the kids are working on the bunny frame. put your easter picture right in there. >> that's beautiful. >> we're going to have to wrap it up. stick around for the after the show show, we're going to eat peeps and finish these. the manhunt intensifies for more terror suspects in europe. one european nation is that you thought its syrian refugee program to play it safe, something gop presidential candidates say we should do in america. democratic candidates say that's un-americ un-american. who has it right to keep us safe? hi, everybody. this is "bulls and bears." the bulls and bears this week, gary smith, john layfield, suzy welch and mark hannah. welcome to all of you. john, put our refugee program on pause, you say. >> the refugee program, yes, from places that we cannot

verify those refugees. up until the syrian crisis, we were the largest relocator of refugees in the united nations. out of those refugees, get this, 87% had a bachelor degree or higher. however, that changes when you start talking about controlled by isis. the united nations say there are 14 million refugees. we're talking about taking in about 10,000, which is not much help at all. but you can't verify these refugees as you could before this crisis. you can't go to the local courthouse, it's been blown off the map by the war. you can't do biometric data. there is no actual way to verify these refugees. it would be better to take that money and spend it in refugee camps to improve their living conditions in refugee camps that are already in lebanon and iraq. >> suzy, one-third of the

refugees that have come in since 9/11 have come in this year. so there has been a great escalation. >> there is a humanitarian crisis in syria. you can't deny that. there is a reason why the pope washed the feet of syrian refugees on good friday. let's do some math. the president says that 99.9% of syrian refugees, all muslims, are recall good people, law-abiding, hate terrorism as much as we do. say we take in 10,000 refugees. that would mean there would be ten that would not be good, law-abiding, peace moving muslims. all it took was seven terrorists to pull off the carnage in brussels. it doesn't take many. not many all syrian refugees should be stopped, but many fewer, because it's a numbers

game. we should focus on women and children with a massive increase in screening with the men between 17 and 30 years old. it doesn't take money and it's a numbers game. >> it doesn't take many. two of the paris terrorists were refugees or came in through refugee programs. husband and wife were arrested in germany, planning an isis-like attack. in berlin, coming in as refugees. that's why people are concerned about those coming here. >> as well they should be. i agree with suzy and john. i would take the tack of israel. israel says, look, syria is our enemy, they hate us, they want to destroy us, therefore we're closing the borders. i don't think we have to close the borders permanently. i don't think anyone on this panel is advocating that. my premise is we are on the cusp of world war iii. we know terrorists are coming in through syria. as suzy pointed out, they've already come in through syria.

we obviously don't have a foolproof system, maybe we never will. we certainly can do better than we can today. for that reason, let's pause, let's close the border to those countries that hate us, that want to destroy us, regroup, rethink, and then go on from there. >> pause or no, mark? >> no pause. syrian refugees don't hate us. syrian refugees come here, if they come at all, because they want a better future for themselves or their families. we've taken fewer than 3,000 refugees from syria. we have more than 350 million people in this country. a country like germany, that has a tiny fraction of our population, has taken in 800,000. fewer than 3,000 for us, more than 800,000 for germany. it doesn't look like germany is as terrified as some of these panelists are. let's be clear, our security force, our fbi, our state department, are better trained, are more skilled than they are in brussels, than they are in

belgium. it just was reported today there were some serious intelligence failures, serious lapses. we won't see that in the united states because we have some of the best professionals working for us. in the past 15 years we've taken in three-quarters of a million refugees. more terrorist attacks occur on american soil from american citizen, home-grown terrorists. >> the germans were surely upset about the refugees and the migrants committing all those sexual assaults over the holidays. that's certainly one problem. that's not even including terrorism. >> look, we're going to do a better job of security than the european countries. does that mean we can have unlimited refugees? no. let's be honest, 100 years ago we didn't have the social security net system that we have

now. we talk about the safety of people, not citizenship, so they can go somewhere where they're not slaughtered by isis. this country has a very bad history, and so did europe and the uk, of not taking refugees from nazi germany because they thought it was a security threat, they could be spies for the nazi regime, we didn't have ways to check these people. we sent boats back with people who were then killed. there are ways today to prevent a few bad apples from letting everybody else get slaughtered. they're not citizens, you can track them, you can put stuff on their phones. they don't have the rights of u.s. citizens. therefore we can have them here in a secure way that's safe to them and us. >> the liberals and the left would have a heyday with that, they would never allow that, they would say that's a violation of their rights, not happening. >> that's right. and let's put this in perspective. this is giving a person with

double pneumonia a cough drop and saying, you're fine. you talk about germany not being scared. that's preposterous. europe is on shutdown right now. we're talking about taking in 10,000 refugees. there's 7 or 8 million now dislocated, 11 to 12 million people. we're talking about taking in 10,000. the three-quarters million that we took in before, those could be varieerified and vetted. these cannot. our security department is awesome. there is no biometric data and no place to verify these guys. they're showing up in a war zone without i.d.'s. >> i feel like we've forgotten san bernardino. these are people who came through the front door with these great security checks we're talking about. thee individuals came in and were vetted and walked in the front door, then killed these innocent people here. it's going to happen again as we keep on adding to the numbers. i agree there's a humanitarian

crisis. and what's happening to most syrian people is terrible and bad. but we have to have a common sense solution. and we do not have all the safeguards in place that we need to make sure another san bernardino or boston marathon bombing occurs. we have to be abundantly cautious. >> there is a report from our government saying that the islamic state has passport making machines and access to personal data so they can create fake passports that you can't even detect. >> exactly. i don't understand mark's point of saying -- it's kind of like this arena of saying, we have the greatest security in the world. this is a security system where in one recent test of the tsa, they missed like 45 out of 48 fake bombs that went through their doors. i mean, our security is actually porous. it might be better than europe, but it's terrible at this point. again, i'm not saying to close the borders permanently.

why can't we just reevaluate, you know, stuff like the fake passports, that's going to be popping up more and more. we make every passenger go through -- yes, 99.9% of the passengers getting on a plane aren't going to bomb it. still, we take measures. >> john, the final word. >> it's the same thing we would have said in the 1940s about refugees from nazi germany. it's safer not to let them in. that's technically true but not a reason to not let them in. charles, what have you got coming up? >> isis unleashing hundreds of jihadists across europe. now growing calls for us to unleash more cash to wipe them out once and for all. hillary clinton's ties to wall street are a front and

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hello, everybody. this is a fox news alert. i'm uma pemmaraju. authorities in brussels are now issuing an arrest warrant for her a new suspect in those attacks. belgian prosecutors identify him as faycal cheffou. there is no confirmation yet he was the third bomber at the airport. but belgian media reporting now he was identified as the man suspected of running from the brussels airport after two of his accomplices blew themselves up here. dramatic new video of one of the takedowns in brussels during

the raids there yesterday, police shooting a man in a train station as he was carrying a bomb in a backpack. he grabbed a little girl hostage. they convinced him to let her go. a robot grabbed the backpack. now back to "bulls and bears." see you later. airports packed in america this holiday weekend despite the horrific attacks in brussels. officials from around the globe are calling for a special meeting to beef up airport security everywhere. one plan is to put scanners outside airport entrances. some say we can't afford it, suzy says we can't afford not to. >> we're playing whack amole with the terrorists. the shoe bomber was captured,

next thing you know we're all taking our shoes off. now we're going to need to put up security before you enter the airport. it's going to go on to other soft targets. wherever we put security, they something somewhere else. movie theaters, grand central stati station. there was a bombing south of baghdad on friday, 30 people killed at a village soccer match. when that happens in the united states, you'll never enter a football game again without going through security. i wish i could say something more profound than i just hate it, but this is the new normal. it's the way we'll h live. we'll reminisce, saying to our grandchildren, i remember when you could go to an airport two hours before a flight instead of four hours before a flight. it's unfortunate, it's going to cost a lot. >> gary, other nations do it, you have airports with multi-layers of secures in places like africa, the middle

east, southeast asia. given what happened this past week, why not? >> you have to, russia does it, israel does it. let's face facts. it's not as easy to get around and do things as it was 20 years ago. when you and i were growing up. it's a different world, as suzy points out. all you need is one bomb going off in the dulles terminal. and people are going to say, why are we spending that money? my premise in the first segment was the same as it is now. we're fighting world war iii right now. we spent $4 trillion in today's dollars to fight world war ii. that wasn't even on our shores. we spent 35% of the gdp. surely we can dole out some money for security cameras and scanners and whatever at airports, as suzy points out, at sporting venues, subways and things like that. we have to. >> mark, we'll suck it up, we're strong, and we'll move on and live our lives, right? >> i don't think it's world war iii. but yeah, we can get to the

airport a little early. four hours seems extreme, i could probably run to my destination faster than that. but yeah, we should absolutely beef up security. unfortunately a lot of republicans in congress won't want to appropriate money to actually do that. these are the same people that didn't fund diplomatic facilities overseas, then complained about benghazi, not to change the subject. no, if we could get congress to a little bit the money to beef up security, we should by all means keep americans safe by whatever cost. if that means going through magnetometers outside the airport, if we have to stand in the rain to do so, let's keep people spent. >> john, money well spent? >> i don't know who these hypothetical republicans are who don't want to increase security in america. >> they're not hypothetical. they've voted down these bills. >> i think many of those tend to go through, i don't know what you're talking about.

look, i think it's a false sense of security. it is wasteful. the bomb is going to off where there isn't security. you just feel like you're solving the problem. i don't think the shoe thing was a good use of money. i don't think locked doors on the plane solves any problems, that caused the plane to crash with the suicide guy, he was able to lock the door. could we use all cameras all over, which are cheaper than bomb scanners? yeah, i don't think we track people enough like they do in london, in america. that's affordable and could possibly become part of the information we need to start tracking people. >> here is the idiocy of that statement, john, that we have a good photograph of those terrorists in brussels right before they detonated those bombs and killed all those people. cameras are not the solution. more security and more checks before you even drive up to the airport, is that it? >> yeah, exactly. it's extending the security

perimeter. mark, with all respect, you can have your own opinion, but you shouldn't make up your own facts. the facts are that the president, president obama, a couple of years ago, when his $2 $2.50 per passenger, he wanted to triple it, i'm all for it except he wanted to use most of that to go into the general budget. that's where the money is going. it costs $8 billion a year to fund tsa. we could fund it through a user fee and consumption fee of those who fly. you make the world safer, the united states safer, and you can pay for it without the government dollars. >> thank you, john. thanks, guys. > "cashing in" is coming up in an hour. what's coming up? >> is this the right plan to keep america safe? plus college kids cry foul over pro-trump messages written in chalk on campuses. why this could be a huge double standard. "cashing in," see you at 11:30.

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hillary clinton and bernie sanders squaring off for more delegates in three states today, including washington, home of the $15 minimum wage battle. they support raising it. >> together we're going to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. >> i also want to raise the

minimum wage and i support the effort here in washington state to do that. there is no evidence that the minimum wage being increased costs jobs. >> gary says the facts say otherwise. >> hillary and bernie's economics professors in college must be rolling over right now. there's been thousands of studies showing that raising the minimum wage affects jobs. even if you don't believe that, look in every other area. when gas prices go up, demand for gas goes down. when rent controlled apartments are held level, demand for those apartments goes up. there's always a yin and yang to supply and demand. even if there wasn't, where does that less profit go? he has less profit to create more jobs and open up new franchisees or restaurants down the line. a silly, stupid argument. >> john? >> look, american samoa, 2007,

they raised the minimum wage. 2007, 2012, president obama delayed it because it was costing jobs. if you get it wrong, it's going to have the opposite effect. i'm for fixing it long term. but raising it to an arbitrarily high wage is not the way to do it. >> jonas, job killer? >> it's unconclusive. you wouldn't know what it's going to do. it's going to hurt the lowest skill workers. it's a desirable result without what you really need which is raising the skill level and creating more demand for those jobs. without those things, it's a band-aid effect. >> in the 13 states that have increased the minimum wage have seen more job growth than all the other states. i don't know about american samoa, but it's working in states that are raising the minimum wage across the country. >> should we, as you ssuzy? >> we all want people to make

more money but what's a stupid idea is doing it at the federal level, which is what hillary clinton is talking about, in washington, raising it there. it's local issue, supply and demand. cities do it, they have more or less workers, more or less work. jobs are not about the minimum wage. jobs are a federal and economic policy around regulation, broken record around regulation, and that's where jobs are created. >> thank you, suzy. thanks to suzy and mark for joining us. coming up next, why one of our guys says being fearless during times like this will pay off in more ways than one. understands the life behind it. ♪ those who have served our nation have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.

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this is the second time it's happened in the carolinas, the second time it's been a lousy movie. that's why the prison business in america is really good, up 15% for the year. >> happy easter to everybody. "the cost of freedom" continues right now. anti-terror raids intensifying right now amid reports isis has unleashed 400 fighters across europe. america's mayor says it's time for action. >> we have a solemn treaty with the country of belgium. an attack on belgium is an attack on the united states of america. it may be -- >> you're the lawyer, i'm not. >> an attack on france, an attack on belgium, is an attack on the united states of america. >> rudy guiliani says we're at war and it's time to starting at like it.