be able to slime your way to the white house. he's referring to a ads that are done on your behalf. one common core liberal loveing and obama president is enough. do you want to apologize to the governor? >> we have a serious problem in this country. we have a president of the united states that is undermining the country's security and expanding. >> that's not my question. >> i will answer your question, neal. this president is undermining our military and standing in the world. i like chris christie, but we can't afford to have a president of the united states that supports common core. we can't afford a president of the united states that supports gun control. the president is less interested in follow-upping the military than -- he's more interested in

funding planned parent hood. chris christie wrote a check to planned parent hood. our next period president has to uncodo what barak bum . the damage to america is extraordinary. if we don't get the election right, there is it no turning back for america. we'll be the first generation of americans that love our children worse off. i like everybody on the stage. no one is a socialist or under fbi investigation. >> is he a liberal. >> unfortunately governor christie endorsed many of the ideas that president obama supports. whether it is it gun control or sonya sotto mayer. our next president can't be some one who supports that position. >> i stood on the stage when

marco rather indignantly told governor bush. someone told you that because we are running for the same office that criticizing me to office. it appears that the same someone is whispering to marco, too. you have to own this stuff. so let the facts straight. i never supported sonya sotto mayer and never wrote a check to planned parent hood. i have vetoed a 50 caliber rifle ban and veto the reduction this clip side. and pardoned six out of state folks who came to our state and arrested for owning a gun legally in another state and they never faced xharj charges. common core was eliminated in new jersey. this is it the difference between a governor and septemberor. a senator gets to talk and talk and talk and no one can keep up

with what you are saying. and when you are a governor, you are held accountable for everything you do. people in new jersey have seen it. and the last piece is this, i like marco, too. and two years ago, he called me a conservative restormer that new jersey needed. that was before he was running against me and now he is, he changed his tune. i will not change my tune. i like marco rubio and he is a good and smart guy and a heck of a better president than barak obama would be. >> my name is here. chris is right. he's been a god governor and a heck of a lot better than the predecessor. everyone on the stage is better than hillary clinton. we need to focus that we leave the nomination process. this is not being bad or and the

attack ads are a part of life. everybody's record is skrutinized and in the end of the day unite behind the winner so we can defeat hillary clinton. she is the disaster. our country can rise up again, but we need to have a compelling conservative agenda that we prepresent to the american people and unites us around the common purpose. everybody needs to discount some of the things you hear in the ads and back and forth. every person here is better than hillary clinton. >> neal, i was mentioned, too? >> you were? >> yeah, they said everybody. [laughter] and i just want to take this opportunity to say in the 2012 election, you know, and i say we, republicans tore themselves apart. we have to stop this, because you know, if we manage to damage

ourselves and we lose the next election and a progressive gets in there and they get 2 or 3 supreme court picks this nation is over as we know it. we need to look at the big picture here. >> governor kasich. [applause] governor kasich, hillary clinton is getting serious competition from senator bernie sanders. he's at 41 percent in the latest cbs, new york times poll. vice-president biden sang his praises and said bernie is speaking to a yeerning that is deep and real and has credibility on it. what does it say about our country that a candidate who is a self avowed socialist and doesn't think a 90 percent tax rate is too high could be the democrat candidate. >> if that is the case we'll win every state. bernie sanders is not even the issue. well, look and i know bernie and i can promise you, he will not

be president of the united states. here's the situation, i think maria, i have to tell you, when wages don't rise, and they haven't for a lot of families for a number of years, it is it difficult for them. part of the reason it hasn't risen because we are not giving people the skills they need and the federal reserve kept interest rates so low and the wealthy invested in the stock market when everybody else was left behind. people are upset. you are 50 or 51 years old and a kid walks in and tell us, you are out of york. we have an answer for that. we do. there are ways to retrain the 50 and 51 years old because they have great value. kids come out of college. they have high debt and they can't get a good job. we have to do something about the higher cost of education and make sure we train people for

good jobs that exist and pay. in this country, people are concerned about their economic future. they are very concerned about it and they wonder whether somebody is getting somebody and keeping them from getting it. that's not the america i have known. my father used to say johnny, we don't hate the rich but we want to be the rich. in k- 12. and in vocational education and higher education and we have to fight like crazy and people think that the american dream still exists because it does with rising wages and full employment and everybody in america and i mean everybody in america having an opportunity to realize the american dream of having a better life than their mother and father. i am president and look, i have done it once in washington, with great jobs and can lower taxes and the economy was booming, and now in ohio, with the same formula, wages are higher than

the national average and dproeth of the jobs is not that hard. but know where you want to go and stick to your gut and get it done because your children and grandchildren are counting on us getting it done and folks we will. >> dr. carson. one of the candidates pointed out bill clinton's past indescretions and is that a legitimate content. and what about hillary clinton being an enabler of misconduct. >> we should look past the president whether they are married or not in terms of their past behavior and what it means. but here is the real issue, is this america anymore? do we still have standards? do we still have values and principles? you know, you look at what is

going on and you see the divisiveness and patread in our society? we have a war on everything. race wars, gender wars, income wars, religious wars, age wars, every war you can imagine, we have people at each other's throats and our strength is actually in our unitty. you go to the internet and start reading an article and go to the comment. you can't go five comments down and people p are calling each other all manner of names. where did that spirit come from in america? it did not come from the judeo- christian roots, i can tell you that? [applause] >> and where ever it came from, we need to recognize such a thing as right and wrong and let's not the secular progressives drive that out of us. the majority of people in america have values and principles and they believe in

the very thing that made america great. they have been boaten into submission and it is time for us to stand up for what we believe in [applause] >> we are not done, coming up top issues that people are talking about on facebook, guns, and you can join us live on this stage in the conversation. during this commercial break, right from home, go to facebook/foxbusiness. we'll be streaming live and talk about how we think the debate is going so far. we'll be back in a moment in charleston, south carolina. you both have a perfect driving record.

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[applause] >> welcome back to the republican presidential debate right here. governor bush gun rights. 3 million people talking about it in the past month. right here in charleston dylanroof accused of killing nine people in the nearby church reportedly had not passed the background check when he got his gun. what is the harm in tightening standards for not only those who buy guns but those who sale them. >> first of all i would like to recognize governor haley in the leadership in the aftermath of emmanuel. [applause] the emanual a me church killings

and i want to recognize the people in the church that showed the grace of god and forgiveness and the mercy they showed. [applause] i don't know if any of us could have done what they did within 48 hours after that tragedy took place. here's the deal, in this particular case, the fbi made a mistake. the law itself requires a background check. but they didn't fulfill their part of the bargain. we don't need to add new rules, but make sure the fbi does its job. that person should not have gotten a gun or passed the background check. the first impulse of barak obama and hillary clinton is take rights way from the law- abiding citizen. first thing they do. whether in san bernardino or the tragedy. it is not law- abiding gun owners. we have an a plus rating in the

nra. in florida if you commit a crime with a gun you are going away for a long, long while. the violence in our communities target the efforts for people who are committing crimes with guns and if you do that and do it right, you will be better off than a political argument with the big divide. the other issue is mental health. republicans and democrats a like believe in this. and the president's first impulse is to do it by execute you have order. why not go to congress and begin to deal with the process of mental health and so people who are spiralling out of control because of mental challenges don't have access to guns. >> thank you, sir. >> mr. trump, are there any circumstances that we should be limiting gun sales of any kind in america? >> no. i am a second amendment person. if we had guns in california on the other side where the bullets

went in the different direction, you wouldn't have 14 or 15 people dead right now. if even in paris if they had guns on the other side going in the opposite direction, you wouldn't have 130 plus dead. so the answer is said. what jeb said we have a huge mental health problem and we are closing hospitals and closing wards and closing so many because the states want to save money. we have to get back to look at what is causing. guns don't pull the trilogier, it is it the people who pull the trigger and we have to find out what is going on and protect the second amendment and you cannot do this and certainly what obama did with the executive order. he doesn't want people together. old fashioned way of getting the congress and senate and get together and do election. he just writes out a executive order. it is not supposed to happen that way. >> thank you, sir.

>> senator rubio. you said president obama wants to take guns away. under the presidency dpun sales doubled. that doesn't sell. >> that sounds like people are afraid he will take the guns away by force. look. the second amendment is not a option or suggestion. it is a constitutional right of every american to protect themselves and their families. i am convinced that the president p could confiscate every gun in america he would. if he could get rid of the second amendment he would. i see how he works with the attorney general not to protect the second amendment but undermind it. he appoints people to court to undermind it. here's my second problem. none of the instances that the president points to as the reason he does these things would have been prevented.

criminals don't buy from a gun show or collector or gun stores. they steal them and get them on the black market. and isis and terrorist do not get their guns from a gun show. his answer, you name it, if there is an act of violence. his immediate answer before p he knows the facts is gun control. here is a fact, we are at war against isis and they are trying to attack us in america. and in philadelphia and san bernardino two weeks ago. and the last line of standing between them and us is a gun. when i am in office i will defend the second amendment and not undermine it the way bark bookkeeper obama does. >> what fact that you can point that the president would take everyone's gun. you don't think that is extreme. >> every two weeks he holds a press conference how he can restrict access to guns. >> what?

>> do you remember when he ran for president of the united states. and he was a candidate. americans with traditional values are bitter people and cling to their guns and religion. that tells where he was headed. [applause] >> this president has underfind the second amendment. here is the difference. when he meets with the attorney general it is not how can we protect the second amendment right of americans. give me options of how i can make it harder for law- abiding people to buy guns. that will not happen when i am president of the united states. [applause] >> governor christie, you critized the pet's action on guns saying it was unconstitutional and hasn't your own position on guns evolved, sir, the new jersey ledger said you signed several laws of regulation of guns and i quote.

common sense measures will strength know the already tough gun laws. is that what the president is doing now? >> no, the president wants to do things without the congress and legislature and getting the consent of the american people and the fact is, that is not a democracy, that is a dictatorship. and we need to be concern body p that. you see, here's the thing. i don't think the founders put the second amendment by accident. i don't think they dropped all of the amendments in a hat and i think they made it the second amendment because it was that important p. in new jersey we made it easy tore get a conceal and carry permit and made it easier and not harder and the way we have done it is through proper regatory. this guy is a petullant child. that's what he is. the fact is, neal, think about, i hope the president is watching

tonight. here's what i would like to tell him. mr. president, we are not against you but against your policies. when you had become president you had a democratic congress and filibuster proof senate and only 21 republican governors in the country. and now we have the biggest majority in the house. and republican majority in the senate and 31 out of 50 republican governors, the american people rejected your agenda and now you are trying to go around it and it is not right and not constitutional and we are going to kick your rear out of the white house come this fall. [applause] >> so, senator cruz, what is the answer to stop mass shootings and violence in the country. >> the answer is simple. you prosecute criminals and target the bad guys. a minute ago, neal asked what president obama had done to

illustrate going after guns. he appointed eric holder as attorney general. he vowed his mission as brain cash washing the american people against guns. and appointed sonya sot onmayer who is against the right to have beguns and launched fast and feweruous and those guns were used on american officials. and hillary clinton agrees with the supreme court descenter in the hilliard case. there were four descentors and they don't believe the constitution protects the right for individuals to keep arms and the next president will get 1, 2, throw or fotwo, throw or fout justices. and the government can confiscate. and california senator dine fine

stain if she could say to mr. and mrs. america give me your guns, she would. in any republican primary, everyone is going to say they second the second amendment. unless you are clinically insane. that's what you say in a primary. but the voters are savvier than that and recognize that people's actions don't match their words. i have a proven record fighting to dpuns in america. and that's the reason the nra grave me the freedom award and when barak obama and chuck schummer came after our right. we defeated that gun control legislation and i would note the other individuals on this stage were no where to be found in that fight. >> senator, let me follow-up and switch gears, senator cruz, you

suggested that mr. trump embodies new york values. could you explain what you mean by that? >> you know, i think most people know what new york values are. >> i am from new york. >> you are from new york and you might not. but i promise you in the state of south carolina they do. and there are many, many wonderful working men and women in the state of new york. and everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or proabortion or gay marriage and focus around money and the media and can i would note indeed, the reason i said that. my friend donald has taken to playing bruce springsteen born in the usan and i said maybe he could play new york, new york.

and the concept of new york value system not that complicated to figure out. donald did a long interview with tim russert and in that interview, he explained his views on a whole host of issues that are very different than the views he is describing now. he said i am from new york and that's what i believe in new york. those are not iowa values, but what we believe in new york. i can frame it another way, not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i am just saying. [laughter] >> are you sure about that? >> maria, so conservatives actually do come out of manhattan including william f. buckley and otherses just so you understand. and if i could. he insulted a lot of people. vihad more calls on that

statement that ted made. new york is a great place and great people and loving people and wonderful people. and when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully and humanely than new york. [applause] >> you had 2, 110 story buildings come crashing down. thousands of people killed. and the clone up started the next day and it was the most horrific clean up. probably in the history of doing this and in construction. i was down there and i had never seen anything like it. and the people in new york fought and fought and fought. and we saw more death and even the smell of death, no body understood it and it was with us for months.

the smell and air. and we rebuilt downtown manhattan and everybody in the world watched and everybody in the world loved new york and new yorkers and i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement that ted made. [applause] >> governor bush, for the third time in as many months, the iranians provoked us as we discussed the ten navy sailors. and they were released only after being shown and apologized for the incident occurring only weeks after iran fired multiple rockets within a u.s. carrier and continued to test medium range missile. you claim that such actions that teheran has little to fear from a president obama. i wonder, sir, what would change if they continued to do this sort of thing under president jeb bush p? >> first of all, we would

restore the strength of the military. last week secretary carter announced that the navy is going to be cut again. it is now half the size of what it was prior to operation desert storm. deployments are too high for the military personnel and we don't have procurement done for the equipment. captain b-52 inaugurated in the age of harry trumman. and the planes are older than the pilots. we are gutting our military and the iranians and chinese and other countries look at the united states as not as serious. we have to limit the sequester and rebuild our military that make its clear we are back in the game. and secondly as it relates to iran. reimpose sanks. they have violated the sanctions after the agreement was signed by testing medium range missile and thirdly move our embassy

from tel aviv to jerusalem to send a serious signal we are back in the game with israel. and make sure the world knows they have superiority. we back in the game with the arab nations. the rest of the world is moving away from us toward other a liiance because we are weak. this president and hillary clinton and john kerry made it harder for the next president to act. but we can get back in the game and restore order and security for our own country. >> thank you, governor. governor kasich, everyone is forcing with iran. but what do you make of saudi arabia and his moves in the r region including the execution of a sheik and the effort to drive down oil prices and force oil producers out of business.

they are predicting a third or more oil producers and those heavily invested in fraking will go bankrupt and soon opex and saudi arabia will be back in the driver's seat. with friended like these, who needs enemys? >> let me first of all talk about my experience. i served on the defense committee for 18 years and by the way, one of the members was senator strom thurman from south carolina and after the 9/11 attacks, secretary rumsfeld invited me to the rent gone with the meeting with four former secretaries of defense. i suggested we had a problem with technology and i wanted to take people from silicon valley to the pentagon to solve significant problems. i had an opportunity to go through the cold war area, and struggles in central america and

9/11 to be involved. with saudi arabia can production, it is so critical for us to be energy independent and we are getting there because of fraking. it gives us leverage and flexibility. and if you want to bring jobs back to the united states of america in industry low prices make a difference. we'll see it in my state and in the continue and we must continue to frac. in terms of saudi arabia, my biggest problem with them is they are funding radical clerics and presidents are looking the other way. whether i am president or not, we better make it chlor to the saudis, we'll support you and just like the first gulf war but you have to knock off the radical otherwising of the clerics who turn and destroy us and will turn in destroy them.

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[applause] >> welcome back to the republican presidential debate. the man who made isis the cornerstone of his campaign. lindsay graham is out of the race, but he joins us from the audience. he says that the air strikes now in their 16th month have been ineffective. dr. carson. >> who in their 16th month. >> the air strike in the 16th month are ineffective. dr. carson is lind a graham right in wanting to send ground

troops to take out isis. >> there is no doubt that isis is a serious problem and i don't believe the administration recognizes how serious it is. i think we need to do a lot more than we are doing and recognize the caliphate gives them legitimacy on the jihadist mission. the way to take it away from them is talk to our military officials and ask them what do you need in order to accomplish this goal? our decision is do we give them what they need. i say yes, we give them what they need and we don't tie their hands behind their back so they can get it done. and in addition we take their oil and source of revenue. you know, these engagement rules that the administration has, we are not going to boenl a tanker

that is coming out of there, there might be a person in it. give me a break. tell them don't put people in there if you don't want them bombed. and shut down their mechism of funding and attack command and control. why should their people be sitting in their comfortable chairs smoiking cigar in ra qqa. and send specialopes out and a this particular them. they should be running all of the time and they will not have time to plan attacks against us. >> thank you, sir. senator graham has always said the u.s. will find arab support for its coalition if it removes syrian president bashar assad. the now king of of saudi arabia said you can have our army, you just got to deal with assad.

a mir of not going to fight isis and let damascus fall into the hands of the iranians. assad has to go. governor christie, how important is it to remove assad from power and how would you do it? >> maria, you look at what this president and his secretary of state, secretary of state clinton has done to get us into this spot, think about it, this is a president who said along with his secretary of state, through a red line in syria, if assad uses chemical weapons against these people, then we're going to attack. he's used chemical weapons, he's killed over a quarter million of his own people and this president has done nothing. this president has done worse than nothing. this president, and by the way, secretary clinton who called assad a reformer, she called assad a reformer. this president has invited russia to play an even bigger role. bring in vladimir putin to negotiate getting those chemical weapons back from assad. yet what do we have today? we have the russians and

iranians working together, not to fight isis, but to prop up assad. the fact of the matter is, we are not going to have peace. we are not going to have peace in syria. we're not going to be able to rebuild it, put a no-fly zone there, make it safe for those folks so we don't have to be talking about syrian refugees anymore. the syrians should stay in syria. they shouldn't be going to europe. and here's the last piece. you're not going to have peace in syria with assad in charge. you're simply not. so senator graham is right about this. and if we want to try to rebuild the coalition as governor kasich was saying before, then what we better do is to get to the arab countries that believe that isis is a threat not only to them, but to us and to world peace and bring them together. and believe me, assad is not worth it. if you were going to leave this to hillary clinton, the person who gave us this foreign policy, the architect of it, and you're going to give her another four years, that's why i'm speaking out as strongly as i am about that. hillary clinton cannot be president. it will lead to even greater war in this world. and remember this, after hillary

clinton and barack obama has had nearly eight years, we have fewer democracies in the world than we had when they started. that makes the world less peaceful, less safe. in my administration, we will help to make sure that we will bring people together in the middle east and we will fight isis and defeat them. >> thank you, sir. mr. trump, your comments about banning slim inning muslims fr the country created a firestorm. according to facebook, it was the most talked about moment online of your entire campaign, with more than 10 million people talking about the issue. is there anything you've heard that makes you want to rethink this position? >> no. no. look, we have to stop with political correctness. we have to get down to creating a country that's not going to have the kind of problems that we've had with people flying planes into the world trade

centers, with the, with the shootings in california, with all the problems all over the world. i just left indonesia, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. we have to find out what's going on. i said, temporarily -- i didn't say permanently. i said, temporarily. and i have many great muslim friends. and some of them, i will say, not all, have called me and said, donald, thank you very much. you're exposing an unbelievable problem and we have to get to the bottom of it. and unlike president obama, where he refuses even to use the term of what's going on, he can't use the term, for whatever reason, and if you can't use the term, you're never going to solve the problem. my muslim friends, some, said, thank you very much. we'll get to the bottom of it. but we have a serious problem. and we can't be the stupid country anymore. we're laughed at all over the world. >> donald, donald, can i -- i hope you reconsider this, because this policy is a policy

that makes it impossible to build a coalition necessary to take out isis. the kurds are our strongest allies. they're muslim. you're not going to even allow them to come to our country? the other arab countries have a role to play in this. we cannot be the world's policeman. we can't do this unilaterally. we have to do this unison with the arab world. and sending that signal makes it impossible for us to be serious about taking out isis and restoring democracy in syria. so i hope you'll reconsider. i hope you'll reconsider. the better way of dealing with this, the better way of dealing with this is recognizing that there are people in, you know, in the islamic terrorists inside, embedded in refugee populations. what we ought to do is tighten up our efforts to deal with the entry visa program, so a citizen from europe, it's harder, if they've, traveling to syria, or traveling to these other places where there is islamic terrorism, make the screening take place.

we don't have to have refugees come to our country, but all muslims, seriously, what kind of signal does that send to the rest of the world that the united states is a serious player -- >> you said he made those comments and they represented him being unhinged, after he made them. >> yeah, they are unhinged. >> well, after he made them. >> they are -- >> his poll numbers went up eight points in south carolina. >> 11 points, to be exact. >> are you saying -- are you saying that all those people who agreed with mr. trump are unhinged? >> no. not at all. absolutely not. i can see why people are angry and scared, because this president has created a condition where our national security has weakened dramatically. i totally get that. but we're running for presidency of the united states here. this isn't -- this isn't, you know, a different kind of job. you have to lead. you cannot make rash statements and expect the rest of the world to respond as though, well, it's just politics. every time we send signals like this, we send a signal of

weakness, not strength. and it was an unhinged statement, which is why i'm asking him to consider changing his views. >> i want security for this country, okay? i want security. i'm tired of seeing what's going on, between the border, where the people flow over, people come in, they live, they shoot. i want security for this country. we have a serious problem, as you know, with radical islam. we have a tremendous problem. it's not only a problem here, it's a problem all over the world. i want to find out why those two young people, those two horrible young people in california, when they shot the 14 people killed them. people they knew. people that held a wedding reception for them. i want to find out, many people saw pipe bombs in all sorts of things all over their apartment. why weren't they vigilant? why didn't they call? why didn't they call the police? and by the way, the police are the most mistreated people in

this country. i will tell you that. the most mistreated people. >> but can i -- >> we need to -- wait a minute. we need vigilance. we have to find out, many people knew about what was going on. why didn't they turn those two people in, so that you wouldn't have had all the death? there's something going on and it's bad. and i'm saying, we have to get to the bottom of it. that's all i'm saying. >> we want to hear -- >> we need security. >> we want to hear from all of you on this. according to pew research, the u.s. admits more than 100,000 muslim immigrants, every single year, on a permanent lifetime basis. i want to ask the rest of you to comment on this. do you agree that we should pause muslim immigration until we get a better handle on our homeland security situation, as mr. trump has said, beginning with you, mr. kasich? >> i've been for pausing on admitting the syrian refugees. and the reason why i've done is, i don't believe we have a good process of being able to vet

them. but you know, we don't want to put everybody in the same category. and i'll go back to something that had been mentioned just a few minutes ago. if we're going to have a coalition, we're going to have to have a coalition of not just people in the western part of the world, our european allies, but we need the saudis, we need the egyptians, we need the jordanians, we need the gulf states. we need jordan, we need all of them to be part exactly what the first george bush put together in the first gulf war. it was a coalition made up of arabs and americans and westerners. and we're going to need it again. and if we try to put everybody in the same -- call everybody the same thing, we can't do it. and that's just not acceptable. but i think a pause on syrian refugees has been exactly right for all the governors that have called for it, and also, of course, for me, as the governor of ohio. >> thank you, sir. we want to hear from the rest of you. governor christie, your take? >> maria, listen, i said right from the beginning that we should take no syrian refugees

of any kind. and the reason i said that is because the fbi director told the american people, told congress, that he could not guarantee he could vet them and it would be safe. that's the end of the conversation. i can tell you, after spending seven years as a former federal prosecutor, right after 9/11, dealing with this issue, here's the way you need to deal with it. you can't just ban all muslims. you have to ban radical islamic jihadists. you have to ban the people who are trying to hurt us. and the only way to figure that out is to go back to getting the intelligence community the funding and the tools that it needs to be able to keep america safe. and this summer we didn't do that. we took it away from the nsa. it was a bad decision by the president, bad by those in the senate who voted for it. and if i'm president, we'll make our intelligence community strong and we won't have to keep everyone out, we'll just have to keep the bad folks out and make sure they don't harm us. >> thank you, sir. senator rubio, where do you stand? >> let's first talk about why we're having this debate, and

why donald tapped into that anger that's out there. this president has consistently understated the threat of isis. he described them as a bunch of guys with long beards on the back of a pickup truck. they are much more than that. this is a group of people who enslaved women and sells them as brides. this is a group of people that burn people in cages, that are conducting genocide against christians and others in the region. this is not some small-scale group. they're radicalizing people here in the united states, they're conduct attacks around the world. you know what needs to happen. it's a simple equation. and it's going to happen if i'm president. if we do not know who you are, and we don't know why you are coming, when i am president, you are not getting into the united states of america. >> senator cruz, where do you stand? senator cruz? >> you know, i understand why donald made the comments he did and i understand why americans are feeling frustrated and scared and anger when we have a president who refuses to acknowledge the threat we face,

and even worse, who acts as an apologist for radical islamic terrorists. but what we need is a commander in chief who is focused like a laser on keeping this country face and defeating radical islamic terrorism. what should we do? first, we should pass the ex-patriot terrorism act. legislation i've introduced that says if americans go and wage jihad against america, you forfeit your citizenship and you cannot come in on a passport. and secondly, we should pass that legislation that i've introduced that suspends all refugees from nations that isis or al qaeda controls significant territory. just last week, we saw two iraqi refugees, vetted using the same process the president says will work, that were arrested for being alleged isis terrorists. if i am elected president, we will not let in refugees the from countries controlled by isis or al qaeda. and when it comes to isis, we will not weaken them, we will

not degrade them, we will utterly and completely destroy isis. >> dr. carson, where do you stand? do you agree with mr. trump? >> first of all, i recognize it is a substantial problem, but like all of our problems, there isn't a single one that can't be solved -- that cannot be solved with common sense. if you remove the ego and the politics. and clearly, what we need to do is get a group of experts together, including people from other countries, some of our frnds from israel, who have had experience screening these people. and come up with some new guidelines for immigration and for visas for people who are coming into this country. that's the thing that obviously makes sense. we can do that. and as far as the syrians are concerned, a perfect place, they have infrastructure, all we need to do is protect them. they'll be in their own country. and that's what they told me when i was in jordan in november. let's listen to them and let's not listen to our politicians.

>> so to be clear, the both of you do not agree with mr. trump? >> so where we going to ban muslims from india, from indonesia, from countries that are strong allies that we need to build better relationships with? of course not, what we need to do is to destroy isis. i laid a plan to do that. and it starts with creating a no-fly zone and a safe zone. we need to lead a sunni-led force inside of syria. we need to embed with the iraqi military. we need to arm the kurds directly. we need to reestablish the relationships with the sunnis and the lawyers off the back of the war fighters. that's how you solve the problem. you don't solve it by big talk where you're banning all muslims and making a coalition for it to be successful. >> thank you, governor. >> mr. trump, sometimes, maybe in the heat of the campaign, you say things and you have to dial them back. last week, "the new york times" editorial board quoted you as saying you would impose up to a 45% tariff on chinese goods -- >> that's wrong.

they were wrong. it's "the new york times," they're always wrong. >> well -- >> they were wrong. >> you never said, because they provided -- >> what i said, i would use -- they were asking me what to do about north korea. china, they don't like to tell us, but they have total control, just about, of north korea. they can solve the problem of north korea if they wanted to. but they taunt us. they say, well, we don't really have control. without china, north korea doesn't even eat. china is ripping us on trade. they're devaluing their currency, and they're killing our companies. thousands and thousands -- you look at the number of companies and the number, in terms of manufacturing and plants that we've lost, 50,000, because of china. >> so you never recommended putting a tariff on -- >> we've lost anywhere between 4 million and 7 million jobs because of china. when i said, this. we have very unfair trade with china. we're going to have a trade deficit of $505 billion this

year with china. a lot of that is because they devalue their currency. what i said to "the new york times" is that we have great power, economic power over china. and if we wanted to use that, and the amount, and where the 45% comes in, that would be the amount, based on their devaluations, that we should get, that we should get. what i'm saying is this. i'm not saying we do it. but if they don't start treating us fairly and stop devaluing and let their currency rise, so that our companies can compete and we don't loose all of these millions of jobs that we're losing, i would certainly start taxing goods that come from in from china. who the hell has to lose $505 million a year. >> i'm sorry, sir, you lost me. >> it's not that complicated, actually. >> then i apologize. but i want to understand, if you don't want a 45% tariff, you say that wasn't the figure, would you be open or are you open to slapping a higher tariff on

chinese goods of any sort to go back at them. >> just so you understand, i know so much about trade with china. carl ican, as you know, today, endorsed me. many businessmen -- >> i know, but -- >> no, no, these are the kind of people we should use to negotiate. not the kind of people we have who are political hacks who don't know what they're doing and we have problems like this. these are the kind of people. we should use our best and our finest. >> on that tariff -- >> now, here's what i'm saying. china, they send their goods and we don't tax it, they do whatever they want to do. okay. when we do business with china, they tax us. you don't know it, they tax us. i have many friends that deal with china. they can't deal -- number one, they don't want the product. and when they finally get the product, it is taxed. and if you look at what happened with boeing and look at what happened with so many companies that deal. so we don't have an equal playing field. i'm saying, absolutely, we don't have to continue to lose $505 billion as a trade deficit for the privilege of dealing with

china. i'm a free trader. i believe it. but we have to be smart and we have to use smart people to negotiate. i have the largest bank in the world as a tenant of mine. i sell tens of millions of dollars, i love china. i love the chinese people. but they laugh themselves, they can't believe how stupid the american leadership is. >> so you're open to a tariff? >> i'm totally open to a tariff. if they don't treat us fairly, hey, their whole trade thing is tariffed. you can't deal in china without tariff. they do it to us, we don't do it. it's not fair trade. >> neal, let me say one thing about this. i'm a free trader. i supported nafta. i believe in the ptt, because it's important, those countries in asia are an interface against china. and we do need china. donald's right about north korea. i mean, the fact is is that they need to put the pressure on and frankly, we need to intercept ships coming out of north korea so they don't proliferate all

this dangerous material. but what he's talking about, i think, has got merit. >> i'm liking him tonight. >> for too long, for too long what happens is, somebody dumps their product in our country and takes our people's jobs, and then we go to an international court. and it takes them like a year or two to figure out if they were cheating us. and guess what, the worker's out of a job. so when they are found against that company that's selling products in here lower than the cost of what it takes to produce them, then what do we tell the worker? oh, well, you know it, just didn't work out for you. i think we should be for free trade, but i think fair trade. and when countries violate trade agreements or dump products in this country, we need to stand up against those countries that do that without making them into an enemy. i want to suggest to you, how do i know this? because so many people in my family worked in steel mills. and they didn't work with the

white collar, they worked in the blue-collar. and those jobs are critical, they're hard-working members of the middle class and they need to be paid attention to, because they're americans and they carry the load. so let's demand open trade, but fair trade in this country. that's what i think we need to do. >> but on this point, if i may add something on this point. we are all frustrated with what china is doing. i think we need to be very careful with tariff, and here's why. china doesn't pay the tariff, the buyer pays the tariff. if you send a tie or a shirt into the united states and an american goes to buy it at the store and there's a tariff, it gets passed on to the consumer. the best thing we can do to protect ourself against china is to make our economy stronger, which means reversing course from all the damage barack obama is doing to this country. it begins with tax reform. let's not have the most expensive business tax rate in the company. let's allow companies to immediately expense. it continues with regulatory reform. regulations in this country ought to control, especially the

employment prevention agency, the epa, and all the rules they continue to impose on our country. how about obamacare, a certified job killer. it needs to be repealed and replaced and bring our debt under control, make our economy stronger. that is the way to deal with china at the end of the day. >> the problem with what marco is saying is it takes too long, they're sucking us dry and it takes too long. you absolutely have to get involved with china. they are taking so much of what we have in terms of jobs, in terms of money. we just can't do it -- >> he's right. if you put a tariff on it, it's the american who is pay. >> absolutely. >> you looking at me? >> prices go higher. >> can i tell you what? it will never happen, because they'll let their currency go up. they're never going to let it happen. japan, the same thing. they are devaluing, it's so impossible for -- you look at caterpillar tractor and what's happening with caterpillar and comatsu, friends of mine are a ordering comatsu tractors now

because they've devalued the yen to such an extent that you can't buy a caterpillar tractor and we're letting them get away with it and we can't let them get away with it. and that's why we have to use carl and we have to use our great business people and not political hacks to negotiate with them. >> apart from the higher prices on consumers and people who are living paycheck to paycheck, apart from that, there'll be retaliation. so the soybean sales from iowa, entire soybean production goes -- the equivalent of it goes to china. or how about boeing right here within a mile. you think that the chinese, if they had a 45% tariff imposed on all their imports wouldn't retaliate and start buying airbus? of course they would. this would be devastating for our economy. we need someone with a steady hand being president of the united states. >> real quick, senator, go ahead, senator cruz and then we have to get to tax reform. >> and we don't need a weak person being president of the united states. that's what we'd get if it were jeb. i'll tell you what, we don't need that. we don't need that.

that's essentially what we have now and we don't know that. and that's why we're in the trouble -- and by the way, jeb, you mentioned boeing. take a look. they order plane. they make boeing build their plant in china. they don't want them made here. they want those planes made in china. >> they're a mile away from us. >> that's not the way the game is supposed to be blame. >> hey, my name was mentioned here. the simple fact is the plane that's being built here, it's being sold to china. you flew in with your 767, didn't you, right there, right next to the plant. >> the new planes. i'm not talking about now, i'm talking about in the future. they're building massive plants this china, because china does not want boeing building their planes here. they want them built in china, because china happens to be smart the way they do it, not the way we do it. >> when you head back to the airport tonight, go check and see -- >> i'll check for you. >> check it out. >> senator, briefly? >> thanks for coming back to me, maria. both donald and jeb have good points. and there is a middle ground.

donald is right that china is running over president obama like he is a child. president obama is not protecting american workers and we are getting hammered. you know, i sat down with the senior leadership of john deere. they discussed how hard it is to sell tractors in china, because all the regulatory barriers, their protectionists, but jeb is also right that if we just impose a tariff, they'll put reciproc reciprocal tariffs that are hurt iowa farmers and 20% of the american jobs that depend on exports. so the way you do it is you pass a tax plan, like the tax plan i've introduced. a simple flat tax, 10% for individuals and a 16% flat tax. you abolish the irs. and here's the critical point, maria. the business flat tax allows us to abolish the corporate tax, the death tax, so every export

pays no taxes whatsoever, it's tax free. a huge advantage for our farmers and ranchers and manufacturers, and every import pays the 16% business flat tax. it's like a tariff, but here's the difference. if we impose a tariff, china responds, the business flat tax, they already impose their taxes on us, so there's no reciprocal tariff that comes against us. it puts us on a level, even playing field that brings jobs here at home. and as president, aisle going to fight for the working men and women. >> we've got to get to tax reform. >> i want to talk about tax -- >> we've got to get to the national debt as well. coming up next, the growing national debt. the war on crime, tax reform. more from north charleston, south carolina, when we come right back. hey!

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welcome back to the republican presidential debate here in north charleston. right back to the questions. >> governor christie, we have spoken much about cutting spending, given the $19 trillion debt, but according to one report, american needs $3.6 trillion in infrastructure spending by 2020. here in south carolina, 11% of bridges are considered structurally deficient, costing drivers $1 billion a year in auto repairs. what is your plan to fix the ailing roads and bridges across the country without breaking the bank? >> i'm glad you asked it, maria. here's our plan. we've all been talking about tax reform. if you reform the corporate

taxes in this country, which has mentioned before, the highest rate in the world, and we double tax, as you know, and what that's led to is over $2 trillion of american companies' money that are being kept offshore, because they don't want to pay the second tax. and who can blame them? they pay tax once overseas, day don't want to pay 35% tax on the way back. so besides reforming that tax, bringing it down to 25% and eliminating those special interest loopholes the that the lobbyists and lawyers and accountants have given, bring that rate down to 25%, but also a one-time repatriation of that money, bring the money, the $2 trillion back to the united states. we'll tax it that one time at 8.75%. i would then dedicate that money to rebuilding infrastructure here in this country. it would not necessitate it as raising any taxes. it would bring that money back into the united states to help build jobs, by american companies and get our economy moving again and growing at a much higher rate, and it would

rebuild those roads and bridges and tunnels that you were talking about. and the last piece of this, maria, is this. you know, the fact is that this president has penalized corporations in america. he's penalized -- he doesn't understand, what that's done is hurt hard-working taxpayers. you see middle class wages go backwards $3,700 during the obama administration. that's wrong for hard-working taxpayers in this country. we rebuild infrastructure that would also create jobs in this country, and we'd work with the states to do it the right way, to do it more efficiently and more effectively. remember this. i'm credible on this for this reason. americans for tax reform says i've vetoed more tax increases than any governor in american history. we don't need to raise taxes, we need to make the government run smarter and better and reform this corporate tax system, bring that money back to the united states to rebuild jobs and rebuild our infrastructure, and we need to use it also to protect our grid from terrorists. all of those things are important and all of those

things would happen in a christie administration. >> dr. carson, it is true u.s. companies have $2 trillion in cash sitting overseas right now. that could be used for investment and jobs in america. also, several companies, right now, are pursuing mergers to move their corporate headquarters abroad and take advantage of much lower taxes. what will you do to stop the flow of companies building cash away from america and those leaving america altogether? >> well, i would suggest a fair tax system. and that's what we have proposed. a flat tax for everybody, no exemptions, no deductions, no shelters, because some people have a better capability of take advantage of those things than others. you know, and then the other thing we have to do is stop spending so much money. you know, i -- my mother taught me this, you know, she only had a third grade education, but she knew how to stretch a dollar. i mean, she would drive a car

until it wouldn't make a sound and then gather up all her coins and buy a new car. in fact, if my mother were secretary of treasury, we would not be in a deficit situation. but the fact of the matter is, you know, if we fix the taxation system, make it absolutely fair, and get rid of all of the incredible regulations, because every regulation is a tax. it's a -- you know, on goods and services. and it's the most regressive tax that there is. you know, when you go into the store and buy a box of laundry detergent and the price has gone up, you know, 50 cents because of regulation, a poor person notices that. a rich person does not. a middle class person may notice it when they get to the cash register and everything is costing more money. and we are killing our people like this. and bernie sanders and hillary clinton will say, it's those evil rich people. it's not the evil rich people, it's the evil government that is putting all these regulations on us so that we can't survive.

>> thank you, sir. senator rubio? >> maria, what you were talking about just now is called corporate inversion. it's one of the biggest problems our country has. right now, corporations by the thousands are thinking of leaving our country, with the jobs, leave them behind. they're leaving because of taxes, but also leaving because they can't get their money back. everybody agrees. democrats and republicans. and it should come back in, but they can't get along. they can't even make it -- here's the case, they both agree, they can't make a deal. we have to do something. corporate inversion is one of the biggest problems we have. so many companies are going to leave our country. >> which is why we raise it. senator rubio, thank you, mr. trump. one of the biggest fiscal challenges facing our country is our entitlement program, particularly social security and medicare. what policies will you put forward to make sure these programs are more financially secure? >> well, first, let me address the tax issue, because it's related to the entitlement issue. and i want to thank you for

holding a substantiative debate where we can have debates about these key issues on taxes. here's the one thing i'm not going to do. i'm not going to have something ted described in his tax plan, called the value-added tax. it's a tax that you find in many businesses in europe, where companies will have to pay a tax on the money they make, but also on the money they pay their employees. that's what they have it in europe, it's a way to blindfold the people. ronald reagan opposed it because he said it was a way to blindfold the people so the true cost of government was not there for them. you can support one now that's very low, but what is to prevent a future liberal president or liberal congress from coming back and not just raising the income tax, but also raising that vat tax. and that vat tax is really bad for seniors. because seniors, if they are retired, are no longer earning an income from a job. so they don't get the incomes tax bra eck, but their prices will be higher, because the vat tax embedded in the prices businesses are charging and the wages they pay their employees.

when i'm the president of the united states, i'll side with ronald reagan on this and not nancy pelosi and we are not having a vat tax. >> maria, if i can respond to that. marco has been floating this for a few weeks now. but my proposal is not a vat. a vat is a sales tax when you buy a good. this is a business flat tax. it is imposed on businesses. and a critical piece that marco seems to be missing is that this 16% business flat tax enables us to eliminate the corporate income tax. it goes away. it enables us to eliminate the death tax. if you're a farmer, a rancher, a small business owner, the death tax is gone. we eliminate the payroll tax. we eliminate the obamacare taxes. and listen, there's a real difference between marco's tax plan and mine. mine gives every american a simple, flat tax of 10%. marco's top tax rate is 35%.

my tax plan enables you to fill out your taxes on a postcard, so we can abolish the irs. marco leaves the irs code in with all of the complexity. we need to break the washington cartel and the only way to do it is end all the subsidies. and the final observation, i would note that art laffer, ronald reagan's chief economic adviser has written publicly that my simple flat tax is the best tax plan of any of the individuals on this stage, because it produces economic growth, it raises wages, and it helps everyone from the very poorest to the very richest. >> but that's not an accurate description of the plan. because, first of all, you may rename the irs, but you're not going to abolish the irs, because there has to be some agency that's going to collect your vat tax. somebody tease going to be collecting the tax. in fact, ronald reagan's treasury, when ronald reagan's treasury looked at the vat tax,

you know what they found, that they would have to hire 20,000 new irs agents to collect it. and it doesn't eliminate the corporate tax or the payroll tax. businesses will now have to pay 16% on the money they make. they will also have to pay 16% on the money they pay their employees. so there are people watching tonight in business, if you are now hit on a 60% tax on both your income and on the wages you pay your employees, where are you going to get that money from? you're going to get it by paying your employees less and charging your customers more. that is a tax. the difference is, you don't see it on the bill. and that's why ronald reagan said that it was a blindfold. you blindfold the american people so they cannot see the true cost of government. now, 16% is what the rate ted wants it at. but what happens if, god forbid, the next barack obama takes over and the next nancy pelosi and the next harry reid and they decide, we're going to raise it to 30%, plus we're going to raise the income tax to 30%. now you've got europe. >> a question for mr. trump. >> maria --

>> maria -- >> -- instead of 10%. >> maria, i would like to -- i would like to interrupt this debate on the floor of the senate, to actually answer the e question you asked, which was on entitlements. do you remember that, everybody? this was a question on entitlements. >> i would like to -- >> you already had your chance, mark, you blew it. the fact is, this reason why -- >> if you'll answer -- >> the fact is, the reason why that no one wants to answer entitlements up here is because it's hard. it's a hard problem. and i'm the only one up on this stage who back in april put forward a detailed entitlement reform plan that will save over $1 trillion, save social security, save medicare, and avoid this. avoid what hillary hrodham clinton will do to you, because she will come in and raise social security taxes. bernie sanders has already said it, and she is just one or two more poll drops down from even moving further left than she's moved already to get to the left

of bernie on this. we have seniors out there who are scared to death, because this congress, this one that ef-with right now, just stole $150 billion from the social security retirement fund to give it to the social security disability fund, a republican congress did that. and the fact is it was wrong. and they consorted with barack obama to steal from social security. we need to reform social security. mine is the only plan that saves over $1 trillion, and that's why i'm answering your question. >> thank you, governor. thank you. >> can i just add one very quick thing. i just want to say, you know, last week, we released our tax plan, and multiple reputable journals, including the "wall street journal," said that ours is the best. just wanted to get that out there. just saying. >> thank you, dr. carson. coming up, how will the candidates attack america and another terror attack, if we were to see it. but first, you can join us live on stage during the commercial break right from home. go to facebook.com/foxbusiness.

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welcome back to the republican presidential debate right here in charleston, south carolina. let's get right to the questions. maria? >> mr. trump, your net worth is in the multi billions of dollars and have an ongoing thriving hotel and real estate business. are you planning on putting your assets in a blind trust should you become president? with such vast wealth, how difficult will it be for you to disentangle yourself from your business and your money and prioritize americans' interests first? >> it's an interesting question, because i'm very proud of my company. as you two know, i built a very great company. but if i became president, i couldn't care less about my company.

it's peanuts. i want to make -- i want to use that same up here, whatever it may be, to make america rich again and to make america great again. i have ivanka and eric and don sitting there. run the company, kids, have a good time. i'm going to do it for america. so i would be willing -- >> so you'll put your assets in a blind trust? >> i would put it in a blind trust. well, i don't know if it's a blind trust if ivanka, don, and eric run it, is that a blind trust? i don't know. but i would probably have my children run it with my executives and i wouldn't ever be involved, because i wouldn't care about anything but our country. anything. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> governor christie, going back to your u.s. attorney days, you have been praised by both parties and certainly a tough law and order guy, so i wonder what you make of recent statistics, sir, that show that violent crimes have been spiking, sometimes by double-digit rate, in 30 cities across the country. milwaukee police chief says that

most local law enforcement officials feel abandoned by washington. former nypd police chief, ray kelly, says the police are being less proactive, because they're being overly scrutinized, and second-guessed, and they're afraid of being sued or thrown in jail. what would you do, as president, to address it? >> well, first off, let's face it. the fbi director, jim comey, is a friend of mine, and who i worked with as u.s. attorney in new jersey, he was u.s. attorney in manhattan. there's a chill wind blowing through law enforcement in this country. because the president of the united states and the u.s. attorney general give the benefit of the doubt to the criminal, not to the police officer. and you see him, every time he's got a chance, going back to that great beer summit he had, after he messed up that time. this is a guy who just believes that law enforcement are the bad guys. now, i, for seven years, was the u.s. attorney in new jersey. i worked hard with not only

federal agents, but with police officers, and here's the problem. sanctuary cities is part of the problem in this country. that's where crime is happening in these cities where they don't enforce the immigration law. and this president turns his back. this president doesn't enforce the marijuana laws in this country, because he doesn't agree with them. and allow states to go ahead and do whatever they want. this president laws lawlessness throughout this country. here's what i would do. i would appoint an attorney general and say have one very brief conversation with that attorney general. i would say, enforce the law against everyone justly, fairly, and aggressively. make our streets safe again, make our police officers proud of what they do, but more importantly than that, let them know how proud we are of them. we do that, this country will be safe and secure again, not only from criminals, but from the terrorists that threaten us as well. i'm the only person on the stage who has done that, and we will get it done as president of the united states. >> thank you, governor. governor kasich, as someone who has to deal with controversial

police i policing -- all right. you've had to deal with -- >> why you wore a red tie. you've had to deal with controversial shootings in your own state. what do you make of chicago's move, recently, to sort of retrain police? maybe make them not so quick to use their guns? >> well, i created a task force, well over a year ago and the purpose was to bring law enforcement, community people, clergy, and the person that i named as one of the co-chairman is a lady by the name of nina turner, a former state senator, a liberal democrat, actually ran against one of my friends, and our head of public safety. and they sat down as a group, trying to make sure that we can begin to heal some of these problems that we see between community and police. and they came back with 23 recommendations. one of them is a statewide use of deadly force. and it is now being put into

place, every place across the state of ohio. secondly, a policy on recruiting and hiring. and more resources for training. but let me also tell you, one of the issues has got to be the integration of both community and police. community has to understand that that police officer wants to get home at night and to not lose their life. their family is waiting for them. at the same time, law enforcement understands there are people in the community who not only think that the system doesn't work for them, but works against them. see, in ohio, we've had some controversial decisions, but the leaders have come forward to realize that protest is fine, but violence is wrong. and it has been a remarkable situation in our state. and as president of the united states, it's all about communication, folks. it's all about getting people to listen to one another's problems. and when you do that, you will be amazed at how much progress you can make and how much healing we can have.

because, folks, at the end of the day, the country needs healed. i've heard a lot of hot rhetoric here tonight, but i've got to tell you, somebody that actually passed the budget that paid down $500 billion of our national debt, you can't do it alone. you've got to bring people together, you've got to give people hope. and together we can solve these problems that hurt us and heal america. and that is what's so grill for our neighborhoods, our families, our children, and our grandchildren. >> senator rubio? under current law, the u.s. is on track to issue more new permanent immigrants on green cards over the next five years than the entire population of south carolina. the cbo says your 2013 immigration bill would have increased grecardholders by anor 10 million over ten years. why are you so interested in opening up borders to farmers when american workers have a hard enough time finding work?

>> first of all, this is an issue that's been debated now for 30 years. for 30 years, the issue of immigration has been about someone who's in this country, maybe they're here illegally, but they're looking for a job. this issue is not about that anymore. now this issue has to be about keeping america safe. here's why. there's a radical jihadist group that is manipulating our immigration system. not just green cards, they're recruiting people that enter this country as doctors and engineers and even fiancees. they understand the vulnerabilities we have on the southern border. they're looking to manipulate the visa waiver countries to get people into the united states. so our number one priority must now become ensuring that isis cannot get killers into the united states. so whether it's green cards or any other form of entry into america, when i'm president, if we do not know who you are or why you are coming, you are not going to get into the united states of america. >> so your thinking has changed? >> the issue is a dramatically different issue than it was 24 months ago. 24 months ago, 36 months ago,

you did not have a group of radical crazies named isis who were burning people in cages and recruiting people to enter our country legally. they have a sophisticated understanding of our legal immigration system, and we now have an obligation to ensure that they are not able to use that system against us. the entire system of legal immigration must now be re-examined for security first and foremost with an eye on isis, because they're recruiting people to enter this country as engineers, posing as doctors, posing as refugees. we know this for a fact. we've contacted trafficking networks in the western hemisphere, to get people in through the southern border. and they've got a killer in san bernardino posing as a fiancee. this issue now has to be about stopping isis entering the united states and when i'm president, we will. >> thank you, senator. >> but maria, radical islamic terrorism was not invented 24 months ago. 24 months ago, we had al qaeda, we had boca haram, we had hamas, we had hezbollah. we had iran putting operatives

in south america and central america. it's the reason why i stood with jeff sessions and steve king and led the fight to stop the gang of eight amnesty bill, because it was clear then like it's clear now that border security is national security. >> thanks, senator. >> but maria -- >> it is also the case that that rubio/schumer amnesty bill, one of the things it did, it expanded barack obama's power to let in syrian refugees. it enabled him, the president, to certify them en masse without mandating meaningful background checks. i think that's a mistake. that's why i've been leading the fight to stop it. and i would note, the senate just a few weeks ago voted to suspend refugees from middle eastern countries. i voted yes to suspend that, marco voted on the other side. you don't get to say, we need to secure the borders, and at the same time, try to give barack obama more authority to allow middle eastern refugees coming in, when the head of the fbi tells us, they cannot vet them to determine if they are isis

terrorists. >> maria, let me clear something up here. this is an interesting point, when you talk about immigration. ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you say that you're against it. you used to support a 500% increase in the number of guest workers. now you say that you're against it. you used to support legalizing people that were here illegally. now you say you're against it. you used to say that you were in favor of birthright citizenship. now you say that you are against it. and it's not just on immigration, you used to support tpa, now you say you're against it. i saw you on the senate floor flip your vote on crop insurance because they told you it would help you in iowa. and last week we all saw you flip your vote -- for the same reason. that is not consistent conservatism. that is political calculation. when i'm president, i will work consistently every single day to keep this country safe, not call everybody snowden, as you did, a great public servant. edward snowden is a traitor. and if i am president and we get our hands on him, he is standing trial for treason. and one more point.

every single time that there has been a defense bill in the senate, three people team up to vote against it. bernie sanders, rand paul, and ted cruz. in fact, the only budget you have ever voted for, ted, in your entire time in the senate is a budget from rand paul that brags about how it cuts defense. here's the bottom line, and i'll close with this, if i'm president of the united states and congress tries to cut the military, i will veto that in a millisecond. >> i'm going to get a response to that. there's no way he launches an attack -- >> wait, wait. >> he had no fewer than 11 attacks there. i appreciate your dumping your oppo research folder -- >> no, it's your record. >> do you think they like each other? >> -- half of the things that marco said are flat-out false. they're absolutely false. so let's start -- let's start with immigration. let's start with immigration and have a little bit of clarity. marco stood with chuck schumer and barack obama on amnesty.

i stood with jeff sessions and steve king. marco stood today, standing on this stage, marco supports legalization and citizenship for 12 million illegals. i opposed and oppose legalization and citizenship. and by the way, the attack he keeps throwing out on the military budget, marco knows full well, i voted for his amendment to increase military spending to $697 billion. what he said and he said it in the last debate, it's simply not true. and it's -- >> all right, gentleman -- >> -- as president i will rebuild the military -- >> i have to stop. i know you are very passionate about that. governor bush, fears have gripped this country, obviously, and you touched it on earlier, since the san bernardino attacks. since our last debate, the national conversation has changed according to facebook data as well. now, this first graphic shows the issues that were most talked about right before those attacks and now after. the issues of islam, homeland security, and isis, now loom

very large. the fbi says islam radicals are using social media to communicate and that they need better access to communication. as a ceo of apple, he says, private communication is private, period. do you agree or would you try to convince him otherwise? >> i would try to convince him otherwise, but this last back and forth between two senators, back bench senators, you know, it explains why we have the mess in washington, d.c. we need a president that will fix our immigration laws and stick with it, not bend with the wind. the simple fact is, one of the ways, maria, to solve the problem you described to narrow the number of families coming so that we have the best and the brightest that come to our country. we need to control the border and do all of this in a comprehensive way. not just going back and forth -- >> can you answer this question? >> i'll talk about that, too. but you haven't asked me a question in a while, neal, so i thought i would get that off my

chest. >> fair enough. >> so tim cook -- >> i got that. the problem today is there's no competence in washington, d.c. there needs to be more than just one meeting. there needs to be complete dialogue with the large technology companies. they understand there's a national security risk. we ought to give them a little bit of a liability relief, so they share dad amongst themselves and share data with the federal government, they're not fearful of a lawsuit. we need to make sure we keep the country safe. this is the first priority. the cybersecurity challenges that we face, this administration has failed us completely, completely. not just the hacking of opm, but that is just shameful. 23 million files in the hands of the chinese. so it's not just the government -- the private sector companies, it's also our own government that needs to raise the level of our game. we should put the nsa in charge of the civilian side of this, as well. that expertise needs to spread all across the government, and there needs to be much more cooperation with our private sector. >> but is tim cook telling you

no, mr. president? >> you've got to keep asking. this is a hugely important issue. if you can encrypt messages, isis can, over these platforms -- >> do you ask or do you order? >> well, if the law would change, yeah. i think there has to be recognition that if we -- if we are too punitive, then you'll go to other technology companies outside of the united states. and what we want to do is to control this. we also want to dominate this from a commercial side. so there's a lot of balanced interests. but the president leads in this regard. that's what we need. we need leadership. someone who has a backbone and sticks with things, rather than just talks about them as they will anything matters when you're talking about amendments that don't even actually are part of a bill that ever passed. >> governor, thank you. >> when we come right back, closing statements. stay with us. was engineered...

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welcome back. candidates, it is time for your closing statement. you get 60 seconds each. john kasich, we begin with you. >> you know, in our country, there are a lot of people who feel they just don't have the power. you know, they feel like they don't have a lobbyist if they're not wealthy, that somehow they don't get to play. but all of my career, you know, having been raised in a -- by a mailman father, whose father was a coal miner and died of black lung who was losing his eyesight, or a mother who barely could speak english. all of my career i thought of giving voice to the people i grew up with, and voice to the people who elected me. whether it's welfare reform and getting something back for the hard-earned taxpayers. whether it's engaging in pentagon reform and taking on the big contractors that were charging thousands of dollars for hammers and screwdrivers and

ripping us off. or whether it's taking on the the nursing home industry in ohio, so mom and dad can have the ability to stay in their own home rather than being forced into a nursing home. that's who i stand up for. that's who's in my mind's eye. if you really want to believe that you can get your voice back, i will tell you, as i have all my career, i will continue to fight for you, because you're the ones that built this country, and will carry it into the future. thank you. [ applause ] >> governor bush? >> who can you count on to keep us safer, stronger and freer. results count. as governor, i pushed florida up to the top in terms of jobs, income, and small business growth. detailed plans count. and i believe that the plan i've laid out to destroy isis before the tragedies of san bernardino and paris are the right ones. credibility counts. there will be people here who will talk about what they're going to do. i've done it. i ask for your support to build

together a safer and stronger america. [ applause ] >> governor chris christie. >> thank you for a great debate tonight, maria. when i think of the folks at home tonight watching, and i think about what they had to watch this week, this spectacle they had to watch on the flor of the house of representatives, the president of the united states who talked a fantasy land about the way they're feeling. they know that this country is not respected around the world anymore, and they know that this country is pushing the middle class, the hard-working taxpayers backwards. they saw a president who doesn't understand their pain. doesn't have any plan for getting away from it. i love this country. it's the most exceptional country the world's ever known. we need someone to fight for those people. we need a fighter for this country again. i fight for justice and to protect people from crime and terrorism. fighting to stand up for folks who have not had enough, and

need an opportunity to get more. and to stand up and fight against the special interests. but here's the best way that we're going to make america much more exceptional. it is to make sure we put someone on the stage in september who will fight hillary clinton and make sure she never, ever gets in the white house again. i'm the man who can bring us together to do that and i ask for your vote. [ applause ] >> dr. ben carson. >> you know what, in recent travels around this country, i've encountered so many americans who are discouraged and angry as they watch our freedom, our security, and the american dream slipping away under an unresponsive government that is populated by bureaucrats and special interest groups. we're not going to solve this problem with traditional politics. the only way we're going to solve this problem is with we the people. and i ask you to join me in truth, in honesty, and

integrity. ben carson.com. we will heal, inspire, and revive america for our children. [ applause ] >> senator marco rubio. >> you know, 200 years ago, america was founded on this powerful principle that our rights don't come from government. our rights come from god. that's why we embrace free enterprise. it made us the most prosperous people in the history of the world. that's why we embrace individual liberty. the result was the american era. now as i travel the country, people say what i feel. this country needs changing. it feels different. we feel like we're being left behind and left out. in 2008 we elected as president someone who wasn't interested in fixing america. we elected someone as president who wants to change america. who wants to make it more like the rest of the world. so he undermines the constitution. and he undermines free enterprise by expanding government. and he betrays our allies and

cuts deals with our enemies. that's why 2016 is a turning point in our industry. if we elect hillary clinton, the next four years will be worse than the last eight and our children will be the first in american history to inherit a reclining country. this nation will be stronger, and greater, than it has ever been. [ applause ] >> senator ted cruz. >> 13 hours, tomorrow morning, a new movie will debut. about the incredible bravery of the men fighting for their lives in benghazi, and the politicians that abandoned them. i want to speak to all our fighting men and women. i want to speak to all the moms and dads whose sons and daughters are fighting for this country and the incredible sense of betrayal when you have a commander in chief who will not speak the name of our enemy. when you have a commander in

chief who sends $150 billion to the eye dole la khomeini who is responsible for murdering our men and women. hillary clinton apologizes for saying all lives matter. this will end. it will end on january 2017. and if i am elected president to every soldier and sailor and airman and marine and every police officer and firefighter and first responder who risk their lives to keep us safe, i will have your back. [ applause ] >> mr. donald trump. >> i stood yesterday with 75 construction workers. they're tough. they're strong. they're great people. half of them had tears pouring down their face. they were watching the humiliation of our young ten

sailors sitting on the floor with their knees in a begging position, their hands up, and iranian wise guys having guns to their heads. it was a terrible sight. a terrible sight. and the only reason we got them back is because we owed them with a stupid deal, $150 billion. if i'm president, there won't be stupid deals anymore. we will make america great again. we will win on everything we do. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> gentlemen, thank you all. all of you. that wraps up our debate. we went a little over here. all right. thank you for joining us. much more to come in the spin room ahead. >> our special coverage of the sixth republican debate live right here on the fox business network.

i'm greg gutfeld. with twice the electrolytes. here's what's coming up. the republican debate, who shined, who bombed and who went home hungry. we've got the analysis that's so fierce you'll want to play it over and over and over and over and over again. plus, hillary clinton. her lead in the polls, dropping faster than a cartoon state. can bernie sanders pass her by or will he stay like an old copy of high society. and later, when actors are poised to win the first oscars this year. i'm putting my money on jeremy piven. the citizen cane of entourage movies. i missed you, america. i have surgery in two hoursnd