earnings as well. >> that's right, iowa as well. not number one or number two but who's coming in number third. who's dropping out of the race and who those votes are going to. >> hank? >> i'm looking at mike bloomberg because he may be the answer to independents alienated by both parties. on the buzz beater, from des moines, we're down to the wire. after a high stakes battle between donald trump and fox news. >> would you they right now donald trump, all right, is a person who can let petty things -- that's what i think this is all about, petty things, influence him to the extent that he doesn't do what he should do? >> well, let me put it a little differently. i like being taken advantage of. i don't like that. >> what's interesting here is

trump is not used to not controlling things as the chief executive of a large organization. but the truth is, he doesn't get to control the media. >> i think he's playing a game of chicken with fox and i think fox is not necessarily the network to do that, they're not necessarily going to back down. they have been backing megyn kelly throughout the entire campaign. >> is trump's boycott hurting or helping him and what's the impact on fox? was his decision really about megyn kelly? and -- >> i'm a maniac. and everyone on this stage is stupid, fat and ugly. and ben, you're a terrible surgeon. now that we've gotten the donald trump portion out of the way. >> what about the debate? with ted cruz, marco rubio and their rivals. we'll talk the moderators bret baier and chris wallace. hillary clinton hit by damaging new headlines about her e-mails as she's trying to avoid

an embarrassing upset and bernie sanders ripped "the washington post." is the press finally taking this race seriously? and why do we all grant this small rural state so much power in choosing a president? i'm howard kurtz and this is "#mediabuzz." there's no question that donald trump stole the spotlight before the fox news google debate here in iowa, monopolizing the potential audience for a trumpless debate. >> what donald did is make this line in the sand which was preposterous for him to do over -- what was megyn kelly going to do? go up there and whack him around? it's ridiculous. >> well, look, he's gotten what he wanted to get which is

blanket wall-to-wall coverage of him. blocking out everything else going up to the debate. that was well played. >> whose a going to watch a debate between the two cuban guys? who's going to watch the debate between marco rubio and ted cruz? who cares? >> when cruz, rubio, carson, bush, paul and kasich took the stage, trump was doing a veterans fund-raiser across town and megyn kelly talked about the elephant not in the room. >> fox has been extremely nice and the last number of hours actually. and they wanted me there. they said how about now? when you're treated badly, you have to stick up for your rights. >> donald trump has chosen not to attend this evening's presidential debate. what message do you think that sends to the voters of iowa? >> trump had made a last minute

offer to show up if fox donated millions to the charities. just one day before the caucuses, joining us is mercedes schlapp. and kirstin power, a fox contributor who worked in the clinton administration. and heidi przybyla from "usa today." so trump pulling out of the debate after instigating this war of words was one more crazy twist in a crazy campaign. what was the impact on the media coverage this week? >> well, first of all, talk about taking out the natural order of politics and media. how could a front-runner not show up to the debate, but he pulled it off. it was a win-win i think for both fox and for donald trump. donald trump obviously got covered by cnn and msnbc and they got about 2 million folks watching. i think the msnbc host chris hayes was -- i think he was so defeated having to share a split screen with donald trump.

with that being said, it was probably a smart strategy for donald trump. you avoided the ugly confrontation with megyn kelly and a smart tactic by fox news, the video footages of the candidates which kept the candidates on and off their game a little bit. that would have been interesting to see how donald trump would have reacted. >> we'll come back to that. so kirsten did trump win or lose by blowing off the only debate in iowa, the only chance for iowans to see him in his own state -- their own state? some said it was brilliant. >> when he first announced it, most people had the feeling this wasn't a great idea, so he can make his closing arguments to those who haven't make a decision, but by the end of the debate, most people thought that trump was winning because he was -- look, front-runners don't like to do debates when you're ahead, no reason to go into the

situation that people are coming after you. in that sense he didn't have to deal with that whether it was megyn, i don't think she goes after him or whether it was ted cruz who had had some really -- had landed some punches on him in previous debates. i think the media said this is probably going to work for donald trump. >> let me get over my shock here, heidi. this was a terrible move by donald trump, the initial reaction, and then as it plays out a very good move by donald trump. have sween this movie before -- we seen this movie before? >> let me share with you, i was in the room, the media genius of donald trump and what he pulled it off. what has -- >> you were in the room -- >> at the trump event. yes. if i bailed it on your debate, would lose millions of viewers and advertisers and yet for us, media members who were in the room, this is what he did. first of all, he gave a preinterview to cnn and he said, look, at all of the cameras are coming me. ales is still calling me on the phone. as a reporter i'm tweeting out

and i'm asking, folks, is this still being covered live? i don't know. but he's pulling it off, everybody. that is kind of the snowball that got rolling. then the first part of the debate was on trump. so it was off to the races. >> which to give fox news credit the mere fact there were 12.5 million viewer, a substantive debate, they were able to talk about issues as opposed to have personality conflicts. >> i do want to come back to, you know, trump has conducted this sort of on and off war of words against megyn kelly and she has not hit back. she has tried to stick to her role as a journalist, but she's been flooded with online abuse of a nature that's very troubling. >> which donald trump has retweeted a couple of the comments of kelly a bimbo or one of the supporters calling her a bimbo. attack her if you want on the -- on the style of her journalism or her line of questioning, but,

you know, here it is. donald trump he's got a wife and daughters. i don't think he'd initiate anyone calling his wife or -- appreciate anyone calling his wife or daughters a bimbo. i think it's unfortunate he had to insult her that way. >> i know women are a target of a lot of these things. there was a website that looked at the thousands of comments posted about megyn kelly, leaving aside the pictures. the words most often used, bimbo 420 times, bitch, ugly, whore, skank. it was all personal and appearance based. >> this is pure misogyny. and megyn has experienced it times a million. this is what happens when people don't like what you're saying and liberals do it too. it's not just trump supporters. i have had keith olbermann do it to me online. people want the go to the fact

that you're a bimbo or you're stupid or other words -- >> we don't want to repeat. >> what trump has done. he called her a lightweight. so you know is a another word for bimbo. it's not accurate. you know what i mean? and then he's retweeting bimbo. so he's not actually saying the word, but he's letting people know this is what i want people to think about her. whatever you want to say about megyn because i work here, anyone who watches her, argue about some substantive problems but there's nobody who could think she's a lightweight. >> the -- he specifically said, trump did say on twitter he wouldn't call her a bimbo, but then he retweeted that tweet. there were some people who believed that trump didn't want to do this debate. one of them voiced this view, msnbc's lawrence o'donnell. >> donald trump is afraid of

megyn kelly. he's more afraid of hillary clinton and of bernie sanders and that is why he pulled out of the fox news debate. >> well, the idea that he's afraid to debate, he's had six pretty successful debates and he's going to use that to duck any fall debates against any nominee if he wins? >> i don't donald trump is afraid of anybody, but when it comes to front-runners it doesn't benefit you to do a dekuwait when you're in the lead. and trump had neutralized cruz, he knocked him back on his heels. there was no strategic reason why he would want to be in a debate. that's why we're seei bernie sanders fight with hillary clinton over doing a debate. >> did he use that as a pretext? >> he picked a fight with fox as i understand it. >> a losing fight with fox. he knew fox wouldn't pull back

their anchor. i have to say, i'm sorry, but when fox issued that statement it gave him the perfect cover to say you're mistreating me. this is about my dignity. i'm not going to show. >> let's go a little broader here, kirsten. a lot of commentators see this as a war for supremacy between trump and the people who love him and his candidacy and a guy who's taking on and trying to whip the republican establish and fox news which is pretty influential on the right. >> yeah. well, i mean, what's interesting about it, fox whichb hack this sort of -- which has been the sort of the outsider organization is now being cast as the establishment. as if fox is nbc news or something. really being treated that by trump supporters. so we have moved into this bizarro world that trump created, if you disagree with him you're establishment. >> and by the way, it's not something to disagree with,

they're asking him questions. he's just being asked questions like any other candidate would be asked. >> trump does get criticized by the more prominent conservative commentators. jonah goldberg, steve hayes. then national review and rich laurie which devoted a whole issue trying to say he's not a real conservative. those aren't the only conservative voices and some are sympathetic to donald trump. >> the supporters who are not -- trump is not happy with fox, trump supporters are not happy with fox. what's happening is, for example, like rush limbaugh and mark levin, laura ingraham, and breitbart they have been more sympathetic towards trump and what his movement is doing and that's impacting the electorate. you have a conservative grass roots base that really -- they're listening to the talk radio. they're mad at fox. especially those trump supporters when trump is not

happy with the network. >> briefly, heidi, trump is not only running against fox, but politico and others and he singles them out for treatment when he feels he's being treated unfairly. >> it's almost as if anyone who disagrees with him becomes the gop establishment. on a humorous note, did you know one of the highest google searches the night of the debate was gop establishment. what is gop establishment? it's basically anybody who disagrees with trump. >> i think the establishment ask down to about 12 -- is down to about 12 people with gray hair. so much doing this in iowa. when we come back, how the media played the trump-free debate especially the grilling of ted cruz and marco rubio. later, bret baier and chris wallace weigh in on behind the scenes drama of preparing for two scenarios with and without the dan ald. but if we want to p the soda pop flowing we need fresh ideas! >>got it. we slow, we die. >>what about cashing out? no! i'm trying to build something here. >>how about using fedex ground for shipping? >>i don't need some kid telling me how to run a business!

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we're back here with the panel in downtown des moines. let's turn to the fox debate itself. kirsten powers, the journalistic consensus is that ted cruz because he was on the defensive about immigration and got in a couple of spats with chris wallace. >> i think ted cruz is best when he has donald trump as a foil and he can show his debating skills and in the last debate it got under trump's skin. so in a weird way, having trump not there which should have given him an opportunity actually hurt him. >> and the journalistic consensus is as well that marco rubio won. but he was also on the defensive over immigration and he was the subject of a video montage. a series of shifting statements

on the issue of illegal immigration. >> i think that was a great montage, but marco rubio won because attend of the -- at the end of the day he was so fast on his feet. he did not get pinned down on what is absolutely true which is that he's changed his position on immigration. and i think that cruz, you know, we as a media we like to brand a winner and a loser. and even though marco rubio may not have been the most victorious winner, ted cruz was the loser. you saw the "des moines register" headline the next day. marco rubio is the next highest in the polls, he got a lot of air time. he became the winner. >> right. this is getting nasty. neil cavuto did an interview with senator rubio that's going to air at 1:00 p.m. today, in which he's complaining about a new ted cruz ad and he said the ad is quite deceitful. so it's really getting up there. now, as far as the way that the winners and losers thing play, i think this was a hard debate to

pick winners and losers. some said that jeb bush had a great night and at the same time, it wasn't a slam dunk for any of them. i think it was hard fore the press to score it. >> i think the press felt that jeb bush did good job and i think for the most part his campaign has been thinking, thank goodness, why didn't he show up in the first debate? >> where in the world was he? >> but again, the press is covering it as rubio has the momentum in iowa -- >> even though he's in third place? >> well, honing in on his faith, crowds and enthusiasm, he's doing very well in iowa. maybe third or second place. >> the "des moines register" poll came out, cruz has a lead over trump. hillary with a three-point lead over bernie sanders. that's pretty tight. let's go around quickly. this is a largely civil debate

except for a couple of patches. then some journalists said it was tepid, vanilla. has trump changed the rules of the game so that people now want, you know, the kind of more raucous reality tv version? >> yes. >> okay. >> when you look at the twitt twitter -- you know, the postings. again, like the social media barometer was that even that trump wasn't there, he was getting the most mentions on twitter. even though he didn't have the audience either like you said. he had 2.7 million viewers, fox had way more. people were kind of missing that. even jeb bush at a certain point seemed -- >> this morning donald trump was saying how incredibly powerful twitter and facebook has been in his campaign. his ability to drive the message. that has worked incredibly well for trump. >> like he has own television station. >> if the presidential gig thing doesn't work, he should call his own organization and call it

trump's for eyes only. >> see you a bit later. ahead on the special edition from iowa the press gearing up for the hillary/bernie showdown and a race that was supposed to be a cake walk. and then the deep down coverage of this crazy week.

let's drill down the strange events of this week, leading up to donald trump's disappearance from the debate stage. trump and his campaign are pleased in their view that fnc's ratings weren't as high as hay could have been. of course his campaign manager had predicted it would only draw 2 million, but it drew in 12 million. and the trump team is pleased about avoiding megyn kelly,

although they later said it was a sarcastic press release about his filling his cabinet with twitter followers that pushed trump into boycotting the event. but that statement came in response to trump's repeated attacks on megyn and fox had to uphold the core principle of journalism. in the last minute corporations with fox news chairman roger ailes, he would show up after all if the company donated $5 million to veterans causes. this was the trump as the negotiator. trying to get something that would allow him to declare victory, but as fox said, quote, we explained that was not possible and we could not engage in a quid pro quo. one clear winner, megyn kelly who "washington post" writing sorry trump, megyn kelly is a fantastic debater. and salon said, megyn kelly just crushed the debate. trump's interview over the weekend with chris wallace

suggests that the trump/fox war may have proved to be another skirmish. now to the media microscope. trump almost two-thirds of the media attention in top mainstream outlets according to the new analytics company. ted cruz got one-quarter of the mention. marco rubio less than 5%. but on friday, the day after the debate, trump was down ten points to 56 points, and cruz was down five points and marco rubio's coverage more than doubled to 12%. plus, the media coverage got less negative rubio a bit more negative for the other two but donald trump still dominating whether he's on the debate stage or not. next on "#mediabuzz," chris wallace and bret baier on why they used the video clips in the debate and what they would have done had donald trump showed up.

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once the predebate was over, two hours of questions were unleashed with why marco rubio was the gop savior. >> within two years of getting elected, you were cosponsoring legislation to create a path to citizenship in your words, amnesty. haven't you already proven you cannot be trusted on this issue? >> no, because if you look at the quote and it's specific and it says blanket amnesty. >> if you look at the recent average of polls in your home state of florida you're in third, trailing donald trump by 24 points. if the people who know you best have you there, why should the rest of the country elect you? >> let me clear about one thing. there's only one savior and it's not me. it's jesus christ who came down to earth and died for our sins.

>> chris, i would note that the last four questions have been rand, please attack ted, marco, please attack ted, jeb, please attack ted. let me just say this. >> it is a debate, sir. >> well, no, no, a debate is a policy issue, but i will say this. gosh, if you guys say -- ask one more mean question, i may have to leave the stage. >> i sat down here in iowa with bret baier, the anchor of "special report" and chris wallace of "fox news sunday." >> welcome. this was surreal. up until 15 minutes before the debate started, you didn't know if donald trump would swoop on the stage. what did that do to the weeks of preparation? >> it came to the end of the debate and we had literally two stacks of questions. one that said without trump and one that said with trump. we were carrying them to the stage and the most surreal conversation was when we turned

to each other and said, well, maybe we'll just ad-lib it. that didn't go over too well. >> on a human level as this was swirling around you, would he show up, wouldn't he show up, the last minute sniping between donald trump and fox news was it a big distraction? >> a big no. distraction, absolutely. we had spent at least two weeks preparing for a trump debate. a debate including donald trump. for two days we had spent time prepare fork a debate without trump. there were two times in the afternoon, there were conversations going on and we suddenly were -- where were the trump questions i threw out two days away? and what would i ask him if? it was like playing three dimensional chess, what's my

plan, if he's there, and what's the plan if he's not there. >> these things are choreographed. you want it to be fluid and breathe, but we have slots. we ask questions in a certain order. and when you throw a different puzzle piece in there, it changes the whole thing. >> how did you feel, bret first, as megyn kelly's friend and colleague, as this week went on and he continued to hammer her? >> well, listen, megyn handled it i think wonderfully. she took the high road all throughout. i think -- you know, it's tough to read some of that stuff and the tweets and you feel like piping up. but megyn's a big girl and she defends herself. i think obviously she was prepared either way. >> you have interviewed trump, you have interviewed, we all try to be fair to him. but it's an unusual situation when it gets so personal between the presidential candidate and one of your -- >> that's what i was going to say. lord knows any political reporter who does their job gets

slapped by candidates. i remember in 20111 -- i think it was a perfectly legitimate question of newt gingrich of why is your campaign such a mess, everyone was quitting, they were losing money, he said i'm sick of your mickey mouse questions and 3,000 people started to boo me. >> i remember it well. >> and remind me of it often. and the point is this has taken on a completely different level of personal vitriol. that's made it so different and uncomfortable. i can't even imagine what she's had to go through and for us, who love and respect megyn and don't want to see it happen to the colleague. >> she's a pro. >> yeah. the video montages of ted cruz and marco rubio and apparently shifting statements on immigration reform over the years. was there some unease,

hesitation, debate about whether playing the video clips was the way to go? >> i think there was some hesitation, about whether they'd be heard or edited the right way, whether it would come off the right way. and to megyn's credit she said -- i think this is an important part of asking the question. we then saw the clips and said, you know that is powerful in and of itself. and everybody signed off on it. i think, you know, there was one for donald trump had he appeared. i don't know, we may play it on "special report." we'll see. >> it becomes harder for the candidate to brush it off if people see it in their own words. >> i was not a particular plan of the idea because it seemed to be singling people out. even though we were going to go it to do to three candidates, cruz and rubio and trump. i think it was got such a conversation going. it's something we do routinely on "special report" or "fox news

sunday." wait a minute, senator, here's what you said two weeks ago. i have at not seen it in the debate. i'll be surprised if you ever see a debate without it. >> you got into it with ted cruz. he was complaining that you were inviting other candidates to criticize or attack him and you pushed back. >> well, yeah. i kind of laughed. i said it's a debate, sir. and then he came back and he said, yeah, it's not personal attack, it should be about policy. what i had been asking about was foreign policy and votes he had taken and statements he had made on the floor. i don't know what could be more policy than that. >> and then he told that joke about well, maybe i'll leave the stage. >> it was not a great moment for him. look, and i think the general review, conventional wisdom, it was not a good night for him -- for ted cruz. rough night for cruz was the headline in the "des moines register" friday night and i think part of it was because of that. he was the lead dog. he was the front-runner in the

room. he didn't seem to step up. >> in the room without donald trump. >> right. both of you and megyn kelly were tough on the candidates. even though you have done this it in this campaign, there was some buzz out, fox news is aggressively questioning the republican candidates and some don't like it. >> they're used to it by now and all candidates are pressed. i think we balanced it out well with substantive policy and pointing out electability issues. these are things that if they don't come up now, they would come up in a general election. maybe in a much different format. >> i was going to say, anybody who was surprised by our tenor and the way we held these candidates' feets to the fire are people who don't watch fox news. the toughest single interview in this election cycle has been bret's interview on "special report" of ted cruz. look, we treat the guys all the same, republicans, democrats.

the only problem is that a lot of the democrats won't come on our air. and, you know, yet we'd be tough on them, but no tougher than we are on republicans. >> chris wallace, and bret baier, thank you for joining us in iowa. >> thank you. well behind the scenes of the debate. we'll talk to the top reporter of who tv about the debate. and is the press rooting for a hillary clinton loss here in iowa? morrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in utica, where a new kind of workforce is being trained. and in albany, the nanotechnology capital of the world. let us help grow your company's tomorrow, today at business.ny.gov

hillary clinton was hit with a barrage of negative ideas as she's set to stave off bernie sanders tomorrow. the obama administration confirming reports on fox news and in "the new york times" that the 22 of the e-mails are so damaging they cannot be released. that happened after the sit down with lester holt. >> anything can happen, why shouldn't the american people worry about this hanging over your head as you move ahead? >> the facts have remained the same. there was never any information sent or received that was marked classified to me. >> joining us now here in des moines is ed henry, the fox news white house correspondent and the e-mail scandal has been dogging her all year.

but the top secret e-mails that can't be released is this a dramatic news story or more incremental? >> i think it's more incremental, but where it makes a difference is that hillary clinton keeps saying this is the republicans out to get me. these leaks are targeting me. hang on a second. this one came from the state department which last i checked is run by democrats. number one. number two, that short clip you played where she said the facts will remain the same, go back to the transcript at the united nations on the server. a few facts have changed since then. >> mercedes, hillary clinton said in the interview in the last few days yes she was sorry this happened. >> right. >> but not because she had done anything wrong. but because her critics had made such a huge fuss about it. remember that was the whole drama for month, would she apologize, not apologize? >> hillary clinton wants this to be a process story. she wants to blame the intelligence community, the intelligence community going amok. for her that's where her

strategy is. she does not want to claim responsibility for these e-mails in any way. >> she wants to neutralize the coverage. >> absolutely. she's trying to neutralize the coverage with the media. >> this was a bad mistake. look at what a big role this played in her presidential campaign. but do you think some conservative commentators are going over board in the way they describe this situation? >> people are saying she's going to be indicted, it's only a matter of time before she's indicted. i don't think the facts bear that out. if you're looking at it objectively. and people keep bringing up david petraeus. look at what happened with david petraeus, well, david petraeus knew that the information was classified. hillary may have known, but you have to get tone the state of mind with her. at this point i don't think we can show for sure she knew it was classified, but after the fact. one more thing, even if she is charged, david petraeus is charged with a misdemeanor.

this idea that -- >> but he's not running for president. >> no, this is a legal issue though. the idea that she's going to be in the orange jumpsuit -- >> is this more of a narrative on fox than throughout -- >> more on fox. >> well, the new york times is covering it. >> they're covering the issue, not saying an indictment is around the corner. >> but you know better than i, democrats are saying she might edge past bernie sanders here in iowa. he might win new hampshire, it will be a wash. and down south she'll win with the african-american vote. i underline the word if, if she's indicted, are the democrats left holding the bag? >> do you have the sense that the press, not because the journalists don't hillary clinton or don't love bernie sanders, they'd love to see an upset here in iowa? it's the inevitable coronation, it turns it into a real race? >> i think to a certain extent. look at the editorials of "the new york post" and the "des

moines register" they're endorsing hillary clinton. i think it's opinion, and if they want to see bernie sanders -- if this movement is organic, if it's not just energy and enthusiasm but translates into the vote. >> you set me up for the next question, bernie sanders was at a bloomberg breakfast and it said that many of the policy proposals were based on fiction, and here is bernie sanders's response. >> "the washington post" to express concern that the middle class was shrinking. we have to create an economy that works for the middle class and whether or not "the washington post" likes it or not that's what i intend to do. >> this is the harshest criticism that bernie sanders has gotten. >> and then "the washington post" had another editorial saying it's not that we don't think you're radical, your ideas make no sense.

bernie sanders is fired up. he's a more serious candidate than "the new york times" or fox thought he would be six months ago. so people are looking at -- at him more closely. they're scrutinizing what he's actually for. you have may think that single payer health care is a wonderful idea. how much will it cost? it's a lot of money. >> kirsten, i would say about time. this is not pro or anti-bernie, but 52% top tax rate, raising taxes on the middle class although he said that would be balance by paying less insurance. journalists didn't scrutinize this. he could be a helpless long shot. >> even if he's a hopeless long shot he's a serious candidate and he's one of the two major democratic candidates. so they should have been paying more attention to him. i don't really think it's -- >> but he's drawing huge crowds. >> but the selection is about personality over policy. nobody wants to get into the policy -- >> the clinton people didn't take him seriously either. typically at the end of iowa so

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for journalis here in iowa covering the caucuses every four years it's like the super bowl and the world series wrapped into one. joining us is dave price political director and weekend anchor at who tv here in des moines. how is the way that you and your station cover this race different from what you see in the national media coverage. >> we have to drill it down. we don't have any choice here. i was a great pickup purple state. we can elect josh george bush one near and barack obama the anotherr next year. >> the purple tie. >>. huge story where governor branstad, what says she is neutral, comes flat out and told me he wants ted cruz defeated because of previous opposition to conscious. >> does that mean the thing that the national media obsess on get

less attention here in iowa? >> i would say probably not. trump is still leading the newscasts all over the place. i think he still gets a lot of attention. >> that's interesting. because donald trump does the big rallies, across the country, obviously he has done some in iowa and the last few days in iowa, and the importance of the tv debates, is this going to # 9 counties, going to the coffee shops, going to the county fairs does that justify the iowa caucuses? >> if you look at the candidates who have been here the most, huckabee, santorelli and o'malley, none of those candidates are going to win. cruz has been doing some of that. you know, to kind of push towards that 99 counties. but no doubt it's blown up the cycle. >> it's blown up and maybe it will change for future campaigns as well as people look at what worked and what didn't work in

this television age. now you've heard this before, you have written a book on the caucuses. this is a small rural mostly white state, kind of an unrepresentative state. why should the media give so much weight to the iowa caucuses just because your state by tradition goes forward. >> it doesn't. perhaps it's better from the umtd democratic side than the republican side. people from iowa will say that if you look at george bush and barack obama the last two two-term presidents they witness to iowa caucuses first. >> other people say huckabee, santorum won and -- >> didn't become president. that's how people will look at it. you do get so see how the candidates interact one on one like this. you know, giuliani is beat up for how he ran in '08 where he maybe is doing some of the things that trump is doing now. come and give a big speech. in fact he did one in this

building, showed up an hour late, didn't apologize and didn't go over that well. >> people take thing this serio is a good thing. still to come, why i'm buzzed off about the media's failure about the toxic water sfli in the michigan town of flynn. stay with us. hey!

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to cover by sundown. we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. yeah, i was ok, but after lunch my knee started hurting again so... more pills. yep... another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? for my pain... i want my aleve. get all day minor arthritis pain relief with an easy open cap. poison water supplin flint, michigan, custom is a national disgrace and hardly the media's fine u.s. hour. the local journalist curt guy yet did the most to cover the outrage but he was working for the aclu, not the news organization. msnbc touched on the problem. the times ran two follow up pieces in october. public editor margaret says the

paper dropped the ball. had their been serious digging public officials might have been shamed into taking action before they did and could have prevented human suffering. while the paper has limited resources, some of these resources were sent on articles such as lumber sensuals and the other movements. good for north sullivan. that's it for this edition of "mediabuzz." has word has gotten out that fox is broadcasting from the embassy suites a lot of people have come down. they are sophisticated about the candidates and the media. it has been an education and it's one of the reasons that the caucuses do good for the organization. for more information on the horse races, it's nice to meet folks who really care about the substance of the candidates positions. give us a like on our facebook

page. we respond to your questions, "mediabuzz" at fox news.com. next sunday 11 eastern, 10 a.m. here in iowa. we'll be in new hampshire. we'll see you then with the latest buzz. happy sunday. as harris would say. welcome to a special edition of "outnumbered" on this sunday. i'm an tritreea tantaros. we're here today because tomorrow it is on. like really on. the first presidential nominating contest in the country. here with us today fauk fauk. sandra smith, democratic strategist and fox news contributor julie roginsky is back. and today's hash taq tag, one lucky guy, syndicated columnist and former republican presidential candidate, herman cain. >> what can i say. >> his latest