here because we're looking out for you. breaking tonight. campaign trail chaos in south carolina, where the race for the white house is white hot and getting truly bizarre. good evening and welcome to "the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly. today, we went from candidates barking like dogs to photo shopped pictures of president obama and a fight with the pope. we began the week thusly. >> i'm trying to figure out how to do that with the republicans. oh, the great recession was caused by too much regulation. [ barking like dog ] you know if >> but that was just the start. ted cruz ran an ad pointing out that donald trump was once very pro choice, playing clips of

trump in his own words. trump then threatened to sue cruz. then senator cruz upped the ante. >> we will bring a lawsuit. he's a lying guy, a really lying guy. some people misrepresent. this guy is just a plain out liar. >> mr. trump, you have been threatening frivolous lawsuits for your entire adult life. even in the annals of frivolous lawsuits this takes the cake. >> and he threatened to take donald trump's deposition personally. today, we awoke to this, an image released by the cruz campaign showing marco rubio shaking hands with president obama. team rubio immediately said it's a fake, and the cruz camp at first kind of denied it. >> if someone says something about me that suspect true, i need to respond. if you don't, a voter may think that's your position. they may think that's a real picture.

>> and why limit the fighting to just the candidates when you can drag the pope into this mess? last night, a reporter decided to weigh in on donald trump's suggestion that the pontiff may be a pawn of the mexican government. and he asked about trump's plan to secure the border. listen. >> translator: a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not of building bridges, is not christian. i say only that this man is not christian if he has said things like that. >> he went on to say, but i give him the benefit of the doubt. did the reporter ask about democrats and their position on abortion when they had the pontiff right there? no. did they frame the question fairly to the pope? a leading catholic group says no. when pressed, mr. trump offered not those rebuttals but decided to condemn the behavior of the leader of a billion catholics as "a disgrace." >> for a religious lead tore

question a person's faith is disgraceful. they're using the pope as a pawn, and they should be ashamed of themselves. that's the mexican government. they should be ashamed for doing so. >> hi, welcome to south carolina. joining me now, mark tiesen, stuart stevens, and charles hurt, a political columnist with "the washington times." gentlemen, welcome. so let's just start with that last bit, the dustup between trump and the pope which is artificial in many ways, because a reporter decided to make his own assertions about trump's position, dangle it in front of the pope and the pope says i give him the benefit of the doubt. now trump's calling his behavior disgraceful and says a leader, a leader would never question a man's faith, but i give you the

following, and then i'll let you take it from there, mark. watch. >> no leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. i'm presbyterian. that's down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. i mean, 7th day adventists, i don't know about. i just don't know about. just remember this, you got to remember, in all fairness, to the best of my knowledge, not too many evangelicals come out of cuba, okay? i think he's going to go down. a guy can't be -- i'm a christian. and i -- [ applause ] but ted holds up the bible and then he lies about so many things. [ laughter ] >> mark? >> donald trump ought to heed the gospel that he who is without sin cast the first stone. he's been questioning

everybody's faith now, and all of a sudden is outraged that someone is questioning my faith. but that's the donald trump show. is it going to hurt him? probably not going to hurt him. look, what are we talking about tonight? are we talking about the fact that nikki haley just endorsed marco rubio? no. we're talking about donald trump and the pope. the pope allowed donald trump to focus the message back on to himself, which is his sweet spot in the campaign. and in south carolina, is a very conservative evangelical state, getting attacked by a liberal pope is probably not going to hurt and might help a little bit. this is unfortunately a win for donald trump. >> in defense of pope francis, it really is unclear whether he meant to attack donald trump. we don't have time to play out the whole thing. but it is unclear. charlie, let me ask you, because right now, donald trump is leading. fox news poll just came out a couple of hours ago. he is leading nationally and in south carolina.

here's the national lead, you can see it here. 36%. next closest is ted cruz at 19%, making that nbc poll look very much like an outlier we saw last night. and then in south carolina, trump's got a significant lead, as well. you can see 32% over his next closest competitor at 19%. he leads among those republicans who say they would never vote for him, 40% say never, no way, no how. jeb bush is in second. it looks like trump, not with standing the latest controversy, is cruising ahead to securing this nomination. >> yeah, and the biggest problem for ted cruz here is that south carolina is a state that is tailor made for ted cruz. ted cruz should win in south carolina. and the fact that donald trump, who is not -- is certainly not an evangelical -- >> i'm a presbyterian, he says.

>> he's a protestant. given those facts, donald trump should not -- shouldn't be doing well at all, let alone womping the field here. so if all this bears out and he wins in south carolina going forward, ted cruz is going to have to figure out if you can't win in south carolina, where are you going to win? >> stuart, you've been involved in campaigns, including mitt romney's in south carolina. is this the craziest you've ever seen? >> they're always crazy. in mardi gras -- in new orleans, they have mardi gras, in south carolina they have republican primaries. democratic primaries are weird, too. it's just the way it is. they love it, and i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. the worst thing is apathy. i think what's most striking about the last couple of days is for the first time we saw someone hold a press conference, ted cruz, and lay out a bill of particulars against donald

trump. he began to prosecute him. what i've been astounded by in this race is why hasn't that happened sooner? if you want to match up against someone, you should be holding events every day with a different message. there are plenty of different subjects to hit donald trump on. and you have to keep adding. you can't hit him one day and stop. you have to prosecute him, prosecute him, prosecute him. i think ted cruz could be good at that, but you have to stick with it. >> mark, why do you think the republicans haven't been doing much of that? >> it is ironic, because if you remember, and stuart knows this very well, in 2012, by this time in south carolina, newt gingrich had a movie out attacking mitt romney's business record, saying he was a corporate raider who benefited from laid off people. nobody has dug into donald trump's business record and interviewed the people who lost their jobs in the casinos that went bankrupt. i think the reason why is simple. they don't want to get sued. donald trump sues everybody. he just threatened to sue ted

cruz for an ad that hosts donald trump in his own words. you go out and make a movie about his business record, of course he's going to sue. he uses threats of lawsuit as intimidation to silence critics and it works. >> there was an interesting post saying donald trump is -- he gets a lot of media coverage, but he's not getting the right media coverage. the media needs to accept he is the clear front-runner. and if this was anybody other than donald trump, all the media would be accepting this guy would be the gop nominee. >> i think it's a little misleading to try to suggest that donald trump hasn't been getting hit. he's been getting hit from before the day that he announced. >> but stuart has a column out today talking about how it should be non-stop, aggressive, all the candidates. >> but i think one of the problems that we're seeing, megyn, is he's taking incoming for things like raping his wife.

it's been a lot of accusations that have been thrown at him. i think a lot of them, because so many have been thrown at him and they've bounced off of him, he's now like a battleship. even if you had something that was legitimate and you threw it at him, it still bounces off. >> you don't have to throw it at him, he does it to himself. you would think that you can't call the pope a disgrace and still go on and to do well. but you can as it turns out, with all due respect, god forgive me. good to see you all. one other story taking shape in south carolina concerns marco rubio and governor nikki haley and whether they could be what one writer called a gop dream team. could this be the republican ticket? plus, things got awkward we could say for hillary clinton on cbs news this evening. >> you talk about leveling with the american people. have you always told the truth?

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breaking tonight. some 4 hours after marco rubio scored the endorsement of governor nikki haley, he was pushed off the front page by trump's fight with the pope. he's a devout catholic, so what does he think? joining us now is marco rubio, along with the woman who just endorsed him, south carolina governor nikki haley joining us from the beacon restaurant in spartanburg, south carolina. great to see you both. senator rubio, let me start with you and ask you about pope francis' comments. you're a catholic and the pope coming out today saying he does not believe a person who thinks

only about building walls and not bridges, is a christian. your thoughts? >> well, first, the pope wasn't speaking about a theological matter, he was speaking about a political matter. i disagreed with a lot of the things donald trump has said, but i think america does have the right to have secure boarders. we're the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration. we admit a million people here to this country legally every year. mexico and other countries don't do that. i understand the pope, he's the leader of the flock in terms of bringing people to the lord. but on this issue, i would just say while america has been a country welcoming to immigrants, it has to be a country that secures its boarders. >> you gave senator rubio your endorsement. now all the headlines have been what a dream team.

diversity in gender, religion, ethnicity. people believe your partnering may be possibly a ticket. do you see it that way? >> no, i don't. you know, i've said my plate is full. i'm not only a mom, i've got daughter that's going to college next year, a son in middle school, a state that i love. we haven't finished our work, so i'm totally happy in south carolina. what do i want to see is america get a great president and we can do that with marco rubio. >> i mentioned senator cruz a moment ago and he's been in the news with respect to you today. the two of you having a dust-up over a website that he's posted that shows a clearly photo shopped of you and president obama shaking hands. now, one of his campaign representatives initially denied this is photo shopped. then some internet loops found what appears to be the stock photo upon which it was based. first of all, do you want to

weigh in? is this photo shopped first of all? >> it is, of course. >> and second of all, what do you make of the fact that it is now apparently an indictment? i understand the differences between the republicans and president obama, but now a campaign indictment just to show you shaking hands with the president, even if that were the case. >> if this was just one incident, you would say all right, it's just one of those things. but every day now senator cruz's campaign does or says something that isn't true. it began in iowa with ben carson and the robocall thing, it continued last week when he wasn't telling the truth about my record regarding planned parenthood and the national right to life had to call him out. so the important thing is that voters need to know there's a campaign willing to say and make things up. they literally made this up in terms of this website or whatever it may be. it's just part of a pattern.

if it was only this, who cares? but it's not. >> the situation in iowa with respect to ben carson, can you say that the senator himself lied about that? the reports went out that he was not going on to new hampshire, and his people say that was a good-faith mistake on our part and we apologized. characterizing your record, i don't know, a lot of you guys mischaracterize each other's records in his defense. >> i don't want to relitigate the iowa thing, but it wasn't just a tweet. they sent out robocalls. the recording is out there. as far as my record, he basically implied i did not support defunding planned parenthood. national right to life came out and said before ted cruz even got to the senate, i was working on defunding planned parenthood. that's an important issue to millions of people across this country, including myself who were deeply offended by the practices of planned parenthood that were revealed last year in those videos. he's also mischaracterized my position on marriage and it should be between one man and

one woman. it's a number of issues over time that if we're going to run a campaign, we have legitimate differences. let's talk about those. but i don't think it's fair to make things up. >> good to have both of you here. >> thank you, megyn. when scott pelley of cbs news questioned hillary clinton on telling the truth, well, we'll show you what happened, next. plus, the white house doubled down on the president's decision to skip the funeral of supreme court icon justice antonin scalia. charles krauthammer has some thoughts on the new explanation. then republican ben carson responds to allegations that republicans are racist because they want to block president obama from picking the next supreme court justice. and tim allen is here. >> you see the world is just the opposite of hillary clinton. it actually gets less scary the better you know it. don't let a cracked windshield ruin your plans.

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hours ago, the press secretary suggesting that sending the vice president instead will be better for everyone. >> why wouldn't he just go to the funeral to do that? >> vice president biden, who is somebody who had his own personal relationship with justice scalia and his family, will be representing the administration at the funeral. obviously, when the vice president travels some place, his security foot print is at least a little bit lighter. >> charles, good to see you. so first, there was no answer, repeatedly no answer. finally they settled on, there's a smaller security foot print with the vice president? >> that's so -- that is such obvious nonsense that it shows they aren't even trying. that translates as the president is saying i'm the king, i'm the president, i'm a lame duck. i don't have to run for re-election. i do what i want. i want to go to havana at a time when our foreign policy is collapsing all over the world.

sure, i'm going to go to havana. he doesn't care. i mean, he doesn't want to be -- spend a saturday in a pew listening to speeches about how great a jurist scalia was when obama believes sincerely that everything scalia argued for was wrong, and harmful to the republic. so he's going to stay home and he doesn't care how it looks and what other people think. if there is a political reason other than a personal one of just a preference, it is that he's going to be nominating a justice to replace scalia who will be the antithesis of scalia, who will be somebody that will want to undo the 30-year legacy of scalia-ism. and he doesn't particularly want a photo op in which those speeches in praise of scalia in praise of the way he controlled and constrained executive power,

ie obama -- >> that's a partisan concern. >> and that surprises you? >> charles, put it this way. he said you don't get to wear your partisan hat here, mr. president. he said, you have a duty, this is shameful. he said, it is your duty to mourn a man who sat on the supreme court for decades. he's shirking that duty, talking about how on these somber occasions, the president is called upon to represent our country and every president in history, we did the research yesterday, as far as i could find, has always attended the funeral of a sitting supreme court justice. this is unprecedented about what he is about to do. >> you are surprised that obama is being partisan, that he's not rising to the occasion, that he's acting with personal annimus. >> he promised he would tackle the pettiness of our politics, the smallness of it.

>> but that can't surprise you either, megyn. he campaigned in 2012 on the theme that he's looking to the future and to our children and republicans care only about power. he's been saying this, and we all know he's been the most divisive, partisan president in recent memory. this is the way he's conducted himself. but he always portrays himself as rising above everything. he did that in 2008 when he ran. there's no white america, no black america, there's no hispanic america, we're the united states. that is who he pretends to be, succeeded in winning an election on that and has governed in the opposite way. i am not surprised at all. when we had the beheading of an american by isis, he makes the announcement and then he hop suppose a golf cart. and you expect any magnanimity

on the part of the president? i don't. >> there's nothing on the agenda this saturday. he skips the funeral of margaret thatcher. he skips this funeral. he made time to go to the funeral of walter krcronkite, b this is a sitting supreme court justice that sat on the bench for 30 years. he has no other engagement. he still has time to reverse this decision. it doesn't look like he's prepared to. i want your reaction. >> i have reached a level of cynicism about him that is actually serene. so i think this is par for the course. >> as somebody who practiced the law for almost a decade, and covered the supreme court for years, i'm not used to seeing a president show this level of disrespect to the supreme court, the body of the u.s. supreme court. interesting development tonight on cbs news, where scott pelley had an interview with hillary

clinton and asked her whether she has ever lied. watch this. >> you know, in '76 jimmy carter said, i will not lie to you. >> uh-huh. well, i have to tell you, i have tried in every way i know how literally, from my years as a young lawyer through my time as secretary of state to level with the american people. >> you talk about leveling with the american people. have you always told the truth? >> i've always tried to, always, always. >> some people are going to call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself, "always tried to." jimmy carter said i will they have lie to you. >> you're asking me to say have i ever? i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever have, i don't believe i ever will. i'm going to do the best i can to level with the american people. >> i feel uncomfortable. what say you? >> you just witnessed a capstone of her career as a liar. this is a person who said her first announcement on e-mail

there was no classified material on the e-mails. we can't count how many items or her e-mails were classified. it was william sapphire who wrote 20 years ago, long before any of this, that the first lady, who she was at the time, we have to conclude is a congenital liar. then he spent a couple of weeks arguing about whether it was a congenital trait or whether acquired. but on the liar part he never retracted. i think he was sort of ahead in the game on that. >> remember serbia, she could feel the bullets licking her hair and that turned out not to be true. and the black and shirt, there is no classified information. and now we know there's about 40,000 documents of classified information. in her defense, that's a tough question for any politician, have you ever lied. >> but as a psychiatrist, i would say she may really have

reached a point in her career in mendacity where she can't tell the difference. that can happen and she may be there. >> when the voice goes like this, that's a tell. charles, great to see you. >> my pleasure. joining us now with more, presidential candidate and retired surgeon dr. ben carson. great to see you. listen, it is tough, have you ever lied, but why can't you just -- what would you say if he asked you that? >> i would say that everybody has lied. you may not have intentionally lied, but it's something you can't avoid. but in the case of hillary clinton, boy, it's just a smorgasbord. you can take what you want. she lied when she came back when talking to the families when the bodies were being returned from

benghazi and she said it was a videotape and she knew it wasn't a videotape. i would call that a lie. but there is -- >> now she says she did not. >> yeah. they redefine things. >> this that interview, i said it was serbia. it was actually bosnia. this is how she described her time in bosnia. listen. >> i certainly do remember that trip to bosnia. i remember landing under sniper fire. there was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base. >> and here are the pictures of what happened in bosnia in the time she was talking about. here she goes. the bullets were licking her hair. it's just so ridiculous. this is one of the reasons why you appeal to people as somebody who is not a politician, whose

honesty ratings who are i think the highest among any of the candidates. >> well, even with that, they tried to besmirch my reputation. but i think that's one of the things that will make hillary clinton easy to beat, quite frankly. i would relish an opportunity to run against her. >> what do you make of her claims now, and liberals are claiming the reason justice scalia is not going to have a replacement named or confirmed or have a hearing by the u.s. senate is racism, is the republican's racism against president obama coming out and saying the gop candidates, this is hillary, are speaking in coded racial language. >> well, it's laughable that they always default to racism. when they can't come up with any other thing when they're talking about president obama. i think it would be fascinating, you know, if i was in that

position and somebody said something against me, would they say it was racism? i seriously doubt it. it's only racism if it's against a progressive liberal. it's not racism if it's against a conservative, which tells you it's not racism at all. >> what is the story for you in south carolina? you are not at the top of the polls and people are wondering what it would take to make you end it? >> well, i, instead of looking at ending it, am looking at ascending in the polls and making progress, and more people have an opportunity to hear what my policies are. i think i have more policies out on bencarson.com than anybody has. and being able to talk about the real issues, not get into this gladiator stuff. it's not really about me or donald trump or ted cruz or anybody else. it's about we the people. and somehow we've got to return the focus to that and the things

that are destroying the american dream. >> dr. carson, thanks for being here tonight. great speaking with you. >> you, too. thank you, megyn. we're going to have a very different take when tim allen, yes, that tim allen, joins us with both his unique analysis and we'll also have some media critics who are hitting msnbc for it that latest piece of political programming. and howie kurtz is here next on and howie kurtz is here next on whether those attacks are you get a cold. you can't breathe through your nose. and howie kurtz is here next on whether those attacks are suddenly, you're a mouthbreather. a mouthbreather! how can anyone sleep like that? well, just put on a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right

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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file with megyn kelly." msnbc is taking some heat tonight for what they called a town hall with donald trump last night. the event was scheduled at the last minute and began with an open that some critics described as a pro-trump political ad. ♪ >> i am going to be the greatest

jobs president that jobs ever created. remember that. if i get elected president, we will make america great again. the weakest person on this stage by far is jeb bush. >> you want to talk about weakness? it's weak to disparage women. >> donald has this weird pattern. when you point to his own record, he screams "liar, liar, liar." >> this guy will say anything. this guy lied about ben carson when he took votes away from ben carson in iowa. >> building a hotel overseas is not foreign policy. >> every guy that attacks me so far they've all gone down. we have to keep it that way, right? >> well, slate called the whole evening disgraceful. the daily beast suggested the mod ray for moderators were flattened by

hurricane trump. do the critics have a point? great to see you, howie. so what say you? >> some of those critics are left wingers who hate donald trump and wouldn't have been happy unless he left the arena battered and bloody. but that opening did see like a pro trump ad. >> it made you feel something. everything. but it was dull. joe scarborough did ask him some questions, like how would he replace obamacare, but the embarrassing soft questions from the audience, like would you renegotiate trade deals? >> that's part of your duty in these town halls, you have to make sure these questions are on a sufficient level. you're not expecting anchor

level questions. >> and the way it was shot with these extreme closeups gave it a clubby atmosphere and when trump was going on with his familiar talking points, it seemed awkward to see them all in this tight shot. >> these town halls are not presidential debates. the duties are different and the approach is different. if i were doing a town hall, i wouldn't be taking the same approach as a debate. the debates are the olympics of questioning. these are more casual and informal. >> and that's fine, but if you're going to devote an hour of air time, and this was thrown together to compete with other cable news channels, it has to reach a certain level. as i say, i think some of the questions were good. trump had such an advantage in that format that it really wasn't much tension there. >> they put him through his paces when it came to this clip

that has gone viral today. watch. >> i wanted to describe a candidate to you. the candidate is considered a political outsider by all the pundits. he's tapping into the anger of the voters, delivers a populist message. he's drawing thousands of people at his rallies and bringing if a lot of new voters to the political process. and he's not beholden to any super pacs. who am i describing? >> or any special interest or donors. you're describing donald trump. >> actually, i was describing bernie sanders. >> that's good. >> the big reveal at the end. >> i guess trump didn't see what was obvious. maybe he doesn't see the parallels there, two guys running against a rigged system. it was surprising that he didn't pick up on it.

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you do get some pushback from the dictators out there. the castro brothers. obama. wow. hillary clinton is asking us for money. her string of mistakes will never end. string of mistakes n end. >> she'll never top benghazi. that's her stairway to heaven. >> that's the kind of screwup that happens when you spend all your time deleting e-mails.

>> i don't think you should ride that motorcycle. >> is this because of obamacare? >> i like to blame obama because literally everything is his fault. >> that was a few clips from the hit sitcom on abc "last man standing." it's now in its fifth season and it stars our next next, tim allen.you. thank you for being here. love the clip. >> thanks for having me. did you call that a sickcom? >> just being fair and balanced. just being fair and balanced. so you played mike baxter who is an educated archie bunker type character. let me first ask you, who do you think mike would like in this election? >> well, i -- again, the joke would have been trump and i don't mean to be, like, i don't know, patronizing, but since he took a shot at you and mike baxter has girls, he would probably not like trump anymore but i started thinking about -- it was a weird thing to take a shot at.

you of all people. i was watching that. if this was high school, i would be going, i think he likes you. you know when people used to -- people used to pick on girls, they go, oh, i think donald loves megyn. it was the strangest thing. i would probably have to move off him to rubio if he would drink more. >> he has to be a boozer? >> no, he's got to be hydrated. >> i see. not booze. the dry mouth. it's awkward. i agree. >> you do not want him drinking. >> moving past that, what about tim allen? you're one of the few conservatives in hollywood. the viewers may not know yet, you have to go underground. it's brave for somebody to come out. you're out of the closet as a conservative. who do you like in the election? >> well, if it was just a resume-oriented thing, it would be kasich. if he wasn't from ohio -- he likes ohio state buckeyes. i'm for michigan. that is a big problem personally. >> okay. >> if he just had a resume out, i was invited to a town hall in

los angeles by my councilman. i went down there, he's an interesting -- i know this might be the kiss of death for him, but he's almost the republican the democrats would like which is a great thing if you want to win elections but he's got a great resume and the guy's got a good heart. >> what about hillary clinton? [ silence ] >> nothing. >> come on. if i go back to these jokes, all my staff, we did this whole joke on, we asked the girl writers, the familyemales, it's about wo. one of us said if it was sarah palin would it still be about time? boy, it looked like they all ate bad fish. but they all went -- >> it's kind of fun to see the clintons out there on the campaign trail together. this is like the former president campaigning for his wife who wants to be president. >> did she actually bark like a

dog? did i actually see that? >> yeah. >> she doesn't have a skill set for jokes. and i said -- she's just not -- her husband who i've met and actually he's kind of a neat guy although he was eyeballing my wife the entire time we were talking -- >> oh, geez. >> -- i think this guy -- he really was. he's a nice guy. >> she's a beautiful woman. >> my wife is gorgeous. he kept looking at me but he was -- how you doing? nice talking to you. love your show. he's a nice guy. he actually -- he did a 40-minute speech off the cuff about the environment or something and the guy is -- he's brilliant at that. >> in hillary's defense, i can relate to the attempt to be funny and having it fall flat all the time. here's my question for you. have you been watching the debates? what did you think of them? the democratic debates. have you been watching those? >> the democratic debate, if you want to see my show in vegas, i could use expletives. i'm really working hard to be nice. mike baxter, abc news. the democratic debate was a free stuff giveaway. i mean, who wouldn't vote for these people?

it was like i'll give you free education, i'll give you free sport coats. i'll give you free ipads. it was just free stuff. i always look at politics, like in my neighborhood, my councilman, a democrat, he haps happens to get things done. i don't care what party he is. if you say what you're going to do. come on, donald, you can't build a wall and can't go to 30 million people and knock on their door. >> he's building the wall, mexico is paying for it. >> but you can't do that stupid stuff. if you wipe away the stupid stuff, that's why i go back to kasich. if you listen to him talk, although i tell him to stand up straight, he's got kind of weird postu posture. if you stood up straight -- he worked with clinton. he did this balanced budget. i'm one of these guy, fiscal guy, grew up with a family my parents bought a car with, something called cash. remember that? they saved up. i remember this. i was a comic for 30 years on the road. when clinton, the secretary of state said you don't own this or

the government -- said something about the government said this, i want to say b.s. the government never helped me do anything. they just took my money and did stupid stuff with it. i don't mind paying taxes. i want a little more clear accounting. heren our set we work on a budget. my house we work on a budget. the guys that want to think about budgets make this country strong then it makes -- i'm a physical guy. i want to take care of poor people who can't help themselves. i want to think about what i'm leaving for my kids. that's important for me. >> john leavitt said the land of opportunity, the american dream where you can work hard, come up and pull yourself up, like you did from, you know, your dad was killed at a young age. you know, be successful. do the best in your field. then when you finally make it, the response is -- you. give it all to us. you're not paying for fair share. get out. you suck. i got to go. tim, great to see you. >> okay. thanks for having me. i was going to say, really quickl

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