thanks for watching. bill will be back on monday. please remember, the spin stops here, because we're looking out for you. breaking tonight. the showdown between donald trump and some of his critics getting intense, as protesters make plans to target a rally tomorrow and the trump team deals with some fallout from direct threats to them today. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. we have live pictures out of utah where donald trump is scheduled to be speaking in moments. protesters have been gathering over the last hour or so. and just a moment ago, we saw this. protesters beating a donald trump pinata. governor kasich spent part of his day here, as well. and ted cruz was in arizona, a

winner take all primary there holds the promise of 58 delegates on tuesday. on top of the 40 up for grabs in utah, that makes 100 total coming up in the next week. but before that, donald trump found himself dealing with some disturbing new threats today. trace gallagher is live with that report. trace? >> reporter: a hand written let we are a boston postmark was delivered to the apartment of donald trump's 32-year-old son, eric. when his wife opened it, the note read, if your father does not drop out of the race, the next envelope won't be fake, signed with an x. initial tests indicate the powder is not hazardous. still, the fbi, secret service and new york police are all investigating. the entire trump family has been given a safety briefing, including how to properly handle mail. for now, secret service protection only extends to donald trump, but security

experts believe the visibility of trump's children on the campaign trail has likely turned them into targets. there is no evidence the letter with the white powder is at all connected to the hacking of donald trump's personal files but the group anonymous, which has posted some of trump's personal information online, including his social security, address and phone numbers. anonymous also released another youtube video calling on people to stop donald trump's "fourth reich." >> donald trump is an enemy of the constitution. his rallies are filled with brazen hatred, racism and violence. >> this marks the third anonymous video targeting trump. the first was in lesdecember, following comments about muslims in the u.s. the other came when they asked other hackers to go after

trump's websites and sabotage his brand. the trump campaign says it's leaving this up to police. megyn? >> trace, thank you. with protesters gathering in salt lake city, on top of a monday speech in washington, d.c., what can we expect? the folks at showtime took that to a trump rally. watch what happens. ♪ >> well, you've got to hold up your sign as high as you can and start shouting trump, trump, trump, trump. and drown them out. that's the way we do it.

>> he's a one-man party. he single handedly took out the establishment and he's taking on the democratic establishment. i mean, really? >> trump, trump, trump! >> i don't care about race. i just believe in the love, and i see trump as love. >> joining me now, jose antonio vargas, a film maker, with attorney david wahl. jose, your thoughts on what we're likely to see as we go forward at these trump events, because we're getting wind that the folks who oppose donald trump are organized and determined to make themselves

heard. >> if donald trump is using free speech to promote racism, sexism, violence, in the rhetoric he's been using, a lot of these organizers are exercising their free speech and right to assemble and organize. >> let me ask you this, totally, you don't like speech, answer to speech you don't like is not less speech, it's more speech. so what do you make of what we saw in chicago where they shut down the speech? donald trump could not speak. those who wanted to hear him could not hear him. >> all i know is that given what has happened and given what donald trump has been saying for months now. megyn, you've been the target of this, right? what does donald trump expect, that he's just going to say all these things and people aren't going to react. >> well, reaction is one thing, but shutting down -- >> but for them to shut up -- you've seen footage of donald

trump supporters pushing people out, black people, talking about get that mexican out there. that kind of language and the actions at these rallies. i've got to say, arizona is like the alabama of the 21st century. and joe arpaio is going to be there, the bull connor? donald trump is running a george wallace campaign. >> david, in some cases folks at the trump rallies have been disrupters and disrespectful and giving the finger and yelling obscenities at trump supporters who are there just to listen to a presidential candidate. in other instances, they have been peaceful protesters who have been manhandled and we've seen that on tape. >> exactly. we've seen footage of that -- >> that's for david. you understand jose's point? >> i do. he's in arizona now. i've got a good friend, hispanic

lawyer, two family members are unemployed. jobs are the big thing for him. some of the rhetoric was bad, but his family members want jobs and no other candidate is talking about this. preventing the ex-portation of jobs to mexico, to china, making the prohibitive tariffs so they'll come back. his family wants jobs, mexicans, hispanics, they hate social welfare. and he loves trump and i'm telling you, the support is much bigger than you might think. 45% of hispanics in the primary of nevada supported donald trump. going back to 2004, 44% of hispanics -- >> that was about 100 people. let's not mislead the audience. >> there's a whole sample, though. >> but the thing is, the latest poll shows 77% has a negative

view of donald trump. but maybe they have a negative opinion because they heard the comment about hispanics being rapists and murderers, but however, i heard people say i know what he was trying to do there. i haven't heard him say a bunch of racist or anti-immigrant or anti-hispanic things other than he wants to shore up the border and i think he's a job creator. >> again, given all of donald trump's business history, his ties are made in china that he's selling at macy's. back to your point. there's a lot of people who feel insecure about the job market out there. i totally understand that. but for donald trump to go out there and paint a broad brush of who these people are, mexicans, muslims, what he's said. so many black people have gotten kicked out of his rallies.

>> but you know what? he's employed thousands of hispanics. and when you talk about the wall, hispanic americans are americans first and they also want the protection the wall would provide. >> i've got to go, but i have to ask this question quickly. jose, you are here in the country illegally. you've been very public about that. >> and i'm not from mexico. >> do you worry about your friends who are here illegally? do you worry about what is going to happen to you under a trump presidency? >> do i worry? my grandmother worries. the fastest growing undocumented population in america are asians, not latinos. the conversation has been not only toxic, but so much is inaccurate.

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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. ♪ breaking tonight, just one week after the chaos in chicago, and we are seeing a much smaller group of protesters at donald trump's event as he gets ready to address supporters in salt lake city, utah tonight. last week at this hour, protesters succeeded in forcing trump to shut down his event out of fears for his supporter's safety and stifling free speech in the process. joining me now, jamal green, a community activist and one of

the leaders of last week's chicago protests, with trayhern krou cruz, an organizer for black lives matter, with herman cain. mr. cain, pleasure to have you back on the program. >> thank you. i'm enjoying it. thank you very much. >> let me start with you. you were one of the leaders of the protest in chicago. you described it as a win when it got shut down chicago. is it a win when you shut down somebody else's first amendment rights? >> we didn't shut down his first amendment rights. this man chose to not come and express his first amendment right. he had every right to. he talked to law enforcement. even our intern superintendent informed him they had enough security and -- >> why did you feel it was important to show up there and do what you did? >> well, you know what?

we are tired of seeing him discriminate against people that are hispanic, blacks, he is talking bad about women. so we were going there to not try to shut down his free throw dom of speech, but to actually tell him listen, this is not the type of character of a man supposed to be running for president. >> what has he done with respect to blacks and immigrants that you object to? >> you know what? he made comments when he was -- when he first announced he was running for president saying that hispanics are bringing in rapists and, you know, killers and drug dealers. that is what we did not like. we do not like people that is going to say oh, women are -- call women fat slobs. he even called you a bimbo on twitter last year. this is a man that disrespects everyone. he disrespects presidential candidates. he called marco rubio "little

marco." he called senator sanders a liar. you know, he just -- the character he is is not great. >> herman cain, your comments on that point? >> jamal and mr. vargas, your previous guest, are part of the political noise machine. they pick on the sound bites that some people are trying to project as the perception of donald trump. and it's totally inaccurate and unfair. so he's going off on a statement here, an isolated statement here, and when he says he offended all mexicans or illegals, no, he said the bad people. he is not a racist, and in case mr. jamal and mr. vargas haven't looked up the definition, go look up the definition. donald trump does not satisfy the definition of a racist or any of these other things that they're putting out there. they are in denial that donald

trump is someone who will be forceful in doing the things that are right for all americans. free speech is not a license for them to conduct the disruption that they are basically perpetuating on some of these events. there's a big difference. >> trayhern, your thoughts on what herman cain just said? he made a comment and that the events have been isolated and in his view, donald trump is no racist. >> i disagree with mr. cain respectfully. also, i'm from the organization black st. paul and in st. paul, minnesota, the city council almost voted to ban donald trump from coming to the city because of some of the things he has been saying. but i disagree. i'm not going to say whether donald trump is racist or not, but he's saying racist things. >> what specifically? >> when he says let's make

america white again, that sounds like a racist statement -- >> he didn't say that! >> he didn't say let's make america white again. no, he didn't! >> i never heard that statement, megyn. >> no, i've never heard that either. that sounds maybe a supporter or somebody on twitter. but donald trump has never said that. that would have been big news. >> megyn -- >> that's part of the problem -- >> he was endorsed by the klu klux klan. >> even if they did, he can't help who endorses him. a lot of freaks out there endorse you. what are you going to do them? he did disavow the kkk, he stumbled on it a day or two. >> what he is saying is exactly what they use to try to get people incited to believe that he's a racist. donald trump didn't say that. donald trump is not political noise machine, like your guests and the previous guest are saying about donald trump. >> you know what -- >> the problem i have is

misrepresenting what the man says for their objectives. and their objective is destruction and intimidation. >> what about that, trayhern. if you misrepresent the record, it undermines your whole argument. >> exactly. >> go ahead. >> they are all about -- >> go ahead, trayhern. >> what does the klu klux klan see in donald trump where they say we'll put our endorsement behind you? what does david duke see that they want to endorse donald trump? >> maybe they see jobs or a strong military. as long as donald trump didn't endorse them, that's not a big sin. you are using that to incite black people, hispanic people

and non-white people to portray him as a racist. that's what you're doing. >> i want to ask you this, i know that you are the person who organized that one rally, that protest against police, where the people started chanting "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon." you know many people say why should we listen to this guy on matters of race and decor rum? i want to give you the chance to answer. >> i didn't say fry anybody like bacon. i can't start that chant. but i understood, you know, what was going on in that moment that the police and the protesters were having a playful moment at that time. so, no. >> uh-huh. >> we were never advocating to do harm to the police. and right now, i wouldn't be advocating doing harm to donald trump or anybody in his family. so that's the thing.

but my thing is, the klu klux klan and david duke see something in donald trump -- >> i understand. you made that point. i don't know how playful the police officers thought that moment was. i think the officers have a different idea of a good time. great to see all of you. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you, megyn. these protesters are starting to march in utah, and they're getting louder and we are staying on this story as we await remarks from mr. trump. we'll go live to our reporter who is indeed this thing right after the break. plus, howie and jorge on 2016 and the media when we come back. [engines revving] you can't have a hero, if you don't have a villain. the world needs villains [tires screeching] and villains need cars. ♪

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breaking tonight. protests getting louder in utah, ahead of this trump event. the candidate was supposed to start speaking at 9:00 p.m. eastern. peter doocy is live in the middle of this. what can you tell us?

>> reporter: we're really -- trump hasn't even arrived yet, but at one point, just about ten minutes ago, several hundred anti-trump protesters, who do seem to be mostly bernie sanders supporters based on the signs and the arguments that they've been making, showed up. when that happened, all these anti-trump protesters were in the middle of the street. and then the line of people that could not get into this trump event because the venue was so small, all spilled into the streets. and some people seem to be having a sense of humor about this. but i've got to tell you, things are pretty combustible. it's hard to get around in this crowd. but lots of signs and words that you can't say on tv. and you can just tell from the way that people are getting in

each other's faces, again, it's not a big group against a big group. but there are pockets that seem like really they are just teetering on the edge of something that could be very unpleasant like last friday. megyn? >> peter, how do we know these are supporters of senator demanders? >> reporter: we were over there as they were gathering at a building just down the street, and they were saying that they like bernie sanders a lot better. the signs that you can't see now that they had on the other side of the street were for bernie sanders. so i think you might have had one at the beginning of your show before things just filled in, in the street. now it's hard to tell which side the trump people are and which side the sanders people are. so this big crowd is new. but big crowds make law enforcement and organizers a little antsy.

>> yeah, not seeing a lot of security there. we apologize for the delay with peter there. we have a seven-second delay there. as we continue to watch these protests, new analysis of the presidential campaign finds that donald trump is the big winner, at least when it comes to media coverage. according to a new report, and a firm that tracks media coverage, trump has earned close to $2 billion worth of free media attention. $2 billion. that's about twice the amount of the most expensive campaigns in history. when you look at his numbers compared to the others, quite frankly there is no comparison. joining me now is howie kurtz and jorge ramos. we begin with jorge. great to see you again, sir. thank you for being here. so this media coverage is an interesting piece of the trump

story, because every election night, we sit there and someone says, he did it without spending almost nothing on ads. but the truth is, he doesn't have to. >> well, i have to say that he has defined a presidential race that he is news, what he says makes news. he has been winning polls and elections. so i don't object to the attention. but i object is how reporters are covering donald trump. i think he has to be challenged much more. some of the interviews are, honestly really embarrassing. they give him a free pass. he has to be challenged on what he said about mexican immigrants, what he said about muslims, what he said about women, what he said about women is offensive and sexist. what he said about mexican immigrants, simply wrong and false. and is he going to ban 1.5 billion people from the united states simply because of their

religion? so i don't understand why he's getting all the attention. but the way we are covering donald trump is not the right way. he was dangerous. he was promoting hatred. he's doing exactly the same thing right now. >> two points on that. he has been challenged on all of those things you mentioned. that has happened. but the other thing is, when raising a challenge along the lines that you just suggested, is it really the reporter's job to say this is hateful? this is sexist? this is racist? or is it the reporter's job to say these are the facts, this is what you said and as we say here at fox, we report, you decide, viewers. >> absolutely. i think we have to confront him with all the things he has said. but our most important social responsibility is to confront those who are seeking power. so when it comes to discrimination, racism, corruption, dictatorships, i think we have to take a stand. and i haven't seen that much when it comes to interviews or

even in press conferences. i think donald trump has been disrespectful with many reporters. he has banned some reporters from covering the press conferences. unless we do that, and that is our responsibility, i don't know who is going to do it. that's precisely our job, to ask tough questions. and honestly, i don't think he's within getting the tough questions. and when everybody asks him about process in polls, but we have to ask him about content, about racism and discrimination. >> the question is, to what extent is that because trump intimidates many in the media and others simply want access? he's not the be all, end all. the fox news debate that didn't have donald trump got 12.5 million viewers. the cnn debate that followed got 13 million.

i would submit i'm the second highest rated show in cable news and i haven't had him on in seven months. but many people don't want to pick him off, jorge. >> part of it has to do with the idea that neutrality is what we have to do, but when we are being faced with sexist and racist remarks, it has to be a different ball game. part of it has to do with access. now, with donald trump, it's the first time in 30 years that i've been ejected from a press conference. the only other time was with fidel castro. his bodyguard pushed him aside when i asked about lack of democracy in cuba. >> but then he let you back in. >> look, i can't trust donald

trump with my cell phone number. he would publish it. and now he's asking us to trust him with the country. and our job as reporters is to ask questions. >> from univision has been banned from some of his events, fusion has been banned. politico's reporter just got banned because they did a negative article. "the des moines register"'s reporter was banned. then we saw this example. this is something that's been bothering a lot of people in the press. at every trump event, we have a pool photographer. all the networks chip in and we have one cameraman that shoots the candidate. they do that at the cruz events, too. he gets paid to shoot the candidate. and he gets told, just keep the camera on the candidate. this guy probably makes $60,000 a year.

this is not somebody that makes $10 billion as trump claims he does. this is what he does to them repeatedly. watch. >> look at the guy in the middle. look at the guy in the middle. why aren't you turning that camera? why aren't you turning the camera? [ crowd boos ] terrible. you're so terrible. look at him. he doesn't turn the camera. he doesn't turn the camera. it's disgusting. >> he tries to shame these guys. these are regular guys. he tries to shame them. the question is, what does this portend for a president trump when it comes to the media in your view? >> i think he's showing a lot of disrespect to reporters. and i think it is very dangerous. he was dangerous nine months ago and he's dangerous right now. but it is very dangerous when a

potential candidate attacks a group or reporters. i still remember when he told me, go back to univision. those are code words. just a few seconds later, one of his supporters outside the press room, told me, get out of my country. that's precisely the kind of hatred that he's been promoting and it is contagious. that's exactly the same kind of treatment that he's been giving to many reporters. so it is not only how we are treating donald trump that i think is wrong and has to change. but it's also the way he's been treating reporters. and if we allow that, i don't think we're doing our job, megyn. >> and others then see how certain reporters get treated and they don't want the same for themselves. and then they make their own choices. jorge, great to see you. >> thank you. while we were showing you that interview with jorge ramos, things have ramped up outside this trump event.

take a look at the pictures we just got in. [ overlapping yelling ] >> i apologize. you can see tempers running high. we ran into this last friday, too. howard kurtz is with me now. to comment on this. howie, we've been watching this happen last week and this. you know, the anger is just so high in this country right now, and trump is both tapping into this anger and also, as we heard from some of our guests tonight, causing some in response. >> well, trump's whole candidacy has been fueled on the anger and resentment of many of the republicans voting for him. it's ridiculous to say he hasn't had hundreds of tough

interviews, but as we watch these pictures, it reminds me of what happened in chicago last friday night when trump had to shut it down. i think to some extent, i have been surprised he hasn't toned down his language a little bit. at the same time, i think it's unfair to blame the candidate when organized protesters show up with the express purpose of shutting down one of his events. i think the media's focus ought to be as much on that as the candidate's rhetoric. >> absolutely. these guys have a right the speak, they're running for president. and people that go to listen to him, they have the right to hear him. you can stand outside and make your point and hold up the bull horn and say what you want. that is quintessentially american. that is what we were made to do. but you can't shut down the event. you can't threaten people out of listening. >> i am all in favor of peaceful protests, but some people who go

to these rallies that hate donald trump, they want to stir up trouble. this is how they make their political point. that's not how we do it in this country. on the other hand, if this continues to happen repeatedly, and this is a real challenge for donald trump. he has to figure out maybe how to lower the temperature a little bit, while not certainly caving in to the protesters, the people who are the intentional disrupters. but it may give some people the sense that the country or part of the country is turning against him and this at a time when he should be sort of basking in the fact that he's way ahead in the presidential race. he wants to unify the republican party. this is now a counternarrative that he has to figure out how to deal with. but it's our job to tell both sides and not to just focus on donald trump's words, because there are some people there who don't believe in free speech. >> that's right.

[ overlapping yelling ] >> they've broken into song. i don't recognize it. can you hear it, steve? they're singing the bee gees. no, we're joking. they're clearly fired up and we're trying to figure out what is their message? i want to ask you about jorge's point on trump media coverage. he just generates it, people he attracts, as we're seeing here. and yet the media has been complicit to a large part in granting him that $2 billion worth of free media coverage. you and i know better than anybody fox news sunday anchor chris wallace is the only sunday show anchor who will not allow trump to do a phoner on that program. the sunday shows don't allow it, except they do for trump. all the morning shows, cable and

broadcast, let him phone in, and they don't let the other candidates do it. and you tell me, howie, whether that's fair. >> two quick points. one is, there are some trump detractors who feel like it's the media's job to stop trump. it is our role to be aggressive but to be fair. i've been saying for months the endless hours of airtime at the trump rallies when the other candidates don't get that is unfair to the other candidates. but on the -- and i totally agree, let trump appear on camera and not just phone in. >> and what about the wall-to-wall coverage of his cam pan rallies, and there's nothing but an entertaining speech which is not done for the other candidates. >> cable news does this in large part for ratings. we see this a lot on msnbc and cnn. fox has done it, as well. when he does the interviews, i think the point is, he's getting much more air time because he's done hundreds of interviews.

he subjects himself to journalistic questioning -- >> no one is criticizing that. you want to show up and subject yourself, that's great. good for him. but the constant phoners, that is a danger, because you meander off into unfair territory when you do that for one but not the others. is it fair to the process or to the viewers? i'll give you the final word. >> it's a bending of the rules that we should collectively stop doing. when i sit down with donald trump, it's face to face. the phoners, it's just not a good way to conduct business unless it is breaking news. >> it's a pain in the butt for you. you have to travel across the country and sit down. it's easier to do a phoner. but you're supposed to be professional. peter doocy in the midst of all

this live on the phone right now in salt lake city. what's happening? >> reporter: there is absolutely no daylight right now, but we see trump supporters and these trump protesters. the people who are protesting trump right now, they're chanting "hey, hey, ho, ho, trurp has to go." they have also chanted for black lives matter and they also added to that with a lot of things that they've said that cannot be repeated on television. now, really surprising about the way that this crowd has just mixed in with the trump haters and the trump lovers. for about half an hour before 7:00 when trump was supposed to get here, the police put the bernie people on one side and the trump on the other. and the police were in the middle of the street. but we do not see very many police for this kind of crowd.

actually, there are some officers just to the right of this shot. they're not trying to break up the crowd or disburse the crowd. but they are the first officers and actually megyn, for the first time all day, i do see officers who have come with a shield on them. this is all going on. it varies in intensity. at times it's frightening to be standing right in between some of them that are going at it. but keep in mind, this could go on for a long time, because donald trump is still not here. he's 45 minutes behind schedule. as you know, these things usually don't break up until a candidate or whoever is being protested shows up and everybody knows that they're not going to have their choices heard anymore. >> so what we're seeing on camera is peaceful protesters.

they're angry in some pockets. they have profanity written on their signs and are using some. [ inaudible ] >> reporter: the pockets of people i've seen on each side, it looked like there are some folks who came here with some provocative intentions. there are some people who came here looking for trouble. but you have not seen anybody thrown to the ground. i've seen some signs thrown to the ground and stomped on, but so far nothing -- the real surprise at this point is just that -- it's not something that you see very often at these rallies, the haters a and the lovers of donald trump are right on top of each other, and he's not even here yet. so we don't know what's going to happen. i'm following right behind a camera shot that you're looking

at. there are some police here. we can't see exactly where they're going or why they came in. >> peter, i realize it's difficult because we're doing a phoner and you're not on kacame. but can you try to interview some of these folks and see how they feel? >> reporter: excuse me, sir, what is your name. >> max. >> reporter: this is a live television interview. what brought you out today? >> i love trump. i want to audit the federal reserve and release the 9/11 commission report. >> reporter: and there are a lot of chants going on tonight. have you been yelling? what is your point you're trying to make to the other side? >> stop drinking the fluoride. >> reporter: what about you sir, what brought you out here today? >> make america great again. >> reporter: so this is on the

backside, megyn. please know i'm just holding up an iphone ear bud to some of these people. i'm trying to make my way over towards some of the standard folks over here. excuse me, i'm live on television. what is your name? >> sarah. >> reporter: what brought you out tonight? >> trump is scary. we don't need people like that in power. >> reporter: how long are you going to state here? what is your plan for tonight? >> i'm going to stay here as long as i have to. as long as there are people supporting that man, i will be here protesting him. >> reporter: what about you, sir? what brought you out here today? watch the language. this is a live interview. >> i just don't want to see a racist run our country. >> reporter: what about you, sir? this is a live interview.

what's your name? >> lucas. >> reporter: what brought you out here? >> donald trump is a -- >> reporter: thank you, thank you. megyn, you're getting a little flavor from both sides there in the middle of the crowd. people are very upset. but so far, no violence as more and more police officers come into this crowd that has gotten really, really big. there are definitely several thousand people here now. >> peaceful protests, that's what we're all about. if it gets violent, it will get shut down. just one correction, i think it's stop drinking the kool-aid, it's not fluoride. i want to get to one of our guess, senator scott brown, a trump supporter, along with rich lowery. both are fox news contributors and with me now. thank you very much for being here. rich, let me start with you on your reaction to what we're

seeing. >> well, so long as they're not inside their heckling and trying to shut down the event, i think it's fine to have pro-trump and anti-trump people jawboning peacefully, that's fine. that's what we do as americans. one thing i was struck by, when peter said why are you here? and he said, to make america great again. which just goes to how priceless and powerful donald trump's branding has been. for any political candidate to go to his supporters randomly on the street, i imagine if peter asked ten trump supporters, eight of them would say that. if you went to a marco rubio supporter, he would say, i'm here to meet the challenges of the new america. or to cruz, i'm here to unite courageous conservatives.

no. it just shows how trump's message has energized people both pro and con. >> the other thing we've heard is they said he's scary. they think he's a racist, that he's xenophobic. the other guy said i don't want to see a racist run our country. what do you think about this perception? i would bet a lot of senator sanders supporters do not like ted cruz and probably don't think much of john kasich, but they don't show up like this. why is this happening to trump? >> they don't show up because they're not in the lead. when you have somebody in the lead with delegates and popular vote in, as a populist bringing out people, different people that haven't voted in years. you have those reagan democrats coming over. you had herman cain on earlier. he's not a racist. he nailed it. you may not agree with the way

he talks, but he's talking about things people talk about in their living and dining rooms, talking about the border, immigration, talking about our debt and our deficit and economy. those are the things he's talking about. he may not say it as smoothly as a lot of these politicians that have been doing it their whole lives, but he's doing a good darn job against some seasoned people. >> we heard from some women and we've seen women 59 these rallies pointing out they're not happy about his comments on women. there's a poll showing he has very poor numbers when it comes to women. those are statements you can pin point specifically, and they don't -- it wasn't just sort of a general, okay, i didn't condemn the kkk fast enough. how do you see that working out for him? >> part of the trick, if you look at george w. bush and barack obama, is convincing the

other side, at least temporarily, not let fear and hate control you. even if he's the most soothing guy for the next seven month it is he wins the nomination, all this stuff is already on tape and on the record. there was some doubt going into this general election whether hillary clinton could activate the so-called coalition eed ob. there is no doubt those people will be out in force because donald trump is such a motivator for them in a negative way. >> senator brown, what do you make of that and the language on women? >> first of all, i don't agree with some of the comments. i have a house full of women. the women i know, like you, will fight back and they'll tell them how they feel about his comments and the like. i think he's activating a lot of people. donald trump, and the people he

puts around him, will obviously activate a lot of people. it's an exciting time. if you look why we're in this situation, i agree whole heartedly, part of the game is what this president has done, being one of the greatest dividers in our country's history. black versus white, rich/poor, occupy wall street, main street/wall street, 99% and 1%. there's so many different cliques and clashes in this country. no wonder we're in the situation we're in right now. >> it's quite something to see, is it not? when i see all the people out there demonstrating, i don't know, that's not a bad thing, right? no matter what the cause is, this iss quintessentially american. it's when it crosses over. they're doing a pretty good job keeping it -- i don't know, you tell me your reaction.

>> if nothing else, people are interested and engaged, no doubt about that. and trump has tapped into something. but what a statesman does, like ronald reagan, he tapped into that and he made it something better. he made it something constructive. the cause against trump, if he's tapping into these passions, it isn't making him better or making them constructive. in fact, he's encouraged people at his rallies to beat up protesters, saying in the good old days we used to send them out on a stretcher. you can't imagine reagan or any serious statesman speaking that way. so there's still major resistance to him in the party because he's not a conservative and doesn't act the way most people think a president of the united states should act. >> megyn, not everybody is a conservative, with all due

respect to rich who i have a lot of respect for, we're all americans first. and obviously the country is fired up right now. if you think this protest wasn't planned by either moveon.org or black lives matter, then you don't get it. i've been protested. anybody who is in public service in a big election has been protested. not to this extent, but this brings back a lot of memories when we were battling. it's clear to me that this is being instigated by people who have a very clear agenda to do exactly what you're seeing right now, this disruption on the tv and painting a picture that's not a flattering one. so here we go. >> yeah. we talked about that at the top of the show, some of these groups are organizing protests or these campaign events and this may be the first of a lot we see this weekend. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies. then your eyes may see it differently.

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the protest goes on and so does mr. trump. he has appeared now and will give his rk we're going to go off on the weekend. we'll see you on monday. have a great one. i'm megyn kelly. welcome to "hannity." we're coming to you live from phoenix, arizona. wow. for the entire hour, we'll be joined by republican presidential candidate texas senator ted cruz. we obviously have a large audience watching the program tonight. they are here for an event put together by the super pac keep the promise. we have a lot to cover in the next 60 minutes. voters in arizona head to the polls on tuesday to pick who they want to be their party's nominee. you ready to get things started? joining me now, 2016 republican presidential candidate tas