romp there, but rubio has to make a race there. >> we'll leave it there. thank you for joining us. i'll see you tomorrow on "morning with maria" fox business network. have a good sunday. on "the buzz meter" the pundits bowing to reality as donald trump wins a major victory in south carolina and even the media skeptics give him his due. >> just as sure as a lot of people that donald trump would stagger out of that debate and possibly finish in second place. >> he was often regarded, milz included, as a candidate who would be a novelty candidate. huge credit to donald trump. >> we didn't see this. we didn't understand that he was such strong medicine. sxroo this is a decisive triumphant win. >> of course it's trump at this point. he looks like he could run the table. >> there's still a lot of discussion among republicans who say i still can't believe he's going to be the nominee. >> trump dominating the coverage

again through an extraordinary fight with pope francis, a war of words with george w. bush, and an ugly slugfest with ted cruz. >> never seen anybody that lied as much as ted cruz, and he goes around saying he's a christian. i don't know. you're going to have to really study that, but he is a very unstable person. that's just my opinion. >> i understand if a candidate has a record like donald trump's how he could consider anyone pointing to his actual record being defamation. donald's response to this, his response to this, no one will be surprised, is to scream liar because that's his response to everything. >> hillary clinton beating bernie sanders in yesterday's nevada caucuses changing the media's negative narrative, but is it time for the pundits to ak thoge that t knowledge that the socialist senator is a contender.

plus, apple battling federal authorities over whether it can and should unlock the iphone of one of the san bernardino killers. has the coverage been fair? i'm howard kurtz and this is "media buzz." the media has insisted for many, many months, but donald trump winning back ba-to-back primaries, they are grudgingly acknowledging he is a front-runner. >> a number of the pundits said, well, if a couple of the other candidates dropped out, if you add their scores together, it's going to equal trump. but these geniuses, they're geniuses, they don't understand that as people drop out, i'm going to get a lot of those votes also. you don't just add them together. >> and we have geniuses joining

us to analyze the campaign coverage. mary katherine ham a fox news contributor. heidi priz bal la and julie raginski. mary katherine, i have argued for eight long months on this network the media must take trump seriously. are the pundits coming out of denial? >> there's a couple steps here. i don't know if you're familiar with the stages of grief. we've gone from anger to denial to bargaining. we're going to bargain hard and the media will be happy to cover all these scenarios. i think it is true that people can come together and coalesce into an anti-trump candidate. the question is whether any of these guys that remain are going to get out and that will continue to be mar beginning story moving forward. >> yes. it's not that the race ended yesterday, but, heidi, given all the air time trump gets and we've talked about it many times, how much of some of the

mainstream pundits actually helped trump so far? >> that's an important distinction. you have the pundits and the mainstream press and it's very different. if you remember from almost the beginning some of the commentate whose get the most hair time who reach millions of people were taking trump seriously, guys like joe scarborough and mark halperin. then you combine that with the live coverage that, sorry, no other candidate got, even though when you look at the raw percentage numbers, bernie sanders was getting about the same numbers in terms of the percentage, not getting that kind of coverage. >> msnbc takes many of his rallies live, sometimes the other cable networks dip in and the press conferences tend to be live. but isn't that balanced by the fact that you have people on the right and the left, this network you look at george will and charles krauthammer and karl rove who are basically being -- i'll put it diplomatically, highly critical. >> and do you see them on msnbc?

if you're assuming that the american public channel surfs and looks at all the different networks, then maybe you can make that case, but we know that people in this country don't get their news that way. >> julie, let's put up the cover of "the new york daily news" which does not like trump. today's headline, confederacy of dunces, blaming the voters of south carolina for the result. i think it's being a biased rag, but does it indicate there's still a section of the media that are going to fight him every step of the way? >> there's a huge section of the media. that's a tabloid. you really can't take them seriously. we in the media, a lot of people in the media, are the drug dealers that feed this crack addiction. regardless of how you foal about donald trump, they put him on the cover. they're not putting ted cruz on the cover, not anybody else on the cover. whether you have people that you just mentioned trashing him or complimenting him, nevertheless, we're all talking about him

across every network -- >> it sounds vaguely illegal, the crack addiction. >> it should be but it's not apparently. >> carrying him live and fighting with him even as a media person gets you viewers, gets you people which is why folks who would like to challenge him should have made fought with him earlier, cruz and rubio among them. >> i say again and again that the negative coverage helps trump in part because he runs against the press, not a popular institution. you talked about mainstream pundits. on msnbc last night, primary night, chris matthews and lawrence o'donnell were you a hmong those saying if this person drops out and the sun rises over here he could still be beaten. brian williams said you sound like a democrat at the salad bar of rationalization. >> my favorite joint. >> we saw a lot of commentators obviously jumping on this extraordinary news of donald trump and pope francis exchanging less than pleasantries and saying this

would hurt trump. let's take another look at how that exchange went. >> translator: a person who thinks only about building walls wherever they may be and not of building bridges is not christian. this is not the gospel. >> the pope said something to the effect that maybe donald trump isn't christian, okay? and he's questioning my faith. i was very surprised to see it, but i am a christian and i'm proud of it. okay. for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. >> you know, interestingly, the pundits didn't exactly excommunicate trump for those sharp words against the pontiff who did start it by questioning his faith. >> the lord giveth the donald another media cycle right before the south carolina primary. i think, look, there was a lot of coverage of this that was like is this real life? there was a point at which this gets so insane, this war of words between trump and the pope, i would caution people that escalating a war of words

with the pope, let's imagine what would happen escalating a war of words with leaders in the world once -- >> i have to actually correct something because the pope didn't technically start this. a month ago donald trump referred to this pope as a very political pope, and then if you look also at the way that the question was worded to the pope, it was kind of a very leading question -- >> well, i have some of that for you. this hasn't gotten as much question. this is on the pope's plane coming back from mexico to the vatican and phil, a reuters correspondent, says to the pontiff, trump said you're a pawn of the mexican government. he wants to build a balwall, det 11 million immigrants, separating families. what do you think of these accusations against you and can a north american catholic vote for a person like this. is that a fair and balanced question? >> it's a leading question. if you're reporting it in print or broadcast, i think the context here is very important. whenever you're asking anyone

this type of question, but also this pope apparently has -- he's a human being too. he's prone to anger and responding to things that might sound insightful, and i think in hindsight and i think both the pope and donald trump rolled back a little bit -- >> i just want to set you up with the sound bite. trump did soften on cnn. let's take a quick look at what he had to say. >> pope made the statement, and i think it was probably a little nicer statement than reported by you folks in the media because after i read it, it was a little bit softer. >> well, first of all, if there's nothing that you can count on as much as the sun rising in the east is that donald trump will walk back every incendiary statement he makes. i will say though donald trump -- i think it's pronounced buford, the only catholic majority county in south carolina. he won it. i guess picking a fight with the pope is not necessarily bad if you're trying to appeal to catholic voters. >> is your point about the walking make is trump makes the incendiary charge, gets an explosion of coverage, and when asked about it in interviews,

even though he's doing interviews to his credit, he softens. >> he have ti-- every time. the base that appeals to whatever incendiary thing he says, responds to it. >> in general the media covering the pope want him to comment on politics and maybe we could be nor nuanced about how we address the pope. >> i think people are aware this pope has been a little more if you want to say political, having been out there. when he came to his visit to the u.s. talking openly about things, the environment and telling truth to his followers. >> abortion and divorce and many conservatives see him as left leaning whether that's fair or not. we're talking about the way trump sort of controls the media dialogue which he has done throughout this campaign. when he gets into it with ted cruz, we saw the sound bites earlier and says he's going to sue senator cruz over an ad he didn't like, are we devouring that and then cruz has to respond of course of course, and

now you're on trump's turf? >> yes, and also it is a story. it's a story when these two seeming front-runners fight each other. i think this played out on another level with rubio sort of grabbing the trump attacks on cruz and using them to his advantage as well which showed up in exit polling with people thinking his campaign was unfair. >> on that point, marco rubio apparently has finished second in south carolina, the final tally not in. but he made a big deal, and the media made a big deal, about this photo shopped picture that showed rubio shaking hands with president obama. kind of casting it as a dirty trick and cruz as a deceitful guy. did you think it deserved that much coverage? >> i don't know about that one particular instance, but the problem was and here is where donald trump is right, it was a part of a pattern of things that we're seeing all the way back to iowa, including the robocalls, including this photo shopping and the trey gowdy facebook page. so it played -- the reason why it got a lot of coverage, because it played in a

narrative. ted cruz himself was aware that this is really going off the rails and he pulled ben carson into some kind of storage locker and tried to say, hey, man, let's be friends again. >> this is the daily beast reporting on this closet meeting between cruz and carson. i love that. but on this photo shop thing i think it was obvious. it obviously wasn't a real photo. their heads had been put on a different photo. finally trump this morning been on four sunday shows so far, and he tweeted about "the wall street journal" which had that "wall street journal"/nbc poll which had the south carolina race down to five points. he won by double digits. "wall street journal" should fire both its pollster and its editorial board, seldom has a paper been so wrong. totally biased. fine to criticize the poll but the editorial board is sxosed to be biased. it's an opinioned group of people. we'll talk more, have you guys back a little later. ahead, is the press engaging in hypocrisy in the battle over whether to fill antonin scalia's supreme court seat? when we come back, jeb bush bowing out after his brother

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the pundits have already been speculating when jeb would get out of the race. jeb bush finished in single digits in south carolina and called it quits, most likely ending the bush dynasty. joining us from nashville is jon meacham, the former editor of "newsweek" and offer of destiny and power, the american odyssey of george herbert walker bush. jon, the media which one anoi anointed jeb the front-runner were trying to push him out of the race. does his political demise in the campaign change the way we cover and define the republican party?

>> unquestionably. although donald trump has changed that and the press has been obviously part of that process. you know, this is the end of almost a 70-year story. jeb's grandfather first ran for the senate in 1950. six of the last nine presidential tickets on the republican side had a bush on it. and so the shift from jeb bush and that kind of republican, mitt romney, george w. bush, those kind of republicans to a front-runner like trump obviously changes the entire conversation. >> barbara bush complained at one point that the pundits or the press were ignoring her son, but although he had some improvement toward the end didn't the media reflect the fact he was just not a very good candidate? >> i think it was more of a mirror than a maker. you know, this has been -- you've talked about this a lot on your show and elsewhere. it's just been a year where the whole playbook has been rewritten, and you have this extraordinary personality in

trump, but it's beyond the politics of personality. this is someone who is speaking to deep emotional forces and reservoirs in the country and it's part of the tragedy in some ways of this moment for jeb bush that so much of the anger is at an establishment that his family has personified. >> bush 43, of course, coming in south carolina with former first lady laura bush to try to rescue jeb's candidacy. that proved impossible but he got into it with donald trump who, as you recall, just last weekend that trump really went after the former president in the debate. let's take a look at that. >> george bush made a mistake. we can make mistakes but that one was a beauty. we should have never been in iraq. i want to tell you, they lied. they said there were weapons of mass destruction. there were none and they knew there were none. >>and that americans are angry and frustrated, but we do not need someone in the oval

office who mirrors and inflames our anger and frustration. >> jon, i saw one pundit after another saying it was insane for a republican candidate to go after the last republican president in the debate and yet trump still won south carolina. >> no, it proves that trump is defying political gravity. you know, he decided to take on george w. bush. he has sort of -- i don't know if he's backpedaled exactly on the lying. he certainly side pedaled by saying he doesn't want to get into it anymore. >> anderson cooper of cnn asked him four times are you still saying that bush lied about knowing in advance that saddam had no wmds and he kept deflecting the question. >> right. so what you have is someone who sort of alludelude the fact che to some extent. whether that holds true going forward is a great question. to take on whether president

bush kept us safe after 9/11, to take on the question of iraq and wmd shows to some extent part of trump's appeal here is that it's a bipartisan commentary. he's willing to say almost anything about the different parts of the establishment, including the last republican president. >> right. and i think just to put an exclamation point on it, seven years ago this was george w. bush's republican party. whether it's in the process of becoming donald trump's party it's hard to say. but an era has bowed out. >> thank you. ahead on "media buzz" will the press create a new story line for hillary clinton. and up next, how much did donald trump's coverage contribute to his victory? our media microscope is straight ahead. this just got interesting. so why pause to take a pill?

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does media coverage translate into votes? it's little wonder that donald trump scored a big victory in the south carolina primary. trump totally dominated in the mainstream media outlets as much as in any week we studied in the past. look at this, for monday through thursday more than 13,000 media mentions as he sparred with george w. bush and pope francis. it's almost triple the media mentions for ted cruz who had nearly 5700. jeb bush with a little help from his family plus speculation about whether he was on his last legs rising here to more than 4100. not that it did him much good. marco rubio more than 3600 and then a big drop-off. john kasich over 1,000 mentions and ben carson just over 800. not much difference in tone among the most covered candidates. negative in red, positive in green. trump, cruz, push, rubirubio, a

r hovering around two-thirds negative. in our press picks this media fail, msnbc's chris hayes gave viewers the impression that bill clinton had take an hard shot at president obama-he. here is the clip he played. >> she's always making something good. a lot of people say, oh, well, you don't understand, it's different now. it's rigged. yeah, it's rigged because you don't have a president who is a changemaker. >> except it turns out that the msnbc program engaged in some deceptive ed ditting. her is the rest of what the former president said. >> yeah it's rigged because you don't have a president who is a change maker of who has a has a

congress that will work with him. but the president has done a better job than he has been given credit. >> we did not characterize clinton haas trashing the president. we said he went off message which is arguably true but here is the important thing. in cutting off the clip we didn't allow you to make the judgment for yourselves. we shouldn't have done that. >> he should not have done that. but at least he corrected the error. still ahead on "media buzz," will the media start writing off bernie sanders once again. and then the supreme court vacancy. do pundits and politicians keep switching sides depending on who controls the white house? from the moment they wake up, doers don't stop. every day is a chance to do something great. and for the ones they love, they'd do anything. sears optical has glasses made for doing. right now, buy one pair and get another free.

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victory over brernie sanders in yesterday's nevada caucuses. that for the moment changed the doom and gloom narrative. >> you can't say she doesn't fight. >> this is going to be a big win for hillary clinton because she held him off. >> she would have suffered a setback in nevada, it would have been really, really ugly for her. >> we're back with the panel. heidi przybyla, my sense of the reporting is that hillary kind of dodged a bullet. had she lost the caucuses or been another one of these squeakers, she would have gotten hammered by the press. >> let me commit an act of heresy here and tell you having covered hillary clinton from the beginning of last year really, i feel that the fundamentals of this race have always been the same. we have had some fun with the media narrative with bernie sanders over the summer with e-mails, but she's always been ahead by double digits. we've always known that these first two states are overwhelmingly white and this is where she was going to have her

most difficult fight, and so now we're going into seeing exactly what the fundamentals have always told us were the case, which is she's setting herself up for a string of victories and it's going to be very hard to stop. >> does that mean, julie roginsky, that the press has been pumping up the bernie sanders threat because we're kind of board with the coronation story line and we wanted a competitive race? >> no question. that's reason number one. reason number two is she's done a terrible job of reaching out to the press. she won't go anywhere to have an interview. >> she does a lot of msnbc. >> she does that. in addition to msnbc there are other networks and reporters and she doesn't really reach out to them. i understand why she does msnbc, a democratic base -- >> aren't you underplaying here the fact that bernie sanders, a 74-year-old self-described socialist senator has raised all this money, draws these huge krau crowds -- >> i will give him his due. he's run a spectacular campaign. he's done an amazing job of

somebody coming from nowhere. she also suffers from the fact the press has never liked hillary clinton. always been distrustful of each other. someone who tells it like it is is able to tap into that press hunger for a candidate she can't tap into. >> the story is not just media coverage with either of these guys. trump and bernie sanders ever responding to a real strain of deep dissatisfaction in both parties and so i think she is a winner in this case. she's still a winner with many worries because of the way that the democratic primary is set up and you get the superdelegate story again and young people angry about how their votes are not counting in the process and the parties taking over. there's oxygen here and there's excitement here in the bernie sanders campaign and i think that will continue. >> but sanders not only won at least according to exit polls the hispanic vote in nevada, but overwhelmingly again as in new hampshire won among those who want honesty most in their

candidate. i just want to pause because an interview that's gotten a lot of attention both online and on the air is hillary clinton's sitdown with cbs anchor scott pelley. >> have you always told the truth? >> i have always tried to, always, always. >> some people are going to call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself -- >> well, no -- >> jimmy carter said i will never lie to you. >> you're asking me to say have i ever? i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever have. i don't believe i ever will. i'm going to do the best i can to level with the american people. >> wasn't exactly a trick question from scott pelley. >> and nobody wants to say i am perfect, right, but there are good ways to answer that question without painting yourself into a corner. she did not choose any of those good ways and it points to the fact she is a fundamentally flawed candidate and her weakness came up in 2008 to bite her and it's coming up again with bernie where she's seeing this threat. >> is this question about honesty, and a lot of this has to do with the e-mail scandal

that's gotten so much press attention and especially commentators, some of them say she may be indicted, is that the story of why she has not, you know, just easily dispatched bernie sanders or -- >> no, no. >> are there other reasons here? >> i don't buy the e-mail story because i have been looking at the poll numbers -- >> you're not saying you dismiss -- >> i don't buy this e-mail story is what's hurting her honesty numbers, okay? because what's happening is she had very high numbers as secretary of state, okay? and when we started to see her favorability numbers come down amid the e-mail story, if you look at the internals it was among republicans and republican-leaning. that's not the democratic base. in a general election, yes, the e-mail hurts her. but what hurts her in terms of honesty is she's not seen like a more progressive candidate like bernie sanders. she's seen as the same kind of democrat as her husband who when you hear bernie sanders talk about all the things people are angry about, they're all bill clinton's policies like nafta,

like the crime bill. for democratic base voters, the honest and trustworthiness has to do with not being who she says she is. >> does it bother you she has not held a press conference or press gaggle in 75 days? >> of course. we're begging for that. >> and, julie, hillary changed her message a bit in the closing days, bernie sanders not a real democrat because he criticized her hadn't and president obama. she's hugging president obama. she got booed at this town hall but he wasn't -- >> she's right about that. the smartest thing she did, i don't know if people saw the ad that she put out with the young latina girl coming to her hugging her and saying i'm oured my parents were going to be depo deported. it was the strongest part of her campaign to date. that's the kind of thing she needs to do to connect. she needs to stop being celebrity hillary and start being a human being. >> great to see you.

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the death of antonin scalia has led to a furious clash between pundits and polls on the right and left on whether the senate should vote on who president obama picks to replace him. >> now president obama doesn't want republicans to follow the rules he created. >> i think they're going to get hurt on this, the republicans. this is obstructionism pure and simple and it's about as bad as it's gotten. no debate, no hearing. >> joining us now, gail trotter, a lawyer and commentator, and ruth marcus, a columnist for "the washington post" who is also a lawyer. counselors, opening arguments. gail, are republicans in saying they won't vote for any nominee that president obama sends up, are they doing this out of principle or raw partisanship? >> this is all about raw absolute power. this fight is to replace justice scalia's seat is all about power and not about principle, and anybody who is talking about

principle is transparently phony. the most interesting thing about this is the media is flacking the democratic talking points. they are not looking out for the republicans' best interests -- >> let me come back to that. i will bring argument. you write in your column the senate republicans are engaging in obstructionism. are democrats insisting obama should get a vote acting out of principal or raw partnership. >> i wanted to say this, may it please the court, i think nobody comes to this argument on the republican side or the democratic side with clean hands. let's be serious. washington is the capital of situational ethics and never so situational as to when it comes to supreme court nominations and judicial nominations in general. that said, i totally agree with gayle. this is an exercise of raw power and where we disagree is it shouldn't be. >> we'll give you a chance to

follow that up. to underscore the point and i applaud you both for your honesty in saying it depends on when. so on that point, chuck schumer on the democratic side, mitch mcconnell on the republican side making what they describe as high-toned constitutional arguments for our against filling the seat, let's look at what they had to say in previous years. >> we should not confirm any bush nominee to the supreme court except in extraordinary circumstances. >> the republican conference intends to restore the principle that regardless of party, regardless of party, any president's judicial nominees after full debate deserve a simple up or down vote. >> those were both during the bush administration, so, gayle, it seems to underscore the point that it all depends on which party controls the white house. >> right. and the difference is this time the liberal mainstream media is taking the democrats' side.

ruth herself wrote a very long piece advising republicans that it would hurt hem if ththem if didn't confirm president obama's nominee but i don't think ruth is looking out for the best interest of the republicans and the republicans are certainly not going to take political strategy tips from ruth. >> i have to agree with the last point. they're certainly not. i'm going to actually correct you because i'm not a democrat. i'm not registered with any party, so -- >> but it's fair to describe you as a liberal columnist. >> i'm a left of center -- >> fair enough. >> let me say this, i have been part of "the washington post" editorial board when we supported the confirmation of justice roberts and justice alito. i have criticized democrats for abusing -- criticized democrats for abusing the filibuster when it comes to miguel estrada who was defeated for -- >> the first who was ever

filibustered. >> criticized them for abusing the filibuster and criticized them for getting rid of the filibuster when it comes to lower court nominees. i'm the only one in washington with clean hands. this is going to hurt republicans and i know they're not going to take my argument because what goes around comes around here and we have to find our way out of these judicial wars and into -- >> why is it always the republicans who find themselves on the side of having the mainstream media have the democratic talking points? >> do you agree that the press coverage has tilted toward obama has a year to go and he should nominate somebody and that person deserves a vote? >> one thing that we're seeing here that is different than the norm isn't an argument about whether somebody should get an up or down vote but whether there should be a hearing at all. that's a difference that has affected the press coverage and has contributed to some of the criticism you're feeling. >> there's a misrepresentation

by "the new york times" editorial vote. they talk about the constitution requiring a vote and it's disrespectful to not have a vote. but it doesn't say that. it's a two-key operation. you need the president and the congress to agree and i will tell you that the republicans have to redeem themselves with republican voters. they have this majority leadership for a reason. >> let me jump in. interestingly in a fox news poll, 62% of those say the president should act now. 34% said now. since the begin of 2015, president obama has only gotten one vote on 12 appellate court vacancies. one thing we also could agree on is that the life of this great jurist kind of got overshadowed by this partisan fight that started 20 minutes after we learned he was dead. yesterday was the funeral. a lot of criticism that

president obama did not go to the funeral? is that a fair story? >> i think so. i do estate planning as a lawyer and i think it's very important to show up for people's funerals and this is one of the three co-equal branches of government. justice scalia had a very rev e revered place. he was the longest serving justice on the court currently. obama should have been there. >> i am a believer in two things, not speaking ill of the dead and there was a lot of really ugly conversation that erupted almost immediately on twitter that i would just like to disassociate myself with. and also you know what? it's always a good idea to err on the side of behaving honorably. and so it was good the president and mrs. obama went to see the family when the justice was lying in state. if they could have gone to the funeral, even better. >> on this rare consensus, i am

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fair but if you listen to the banter on news or social media, there is quite universal agreement that apple is not being patriotic in this case. >> more of the media chatter. >> the chatter, not necessarily the headlines. >> apple says right now it doesn't have the technology to help the feds unlook lock or break into the phone. explain a little bit about the company's position. i think sometimes it's mischaracterizes. >> absolutely. apple's defense is it doesn't have this security work around this, back door. and if they were to create that it could get used or hacked and be dispersed to any i-phone user. my mom, my grandma could have their information stolen. >> we value privacy. >> we very much value rightsy. >> part of what an cell selling is that you have a phone that can't be hacked into easily. statement i'm saying what do you

mean they can't help the fbi. it is a terrorist act. it's not about protecting the privacy of frook. but it's about whether or not the hackers get ahold of this work around code and whether foreign governments want to use it. >> it's not about this particular instance. thing build the technology. but then if it's applied to one i-phone can it be supplied to how many number of others. and when does the government say it can be used. that's their concern. >> a lot of folks reported that an 'em has previously cooperated in 70 other cases with law enforcement. the new york sometimes running a correction saying apple extracted data, but did not unlock those phones. it sounds like the phones are more unhackable because of better technology, right. >> absolutely. apple created the technology post snowden, they used it in

advertising against competitors, we're more private. in doing so, they made it harder for the fbi, others, to get access that could be helpful in terrorist or other investigations. >> a number of news outlets made that mistake, for basically comparing, forgive me, apples and oranges. as somebody who is in field, bottom line dooumpg do you think apple has a good case? >> i think apple has a good case. i don't think they should cease from engaging on a -- iffer going to say you can't get access to this i-phone. we need to have another discussion to agree that this is important data that could help the terrorist investigation and how can we get it in other instances than this. >> whether apple has a good case on the technology or legal arguments, would you agree in 20 seconds that it is that tim cook and the company are losing the p.r. war here? >> i think they are fighting an uphill battle.

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