(applause) i'm with them 100%. i'm hopeful that people listening will do the same. >> great choice. >> i'll see you tomorrow. >> on the buzz meder, the press hammering donald trump for weeks over his comments about women. now seizing on his stumbles on abortion. >> i was asked as a hypothetical, hypothetically, hypothetically the laws are set now on abortion. >> many commentators also bashing the billionaire for defending his campaign manager against a legal charge of grabbing reporter michelle fields. >> i'm not a lawyer. she said she had a bruise on her arm. i mean to me, if you're going to get squeezed, don't you think she would have screamed or

something? >> i looked that tape at least 100 times today to try and see -- i have her aernoriginal statement here she was jolted backwards and someone grabbed me tightly by the arm an yanked me down. i almost fell to the ground. now i'm showing the tape. i don't see that. >> the argument from the trump camp that is no longer the campaign manager never touched reporter mis eer michelle field. now the touching wasn't that bad. >> with two days until wisconsin's primary, are he had finally getting payback against trump? and with all the tabloid charges and countercharges, rlt media covering the campaign dissent into the gutter or helping to push it there? >> i think there's something really compelling when you have people who are seeking that much power and who can really affect your daily life when there are tabloid accusations made about them. usually, you know, when we talk about tabloids, we're talking about distraction.

>> i think it points to a culture that's pretty coarsened and pretty eroded. and this political season is reflective of that, howie. >> my conversation with the ladies of outnumbered. plus, more negative headlines for hillary clinton in the e-mail probe and bernie sanders on a winning streak. is the press again treating this as a real contest? i'm howard kurtz and this is "media buzz." the coverage of donald trump is negative aft a police file against baltry charge against the campaign manager for grabbing michelle fields. the campaign says he is completely innocent. the story is being fueled by a new security video and trump's criticism of the former reporter. >> look what she says. michelle fields, by the way, she's not a baby. in her own words, exactly, i was

jolted backwards. well, she wasn't -- i mean she is standing there. someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm. tightly, and yafrnked me down. she wasn't yanked down. she didn't even have any expression. >> it doesn't concern you that initially he said i never touched her? >> i don't think he knew her. >> the next day might be might be's chris matthews pressed trump on the pro-life stance and there is this eye popping exchange. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no? >> the answer is that -- there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the sfwlwoman. >> what? >> i don't know. >> the campaign was cleaning that up when trump said this in an interview that air on cbs. >> i was asked as a hypotheticalal, hypothetically. hypothetical hypothetically. the laws are set. >> there are a lot of laws you want to change. you talk about them from libel

and torture. >> at this moment, the laws are set. and i think we have to leave it that way. >> joining us to cover the comments is our panel. >> amy, that exchange between donald trump and chris matthews on abortion, if it were illegal, then women should be punished. basically retracted that quickly. it's been an explosion of media coverage. is that fair? >> i think it is fair. it can be very hard to get him off his talking points. i think as we're learning in the political arena, donald trump doesn't seem to have very many considered thoughts and chris matthews exposed that. >> chris matthews is a very good interviewer when talking to republicans. hillary clinton, not so much. and so now the trump campaign said that when trump -- when the candidate said that the laws

will stay the same, it means until he is president and can start a pointing pro-life judges. the whole media narrative that trump, you know, yes he misspoke. but that she is hostile to wome. is the press taking that a little too far? >> i think he's giving them a lot to work with. and it's true that he is very critical and says terrible things about everybody. so -- men and women. that is absolutely a true statement. but the retweeting of that picture of ted cruz's wife which he now said he regrets doing, that is different than what he's been doing to the men. that really was something basically sort of saying, look, this woman is not as pretty as my wife. that is something a lot of women look at and say okay that, is sexist, right? that is somebody who has an issue with women. so -- >> reminds them of ex-boyfriends and all that? >> i think it's basically makes women feel like our most important quality is how we look and you're saying -- it just not a nice thing to do. it seems sexist.

i naught in that category. comments about the abortion stuff as well, i mean, i'm pro-life. but that -- that's way too -- many bridges too far to say something like that. it is odd he would say something like that and not realize how explosive it is. >> i thought the question by chris matthews was good. he gave criticism oj both sides. they both hammered trump on this issue. the other media nar sierative h hasn't thought about the issues. >> the media loved to play gotcha with republican candidates when it comes to social issues like abortion. chris matthews just did it in 2012, george stephanopoulos did it in a debate. those are ridiculous questions. i think matthews kind of took trump down the same path, talking about punishment for abortion. trump never even crossed his mind. what it did, as you say, raises the ush u of how -- when he is going to start studying important issues to

conservatives, republican parties, for the country? he comes totally unprepared. he speaks off the cuff. he has to make coarse corrections. what does it say about a candidate or someone that wants to be president. >> let's go back to the column with maureen dowd in the "new york times." he said really likes maureen dowd. so he admitted to her, he made a mistachlt he used that word mistake in retweeting this picture of senator cruz's wife heidi and unflattering photo compared to his wife. and then defaulted to he attacks men more often than women and tougher on men than women. what did you make of that column? >> i think that donald trump has a pattern after tacking women based on their appearance. just ask rosie o'donnell. he's been attacking her for years. but getting to your point about how the media is much more personal and much more aggress whiff republicans on social issues than democrats, i found you want to talk about getting into the gutter for miss dowd asking if he dated any women that had an abortion, for

someone that is a pro-choicer, that's about a right to privacy and that woman is implicating another woman for him to expose her as possibly someone who sought an abortion. i thought that was completely obnoxious and certainly not the type of question that pro-choicers ever get. have you known someone who had this procedure and what are the effects on them? >> it is different. the person is pro-choice, it's different. the point is you have ever -- you're pro-life and if you've ever been complicit in an abortion, then that does raise some questions about your belief system. i mean if you're really pro-life. i think that whereas a person that is pro-choice, it's consistent. >> it's a question of does this -- has this policy affected an influenced someone that you know? i thought it was inappropriate. >> in his interview with chris wallace, the first question from chris is are new the process of blowing your campaign? so, look, it's been a very bad week for donald trump. mostly because of his own missteps. but is there a sense of payback in the media which have tried again and again and again to

expose donald trump, to check his missteps, his misstatements, factual matters, to no avail. but now maybe there is a sense that he's on the defensive. >> i think they would do what they're doing to him to any republican candidate. >> not to any democratic candidate? >> maybe they would. it would have to be somebody they didn't like, i guess. but the point is if somebody did, you know, look, can you get into what happened in the michelle fields situation. the bottom line is he should have apologized. whether the story is accurate or not, what he did was inappropriate. he should have just said, you know what? i'm sorry. i didn't mean to scare you. you know, it won't happen again. ask for forgiveness. that's the thing the media will be covering and will be covering fit were a democrat. >> it seems to me the videos show that what happened was certainly more than what he said he obviously did touch her and grab her and in my view, less than what michelle fields said. didn't seem to be the case.

more importantly is what donald trump said about michelle fields and that fueled the narrative that he can be difficult or hostile towards women. >> i'm a reporter who is -- has been in so many of these scrums. i spend most of my career snuck a big crowd, trying to get my microphone in there. so never, never has anyone ever laid a hand on me. i can't -- that's -- you draw the line there. he should not have touched her. doesn't matter if she fell or didn't fall or had bruises or not. the fact he grabbed her arm, that's where i stand on that part of it. but i think this is an issue not about gender but about the press. you don't touch the press. you don't handle the press. to turn this into an attack against women, does anyone think fit was a male reporter who did that that corey wouldn't have done the exact same thing? it's just how they're bullying everybody. they're bullying the press. i think that's the big issue here. the media has a right to be angry about that and to really question the trump campaign. and they should be questioning

him more about it. >> and in defense of the press's conference of this, donald trump is giving this more legs. he was the one who sat there on cnn in the town hall going on for 20 minutes trying to litigate this case into defensive court. i just have to point out, in the same week he says that women should be punished, he says that corey should be defended for putting his hands on women? i think that trump has dug his own grave. >> he didn't put his hands on anybody. >> on that point, look, the story is fading until the legal charge was brought. the prosecutor down in florida is a democrat. leaving that aside, there were 16 conservative female commentators who signed a petition urging donald trump to fire corey over this incident. they involved fox news contributors megan mccain, cnn contributors essy cup. greta van sest ran took issue

with that. >> he hasn't had a trial and they've convicted him. each of these women shot herself in the foot. it may be a hard sell for each of these women now covering this election to say she's fair. >> i don't know about that. >> they are commentators. >> yeah. they're entitled to their opinion. >> i don't think this is an issue. this is an issue which i think we're all in agreement on which is he shouldn't have grabbed her. yeah, the fact that -- and then to not apologize for it but then to engage in character assassination. now it's fair for them to say what she said was not quite accurate. but nonetheless, something bad did happen. and they should have just apologized for it. >> you're a commentator and sign a satisfy and say somebody should be fired, is that stepping out of the role of analysts who may or may not like trump? >> there is a line there, right, with commentators. do you say what is happening or what ought to be happening? are you being an analyst of

events or an advocate for position? i think that gets blurred constantly when it come to commentary. >> i swront signed on to a letter like that even if i agree with what they're saying. >> it would have been better if they had a press organization send something out about you don't stick your hands on the press like. that you don't -- you know, just the other day in frontst turkish embassy, they're saying, this is america. you don't grab the prepress. you don't kick the press. it's important. >> the reason all this really mat serz that we're two days before the wisconsin prime airy. ted cruz has a 10 point lead. if donald trump loses wisconsin, all these criticisms and media about his candidacy are going to be on steroids. and then it's another two weeks until the new york primary. let me get a break. when we come back, we'll get the trump point of view with his spokeswoman and later exploring the cap r. tabloid campaign with a panel of outnumbered.

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all the negative stories swirl around donald trump, joining us is his campaign spokeswoman. katrina, do you believe the media are now pushing a narrative, pushing a theme that donald trump is hostile to women? >> you know what? absolutely. but i think we have always known particularly as republicans going up against the assumed nominee on the democrat side, hillary clinton, this is exact lit narrative they were going to try to push regardless. they know he's on a trajectory to win the nomination despite what everyone is saying about receiving the delegates. mr. trump's support is committed at 80% now. if he just maintains his current

support moving forward, he will lock up the nomination before the convention. >> do you see this as sort of bias against republicans or do you see a particular effort by the press to sort of slow trump down or take him down after eight months of pretty contentious relationships, pretty contentious relations between donald trump and the media? >> well, there is definitely a huge media bias here. and as actually the republican establishment and the #trump votes that are helping the media in this process not understanding that the same thing is going to happen no matter who the republican nominee is. but just to give you an example, we have seen questions asked to republican candidates that are never asked to democratic candidates in the chris matthews interview. when is the last time someone sat hillary clinton down and asked her about hypothetical positions on particular states of abortion? you don't see that. but on top of that, you do see -- >> speaking of that interview, since you brought it up, trump

now says you now say that he misspoke when he answered the hypothetical question if abortion were illegal, would -- should women be punished and then, of course, the campaign clarified that. do you think the press is refusing to accept the clarification and just keeps repeating what he said? >> there is absolutely no question. i think it's a little worse than that, howie. they're not even discussing the context of this question. it was hypothetical. abortion is legal in this country. that's not the context that was being discussed in. i've seen on other networks, cnn and msnbc when they're talking about this or even in the headlines, they're saying that mr. trump said in the interview that he just wanted women to be punished for just an abortion, period. so the entire context is being left out. they're reporting on -- >> at the same time. >> donald trump said a couple time this was a convoluted exchange but that msnbc cut out part of it. and msnbc is not true that this

aired -- the exchange aired just as it happened. >> well, yes. the portion that's we're talking about being cut, can you go check the tapes whether it's msnbc or cnn for that matter is the actual reporting of that interview. not the interview itself. they are cutting out the context of the proposed hypothetical ban on abortion and that's the part that they're running. they're not running the entire context. they've cut it out to make it look like donald trump just simply wanted to punish women for an abortion and that's not the case. >> i see. so it's the later reporting on it. >> the reporting. >> briefly on the dustup between corey an michelle fields, regardless who have is right and wrong, would it have been better if trump in particular were more gracious toward reporter who felt upset over this incident? >> you know, i'm not really sure. we can say that in hindsight. but i also know that this is another anti-trump group that pushed this narrative on twitter. we have to remind people that this is not something that

happened and was immediately reported. this took days after a discussion and after a narrative was create ond twitter. so this is another orchestrate add tack. >> i have a half minute. what about the notion that at a time with donald trump had this big lead and trying to unify the party that he keeps punching or counter punching as he would say using twitter and still sort of trafficking the ins sults that one might say got him to where he is but maybe is not the right tone for somebody who is republican front-runner? >> well, mr. trump is mr. trump. he's not politically correct and it is one of the biggest drivers of the campaign. he does call it like he sees it. and, you know, i think moving forward he's going to continue to make those decisions. and at the same time, you know, he's been attacked from 16 sides of sunday and from the media, from the opposition, you name it, howie. he is fighting back against everyone.

so to sit back and assume that we, the campaign, is supposed to take incoming if all sides and not respond, that's just not going to happen. >> certainly wasn't suggesting that. good to see you this sunday. >> good to be here. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. ahead, frank lukz on "saturday night live" joining the media assault on donald trump. up next, ted cruz accuses the media of a love fest with trump.

it's a charge we heard for many of donald trump's detractors and ted cruz. the media roll over for trump and give him free air time. the texas senator raised that issue with anderson cooper and, well, got a little pushback. >> look, what i knew is that

media was engaged in a love fest, giving donald trump two billion dollar -- >> sounds like you were engaged in a love fest. >> how many hours of free media does cnn and fox and every other station and for a year he got $2 billion -- >> we ask you for interviews every day and you declined every after on my program. >> seriously, this is what we heard. we have the same people that -- i'm going to say it, bitch and whine about -- donald trump is on too much. we invite them every day. it's a standing offer every day. and nobody calls in but donald trump. >> that's the thing critics miss. i asked senator cruz's people for interview virtually every week and said i'll get on a plane to do it face-to-face. the senator has been kind enough to appear on media buzz and he may do it again. we've also tried john kasich. we had the same problem with marco rubio who appeared once on this program. trump says, yes. again and again and the candidates who do that, yes, get

more air time than the candidates who just say no. but is there a price to be paid for interviewing trump? after wisconsin radio host charlie sykes did a contentious interswrut donald, msnbc reported that he raised questions about his own network. >> charlie sykes took his opportunity. he knew it would be a one and done. he didn't have to go back to donald trump ever again. people on the beat, people that work for our network, they have to keep the relationship going for a long, long time. charlie didn't have that burden. >> in sh cases, that's true. now when i interviewed trump, we have gone at it hard, butting heads over all kinds of questions. that's not to say he doesn't get some softball interviews. ahead on "media buzz," hillary clinton hasn't held a real news conference in 120 days, just as the e-mail investigation is once again heating up. but first, what happened after outnumbered went off the air and we got to talk about the media?

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how much responsibility do the media bear for the campaign being waged in the gutter? i was in new york to do "outnumbered". i raised that issue with the hosts. >> so as the presidential campaign has kind of gone into the gutter, many would say, and with talk of the wives and photos and nude pictures and mistresses and all that, do you think the media have enabled this or enjoying it or just sort vf no choice but to cover it? >> well, first, i think you have to say this is what the people want. people are watching this in large droves. they're showing up at the rallies for the candidates. you're seeing more interest in this election. >> i'm talking about the taudry stuff? do the people want that, too? >> it hasn't turned them off. voter turnout is extremely successful. i have to tell you, i talk to friends and family and show up at restaurants, everybody is talking politics right now. there is a huge fiery

conversation in general right now. >> yeah. >> and there's -- sorry. i think there is something really compelling when you have people who are seeking that much power and who can really affect your daily life when there are tabloid accusations made about them. usually, you know, we talk about tabloids weesh tabloids, we're talking about distraction. we're distracting ourselves from our own lives and the serious issue. and it's popcorn. and now you have -- when those two things come together and the people in power are creating the tabloids railroad at least feeding them, it's -- the kipd of storm that you can't turn away from. >> when you have the front-runner sniping at each other, i would argue the media can't just get on their high horse and say we're not going to cover this because we're too serious. at the same time, it's good for clicks and ratings. some people turn around and say well if you didn't cover it, if you didn't give them oxygen, it would be a more high minded campaign. >> there have been sex scandals since, i mean, the beginning of politics in america and left we

forget the jn edwards sex scandal was much more nefarious than anything we're talking about now. >> and also involved the "national enquirer." >> exactly. my problem is i host a radio show and try to make the serious issues easy to digest by people just trying to drive home and get a little bit of information. because so many people, we're a very small minority that does what we do. i think journalists get on their high horse and they're like, why aren't they reading my 8,000 word print, whatever, on the history of whatever. people don't have this kind of time. a lot of people are working two jobs just trying to get by. and they just want information in the kind that they can get. so i don't have a problem with the media molding with the times. >> so it is popcorn or revealing of character and how candidates deal with this swirl of scandalous charges and countercharges? >> i think it points to a culture that is pretty coarsened and pretty eroded. and this political season is reflective of that, howie. i mean this campaign season is

pretty despicable, i have to say. candidates talking about penis size and hands debates. at conservatives in this race, you have to give us something worth conserving and fighting for. they're not doing that. >> there is a serious debate going on about the future of the country. i mean, you see it in the sanders candidacy and the trump candidacy. people taking on the political establishment. every time that gets any traction, we get distracted by the shiny objects. they're easy to talk about which are the insults and the sexual inendoand here's a picture of my wife and a picture of your wife. >> that's why we're constantly talking on this couch about what this election is going to do for the future of the republican party. it does seem that things are changing and the definition of conservativism has changed dramatically. >> the thing twint say is good journalists rise to the top. there's an interview today. i forget his name. a read yoe show host. that really pressed donald trump, really got him squirming. i think if the right journalist is put in the right situation, you'll get the answers.

i think sometimes it's just journalists want to have, you know, sound bites and entertainment. i think if you put the right person innocent frof the candidates, you'll get decent answers or reflections of who the candidates are. >> two reporters spent 100 minutes on the phone with donald trump talking about the nuances of foreign policy. i think that was a good exercise in journalism. >> i think that's a good exercise. then you get into this question when television that's to compress it, how much traction does a story like that get versus oh, he pointed the finger and said he leaked this thing about me and my family. it's a tough choice. we all grapple with this when we make up our lineups. >> if you look at twitter all weekend long, you think is the biggest story in the country right now. it's not. i think that's where people are getting frustrated. there is such pressing issues. fwhut this add news cycle, people don't have the time for it and they're not really interested in radical islamic jihadism or the real issues at hand. the media, too, the media seems pretty lazy in digging into a lot of these more substantive

issues in washington, d.c. it's much easier to file another story on donald trump or file a story on ted cruz and let everybody else discuss it. >> well, every once in a while reality intrudes on the reality show campaign. we saw this with the brussels bombing most recently and the attacks in pakistan on sunday. the media tends to get more serious. but, you know, we have short attention spans. it's easy to be distracted by the latest bid of popcorn. >> yeah. but that's what tabloids are. and normally we see celebrities on the cover of life and style and in touch much it's like blake shelton and gwen stefani. oh, my goodness. >> hasn't that been a huge change in this election? maybe can you comment further on. this you watch this more than anybody. but the cover of "us weekly," i was two political stories. ted cruz's story, of course, that's happening right now and donald trump. i mean that, to me, i -- i'm not used to seeing. that it was the top stories and top trending stories.

>> donald trump, whatever you -- would you agree or disagree with him and his poll stiz, he uses twitter as a weapon. he's on hundreds and hundreds of shows. he seizes the free air time because he makes himself available and also he's interested. >> and it's free. he's being outspent as it's been point out 10-1. but still, he's got more traction than anyone because he's using that coverage so effectively because it is free much he's figured out how to use that to best -- >> somebody amplify his personality. >> covering the rallies endlessly when they don't get that, that's unfair. but when he subjects himself to questioning from the sunday talk show hosts or anchors or me or anyone else that, earned media. you're taking the journalistic questions. >> why hasn't anything stuck to donald trump? what is your take on that? why the media has thrown everything they can and nothing sticks? >> critics say it's because we in the media haven't reported this or. that we haven't looked into his business background.

we have done all of that. the fact is that people who like donald trump and his message feel like he is running not just against the political establishment but against the media establishment. they don't tend to trust us. they trust him. so far, at least, okay th, that the one that is going to bring him down. so far he is teflon. >> fun being on that couch. coming up, new stories say the fbi may be close to wrapping up its e-mail probe just as hillary clinton is trying to fend off bernie sanders in tuesday's wisconsin prime airy. and later, some truly embarrassing journalism about george cloony.

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any words for the critics? what can i say? critties gonna neg. [ applause ] the what?! [ laughs ] "the washington post" reported this week on the investigation of hillary clinton's e-mail saying that 147 fbi agents are involved in the case. the paper later retracted that account and the actual number is fewer than 50. still an eye popping figure for a controversy of the former secretary of state has long insisted has been hyped about it media and her republican critics. we're back now with the panel. kiersten powers sh the fbi agents seems like a lot, is there too much media speculation about how this media probe can end? will there be an indictment as opposed to, i don't know, waiting for the outcome of the probe? >> it would be nice to wait the at the same time, i think it is newsworthy that this investigation is going on. and sort of looms over the presidential race for people who believe that she could get

indicted. that would obviously really change the dynamics of the race. it seems like a news story and there should be a way to talk about it. but that doesn't reach any conclusions. we don't really know what the conclusion is going to be. >> right. because it's a criminal investigation. many pundits say that the whole thing is rigged, the obama administration is never going to bring an indictment against the democratic presidential front-runner as if the anybody anybody is incapable of doing their job. isn't that speculation? >> of course it's speculation. i think it is also trying to lower expectations for conservatives. you know, not to get too far out in front. but has there not been enough? i think there hasn't been enough reporting on hillary clinton, the e-mail scandal. you called it criminal investigation. she calls it a security review. and even bernie sanders, her primary rival, after defending her now says, you no he what? this is really worth looking into. you have general michael flynn, the former director of the defense intelligence agency under obama saying that anybody who is under this cloud of suspicion has no right to be

running for president of the united states. >> there used to be an undependent counsel law for situations like. this both democrats and republicans let it zpexpire. i have a sound bite to play four. this is hillary clinton on campaign trail. she was confronted by a greenpeace activist on the subject of the contributions she is taking and let's look at how she responded. >> i have not taken money from people who work for fos you will fuel companies. i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about this. >> what did you make of that xa exchange? >> i thought that was a good moment for her. >> i do, too. >> it showed excitement and passion. and i think part of her problem for this whole campaign is bernie sanders has been the one with the passion and the excitement. >> everything almost she does is so carefully calibrated. she got mad. we saw the real hillary. and on the substance of it, she has -- her campaign has taken

contributions from people who happen to work for the oil and gas industry, not from the corporations giving to a pac. so "the washington post" gave the charge by sanders 3 pin oak yoes. >> it is the bernies grassroots organization versus mrs. clin n clinton's corporate organization. >> it's funny how you get taking money from an illegal oil company is considered now some horrible thing. another sound bite for you and this is senator sanders talking to msnbc about donald trump and this is fallout of donald trump's remarks about abortion. >> but because media is what media is today and any stupid, absurd remark made by donald trump becomes the story of the week. >> you are suggesting though that the media shouldn't be focusing on his call to potentially jail women who have abortions? >> so this is a standard sanders refrain. he went on to say, no, it should be talked about.

we should talk about all of donald trump's position that's the media are not serious about this stuff. how can you not cover that story? >> yeah. of course you have to cover it. it's a substantive issue also. its not like they're covering something that's silly. in this case we can say the media is doing their job. and this was a substantive thing that he said. he did retract it. but i think many people found it alarming and you can be -- say something that hasn't been totally thought through. >> i think for senator sanders, this is something that donald trump is sucking up so much of the media attention. i think that is really what he is trying to say which is i want more attention for me. >> half a minute. primary, bernie sanders is winning five of the last six states. if he wins wisconsin, will it convince the press that he actually could win the nomination or is that just 5:00 dem snik. >> number there is momentum and then there is math. he doesn't have the math to get to the right number of delegates. she's got most of the super delegates who are the establishment. because of that, she has such a lock on those, he would have to

win two-thirds of everything going forward. i don't think anyone thinks that's going to happen. >> media love momentum, they hate math. we all had trouble with math in high school. thank you for stopping by. after the break, "saturday night live" beating up on donald trump. we weigh in on the cultural attacks on the donald. later, why is hollywood freaking out over what susan serandon said about donald trump? yes, we are twins. when i went on to ancestry, i just put in the name of my parents and my grandparents. i was getting all these leaves and i was going back generation after generation. you start to see documents and you see signatures of people that you've never met. i mean, you don't know these people, but you feel like you do. you get connected to them. >> test test. >> test test

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another bad week for donald trump with women. joining me to talk about it from the tea party news network is donald trump defender scotty nell hughes. >> high, kate.

as a woman, i like donald trump but as a full-blown nut job, i friging love him. >> when i say women, you say suck. women. >> suck. >> women. >> suck. >> saturday night live mocking donald trump. joining us a fox news contributor. when trumped supposed alleged hostility to women moves from the op ed payments from snl is that a cultural barometer, hard to change? >> it's significant. even if people are starting to get a feeling that there is something wrong you can still turn it. once they have decided that they don't like you or that they don't trust you, they never come back. no matter what the print journalis say or what tv says. in this case, with snl it's now ridicule. >> it's not laughing with trump as in earlier skits. >> it's laughing at him and making a judgment. >> this has been the best year

for snl hadn a long time. but they are securing trump, and everyone is laughing at him, not with him. >> we talked about maureen dowd's comment in the new york times if which he uttered these words, yeah, it was a mistake, this is referring to his reunflattering picture of heidi cruz, ted cruz's wife next to a picture of his wife? >> i don't think he hears it. in watching him, as someone who has done this now for 25 years, i don't see -- i don't see that he feels it. it's what makes him so tough that he can withstand any criticism, from the networks and the print journalists. but i don't think that he feels it as a person. he needs -- there is only one show to do this on. "60 minutes". he needs to go and emote. >> i thought you were going to say emote. like sitting on donald trump's couch. we see his emotions a you will

the time. >> that's aggression. him as in your face. he needs to be sit back and be self reflective. that's not something he is. >> i think what journalis miss is, look, this tough guy, street fighter persona is what got him to this place in the gop race. also, this is how he was in new york for years and years and became an international celebrity. >> what gets you to the nomination does not get you through the general election. i'm watching newspapers already say that the election is over. there hasn't been a convention. >> before you give me this answer you set me up nicely. new york times front page lead story. trump could face a humiliating loss in the fall if he gets the nomination. he could be hard pressed to get the delegates. >> i remember when michael dukakis was ahead against george w. bush. aren't these prognostications premature? >> walter mondale was tied with ron reagan in 1984 and lost in a

land slide. five days before the election rag skpan carter were tied. they had a debate and that changed everything. we have to see what happens in the conventions. and most importantly, the first presidential debate. mitt romney won that debate. if he had done the same way in the second and third debates he could have been elected president. the debates matter. >> we have less than half a minute. when you look at stories like this, it is a data analysis and you want to talk about unfavorables and so forth. do you think we are too much in the prediction business? >> they have every right to tell us how things would be if things don't change. but i want viewers to understand that things do change. this is the most fluid election ever and people are changing their minds all the time. >> that's why we have campaigns and if the polls were predictive job bush would be the republican nominee. he is out of the race. still to come, susan sarandon in a celebrity spat for failing to condemn donald trump. and someone says journalism has and someone says journalism has just reached a new low.

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in i never get why the media are enamored by movie stars and their political views. susan sarandon said on msnbc that bernie supporters won't be able to bring themselves to vote for hillary clinton. >> what about you personally? >> i don't know. i'm going to see what happens. >> really? >> really. >> i can't believe? >> some people feel donald trump will bring the revolution immediately. >> what? she might back trump over hillary? this brought a blast from debra messing. sigh san sarandon muses that trump presidency will be better for the country? susan should read the interviews not just read the headlines. i guess in some celebrity

circles failing to denounce trump is unacceptable. george clooney says hello magazine revealed his wife's most attractive feature. the problem is that clooney says he never talked to hello. the magazine says it bought the interview from anna respectable independent agent and the interview is cobbled together from old interviews. >> hello? you published a false piece of garbage and you are defending it? you should apologize to clooney or kiss your credibility good-bye. follow me on twitter at howard kurtz. we hope you like your facebook page. we post original content there. i respond on video to your questions if you e-mail with a

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