only flonase is approved to relieve both your itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. complete allergy relief or incomplete. let your eyes decide. flonase changes everything. in to the factor: ♪ ♪ >> welcome to a special kelly file, face to face with the candidates. i'm megyn kelly. we are coming to you tonight from raleigh, north carolina. [cheers and applause] >> where in less than one take place in the critical march 15th primary. can you see all the excitement in the room. i'm here on stage at the cavalry baptist church with texas senator ted cruz. [cheers and applause] this is all part of a fox

news prime time lineup of town halls with the g.o.p. candidates. greta van susteren interviewed ohio governor john kasich earlier this evening. sean hannity will speak with businessman donald trump. and in a special airing. [booing] >> kelly file tonight at 11:00 p.m. yours truly will sit down with florida senator marco rubio. but, first, at. [boos] >> at stake for the candidates in north carolina 72 delegates. here the real clear politics average of poll shows donald trump with a 10 point lead over senator tim cruz. [crowd booing] >> the last poll taken in this state was three weeks ago and a lot has changed since then. [cheers and applause] let's get right to it. all right, senator, thank you so much for being here. let's start with the obvious question which is what are your predictions for north carolina? >> well, listen, i feel really good here in north carolina. we have an amazing team on the ground. and we are seeing an energy. we're seeing an excitement.

and, really what we are seeing in north carolina is a continuation of what we have been seeing all across the country. you know, if we step back a year ago, we had 17 candidates in the field. i mean, it was a crowded field and it was a talented diverse field, a dynamic field. pretty striking contrast for the democrats. [ laughter ] this whole year we have seen that field wing narrow. and it's gotten narrower. we saw super tuesday andivñ super saturday two tremendous outcomes. [cheers and applause] where the voters have now made clear that there is only one campaign that repeatedly beaten donald trump. [cheers and applause] and that can and will beat donald trump. and so what we're seeing is republicans uniting behind our campaign.

>> but what specifically is the path forward? because it takes 1237 votes in order to become the republican nominee and what the odds makers are saying is ted cruz would need to win 60% of the vote from this point forward in order to win straight out before we get to a contested convention. and what those same experts are saying is that's really mathematically impossible unless you win florida, which even you concede is a long shot. >> well, listen, i understand that the are constantly saying, the conservative can't win at every stage, if it were up to the experts, we would not have won a primary yet. i'm all right with the experts saying that. >> they say none of them can win except for donald trump straight out. >> that's funny. those are the same ones that put donald trump on the same tv station 24 hours a day and then once he is the nominee. [cheers and applause] >> and nobody should be confused. the network execs who give donald hundreds of millions of dollars of free air time are all liberal democrats. they want him to be the

nominee because they know donald gets killed by hillary and their plan is can obliterate him. donald may be the one person on the face of the planet that hillary clinton can beat in the november general election. [cheers and applause] but you asked path forward. so let's talk some real simple math. it takes 1237 delegates to be the nominee. i have just over 300. donald has about 80 more than i do. both of us are within 08 delegates of each other. the path is simple. we continue to narrow the field. if you look at the other two candidates in the field, marco rubio, john kasich, both good, honorable people. but neither one of them has a path to winning the nomination. they are far too behind in the delegate count. they can't catch up. the path is simple. we continue to narrow the field. head to head, not only do i beat donald trump but i beat donald resoundedly. just today a new poll came

out. [cheers and applause] that has me beating donald trump by 13 points head to head. by the way, that same poll has donald losing to hillary clinton and has me beating hillary clinton. [cheers and applause] >> he said he hasn't even started on her. he believes his numbers against her will get better once he, quote, starts on her. i want to ask you because you have talked about a broken convention. >> let's be clear the media hasn't started on him and she hasn't started on him. he has had kid gloves for six months from the media and present company excluded. [ laughter ] >> thank you. let's talk about contested convention and whether that's a likelihood. you have said this could be enormous mistake for the party. obviously the party would have to be very divided for it to arrive at a brokered convention. some of your backers who don't see an easy path forward for 1237 for you say i have no problem with the contested convention. i would rather see that,

they say, than to see somebody get the nomination who only has a plurality, who doesn't have 1237. so if it has to happen ugly, it happens ugly. >> look, there is difference between a contested convention and brokered convention. a brokered convention is the fevered dream of the d.c. establishment. >> mitch mcconnell. >> that everyone is divided and then suddenly the d.c. establishment swoops in with their white knight and they're mad at the voters. [crowd booing] >> that's the reaction ever the voters. i think it would be absolutely catastrophic to have a brokered convention where they try to parachute in some d.c. establishment candidate. you would ski -- see an open revolt. [cheers and applause] and it would all but concede the election to hillary clinton. theb!u voters need to decide this. and that's why our strategy is veryc simple. we intend to beat donald trump. but the way to beat donald trump is beat him at the

ballot box. [cheers and applause] >> you haven't yet amassed 1237 and neither has he, let's say it's a two man race at that point, you are okay with the, quote, contested convention where then it goes to a balloting system and it's still decided by the people. >> a contested convention is a different thing where you go if no one gets 1237 and you have got two frontrunners. lock, reagan and ford battled it out at contested convention. that's what conventions are for. if you are fighting between the candidates who have earned the votes of the people, and it's the delegates at the convention who have been elected to do that, that's the way the system works. and that's perfectly appropriate. i will tell you i don't believe we are going to need that either. i believe our path is very simple. we're going to continue to narrow the field. when we get head to head with donald trump, we are going to beat donald trump over and over and over again. [cheers and applause] >> how does it happen though? because what the analysts

say is that -- and what you heard marco rubio say is that your path will get harder from here. they points to states like new york and california and florida, new jersey, which might not be ted cruz territory. >> well, let's talk about those. california, the last field poll that was done, i was in first place in california. [cheers and applause] >> i think they like you. >> well, north carolina is god'sç9 country. [cheers and applause] but, you know, there is always an analyst saying well, there is no way for the conservative to win. that is what the talking heads always say. going into iowa. every pundit says on every show trump was going to win. we won an overwhelming title wave landmark victory. [cheers and applause] then on super tuesday. super tuesday donald was

supposed to sweep all over the country. we won a tremendous victory in oklahoma. we won a tremendous victory in alaska. [cheers and applause] and we won a landslide, historic turnout victory in my home state of texas. [cheers and applause] and then let's go to super saturday. super saturday was supposed to be a great day for donald trump. the pundits, those experts who say we don't have a path, they said donald was going to sweep all four states. he had a decisive lead everywhere. well, it's interesting. kansas, the day of the kansas caucuses, marco rubio had spent the whole day campaigning in kansas. that morning, donald and i were both at the same kansas caucus site. we spoke back to back to the same group of voters. all of the pundits had predicted donald was going to win kansas. not only did we win, but we won with a landslide nearly 50% of the vote in kansas.

>> what the polls showed was that you started really surging later in the week. >> yes. >> and that trump has started to haven gone down a bit since last week's debate and over the past few days. to what do you attribute that? >> what i see happening is republicans are consolidating around us. 65 to 70% of republicans recognize donald trump would be a disaster. if he is the nominee, hillary wins. now, donald's friend has been division. he wants this field divided. as long as that 65 to 70% is split up among two, three candidates, that helps donald. what happened after super tuesday is the folks who want to stop donald trump had pee gun uniting around our campaign, and we are welcoming people who are supporters of jeb bush, of chris christie, of rand paul, of dr. ben carson. we're welcoming. [cheers and applause]

we're welcoming people right now who are supporting marco rubio or supporting john kasich, both, good, honorable men. but neither one of them has a path to defeating donald trump. if you want to defeat donald trump, i would say to you come join us and if we stand together, we'll see the results. [cheers and applause] >> stand by, because we did take some questions from the audience and we will have some of that coming up with senator ted cruz, including a question about how you work in washington without losing your soul. [cheers and applause]

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stuff done without losing his soul? how is he going to get stuff done but still stand for the principles that all of us believe in? >> that was a supporter of senator ted cruz asking the question we have heard from a lot of republican voters. live here in raleigh, north carolina, how do you get things done without giving up your values? and we're back now with senator ted cruz. that's the question. they love that you stand on principle. they believe you. and they believe you are a constitutionalist and you mean it and you are not going going to betray those values. they want things done if they send to you washington. >> absolutely. stakes too high. the problems are too big for us not to fix them. >> how do you do it? >> you think about it. a president really has three levers of authority. throw levers to change the ship of the direction of government. the first is executive

power. that's within the one that obama abused so mightily. [crowd boos] >> the silver lining to that is everything done with executive power can be undone with executive power. [cheers and applause] so, for example, i have pledged from the very first day in office to rescind every single illegal and unconstitutional executive action taken by president obama. >> do you see the presidency as the weakest branch of government as the one that's supposed to be the smallest? >> it is not the weakest branch of government, but it is circumscribed by the constitution and its authority. so, when you look, when the president illegally grants amnesty as he has, that is contrary to the law. it's contrary to the constitution. but, with the stroke of a pen, that executive amnesty will be gone. >> what are two and three? >> also on the first day in office, i pledge to direct the department of justice to

open an investigation into planned parenthood and to prosecute any and all criminal violations. [cheers and applause] also on the first day in office i intend to direct every agency of the federal government that the persecution of ledge just liberty ends that day. [cheers and applause] >> my question to you is, while they clearly like what they are hearing, what about the day-to-day management of the government and getting deals done? >> you are talking about change. also on day one, i will direct the department of education, common core ends today. [cheers and applause] now, you want to talk -- [cheers and applause] well, you know, under common core we have 11 days in a

week. we have a long time until election day. [ laughter ] look, all of those are actions that a strong principled conservative president can do and can could immediately and i will do. the second lever of presidential authority and change is foreign policy. and foreign policy can change overnight. i mean, it's worth remembering in 1981 iran released our hostages the day that ronald reagan was sworn into office. [cheers and applause] >> but, if i could, i think what this is going for is the things that cannot be done simply by the executive office. the stuff like entitlement reform was one of the things i was asked about. >> megyn, i'm starting more broadly because what the media tells us is that you can't fix this. you can't change that. and it isn't true. on foreign policy on day one i will rip to sheds this catastrophic iranian nuclear deal.

>> [cheers and applause] >> also on day one, i will begin the process of moving the american embassy in israelç to jerusalem. [cheers and applause] now, let's focus on the third area which is where you want to go, which is legislation. legislation is the hardest lever to use because right now congress is fundamentally broken. it is dysfunctional. i am campaigning on two big policy initiatives. number one repealing every single word of obamacare. [cheers and applause]dh+q and number two, passing a simple flat tax and abolishing the irs. [cheers and applause] >> control of the house and the senate and the republican party if you want to get that done. >> now, listen, you are right. and neither of those are

easy. i am not remotely naive or polyan issue in. >> we're behind you, ted. >> that's actually the key. listen, could i get either of those done in this current congress? not a chance. because right now the washington cartel, all of the lobbyists, all of the special interest, they depend on the status quo. the irs tax code, the reason it's so long is that's where subsidies, all the handouts are buried in that tax code. how do you change it? you know, if you look at the last time we broke the washington cartel, it was 1981. it was the reagan revolution where reagan took it to the people and there was a tidal wave from the people. the way we get that done is i intend to make 2016 the election len jection against hillary clinton a referendum on repealing obama care and abolishing the irs. [cheers and applause] >> how about immigration. that was another question

somebody had about what you are going to do to secure the southern border and how quickly and i said is that a big issue for you? she said i'm worried about isis coming across the border. >> absolutely. >> i asked you this at the debate but we didn't quite get an exact answer. what about the jeff sessions factor. people for whom immigration is a big issue, they like jeff sessions. you have stood shoulder to shoulder with him. >> i like jeff sessions. >> he endorsed donald trump. so what message do people take from that? >> you know, i actually trust the voters to make their own determination. [cheers and applause] in 2013, when marco rubio was standing with barack obama and harry reid and chuck schumer and pushing the massive gang of eight amnesty bill. [crowd booing] >> i stood with millions of americans and led the fight against amnesty. [cheers and applause] >> and we defeated it in

congress. >> does president cruz build a wall? >> yes. but let me point out -- let me finish with 2013. at that time donald trump not only was nowhere to be found. he was funding the gang of eight. he gave $50,000 to five of the eight members of the gang of eight. and let me say to folks at home. one of the most ominous words that was repeated over and over again in that last debate was flexible. [ laughter ] donald said that over and over again. flexible. he was going to be flexible. you know inád d.c. flexible is code word for they are getting ready to stick it to you. [cheers and applause] and let's be really clear what donald was being flexible on. one of the most striking moments of that debate, megyn, is when he turned to marco rubio and said, marco, i agree that you were being flexible and it was a good thing when you negotiated

with chuck schumer and harry reid on the gang of eight. that was a good thing and i agree with it. [crowd booing. [. >> i almost fell over. i thought lightning was going to come down. i mean, donald trump has claimed to base his entire campaign on immigration on from it and embraced the compromise that led to the gang of eight amnesty bill. and, as you know, donald trump told the "new york times" editorial board everything he said on immigration is just empty campaign rhetoric. >> that isn't what he said that it was empty campaign rhetoric. >> how do you know that. >> i know the "new york times" came out and said there was nothing so shockingly news worthy it would change the dynamic of the campaign. >> we should take the "new york times" word for it. [ laughter ] [cheers and applause] >> on that note, i needyk/g to

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security is over $800 billion. medicare and medicaid fund something over a trillion dollars and the congress has said that these are untouchable, that these are nondiscretionary. how can we break the gridlock and get through the establishment because quite honestly these are unsustainable programs? >> joining me again is texas senator ted cruz. great to see you. [cheers and applause] >> so people are worried about social security and entitlement reform. we talked about that. i want to get quick answer on how on earth you would tackle that. can you get any more specific? >> when it comes to social security. i think washington right now is being reckless and irresponsible allowing social security to careen toward insolvency. for a long time social security has been treated like the third rail of politics. if you touch it, you get electrocuted. not only am i touching it, i'm campaigning on it i intend to strengthen and preserve social security. let me tell you exactly how.

[cheers and applause] four principles. for seeners, for -- seniors for those on social security and near retirement no changes whatsoever. we have made promises. people have ordered their financial affairs. they need to be able to count on those. >> yeah. >> for younger workers, look, i'm 45. it isi hard to find someone my generation who thinks social security will be there for us. that presents a real opportunity for reform. for younger workers we should follow three principles, number one, gradually raise the age of retirement for younger workers. give them time to plan and save accordingly. number two, change the rate of growth of benefits. for younger workers so that it matches inflation instead of exceeding inflation. those two changes alone bring social security into solvency. but the third one is critical. allow younger workers to keep a portion of our tax payments in a personal account like a 401(k) that we own, we control, and we

can pass on to our kids and grand kids. >> let me get to a couple of other questions that the good people have and go through a few of them. this is sort of relate to do the one we discussed but a little different. they are worried about the bad people in washington. >> oh, yeah. >> you know how your mom tells you don't surround yourself with unhealthy people because they can rub off on you. they are worried but losing your soul when you go there and one of the specific questions was what will you do to hold on your to your faith and who you are? >> look, a lot of it is being grounded in knowing how are, starting with a foundation. i'm a christian. my faith is in -- >> -- [cheers and applause] and i can think of no job for which a relationship with god and a reliance on prayer is more important than serving as president with the responsibility that that position entails.

[cheers and applause] you know, i am blessed with an incredible family. you have gotten to know heidi and the girls. by the way, my girls think megyn is a total rock star. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> at the debate, i'm there, caroline and catherine are like yeah, yeah, dad, whatever, blah, blah, blah, wherej)átt combine. they are so excited to see you. >> you tell them it's mutual. >> it's a great grounding. it is a wonderful -- all right, i will tell a caroline story. so, every child is different. catherine, our baby is 5. she is sweet, sweet, sweet. she hugs on you. >> she takes after heidi. >> she does. she does. >> and caroline, who is 7, she is a rascal. she takes after her daddy, poor girl. but you know, she -- her attitude in this campaign is yeah, yeah, whatever, dad, okay, fine. but there was one moment

right before super tuesday when heidi was at home and caroline was sitting on the couch and was watching, i don't know, may have been fox news, was watching tv and some commentator was saying well, every -- it would be a disaster for cruz if donald trump wins the state of texas. and caroline, my 7-year-old who has no interest in politics jumps up on the couch, sticks both fingers in her ears and says not gonna happen. not gonna happen. [cheers and applause] right. >> and heidi called to tell me that story and i doubled over laughing. >> they keep you grounded. >> beyond grounded. >> i have seen them with all the debates. and i have seen you playing with your girls in between the debates. that must be your secret sauce right there staying connected to them.

one of the question by one of the attendees here today. a police officer is here injured in the line of duty. he said he was either too proud or too stupid to the disability benefits offered to him and he has struggled ever since. he wondered how we can create a mind set among americans to not abuse these social net programs, safety net programs. [cheers and applause] >> well, let me say first of all to the officer who was here who was injured -- >> -- i'm here. >> thank you. [cheers and applause] [ applause ]

>> standing ovation. >> thank you, sir. and thank you to every one of the officers who is here to risk your lives every day to keep us safe. [cheers and applause] >> we are grateful for what you do. and i will tell you this. one of the most disgraceful things of the last seven years has been the treatment of cops. [cheers and applause]xaaog the demonization, the ville vilification, coming from the president, coming from the attorney general is absolutely unacceptable. i give you my solemn promise

that will end on january 27th. >> [cheers and applause] >> to sum it up, the mind set. >> the question about the social safety net, it's an incrediblably important one. my view is the social safety net should be a trampoline and not a hammock. that the entire purpose. listen, everyone gets down on their luck. everyone faces hard times. we need to help people when they are in hard times. but the critical object of the welfare programs should be to get people off of the welfare programs. [cheers and applause] you know, you look at one of the most successful public policy innovation of modern times it was welfare reform in the mid 1990s, where millions of people who had been on welfare when they put a work requirement in went out and got jobs. here is the critical thing that the left doesn't understand, you're not helping anyone by making them dependent. [cheers and applause]

by strapping them in dependency on government. and i believe we need to champion every able bodied adult ought to be working or actively looking for a job and the entire purpose, every one of the welfare programs, even disability programs, people with disabilities are still capable, in many, many cases of doing meaningful work. maybe not heavy manual labor. >> this man who has six replaced disk in his neck is chopping firewood right now for a living. unbelievable. [cheers and applause] >> and when big government traps people in dependency, it zaps them of their self-respect. it zaps them of the dignity of work of coming home and looking your kids into the eyes and providing for them. and that is integral to achieving the american dream. and it's one of the tragedies of the obama economy is that so many have been trapped in. >> all right, senator cruz, stand by.

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welcome back, everyone, to our special kelly file. back now with texas senator ted cruz. where there is a lot of enthusiasm for you in this room. i want to take you back to last week's debate that we had in detroit. and the negative feedback that a lot of voters had to it not exactly the moderators, more the candidates and the dialogue that we saw out there, the nature of the discussion. you said the campaign has gone to the gutter. what do you make of it? >> well, listen, i think personal insults, with just

add homonym attacks. listen, i have no views whatsoever on any part of donald trump's anatomy. [ laughter ] i frankly could not care less. and i don't think the voters care either. if other candidates decide they want to engage in name-calling and insults that's their prerogative, they can do so. but i'm not going to respond in kind. i'm going to keep the focus on substance, on issues, on the problemscekejt this country and on solutions. >> you had a statement about, you know, children watching that debate and some of the references that were made. and you said we shouldn't be in a position where we feel embarrassed by our president. now, trump, in particular, has come out and said i will not be like this as

president. you know we are in a rough and tumble campaign. [ laughter ] i know how to behave. you. >> you know, actions speak louder than words. [cheers and applause] and donald has also told us that he will be someone totally different as president. he said he can be the most politically correct person on earth. you know what? let me talk for a minute to the folks who are supporting donald. i understandwçzjr why people are supporting donald. you are angry. look, i'm angry. we are all angry. we are angry at washington. we're angry at politicians who lie to us. who lie to us over and over again. they make promises and they don't do what they said they would do. [cheers and applause] and i understand if your angry that trump is the loudest, angriest voiy so that feels like a vessel to

express that anger. but donald has, number one, been intrick integrally involved in the corruption in washington for 40 years. if you are fed up with washington corruption, you don't support someone who has been supporting liberal democrats from jimmy carter to john kerry to joe biden to harry reid, to chuck schumer, to hillary clinton making multiple contributions to her presidential campaign. [cheers and applause] and megyn, the corruption is bipartisan. you are right. he has supported the washington establishment both the democrats and republicans. he has funded open border democrats for 40 years. but also critically, if you are tired of politicians lying to you. if you think donald, quote, tells it like it is, he is telling us he is lying to

us. he is saying the day after he is elected he would be someone exactly different than he is. i will tell you, megyn, the day after i'm elected president, i will be the exact same person i am today. [cheers and applause] >> i got to ask you one question. i have got to ask you one question on that. because he comes after you as you know as, quote, lying ted. is he calling you lying ted. one of the things that you come under fire for is what happened in iowa with dr. ben carson and that whole thing. [crowd booing] >> there is a reason i'm bringing it up there is a report out today in hawaii something similar is happening with your supporters and marco rubio in an ad that's gone out that says wasted vote. and aruba's campaign is accusing you of disgusting tactics because the email says multiple media reports say marco rubio is being pressured to drop out before florida and his campaign

denies it do you stand by that? do you call for that to be pulled? >> well, look, the nature of politics is that when a campaign is flailing, they attack. and they attack other candidates, and they attack their integrity. this particular email apparently came from a volunteer in hawaii. not affiliated with the campaign. not working for the campaign. not under authorization from the campaign. we have over 200,000 volunteers across the country. i cannot control nor i do want to control what 200,000 volunteers do. >> you don't stand by that. >> not only that, our legal counsel sent them a letter saying take that email down. one volunteer sent out. and, by the way, they forwarded a cnn story that was the lead story on drudge is what the volunteer did. now, we asked them to take it down anyway. why? because we knew that other campaigns would seek to make political hay out of it use it to try to attack my integrity because the volunteer forwards a story

that's the leade story on drudge to other voters. and we knew that reporters would do what you are doing which is ask doesn't it prove this you are unethical that voters are forwarding links to news stories. >> that wasn't exactly how i phrased it. >> i have no idea if the story is true or false. i have no idea. but this is the way -- this is the way politics is played. where if you have a campaign, where the rubio campaign they don't want to focus on the issues. they want to talk about donald's hands. [ laughter ] you know, how about focusing on how we solve the problems. [cheers and applause] >> that's exactly where we are goings to pick it up, right after this break. don't go away. some stories about senator cruz you have never heard with some pictures you have neve

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and welcome back to our special "t and welcome back to our special "kelly file." now it's time to talk about one very important issue. that is family. so we went back and found some old pictures of you, senator.

you're campaign has been good nif to provide us with they want. his father told him he went there in mission nard work. i would like to ask how a c conservative like you could ever be 5:00 tifr.

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where he can get it. we're celebrating the party and we're just rocking the dorm. and you can hear them all just griting their tooet.

and then you went onto meet your beautiful wife, heidi. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. thaing.