donald trump at 30. we heard him speaking earlier saying he hopes the magic words bring in independents and democrats. later on join me. 6:00 p.m. eastern on the fox business network on making money. hello, everyone. i'm dana perino. it is 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." they stood in front of the cameras and told the american people they would support the nominee no matter who it was going to be. >> i'll be totally pledging my allegiance to the republican party. >> i'm a republican. whoever the nominee is, i'll get behind them. main and simple. >> i said at the outset i will support the nominee whoever it is. >> yes. >> i will support whoever is the republican nominee for president. >> i promise i would support the

republican nominee. and i am someone who keeps his word. >> but now after wars over wives, so-called lies and just about everything else, this campaign season, all three republicans left in the race are somewhat backing away from that promise. >> no. >> we'll see who it is. >> the pledge you took is number and void. >> whoever the republican nominee is, you say you will no longer guarantee -- >> i have been treated very unfairly. >> i'm not in the hasn't of supporting someone who attacks my wife and my family. i think that is going beyond the line. i think our wives, i think our kids should be off limits. they don't belong in the attacks. >> if the nominee is someone that i think is really hurting the country and dividing the country, i can't stand behind them. >> what a difference a few months makes. jed die a, no doubt this has

been a turbulent time. all three candidates believe or say that they will be the nominee. they plan to be the nominee. so the question is a little dill to answer. >> i would have never made this pledge. you never know what will come up with a candidate. look at what donald trump is. maybe you supported him in the beginning. maybe people are saying i don't agree with him now. you never know. so i say the answer is i have allegiance to my principles. i don't have allegiance to a party or person or be responsible for what they may or may not say. the problem is they look like liars now. well, you said you would support the person no matter who it was and now there's a but clause at the ends of it. so politicians, these are smart people. they should think ahead of time and say, you know what? let me think how i'll answer

this question. it is one thing to raise your hand live on television to say you support the nominee. it is another when you talk with the rnc and you have to sign, i don't know if the dnc does the same of but the republican committee, all of them signed a pledge saying they would support the nominee or they're working for the party. in exchange, that's how you get access to the data and information that the rnc has. >> something similar. bernie sanders got in trouble because he had access to data. something was leaked. i might say their grievances. they could argue that things have changed. donald trump makes the case that he has been treated unfairly by the rnc. right? ted cruz says donald trump said nasty things with my wife. i'm not sure what john kasich's complaint is. >> that he's not winning.

>> in the case of trump, i could say maybe things changed, jedidiah. it is very clear now you have a fractured party. no question. >> there is a real question for republican voters now. you see it in the polls. people saying, maybe a traditional gop voter and saying i don't know if i can vote for him or you're a reenergized republican voter or a new voter to the party and saying i can't wait to vote for this guy for president. no matter other becomes the nominee, sorry, the gop nominee. they're going to need every republican vote that they can get. so trying to consolidate at this point would make sense. i don't know if they'll do it. >> so this whole pledge came about because the theory baltimore they were afraid donald trump was not going to be the nominee. but the spoiler by running a third party, diluting the republican vote and have hillary clinton walk in. so they decided it would be jeb or rubio. now everyone is saying, i'm not sure i can handle this, trump's

grievances. then when you hear all the horse trading. rules rules, 1237. but then maybe rules can be changed at the convention. you made a a mistake by saying rnc nominee. but that was actually right. it is not a gop nominee. it is an rnc nominee. there are two rnc delegates who said the misconception is that the voters had a say. no. the rnc delegates are the ones who have the say in the nominee. and that's the distaste. that's where a lot of the distaste is coming from. >> is anybody saying, if they don't get to 1237, they won't get the nominee? >> that's what these meetings were all about. if they can change. and in fact, they can change the rules at the convention. they can. >> what about if he doesn't get appropriate number? the 1237? then that's -- >> i think, the characterization. we've had that discussion three time now so we'll move on and ask greg for your opinion on the pledge.

>> what we're doing is we're pointing out this fractured strife among the republican party. us pointing that out is like charlie sheen pointing out the drug hasn't. we as a face are facing internal strife. from a micro level to a macro level. breitbart. how much that has fallen apart since the trump nomination. you can look at "the five." you can look at our network as a whole. we are having networks within the family of anchors over this stuff. so at every area where there is conservatism there is stril strife. i remember the good old days where we could unite against the hatred for obama. >> it will be back. somehow we're sitting here.

we have no way to get out of this. so when we talk about the convention and we talk about how do we improve this. we have to talk amongst ourselves as a, as conservatives, as republicans. can we express our grievances honestly about how we feel about this? so we can unite. i'm not talking like an encounter group but we have to be honest with each other. instead of saying you're stupid for supporting trump. >> you're hitting on -- i think this is the most unique time in the history of american politics. you're hitting on it exactly. we've gone from i don't like that candidate, i don't like what he represents. i'm not going to vote for him. here's why. if you like him, you're an idiot, you're a jerk, you're helping him be the nominee. everything knows about personal. it's never been this personal before. at least not in my history. >> i agree. i have friends who i won't mention, robert dobbie, who

texts me in caps every day over something i might say. >> it is not hate. i don't think it is his fault. i don't think he knew this was going to happen. i thought he was doing it as a protest vote. and i agree with you. i think everybody is mad at each other over this. and unless people can get beyond this, it will end up like breitbart. >> can you imagine what this convention will be like? >> it will be ugly. and people have to put away their emotions and they have to function on reason. >> reason and logic have not really been part of the conversation. i mean, you bring up a fact then you are also called every name in the book by their supporters. >> there's candidate worship. if i say something critical of ted.

i criticize everyone. i don't have a dog in this fight. if i criticize cruz, then everyone rushes out. if i criticize donald trump, you get the trump folks. and i'm reminded about president obama. what's the candidate worship that went along with him, no malter what he did, his backers came out to defend him. there was this notion that he was bigger. we were pointing out the ridiculousness of the columns when he campaigned. that he was larger than life. and that he works for us, not the other way around. they're just people. they're just men. they're flawed and we're here to criticize them. and i think a lot of folks have forgotten how to do that with a civility and they often criticize. >> i thought what you said was terrific. that's the most honest discussion i've heard of this anywhere. there is tension all over about this. i will say this. i think that two things. one is, it is personal.

very personal. if i start making fun of eric's wife, he would take it personal. he would say dude, back off. >> you might be sitting on 48th street. >> so i think it is very personal. >> by her. >> be so it has become intensely personal. and i think that's why you see them saying, i'm not going to back this guy. and the second thing is, when you ask voters in polls, it is not like they say, he is my second choice. he's my third choice. they say no way jose. i'll never vote for the other guy. >> he prefers jose. >> the thing with cruz about being upset about what trump did with this retweet. to me, i don't buy it. he was okay with it with other people. he said trump was terrific.

remember that tweet? women and their looks and attacking them for their looks. he did stick up for her. >> no matter what level they choose. low level rhetoric. or higher level sophisticated debate is one thing. when the fans, the supporters start slugging it out with each other. that's where we are. while they're on the playing field as well. >> it is personal. >> if you were critical of, it is like a team sport. i liken trump to the oakland raiders. i loved them in the '70s. it was not how they won but how they played. >> i hated them. >> i loved them. you had ted hendricks. these were greedy people. if you said you didn't like the

oakland raiders, the oakland raider fan would take it personally. with any fan. when you say you dole like ted cruz, the fans take it personally. the trump fans, they get pissed. you have to final a way to criticize somebody that isn't personal or isn't perceived as personal. >> we have to run. >> i will make one last point to say the republican brand, when you have trump saying some of these things and then cruz going back and jedidiah saying you're a liar, i think it hurts. >> you're crazy. >> all right. donald trump defends his campaign manager that was charge with battery yesterday. while his opponents are calling him to fire his aide, trump says he is the actual victim. that's next.

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claim. >> in hen own words, i was jolted backwards. she was not of she's standing there. someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm. tightly. and yanked me down. she was not yanked down. she didn't have any expression. i almost fell to the ground. she didn't almost fall to the ground. by the way, she was grabbing me. am i supposed to press charges against her? anderson, my arm is just killing me. >> he says the tape of the incident proved his aide's innocence. >> and i'm very glad that we were able to produce the tape. because i don't see anything. i see virtually nothing. and we're going to destroy a man's life over this? >> if you saw on the tape something different, would you have fired corey? >> if he threw her to the ground, i would have fired him immediately. absolutely. >> trump's opponents have all weighed in. >> it shouldn't be complicated, the members of the campaign staff should not be physically assaulting the press. that should not be a complicated

decision. >> you want to give people the benefit of the doubt. when you see things that are pretty clear from what i understand, the video is clear. of course i would fire him. >> i think there's been a lot of rhetoric as well as behavior coming from donald trump's campaign that is concerning to many people including many women. >> i'm going to ask you again. given your experience in politics dealing with difficult crisis situations. like the entire financial crisis. i never had to deal with something like this. >> the police disagree with donald trump. okay? and there is going to be a court date. so there is that. the decision to further mock her and to smear her more than she already had been i think is a fool hardy one. if you are already doing badly

with women in general for the general election and increasingly worse with republican women, according to the polls. you would think that you might want to say, you could have apologized initially. but the further mocking i think is a question. we just talked about this. the "a" block was so good. let's not take it personal. this is taking it from a presidential level to taking on one young woman when they could have handled it very differently. one they decided to go after somebody, they keep going. like the disabled reporter they made fun of. oh, no, we didn't. then it was proven that he did. and if it is constantly going after people who are weaker than them and trying to destroy them, i don't like it. >> the other side of the story is, trump says, i'm being loyal to a top aide. are you going to destroy a man's life over this?

i think right before we came to air, the state of florida. they don't even have the case yet. florida may not actually go ahead and prosecute the case. the jury is out on that. if you look at the tape, we heard both sides of the story for literally weeks. this was march 8th. if you look at the tape, it looks like neither side is completely accurate. it looks like corey may have, i don't know for a fact but may have touch michelle fields. on michelle's side, she said she almost fell down. it doesn't look like that to me. the question is what is the legal and political fallout? legally everyone is their hat on corey saying he didn't touch her after the fact. i'm not sure that will play. i would be surprised if the prosecutor's office pursued it.

>> the politics are vastly bigger. i think the candidates who are not donald trump are smart to plate up big. he is doing very well with women in the gop race. he is number one of he is beating cruz and kasich. in a general election not so much. so the candidates are smart to play it up. donald trump at some point has to say, do i want to continue to defend or just let it go away and let the courts take over? >> well, hillary, she doesn't have to dither about this. she says, hey. this is a culture i think somebody else, there's a culture in the trump campaign that leads these, hillary clinton as you just saw in that bite also says, something is wrong over there. something smells. >> that's the problem. it fits in so well with people saying, people will riot if i'm not the guy or whatever his initial remark was.

>> my issue, i understand what he's saying about loyal. you're being loyal to a guy who went on twitter and tried to smear michelle fields' reputation. this is not a loyal guy that you're being loyal to. he has not presented himself well to me. i was not. there i don't know the force he put on her arm. regardless, i really have to question donald trump and why he would want to be loyal to a guy that has portrayed himself to the rest of the world like this. i think this guy corey is a huge liability for him. if he has some chops, he will say this isn't good and fire this guy. this is not help you, donald, when you are viewed as a guy who is anti-woman, you've been labeled. you have these issues with female voters. this does not help you front and central. get rid of this guy and get to the issues. >> i think a lot of trump supporters would say that they admire that he is loyal to the guy and not backing down.

so what struck me was the editor at breitbart didn't just say lewandowski lied. he said trump lied. >> if i see this tape again, i'm going to throw up. it is like the film, like oliver stone will turn this into a movie and there will be a second grabber. a good tweet from the new york time. he said it is trump's handling of this is a blue print for turning a minor issue with china into thermo nuclear war. he is supposed to be a deal maker, to smooth things out. that's what we're looking for from him right now. we want him to do this. loyalty without that context is just stubbornness. it has to be tethered to

something. it could have been a spring shower and now it is a category 5 hurricane. he is supposed to be the deal maker. >> so how does it play out? >> i don't know. >> every station will play it until its usefulness goes away. in the meantime florida decides whether or not they want to prosecute. >> i come back to something that dane dana and jedidiah talked about. it won't help with. we i think trump is out today on abortion. >> but we have to go. they're yelling. >> i can't hear them yelling. if you want me to go, i'll go. love is supposed to conquer all. can it really conquer isis? the founder of facebook thinks so. ♪

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evil. people who seek to destroy. people who are attaching bombs to women and children and seeking to blow up people for the sake of it and say if you're just kind to them it will all go away. if we had thisideology, we wouldn't be here. it is fascinating. >> what is love spelled backwards? evil. >> i think you're wrong. >> i love unicorns and rain bows. i want to drink from that cup one day. i think the horrible shooting we had in south carolina. one of the amazing things was that church, we're going after white people, no. >> that was not radical islam. you're talking about the church killing. >> everybody was disgusted by what happened.

but there were radical islamists who cheered the beheadings. >> if you go after people specifically and just say all about the violence and not about winning over hearts and minds, it is not a winning effort. >> so this is exactly, the poem started this as well. he said we need on conquer isis with love. mark zuckerberg and the pope are frankly wrong on this. this isn't an extension of president obama's let's not tick off the terrorists. by keeping gitmo open, they don't care. as evidenced by last week or the week before. isis among killing a group of people slaughtered four nuns. i think bullets will work better. killing them not w just with kindness but with guns. >> why are people so smart in

business so naive in this world? is it that you can only be an expert in one thing? >> you're talking about mark zuckerberg? he created facebook and now he's gazillionaire? >> that was not love. he was looking to get -- go ahead. >> here's the thing. i think the best way to show love would be to snuff out the evil so people in the muslim world that are not radicalized can live peaceful lives and take care of their children. they want that for their children just as much as we do. and the only way to provide that is to snuff out the evil that exists. and you're not going to love the jihadi out of his -- >> no. you're not. >> smother him with kisses and a pillow. president obama has a new response to why we should overlook the terror threat and bring in more refugees. hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon...

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president obama is renewing his push to bring thousands of refugees to america. at the prayer breakfast he urged them not to give into fear. instead he says, be open to welcoming those who are most in need of help. >> i was struck last week of pope francis washing the feet of refugees. different faiths, different countries. and what a powerful reminder of our obligations. if in fact we're not afraid. if we hope and if we believe, there is something that we have to give. >> but there are very serious risks involved in taking in more migrants. here's the president's former military intelligence chief. >> immigration is a national

issue. we know the islamic state has the intention to infiltrate the immigrants they are pouring into europe. that's the potential that some will come into this country. knowing that what we have to be really, really precise about, the individuals coming from select areas of the world. we have to be much better at how we vet them in order to bring the right kinds of people in. >> how does this make sense? given the information they have. it has been shown that we can't really figure out who these people are. the matter of checking them is ill perfect. so beginning that, how is this a good idea? >> if you're talking about syrian refugees, people coming out of syria. >> the screening process. >> it is a two-year process. it is like 100 people so far although president says he wants to bring in 10,000. i get the point.

i get it from general flynn and your point and fbi director c b comey's point. the question is, if one person gets in, are you willing to take that risk? i think what we've seen from germany. they've taken a million. and we've seen problems. you can have the argument. but ultimately we have to say, that statue of liberty means something. >> what do you think most people think? >> i think most are deathly afraid of president obama not learning a lesson from angela merkel in who did take in 1 million refugees. now saying, what did we do here? clearly they're crossing borders. they're being radicalized. do you really want radicalization happening here? juan, the numbers are not 10,000. president obama said 65,000 is what em. up to hundreds of thousands. and it is an 18-month vetting process which i have a hunch wouldn't be the case. it is smart to take a breath.

final out who we're bringing over. who was it? flynn. isis has that, we will infiltrate the refugees around the globe. >> i think president obama is missing the mood of the country. there was a poll that came out that showed 50% of all americans support a temporary ban on muslims traveling to the united states. 71% of republican voters but 34% of likely democratic voters and 50% of independents. what you don't hear president obama say is there would be a new strategy or a new policy in terms of helping to deal with the fact that we have a refugee crisis in the first place. my recommendation is that you, they don't want to be refugees themselves want to live peacefully in their home country where they were born their families. but they were forced out because of the violence. if you solve that problem, you can rebuild and they don't have

to be refugees. >> i am so tired of president obama telling us not to give into fearful it is insulting to assume that we are actually scared. we are not scared. we're actually smart. we read the papers. we watch the news. we see trains in germany to keep women away from men. talking about openness, it is a national security issue. that's it. >> coming up, tebow, j. lo. retiring retired tires. and i never get tired of it. are you entirely prepared to retire? plan your never tiring retiring retired tires retirement with e*trade. plan put under a microscope,ing retired tires retirement we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes,

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in this time nfl. >> my life -- >> you're saying there's hope. >> he did an ad that i saw for focus on the family. it was a pro-life ad and i thought it was effective. he is very effective with young people. they look up to him. he won the heisman. when was it? seven years. he is a hero. to a lot of people and his faith, his example is pretty strong. could he win? i don't know. a lot of times athletes, they think it will be easy in politics. there is a long road. >> he is young, charismatic, adorable. i don't know why he would want to do it. why he would want to get into the dirty business of politics but if he feels called to it, i think he would be successful. >> he can't spell four.

f-o-u-r. i'm assuming he is a republican and he will run as a republican and i'm always interested. athletes are almost always conservative. it is because they share a simple equation. effort plus time equals reward which is exactly the reward for a free market capitalism. how you win the game. >> can i admit something? i misread this earlier today. i spent the entire day thinking peyton manning had decided to continue running for office. in which i thought made a lot of since. he finished his career. john elway thought about it. necessary denver. >> stay right there. a lot of celebrities have joined the late night host to join care yoky. j. lo is the latest to ride shotgun. ♪

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you do tend to look like the animals. >> i'll give you an a-plus on your one more thing. that's it for us. "special report" is up next. >> the issue of abortion takes central stage on the campaign trail. and all candidates weigh in after one interview. this is "special report." good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. donald trump is once again testing the their country if. no matter what he says or does, it always works out for him. to tnl trump campaign is dealing with fallout from the republican front-runners' latest pronouncement about women and abortion. trump's opponents wasted no time in contributing to the back lash. the chief political corn carl cameron reports from appleton, wisconsin. >> ted cruz