jihadi, all that stuff. this is a redifficult and decades long war. >> we don't have much time now. ed davis, i really prern it. for those asking, the white rose symbolizes new hope and new birth. thank you. hello, everyone. i'm dana perino. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." >> breaking today, u.s. forces have taken out the second in chance of isis along with other leaders. first, explosions and gunfire as police hunt down more suspects from the attacks. at least three arrested earlier. the hunt goes on for the suspects seen with the two airport bombers along with the man linked to the metro bombing. >> and as far as what happened out here, the mayor of the

municipality says the federal prosecutors had specific information about the individual taken down here and they needed to act quickly. that's exactly what happened. i can show you some of the aftermath of the gunfire that happened. they put a little tape around it. we know there are different witness accounts as far as how it went down here but ultimately this individual was shot in the leg. there was a little girl with him. and the security forces had to coach this little girl away before they brought in the bomb robot. a bag belonging to this man was searched. something was found in that bag. the information was that he was dragged off. we've got information that this was linked to the raid. in that particular raid a man was taken into custody. he is called the high level operative at the advance stages of planning and attack. a working bomb was taken from his residence.

he has a history in brussels. he was convicted last july in belgium of recruiting isis fighters. a lot of history, a lot of interconnection and a lot of activity. six peel were taken down. four raid that's we know of today. three taken down. two of them shot in the leg. the french president says this is all part of an inconnected network. but france was. he believes this specific network has largely been dismantled. >> today our defense secretary made a big announcement. our military took out the number two in isis, the finance minister. >> the u.s. military killed several key isis terrorists this week including, we believe, haji imam. the removal of this isil leader will hamper the organization's ability to conduct operations both inside and outside of iraq. is the momentum of this campaign

is clearly on our side. >> secretary of state john kerry gave another one of his rosy assessments today. >> the very reason dash is resorting to this, is that the cal fate is collapsing before their eyes. its territory is shrinking every day. its leaders are being decimated. the revenue sources are dwindling and its fighters are fleeing. >> a report he followed up with him on that in brussels earlier. >> how can you say that we're winning the fight against isis if they've been able to strike western europe in the last four months? >> because we are winning. the fact that you can strike by senting a couple of would be would be suicidal fighters does

not mean they're winning. it mean they have struck a horrible blow and been willing to take lives with them. >> eric, let me start with you on either of these things. i've wanted to get your take on the killing of the finance guy. he was able to build up a cash flow and have operations where they're even trying to govern and collect taxes. >> so again, we've heard the number twos getting taken out in the past and another three moves up into the number two spot. but the fact that he had some finance back ground i guess is a good sign. where's baghdadi? bring him down. then i think you have kind of hurt them psychologically. number three is thrilled. now he becomes number two. john kerry. what was that? we're winning the war on terror now because -- because we are? because we got number two? and those guys in the airport were just a couple of suicidal people. really? they killed 34 at least

including two americans and that's how you're going -- we're winning, if that's your assessment of the war, i guess we're winning but it is completely wrong. >> do you think that, this is total speculation but hey, this is "the five." the arrests and then the attacks that happened in belgium, do you think that had anything to do with our being able to link and find the location of the isis number two? >> i would like to think they're doing these high level investigations and actually linking things together to make forward vanlss. taking out isis. but when you hear somebody like john kerry say that oh, these are a couple of suicidal people, it is really insulting. especially to the victims and the family members. 30 plus dead but others injured, maimed, blown to bits, beam amputations, horrible. mike burns. you saw that interview from the

hospital. talking about the people that he saw covered in blood. some of it not his own. you can't say we're winning against isis. i'm so happy we took out number two. take out the kingpin. that will send out some shots. you can't stop there. another isis guy will pop up of a that. you have to cut off the money smi and you have to hit them hard so they're not able to commit acts of terror in europe or against the united states. you can knock them out there. that will prevent them coming is that doing damage there and in europe. and john kerry was talking about suicidal people coming to the airport and having an attack. we know from earlier, 400 fighters, apparently isis said 400 people are on their way to wage guerrilla warfare.

>> this is what they do. i think the number two with the cia, morrell just came out, a former obama guy and said america is losing. i don't think you can discount that. you've had san bernardino. the deadly attack on u.s. soil since 9/11. christian genocide. people being burmd. people being beheaded. and then obama saying, what we need to do is say we're winning and they're losing and that will defeat them. once he unleashes special operators, that's great. but the counter punch. they set off a bomb and we hit them. they set off a bol and we hit them. why are not we hitting they will every single day? why isn't that the strategy? >> i think you're pointing out a semantics problem. instead of being excited or happy that we've taken out number two, the problem is john kerry goes too far in the way

he's framing it. to say we're winning by what measure? i don't think most americans are comforted by words like we're winning when hungs have been injured. 30 some plus dead just this week. and words like containment. that doesn't comfort most american people and the smantesque are very troubling. >> that president obama. more americans die in bathtub injuries than have been killed by terror. and that tone, i can't tell you. how many americans are worried about falling in a bathtub tomorrow. not many. i wonder every time i go evidence to george washington bridge, is this thing going to blow up? they're framing it from the top down. islam is -- >> it can't be ignored. we have to go to the nucleus. and i don't know why, i don't get it. why is the white house afraid to

use that type of more aggressive -- time on get, it is okay to be aggressive. >> he's a nobel peace prize winner. he's not going there. he doesn't believe we should be fighting the war on terror let alone weng it. >> climate change. he works on the thing he believes in that he wants to stress. this starts from the top and trickles down. i don't want to hear about containment of isis. i used those words when i used to sell tupperware. >> you sold tupperware? >> yeah. i loved the job. >> the other thing baltimore apparently, according to reports in the european press, when they got abdeslam, the guy from friday that was arrested. they didn't start with what do you know that's about to happen now. apparently they started in a chronological way which is what led you to this point where you decided to be radicalized. so they might have missed this opportunity to prevent the attacks. >> that's the problem.

missed opportunities. i would be so angry if i was a family member who was injured or maimed. they knew where these guys were. save lives. does that not inspire you to action and to courage and to bravery? especially when you have the resources? that's why it is shameful. i'm-up set at the lack of follow-through. wasn't the terrorists warning enough? so what america can learn from europe's counter terrorism failures. that's next. don't let dust and allergies get between you

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we want to talk with some of the lessons that can be learn from brussels. the government has acknowledged it missed many warning signs

leading to the strikes. the justice ministers have even offered to resign but the prime minister has asked them to stay on. major crisis on its hands. >> reporter: in belgium where the bombers struck. it is against belgian law. and police are restrained from raiding private home from 9:00 people to 5:00 a.m. no matter what you do they can't come in against you. and belgium wonders why it is a terror target? the incredible lapse on immigration and the policing have made it a prime target in the world. if the far left had its way herering with would be just like belgium. >> that's a warning sign to europe. this is more of the same can be expected unless some serious intelligence and security measures are put forward. >> four lessons.

bring back interrogation. you just mentioned it. they didn't turn the screws to him and now have no actionable intelligence. number two. surveillance and wiretapping work. i don't care who is calling bolling. i care if they're calling baghdad. i don't care about privacy if i'm dead. so the cell phone. number three. immigration policy is also national security policy. countries can choose who they want to let into the country. you don't clues, you lose. they want muslim refugees here. and then lastly, i think you want to fight the enemy there so you don't to have face them here. pin them down in their neighborhood so they can't plot and launch attacks. >> sounds like some good ideas. bolling? jesse has some privacy issues. >> brussels we know had major failures. the turkish government. we're senting at least one of

these guys back to you. and there's a problem. they've been radicalized. belgium decided not to follow them. one or two on are watch lists. so the gentlemen involved, the interior ministers, should step aside. it is like belgium became the gun-free zone. the softett possible target on the planet. like the ant-terror logic zone. there is easy place to hit. like gun-free movie theater. >> passively resistant. beef it up. beef up the terror resistance. the way they do that, fight terror. they don't fight terror there, first. stop playing around where you can be a syrian refugee. get pulled into germany and then travel freely throughout europe. really? isis already said they are going

after radicalizing syrian refugees. so they've opened themselves to a can of worm. fight them there. >> you're right. angela merkel will have some problems as well in germany. dana, you've been quite vocal about security americanures and some failures there including the departments not thinking to one ooflt federal, local. we learned the lessons after 9/11. >> in the usa, we change our posture. it was controversial but it was the right thing to do. belgium and every other civilized nation has a duty to protect. it is not just your citizens who could be attacked. it is anybody at an international airport. it is not just the referees. these guys were actually born in mozambique. so the problems of the refugees, i think that's one issue. but they have a bigger problem. interestingly, one thing that i think america does very well. if you come to america, you can

become an american. when you talk about the failure to a simulate in these countries, partly there's a reason. it takes both parties to want to do that. the refugees didn't want to do it when they settled there years ago. and the police don't know what to do next. but i wanted to mention one other thing. this is not just a belgium problem. the laws are screwed up all over urt. i is a you a story about the u.k. a guy had a problem with a muslim woman and he talked about it on twitter. and there were angry reactions on both sides. hateful rhetoric. and the guy, just because he sent the tweet, he got arrested. in the u.k. they could not final a way to arrest 1,200 child molesters but they can find a way to arrest a guy who wrote a tweet? they dome have a first amendment in the u.k. but that's the way the laws are going. strip people away from the ability to express themselves. that i think is even more

troubling. >> i have so many concerns. some can't be helped but some can. when you look at brussels, most of europe now so vulnerable. i don't know why adjustments aren't being made. i want to ask you. they had at least one of these terrorists. and let him go. they cited lack of evidence myself question is, a certain amount of evidence, you've been a prosecutor. i am a crazy for thinking that at some point those thresholds need to be reexamined? in light of the crime? why is that not being considered? >> i think it should. this is a very costly lesson that they have to learn. when you have the information rich target right there. a high value target in your hands. you're able to get the information. shame on you if you don't take opportunity to seize the moment. you're in charge, you're making

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as the battle goes on, scott walker thinks it wouldn't be a wad thing for republicans to pick their nominee at the convention and suggests the party could go with someone other than the three candidates still left. >> i think if it is an open convention, it is likely it would be someone who is not currently running. the qualifications for car dealerships. any of us who have commented on this election have said that almost every prediction is off so it is hard to predict anything. >> there are reports trump's campaign has taken steps to take a strategy in the event of a contested convention. this hasn't happened in a very long time. you have to imagine these delegates. they're under a lot of pressure. hey, i'll fly to aruba. >> that would be highly appropriate.

>> you mean politics? there's got to be a lot of pressure on these delegates. >> a lot of them are not even elected yet. those campaigns are different. they have yet to be chosen or to be elected. some states choose them. it is smart if you're going to be a presidential candidate, to not only have your strategy but to have a convention strategy for the eventuality that this could happen. i don't think anybody is saying it is a good idea that it could happen. i don't think it was fair that you said that about scott walker. he's saying it could happen and what we know is it means sometimes the person who has the most votes doesn't end up as the nominee. not always true. all of us are on unchart territory. >> how dare you accuse me of being unfair? people are worried about trump. they didn't think he had a ground game. especially going into iowa.

does he have a convention ground game? >> i'm hearing that he needs to be in the convention ground game. when you get to the convention, the rule, i said something yesterday about the rules committee. i read it in politico. and i said that there are rnc recommendives who are meeting with high level people, big name, big groups. they were talking about whether or not the rules could be changed at the convention preer to the ballot. they could take the candidates, that would have to be done at the rules committee. the point is, after the show, i'm not sure what that is all about. so i went back and read it

again. it says this was allegedly going on and we're meeting with these people. that topic did come up. my point is this. if they go to the convention and change the rules at the convention to make, i don't know. 1237 is not the number anymore. now it is 1257. or 1,300. there will be such an uproar on the right by people who are just, you know how they've been saying, 1237 is the rule. that's the rule. if they change the rule and move the goalpost, why even have primaries? just do it at the convention. >> can i say something? at the same time that political article ran, a "washington post" article ran in which it said the meeting was to force more transparency to head off anti-trump maneuvers. >> it is happening on both sides, obviously. >> that's within the same meeting. >> they were not very tra transparent. >> are you going to change the

rule at the convention? yes or no? >> you said about moving the goalposts is accurate. this is a party that has lost twice in a row for the white house. now the party is saying, trust us. we're going to pull a rabbit out of a hat. >> that's not what anybody is saying. why are you doing this? >> scott walker just. we may pick somebody who is not even running right now. didn't he just say that? >> obviously there are feelings and high emotions this issue. at that meeting they obviously discussed a number of things and probably people who are pro cruz, pro trump supporters. you have the rules. what are they therefore if you're going to change them at the last second and rules should be the guide lines so there's fair play for everybody. i get that. i think we have to think not just about the delegates but the people out there voting. casting votes and waiting in very long lines to be able to express their choice for a

candidate. we have to almost the process. and there is some ethics involve. that being the case, all three stay in the race. guess what. i don't think anybody can get to 1237. >> i feel like, even within our colleagues, it is high stakes. kimberly is right. people are waiting in line to be part of the process. you have to have three campaigns. a primary, a micro style campaign and then hopefully a general election strategy. so they have to be on their a-game. >> today features a surprise guest appearance. don't go away. [woodworker] i live in the fine details.

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the best seven minutes on television, make eight, maybe even nine today. seven brisk minutes, one balance. joining us live in a minute but first we begin with jimmy kimmel taking a jab at some of clinton's critics by mans plain talks about how to talk. >> so just talk and i'll correct you whenever i feel the need. >> no matter who you are, what you look like, or who you love -- >> you have to speak up. we can't hear you. you're like a mouse up there. >> america is the greatest country -- >> don't smile like that. it is too forced. it looks like you're faking it. >> we don't need to be made great -- >> with oh, my god. with the sour pus. >> you know, i thought -- i like

jimmy kimmel a lot. i like jay leno as you know. i thought that was good. i thought the way she hand it at the end, maybe she was a little more like that, she would be better off. her campaign has said it was sexist when the commentators were saying that her speech was too angry. so a good way to deal with that is through humor. >> let's move on. the highly anticipated batman versus superman movie. there might be a problem. some critics aren't loving it. >> if there is a 1% chance. >> the greatest gladiator in the history of the world. >> all right. i'm clearly batman rux batman or superman? >> i'm a batman guy. i like his toys, his car, the women.

i probably won't see it though. i haven't seen a movie in about four years in a theater. i'll wait for it. >> lois lane? >> oh! >> i'm a super man kind of woman. actually i like clark kent more. all my friends that have seen it early in l.a., nah, not so much. >> finally as you know -- >> geraldo rivera made his big debut on "dancing with the stars" monday. ♪ the judges were a little trust on him but he homes to wow the judges this coming monday. he's been rehearsing like crazy but took a short break to join us a few moments from los

angeles. i home you brought her with you. >> i didn't. i should have though. and i appreciate your support. and kg, she's been wonderful and megyn kelly. the. to viewers, if i survive, it is because of you. >> so geraldo, they talk about the vigorous workouts. it must be charming. it is a little motivational. >> and she's a fabulous dancer, so charismatic. so patient. i'm reminded of the old line from vaudville days, feet don't fail me now. hopefully salsa night on monday. i'll be there. >> i remember that because you've done all you've done and you're in front of the camera and you're speaking. that you have a way to deal with any sort of nerves. but i would imagine that dancing in front of million of people like that had to be really

nerve-racking. >> oh, my god. it was so daunling. no doubt about it. it is so far out of my comfort zone. something that i've never tried before and here i'm trying it at 72 years old with one foot. so they had asked me years before. they asked me several times i always. no. my kids were afraid i would have an affair with the dancer or something. then finally i said, if i don't get this choked my bucket list now, i never will. i'm glad i did it. >> a little piece of advice my mother gave me. i understand you're not fred astair but you have a killer smile. i am also rhythmically challenged. so when i was a cheerleader, she told me sell it. keep smiling. keep lafg and people will fall in love with your smile. you've got it. >> all right. i appreciate it. >> one thing, it is a salsa

dance. the music we used for my wedding march when i came into the synagogue when we got married in 2003. the last time i danced. i was tequila drunk. so hopefully it is all going to work out. >> tequila and you know, you have to make the puerto ricans proud. don't let us down. >> i'm channeling it now. >> just last longer than tucker carlson. that's all i care about. hold your reputation at fox news. >> poor geraldo. >> 90 one goal. to to have outlaw tucker carlson's one week. i'll be a success in life. >> you were a great sport for doing it. the highlight for me, i had no idea that the show come up on you and you open a vault. and finally we found something in the vault.

>> brilliant! >> we have, that's a great gag. al capone's vault, the highest rated syndicated show on television. but next monday, i'm telling you, you're going to love it. >> good luck on monday. we celebrate easter a little bit early. next. don't let dust and allergies get between you and life's beautiful moments. with flonase allergy relief, they wont. most allergy pills only control one inflammatory substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one. flonase changes everything. chuck, i know i have a 798 fico score, thanks to experian.com. kaboom... get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com. become a member of experian credit tracker and take charge of your score.

80% that americans plan to celebrate the holiday according to a recent survey. 51% said they'll go to church. i'll be in that number. more than $2 billion will be spent on candy like peeps. how does "the five" celebrate easter? we'll go around. >> cadbury eggs.

>> i would say reeses peanut butter cups. i used to love peeps but i'll always love angel black jelly beegs. >> can anybody guess how many peeps will be eaten. >>? 1.5 billion peeps. >> they're really addictive but then you feel a little sick. this is mine. i think the producers give this cute little easter bunny for me as a present. i'm not quite sure how to get this -- oh, yeah. bunny talks.

>> also, the peanut butter eggs. they should be there all year. i can't eat those. i'm actually going to church. >> i am, too. going to church and brunch. >> i love all jelly beans. but black isn't the most festive color. >> do you eat all the jelly bellies? >> the plain just regular old -- >> did you say cadbury eggs are english? >> yes. >> they're expensive. >> you can afford it. >> maybe a fox fan would like there easter bunny if you put it on the fox five easter bunny.

>> we should raffle it off now that she's taken a bite out of it. >> it might make a clone or something, right? the dna on it. >> you have twin girls. they're four and a half. >> you did the whole color experience? >> i dyed eggs. mine were brown because i don't know how to dye eggs. i did it in every color. they had a nice time and we'll hunt for it. and then i'll steal all their candy. >> so do you the egg hunt at your house. >> we'll have multiple egg hunts. >> can i just apologize? >> this is hard hitting. kimberly bites it. >> here is an algebra lesson for the kids at home. what do you to one side, you must do to the other. >> do they get an easter basket

still? >> well, you know, very environmental. recycle: these are empty. >> i think you should drop off a piece of the chocolate. cadbury. >> one of my favorite things.

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>> why is a bunny the luckiest animal in the world? >> why? >> it has four rabbit feet. >> doesn't it have hands? >> i need juan here. he would play along. >> i have one. >> i hope it is a real knee slammer. >> why was the easter bunny so upset? he was having a bad hare day. thank you. thanks for playing, everybody. >> i really feel -- i think you should bring back the jalapeño one. that was my favorite. as if i didn't eat enough in the last six minutes, guess what today is? >> we have plenty of time apparently. i might be able to eat all of this. it is international waffle day.

not to be confused with national waffle day which i will also celebrate at a later time in august. so did you know this? fun facts. international waffle day began in sweden in a place that is indicates bafflebegan. where people celebrated the beginning of spring by gorging on waffles. i never saw anyone in sweden that looked like they were gorging on waffle. if you know what i'm saying. we're spoiled in the u.s. because we get to celebrate it twice a year. i prefer my waffles like this with a little melted butter already on them. thank you. and then i really love some maple super. it is quite tasty at kimberly's food court. so take bite. >> we can only eat one bite. >> what about like chocolate? or strawberries? or that powdered sugar instead?

>> a really good question. >> sweet or sour, right? i like to have with it the super but i also really, really love to have it with sausage as you know. however, could not do that today. it's good friday. so if i was not doing that, i would do strawberries or blueberries. but on top or on the side. never made into the batter. does that make sense? >> how about two waffles with ice kriel in the middle? >> i would maybe do that. >> i like a waffle cone. >> i also like to have the eggs with the waffle. >> you're next. >> nothing better than skiing and getting off the slopes or even doing skiing. >> and i like hot chocolate. >> so this part of my first thing of my one more thing is apologizing for shannon who is hosting "special report." not bret baier. tonight i'm hosting an o'reilly

special on terror. we'll have the full hour on terror. we have ronald kessler who has some inside ideas information. he spoke to the fbi and they are concerned with the muslim community. he will explain why. we have two guys at the forefront of the san bernardino terror attack talking about how much risk we have here in america. and we have ben carson. and my one more thing is the his, to first ever gig in cuba. check it out, guys. rolling stones will play in the main square there for a 47 concert. first time this has happened. a big name rock 'n' roll band since 1959. no one knows how it will go but i have a hunch it will go great. >> rock 'n' roll diplomacy. a good idea for the state department. >> so it is the tenth anniversary of the duke lacrosse case. i saw the 30 for 30. it is called fantastic lives.

it is terrific. >> all the people at the party were duke lacrosse players. >> the state of mysogyny of some members. >> i said to him. when you need me, i'll be down there. >> so an incredible special. everybody needs to watch it. this guy, the prosecutor, rail rolleded these kids. the school did not stand by them. the national media convicted them of because they had well off parents, they were able to pony up for some nice defense lawyers. they beat the charges. and nifong went to prison for one day and was held in contempt of court and is a terrible guy. so everybody, don't believe the i'm. >> did the documentary say where the boys are now? >> no. they did not answer any questions but they're all doing well, i heard. >> that ebony? >> i actually practice law in durham county right around that time and. he was also disbarred too. my one more thing is i had a great night last night with some

of my neighbors. in east harlem, there is a group there, free dance classes. >> and they help you dance? >> i couldn't teach the girl anything. the war on isis. america takes out the group's number two man while agents in france and brussels round up more terror suspects. this is "special report." good evening. welcome to washington. i'm shannon breen. with hundreds of terror victims, european authorities are stepping up in brussels. doctor we have sad confirmation tonight that there are indeed merges among dead in the