11:30 eastern on saturdays right here on fnc. i'm eric boling in for bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here because we're looking out for you. breaking tonight. a series of new raids arrests, and more heartbreak in the aftermath of the brussels' attack. welcome to "the kelly file." just hours ago we got word from the state department that two more americans were among those killed in this week's attacks. this is in addition to the brother and cyster who er whosister that lived that lived in new york. and u.s. special-ops forces have conducted a raid inside syria and killed isis' second in command. a u.s. official tells fox news the brussels attack prompted this raid.

meanwhile, in europe belgian authorities have conducted raids across brussels today detaining three people. one of them seen here on amateur video, on the ground near the attacks. he reportedly had been shot in the leg. a bomb disposal robot moves in to retrieve his bag before officers drag him away. also tonight, there are still questions about the location of two possible suspects from tuesday's attack. the so-called man in white at the airport, and another man spotted at the metro station just before the blast. you see him on the right of your screen in a sketch. we begin with mike tobin reporting tonight from brussels at the location of one of today's raids. mike? >> reporter: hello, sandra. the mayor of this municipality says the federal prosecutors had specific information on the individual taken down here. it was immediate information and they needed to act fast. i'll show you the aftermath of what happened. you can see now the broken glass and a little bit of crime tape

that was up. this is where the individual that was shot in the leg. we know he was on the ground, there was a little girl with him. that little girl needed to be coaxed away by police with their weapons at the ready. ultimately they moved in with a bomb robot. we have information that there were explosives in that particular bag. the information for this raid, according to sources generated from the saids in the paris suburb last night. in that particular raid, an individual was taken down. he's got a history here in belgium. he was convicted last july of recruiting fighters for isis. a bomb was taken from his residence there at the ready. the components of that bomb nearly identical to the components found in what was called the bomb factory just blocks away from where i am now. all of it part of a flurry of activity. around brussels, three police raids last night. six people taken into custody. today, we know of four raids around brussels. three taken into custody for questioning. two of them shot in the leg.

the french president francois hollande says this is a terror network, but he says this particular network is nearly dismantled. sandra? >> mike, thank you. just last month director of national intelligence james clapper offered a break assessment of the global challenges we and our next president will face. take a look. >> unpredictable instabilities become the new normal and this will continue for the foreseeable future. there are now more members of violent extremist groups than at any time in history. the rate of foreign fighters traveling to syria and iraq in the past few years is without precedent. returning foreign fighters with first hand battle experience pose a dangerous operational threat. isil has demonstrated its trade craft. >> director clapper, in all these many decades you have served this country, have you ever seen more diverse or serious challenges to this country's security?

>> no, sir, i have not. i have said something like that virtually every year i've been up here. this is my fifth or sixth time. i decided to leave it out this year, because it's kind of a cliche, but it's actually true. in my 50 plus years in the intelligence business, i cannot recall a more diverse array of challenges and crises that we confront as we do today. >> general jack keen is chairman of the institute for the study of war and a fox news military analyst. general, good evening to you. >> good evening. >> those were bleak, terrifying words for us to hear tonight. your take on james clapper, the director of national security, saying really this is a moment in history and the multiple problems that he just outlined will fall in the lap of the next president. >> absolutely. i certainly underscore that. i would add to that, that we have three provisionist powers

that are seeking regional domination and are succeeding in that. we have cyber espionage that is exploding, and i agree with all of those comments about radical islam and isis in particular. this scale of global challenges, we have not seen, sandra, since the rise of the soviet union post world war ii. and what makes it so much more dangerous is that we're failing miserably at coping with all of it. frankly, our adversaries are emboldened by the lack of american leadership in the world and our friends and allies have lost trust in us. they don't believe we're reliable anymore. and it forces them to make decisions at times that have adverse consequences and increases the risk for them because the number one ally in the world is not there for them. >> and you have been on that for some time. this isn't politics, this is

leadership. we are lacking leadership. you say we are lacking strategy general. and in that statement, by james clapper he said something that he said he said last year as well, that unpredictable instability has become the new normal. does it have to be that way or could new leadership in this country change this? it's so much. >> the number one issue for me is not a policy issue. frankly it is a leadership issue. and i think it caught many of us by surprise but there's no longer any surprises. for seven years, we've experienced a president who broke from a historical and traditional past, whether they be democratic or republican presidents, since world war ii, all of those presidents saw the united states as playing a vital leadership role in the world to help provide stability and security and to the world's prosperity, because one we're the world's richest and most

important economic power. and two, the most powerful nation on the world. and also because we are the oldest and most flourishing democracy in the world and we have much to add to the values and character of the people of the world. that has not happened under this president. and if we can return to that important leadership role again, i believe we can systematically deal with these problems, but then we would to wring our allies in close. they have to know we're there. we would have to provide them with some confidence and courage to get after these challenges. and not all of these challenges need to be solved by muscular military intervention, but by thoughtful people coming together with moral courage, with character and commitment to see it through. >> are you confident that -- are you confident that we can come up with a strategy to combat this, general? >> oh, yeah. i am absolutely confident that

we can find the strategies and policies to deal with the adventuresome of those three provisionist powers with north korea trying to develop a ballistic system to reach the united states. and also, i think the generational challenge of the 21st century is radical islam. we need global alliance to be able to deal with. as much as we did with communism in the 20th century. this can be done, and the united states will have to provide the leadership role. the europeans and arabs are not going to do it. we have to lead. >> general keen honor to have you tonight. thank you sir. >> always good talking to you, sandra. u.s. secretary of state john kerry befended belgium's counterterrorism critics saying harping about belgium's shortcomings is frantic and

inappropriate, just days after the attack. dr. sebastien gorka is a distinguished chair of military theory at marine corps university. dr. gorka, we spoke the other night. secretary kerry coming to the defense of belgium's counterterrorism efforts saying this is not the time to monday morning quarterback. but was the ball dropped there? could this attack have been prevented? >> yes, it could have been prevented if we had a different form of leadership in europe and if we didn't see complete failure of the immigration and integration policies within the european union. it is no surprise to intelligence professionals that the most wanted man in europe connected to the paris attacks hiding out in plain sight in brussels in the equivalent of what is the capital of the european union. this tells you everything you need to know.

the age of multiculturalism and not having to integrate and creating enclaves within europe, that era is dead. this is what is exploited by radicals and as a result, we can expect unfortunately to see more attacks of this nature in the future. >> dr. gorka, we look at what happened in europe this week as americans as we wonder if that is a window into the future for this country. do you see it that way? >> i have always said we are about ten years behind europe. we have a real clear and present danger from jihad. we've had more than 95 people killed or arrested on u.s. soil in the last two years connected to isis. so it's here, it's in philly in san bernardino. but we don't have this kind of enclave, these kinds of hot beds of radicalization in america yet. we have some problems in certain mosques. we do have areas where there's a higher density of radicalization.

but it's not as bad as europe is right now. >> dr. gorka, you've been talking about the timing and that timing is everything for these terrorists. and they see that our president is in the last year of his term and you say that the terrorists see this as an opportunity. do you expect attacks, terrorist attacks to pick up in the next few months? >> if i were in charge then yes. if i'm inside isis, i'm going to exploit this administration that's obsessed with social justice and with climate change. when we have a commander in chief who seems to be absent without leave, hanging out with communist dictators or dancing in argentina, i would exploit that mercilessly. i would won't to radicalize people. yes, if i'm if the enemy, i will exploit the lame duck presidency of president obama.merican needs to

be awake and realize the threat is real and it is imminent. >> dr. gorka, last night, we had chairman michael mccaul on the program and he said europe is overwhelmed. is the u.s. as one would expect you would to say yes, is the u.s. safer than europe right now? >> well, we have some amazing national security professionals. i had the honor of working with elements of the fbi, special forces, and elements of intelligence community. they know the threat, they get it. but there are some issues is. when you have an administration that says you can't talk about religion, you can't even use the word jihad, it makes their job more difficult. so america is a tad safer than europe because of the scale of the immigration and the refugee crisis that's being exploited by the jihadis. but the threat is still very real. and we are the number one target. remember, america is the number

one infidel target for the jihadis. >> dr. gorka, thank you. >> thank you. this week terror attacks in belgium are bringing national security back to the forefront of the u.s. presidential race. up next a look at the candidates on both sides of the aisle and their plans to take down isis. >> this is a time that really underscores we need a commander in chief who will identify the enemy by name and do everything necessary to defeat radical islamic terrorism and to destroy isis.

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issue of terror has been brought back to the forefront of the presidential race with some of the candidates calling for diplomacy and solidarity with our european allies while others suggest a stronger showing of american military might in the fight against isis. trace has a look at that. >> reporter: the democratic presidential candidates believe the republican front-runners are reckless and loose cannons. the republicans in turn say the democrats are soft on terror and wrong about isis at every turn. in the wake of the brussels' bombings donald trump renewed his call for a ban on muslim travel to the u.s. and would torture suspected terrorists. >> we can't water board anymore. nothing is nice about it but it's a minimal form. you know what? we have to go much tougher, because it's eating up the world now.

>> reporter: cruz has said he generally disagrees with using enhanced interrogation and does not support a call for a ban on muslim travel but is in favor of using law enforcement to secure muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized saying the days oh of the united states voluntarily surrendering to the enemy to show how progressive and enlightened we can be is at an end. our country is at stake. john kasich says, we're not at islam we're at war with radical islam and this is a time to stay cool and remain strong. hillary clinton calls ted cruz's plan dangerous, and unlike cruz, she would not carpet bomb isis strong holds. he also went after donald trump. watch. >> slogans aren't a strategy, loose cannons tend to misfire. what america needs is strong, smart, steady leadership to wage and win this struggle.

>> reporter: as for bernie sanders, he wants a stronger coalition with muslim nations and says we cannot allow the trumps of the world to attack the muslim people of the world. sandra? >> trace, thank you. joining me now with more, amy and chris. chris, i'll start with you first. you say there's a major difference in foreign policy strategies, even just between donald trump and ted cruz, let alone between hillary clinton. what's your take? >> well, if addition to the differences that trace just pointed out, you have the difference in the approach to syrian refugees. even as we are speaking there are 10,000 approximately syrian refugees being resettled into the united states. it's a virtual certainty there will be isis operatives among them. in contrast the obama administration and hillary clinton want to continue with

the syrian refugee program. another difference is striking oil fields. trump has said and cruz agrees that we should be bombing oil fields, whereas the democrats are saying oh no that would cause too much environmental damage. then on top of that, you have the general difference in attitude. you see on the republican side a very aggressive forward leaning approach saying we are going to take these guys out. on the democratic side, hillary is talking about we can't make anybody feel bad. we can't have other nations feeling nervous about the united states. >> maybe that will work for her. she and her initial reaction to the terrorist attacks this week you just heard that sound bite from her. she's painting ted cruz and donald trump as these loose cannons, and saying in the wake of an attack you need a calm experienced voice. will that work for her if >> hillary clinton is going to rub on her experience as

secretary of state and say that her rivals don't have the same vision and fundamental understanding of the problem to go after it. you heard her criticizing the plans of her rivals saying we can't isolate muslims and retreat from nato. at the same time, this is going to be about the past and the future. if donald trump is the nominee and runs on blaming hillary clinton for the rise and strengthening of isis under the obama administration, some voters will agree with him. that is the path. she's going to run on the future saying this is the approach we have to take. bernie sanders is much more of a dove in the left field of the democratic party and is going to go much more center right and much more of a hawk in the general. and she's going to make the case that she has detailed plans that are realistic and fulfillible. that's going to be the argument. is she the blame for isis or is

she the one that can dig us out of this? >> chris, donald trump has been criticized for not having specifics. but you say it's the unpredictability about donald trump that people like so much, and that we need when it comes to the next president. >> yeah interestingly, some of his attributes on the campaign trail are some of the things he's advertising that would make america stronger dealing with isis. right now we have a president who is incredibly predictable. we know when someone is struck around the world the united states will do virtually nothing. so you bring in a donald trump, all of a sudden the game changes. so his unpredictability is one thing. his aggressiveness, when hit, he hits back harder. so that very general character of his demeanor plays into what i think a lot of americans probably want to see in the way we deal with the isis threat in the world today. >> and we don't have much time left, but one of your most

recent pieces you're basically saying that donald trump can beat hillary clinton, despite polling that shows he does not beat hillary clinton when put up against each other in a general election. quickly, your main reasoning behind that? >> she has far more an electable profile if you look at all the groups. he has a very difficult and risky path, but it's getting to 51% with white voters who probably aren't yet registered. only 58% of the country voted in 2012. romney lost to president obama by fewer than 334,000 votes in four states. the person with the most numbers wins and the key to that is new voters. he would have to push himself over the top with a set of voters that haven't voted yet. >> chris, amy thank you. foreign policy back at the top of everybody's list. thank you. there's a growing debate

over whether any of these approaches will be sufficient to stop isis. our next guest went to a hardline jihadist who celebrated the attacks of september 11. he warns the threat from terror we face today looks a lot different and more dangerous than it did 15 years ago. then we'll ask muhammad chadry what the american muslim community needs to do to help u.s. authorities prevent radicalization right here at home. >> isis has gained affiliates faster than al qaeda ever did. from nothing a year ago, there are now militant groups in nearly 20 countries that have sworn allegiance to isis.

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isis is gaining affiliates among extremist groups around the world. they are signing up these groups are signing up for what isis desires as its objective. a global caliphate where day-to-day life is governed by extreme religious views. isis has gained affiliates faster than al qaeda ever did. >> that was michael morrell in january, warning that the terror army known as isis is a totally

different beast than al qaeda. the group synonymous with terror for years. and for our next guest who went from an evidence teenager in canada to a hardline jihadist who initially celebrated the attacks of september 11. the threats we face today are much bigger than anything we've dealt with before. he's a former jihadist turned undercover counterterrorism operative for canadian intel services. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you very much for having me. >> so you say -- first of all, how initially were you radicalized? >> well, i mean, born and raised in toronto, canada, i grew up with an identity crisis that emerged of course as soon as i became a teenager. i went to kind of find myself and ended up in pakistan. had a chance encounter with the taliban. that's what sent me on my path of extremism. >> how did you come about the realization this was not the

life for you and you made your big change? >> 9/11 was the real trigger. so basically from '95 to 2001 i was recruiting, i was in that network. 2001, of course the attacks happened on the tuesday. i remember that day. i thought to myself you know there's some fundamentally wrong flying planes into buildings. so i decided then i needed to study my religion properly. i went to syria for two years and i spent time with a religious scholar who went through the verses of the koran, in their context not the cherry picking and realized terrorism is against the religion. >> fast forward to today and you say we're dealing with a totally different beast and you say the radicalization is happening faster and faster and happening to younger and younger people. why has this change come about? >> i want to just add to my

chronology, my undercover work from 2002 to 2004 where i was online, i was on the ground, one of those cases became a public prosecution and ended up in court. but from '95 when i started the internet had just begun. you had chat forums, and then suddenly these cds started to come out in the mid 2000 when the iraq war happened, the beheadings started. then twitter, facebook, the social networking came. so the social networking, the pervasiveness of social networking among youth, you don't need face-to-face recruitment. it's happening very fast because the information available to you is very quick. and with a lot of volume. so you can download many, many files in minutes. >> social media has changed everything, right?

that didn't even exist when you were on the other side. but knowing what you know and knowing what you know now, how do we fight this? >> look, you're going to hear a lot of tough talk from people. but i'm telling you as an ex-undercover who actually stopped plots, two things. human intelligence and signals intelligence, meaning tapping phones, people. people who can infiltrate. and number two, ngo-based enter vepgs -- enter vepgss and counseling programs. you are not going to get muslims to work for a government they think is keeping their people down. so these are the two angles. human intelligence and ngo-based counseling and intervention. >> thank you for your perspective tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> joining me now, the communications director for the

muslim community. welcome to you both tonight. you say there's only one way to fight extremism. >> there is. and unfortunately, as much as some of the techniques are talked about might be correct, he's missing the cancer. he's talking about symptoms. the core disease, the cancer is political islam, the identity of the islamic state. that's why isis is so different than al qaeda. they've established the islamic state. until we counter and reform the yds that are the pathway to radicalization. right now the entire whack-a-mole -- until they change that until we start monitoring ideologies of jihadism the continuation, prior to when they become

militants, when they start to be separatists of the saudi wahabi ideology, those need to be monitored. and we need to acknowledge that we need to reform within the house of islam. >> muhammad, you say that muslim leaders in america should be doing more. >> absolutely. and as a member of the muslim community, the largest organized muslim community in the usa, we need proven models by political candidates who want free publicity. three things we need. one is leadership matters here. leadership matters such as a leadership the kalif of islam. there's 16,000 mosques around the world. everyone wants to come into these public places. they're open to you. secondly, we need to counter this ideology with the true ideology and revive true islam. we invite muslims and nonmuslims

to trueislam.com. law enforcement has signed up from chiefs of police in new jersey to the chief of police in san bernardino, as well as bipartisan congressional support. inconsistent muslim leadership that's where we sent out a lead tore 2200 mosques around the country to show them here, join us. and we invite all muslim leaders to join us. >> zudi, i want to get you in here. we're not seeing evidence that that works, and there is problems with law enforcement working with these muzslim communities. >> it's interesting the vagaries of what he's talking about. americans are intelligent. they want to hear specifics. we need to condemn the concept of the caliphate, condemn violent jihad. to call for the equality of men and women.

to call for the condemnation of wahabi islam and the blasphemy laws. what is true islam what is that debate? we put out a reform movement decklaration that has two pages to sign. we need to talk about what we need to reform. there's too much vagary for americans to understand the problem. >> muhammad, what are we seeing as far as the youth here in the united states and radicalization? what is the trend? >> so what we're seeing is, people need to understand true islam. just like you can't become a doctor on google. you need to understand leadership matters. >> i'm a muslim. >> having leadership matters and not just a short list. your list is incomplete. if you go to trueislam.com

there are -- >> will you condemn violent jihad -- >> all 11 points, this is a proven model for 127 years. it's worked. it is proven around the world. this has worked for 127 years in a worldwide community. >> you can't defeat isis without condemning all islamic states and caliphates. until americans hear that we are apologists for the problem. >> absolutely. isis has killed more muslims than jews christians, anyone else. isis is attacking humanity. [ overlapping speakers ] >> we're going to have to leave it there. important discussion and an emotional one. thank you to both of you. when we come back, the search continues for a kentucky couple missing in belgium. meanwhile, harrowing details continue to emerge from

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the first blast went off over to my right, 10 15 meters. i was in the back of the delta check-in line. the blast was really loud. it even lifted any body a little bit, and i remember feeling a lot of really hot and really cold feelings on the whole right side of my body. i was covered in a fair amount

of blood not necessarily mine. >> that was mason wells, a 19-year-old mormon missionary from utah among at least 12 americans injured in tuesday's terror attacks in brussels. as we first reported, two american siblings of new york city were killed. a kentucky couple, stephanie and justin schultz, remain missing. the state department's travel alert remains in effect for all of europe until further notice. bo deedle is a former nypd detective and joins us live. this is just so difficult for all of us to hear. do you advise visiting there? >> one of my kids wanted to go over there for spring break. i said no. this is a very bad time. you have 1 million refugees from syria in europe. and on top of it, of those, there's hundreds of alleged isis

sympathizers. so they're infiltrated all over. we saw what they did at the airport there. i'm frightened to travel to europe right now and i'm frightened for my family to travel there. the state department had an alert a year ago. now it's on the highest alert for obvious reasons. >> they say if you go and you have plans to go, to exercise vigilance. we wonder what that means. >> that mean it is you don't have to take a subway, go take a taxi cab. number two, what i notice all the time, everybody is buried into their stupid i-phones, no one is paying attention to their surroundings. you have to look around and see. if something doesn't look right, people don't look right go the other way. that's what i tell everybody. it's all about awareness and people are not aware. i'm sure this was a lot of people on their iphones. and my heart goes out to them,

but i'm sure a lot of them were embedded into their iphones when these guys pulled up. >> you're really big into the surveillance of these muslim communities. >> i get really upset, because i talked to ray kelly on wednesday morning. i said you've got to give me some ammunition. how many cases -- there was two actual cases with the surveillance undercovers in muslim communities that they were able to stop attacks in new york. my problem here is i want to get more muslim police, more muslim fbi people and get the people of the muslim community, because they're american muslims. >> how is that idea received? >> a lot of people don't realize, these are good people. the majority of muslims are good people. we need them to express to the police if they can speak arabic, let them know what is going on. we need them. but to jump out the way big bird

de blasio did, to say oh we can't surveil. baloney. if i'm in the mob, i'm going to go into an italian neighborhood and have an undercover this there going after the mob. stop the damn political correctness, because people are going to die. we have to have intelligence. we have to stop the bombings. i love to see these cops outside with machine guns and all that. the only problem, when that explosion happens in the train or penn station, i want to stop it before it happens. i was there 9/11 after those towers came down, so i don't forget what i saw. >> people are terrified right now. but we want to go about our business. >> here's a positive message. we're going into easter weekend. god bless everybody and maybe, if we all communication we can avert anything from happening in america. because i feel like it's coming. >> good to have you both. thank you.

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the constant war of words surrounding the 2016 race may be taking a toll on voters. according to a new gallup poll just 30% of americans say the presidential election process is working as it should. but when just looking at republicans alone, confidence among the gop faithful is down 16% since january. joining me now with his take on this, former republican candidate governor mike huckabee. good evening to you. >> thank you, sandra. great to be with you. >> good to see you. i wish we were talking about something more positive but it looks like there's not a lot of faith from voters out there about the election process right now. when's causing that? >> the reason is because people are watching the party bosses try to take this election and turn it into a selection. and that has people who are out

here working hard for their candidates just livid. i mean, everybody believes that the whole point of an election you get the candidates, they make their case, they get voted for or against and the winner wins. and now we have people saying, no, we don't like the guy that might win so we're going to do everything possible to derail him including changing the rules. we just saw what happened in louisiana where donald trump won the state but the manipulation of the party rules means that ted cruz will end up with more delegates. same thing happened to me in 2008 and to rick santorum in 2012 and now donald trump in 2016 and it is that kind of thing combined with the secret meetings that are happening in washington to determine how they get the process taken. people are sick of that and they should be. >> what's your best guess finishing another week here and watching the 2016 race where things are going for the republican party. >> i mean, donald trump is a

position where if he continues to win and win big, he'll have the delegates necessary before the convention and it would be almost impossible to take it away from him. if he doesn't, i think there's an incredibly messed up convention where you'll have people saying, look the people who got the most votes ought to be the ones considered. i heard people say it might be somebody that didn't run. i find that problematic. i hope we don't go there and destroy and completely blow up the republican party. >> wow. all right. well from faith in the republican party to faith in our ourselves and our country and world, we're ending a tough week witnessing the terrorist attacks in brussels. it's been a tough scene to watch play out. and there was this piece written today in "christian today" after the brussels attacks we need more religion, not less.

heading into the easter weekend, send us off on a positive note, will you? >> well, i think it's a great time to be reminded this is the week we celebrate easter if we're christian, passover if one is jewish and both are reminders of the hope and the faith of people who believe that it is the enemy that comes to steal to kill and destroy. for the christian, we are reminded that jesus said i have come to give you life and more abundantly and thinking that there's no hope and the terrorists are winning get up in the morning, watch the sun rise. tomorrow afternoon watch the sunset and remember that the terrorists can't stop that. and one thing we have to remember is that real faith is not so much about what we don't do, it's about what we positively do. it's about loving our neighbor, it's about making sacrifices to help other people rather than to sacrifice other people. >> governor, thank you. >> for our own goals. ♪

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stay tuned because coming up a new episode of "war stories" colonel north and former navy s.e.a.l. take a deep dive into the world of islamic extremism. that's it for "the kelly file." i'm sandra smith. tonight, on "war stories" -- isis ruthless and expanding the so-called islamic state. >> isis is hot wiring apocalypse apocalypse. >> fierce fighters standing against isis. >> parent her ga are a fighting force. our efforts anemic so far. >> attacks in europe and in america. >> the threat is growing in terms of scale and scope. >> can isis be stopped? >> it can be and will be defeated. >> that's next on "war stories." this is a fox news alert. i'm patricia stark in new york. lingering tensions as security forces around the w