin say i like this person -- >> but you have to argue, howie, the majority of the media pundits, they say how can trump not be falling? he keeps saying these outrageous statements and it's not reflected in the numbers. i think it's one of the examples of why trump does go after these media pundit types. about but with that being said, he goes after them and they say, wait a second, i don't know if i want to listen to the media pundits. it's almost a conflict that donald trump is creating.

it's a constant war. looking back at the democratic campaign, hillary clinton has had testy relations with the press. this time was supposed to be different. a lot of it relate to the e-mail scandal. why do so many people believe it's in the tank for her. >> there's always an assumption there's a liberal media bias, but you are correct, whatever ideological rules are ever at play, the press loves to jump on the clintons. anything they do becomes big news and gets fine-toothed combed, and she didn't like the press. she never will be one of those john mccain let's get on the bud and ride the bus together. >> in fact there was a couple months whether she gave no media interviews.

the clinton foundation as well, but eventually that story started to run out of gas, because there were no new revelation, and then the refrain became we're giving hillary clinton a pass except she not in a very competitive race. >> that's true. i think the clintons have their own political reality show. >> everyone has one. >> exactly. but they did have many of coverage on the e-mails, on benghazi. it's just knolls as interesting as following the gop -- i don't want to call it a circus -- a party. >> it's a horse race. a cage match. >> they thought bernie sanders, there was a feel the berne, we're there, but hillary clinton has this nomination, and it's -- it's a done story. >> short answer from me to you. to what extent of media fact

checkers increasingly seen as partisan or pushing an aagenda and what they say doesn't matter? >> i think all the media is viewed with suspicion in these areas, and i think people can dismiss whatever they don't like. >> i take politi-fact and they do the truth or false, and 32 true comments to hillary clinton. how many to donald trump? zero. if they could find that with you true comment, i would call that biased. >> so you think they are partisaned? >> yes. find out 29 statements on each side. >> thanks very much for joining us. next on "mediabuzz," from presidential debate moderator to the bill cosby debacle. we'll look at some of our top interviews this year. and who needs journalist when you have jerry seinfeld driving to the white house.

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. time now for some of our most noteworthy interviews. the first fox news debate was big, drawing the largest cable audience in cable history. i sat done with bret and megyn. >> when you asked jeb bush about those who died in your brother's war, when you asked donald trump

about nasty comments he made about women on twitter about their looks -- when you asked ben carson about his inexperience, did you work about blowback? >> no, we had anticipated that some of the audience might boo us during the middle of our questions. that was okay. they can boo us, and some people are booing us now on twitter, but that's all part of it. i think people feel very passionately about their candidates. i completely understand that, but my job is not to feel passionately. my job is to go out and ask probing questions that are hopefully smart and helple people learn something about this person, and in this context he weaknesses. >> with the question about would anybody rule out a third-party bid, clearly aimed at donald trump, who thought it was unfair, he was being started. why was he being started. >> to be honest it was a question that hovered away this debate, all of this talk about

an independent run if he doesn't get the nod, and frankly he didn't know who was going to raise their hand or not. i thought that either -- i was more prepared to have no one raise their hand and say, mr. trump, just to be clear, you have raised the prospect in recent weeks of an independent run. are you saying you're making this pledge. one of the biggest stories was the downfall of bill cosby, as accidendozens of women came . we sat down with one of them. what happened when you first told people about that? >> i told my agent. she did nothing about it. no one believed me at all. in fact, venchsually i even went to an attorney and he laughed my right out of hi office. >> wow. what do you think about the rest of the media? why do you think it took so long?

>>. >> i was threat sboond silence. and the people i did tell does nothing to help me. stepping down from "face the nation quest after half a century. i asked hem to reflect on president obama and the press. >> many of people think the three media networks are two biased, too liberal. do you think they gave barack obama an easy ride? >> well, i think the whole political world was struck by this fella who sort of came out of nowhere with this very unusual name. when he won out in iowa, i think people sat up and took notice. >> but isn't it the job of journalists to be skeptical of even a young phenom? >> it is. it is. maybe we were not skeptical

enough. it was a campaign -- >> bob woodward may be the most famous advocate of long-form investigation, but -- you want we are going to find out my newspaper, your network, all the news organ will do a 20,000 worried biography of every stage of her life. it truck me as an old-fashioned observation. what seems to drive the news cycle, the quick hits, pithy tweets, viral video. >> but if you find something that is new and explains who these people are, that will drive the news cycle. people will read it, or maybe they won't read all 30,000 words, as frequently happens, but they will guess the essence, because it will become part of the discuss. how would you cover donald trump, who not only seems to be a lot of attacks in the media, about you that criticism

from the media in many ways seems to make him strong i, but if i were doing trump, i would do 50,000 words and do each deal and look at how did he get his money. i hope woodward is right about in-depth journalism. after the break, eve "new york times" ombudsman is questioning the boundaries. our digital download returns in a moment.

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virtual reality business. >> somebo>> if you're enhancing reality, is that journalism? we explored that question here in washington. shane in, welcome. we're going plunge into the world of virtual reality, check this out. they impressive. this is my "new york times." you can try it if you'd like. >> i would like to try it. >> it is a google cardboard thing. you put your phone in here and you can see stories in virtual reality. this is a new form of storytelling as they say. are you excite birthday this? is this really a future avenue for journalism? >> i am excited about virtual reality. whether that is games right now

is a major one to focus on, telling a news story is a completely new frontier. >> feels like a gimmick to me. >> this does scream gimmick. but i think what -- specifically the "times" are trying to show they're aware of new technologies out there. when we were talking earlier, i think they're trying to figure out a new way to exude empathy that their leaders and dog that by creating some news stories in virtual reality. i think -- >> empathy. i think they're trying to reach 20-year-olds who don't like to read newspapers. >> that could also be the case. but i would argue people aren't probably subscribing to the "new york times" when they're 20. i think it's a cool technology. i wonder and wanted your opinion about the ethics of creating a news story and creating a totally immersive experience

about a story from scratch. >> it didn't initially bother me at all. it seemed like just as everybody now uses phones to create video, but then i read a letter to the "times" from former managing editor robert kaiser that this seems like in his opinion it will be based on tricks and deceptions like photographers and cameramen and isn't that tantamount to faking a scene. i thought maybe he has a point. >> and he very well might. what they're doing to create these scenes is trying to get different angles and one interesting part i think is how they're -- what they're going to use to re-create it. is it police reports? witness statements? is there a disclosure at the beginning saying this is based off outside witness statements. how do you tell the viewer this

may not be be what actually happened. >> at what point do you move from be being a journalist to being a steven spielberg. >> the photographer is augmenting his own reality. look, people know they're getting a staged event. >> the cost of producing these is insane. tens you thousands of dollars, $50,000 for the short clips. that will be cost prohibitive in the beginning. that is another question. how do you decide which stories to spend $50,000 to bring to an audience. i don't know that answer either. >> it is probably for now a bit of a gimmick. we're part, we're hip, part of the "times." we are taking a stab at it. >> you sound ready for this brave new world. >> i don't know. >> do it in the privacy of your own home. thank you. >> thank you.

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comedians in cars getting coffee of you have to have something you're looking forward to. >> what are you looking forward to right now? >> getting the hell out of this car. >> yes, the president will be in one of those cars with jerry sign field, though they'll never leave the white house grounds. we all remember the moments when president obama spoke to glow zell green previously famous for taking a bath in fruit loops and milk. >> i have two lipsticks. one for your first wife. >> oh, do you know something i don't? >> aglow zell just make a video with hillary clinton. >> i'm excited and nervous. i can't wait to meet our next and first fe pale president. >> clearly she's ready to give

hillary a warm bath. that's it for this edition. hope you all had a great , enjo weekend. check out our facebook page. we'll be back here live next sunday with the latest buzz. we start with a fox news alert. it's been a horrible and deadly weekend due toe the weather. the death rising in texas after waves of storms tore through the state leaving behind scenes of destruction like this one. it's been happening the last couple of days across the south and southwest. this is america's news headquarters. i'm eric shawn. arthel neville is off. at least 11 people have been killed so far overnight after officials said possibly as many as 11 tornadoes touched keown in tex texas. >> all you could see was transformers exploding. it was pitch black. awe the power was out. that's when it all happened. >> one of the most