word of the day, do not be a skelam when writing to the factor. again, thank you for watching us. miss megyn is here. remember the spin stops here. we're looking out for you. breaking tonight, we are down to the final stretch now in the republican race for the nominati nomination, experts now say donald trump's past to winning a majority of the delegates is plausible but perilous. and we are officially now looking at the most dramatic political cliff-hanger in the last 40 years. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. we're just six days out from a contest that has proven to be a wild and unexpected campaign season. next tuesday, five states will vote in the so-called acela primary, a reference to the high-speed train that services the northeast corridor. in all 118 total delegates are up for grabs in that primary.

while those contests are important, front-runner donald trump is already setting his sights on another primary, less than two weeks from tonight. indiana. a state political watch irs say could make or break this entire election. if ted cruz dominates there, he could shut down trump's path to 1237. if donald trump state handily, he may have this thing s sewn up. at a rally today, the front-runner again complained about the nominating system and then a short time later down in florida trump's chief rival worked not the voters but the party elite, holding private audiences with the folks who control the rules and some of the votes. and ted cruz had a message for donald trump in hitting back. here's mr. trump followed by senator ted cruz. >> it's rigged for the lobbyists. it's rigged for the donors. and it's rigged for the special interests. it's dishonest. they can take the delegates.

they can put them in airplanes and fly them to resorts. they can have dinners with them. they can put them in hotels. essentially what they'recy s se is they can buy the election. >> donldz whines about it is unfair that he doesn't get more delegates. you don't hear me up here complaining and whining, gosh, it is so unfair that new york republicans have their votes count more than double what texas republicans have. >> in moments shgz we'll be joined by larry stab adough to talk about the path forward tore trump and cruz. we'll also be joined by a member of reagan's cabinet, bill bennett. we begin with our chief political correspondent reporting from washington, carl cameron. >> trump had a huge night in his home state crushing both of his rife alz and making it mathematically impossible for cruz to reach the 1237 delegates needed to clinch the nomination before the convention in july.

trump was actually in indiana today where he met with gop governor mike pence a conservative member of the republican establishment that he has been bashing for the last two years. trump held a rally where despite efforts by his team of experienced washington insiders to bring his candidacy to a new level, the insults and personal attacks continued. >> indiana has lost one in five manufacturing jobs since china joined the world trade organization 2002. ted cruz supports chinese currency cheating, lyin' ted cruz, lyin' ted. lies. oh, he lies. you know ted. he brings the bible, holds it high, puts it down, lies. >> cruz got blanked last night, zero delegates. today he went to florida to court republican national committee members at their final planning meeting before the convention in july. he admit admitted that like john kasich it's impossible to win the nomination ubls there is a contested convention. but he argued that trump wasn't

make it either. >> i'm not going to reach 1237 and donald trump is not going to reach 1237. we're going to arrive in cleveland with me having a ton of delegates and with donald having a ton of delegates. and at that point it is going to be a battle to see who is earn the support of the majority of the delegates elected by the people. >> kasich came in second in new york and picked up four delegates. he too is in florida kortding republican national committee members with the assertion when the delegates get to cleveland in july they will realize he's the most experienced and polls best against clinton. it is still possible for trump to win 1237 and reach the nomination outright, but still fwaent states are left to vote and he'll have to win at least the 57% remaining delegates with both rivals trying to trip him up at every turn. >> carl, thank you. you heard ted cruz arguing that no one is getting to 1237 before the convention. is he right? larry saab adough is the director of the university of

virginia center of politics. larry, you say there are five things that trump needs to do to win this thing outright before getting to the convention and conversely that ted cruz needs to stop him from dog. number one is do more than just win all five states next tuesday in that acela primary. what do you mean fwhai? >> trump is obviously going to win those states itch think he's well ahead. but what did he do last night in new york? he exceeded expectations. i don't know of anybody who projected 90 delegates for him out of 95. he needs to repeat that in at least some of the states next tuesday because, megyn, he's going to need every delegate no matter what last night looked like on the way to getting 1237 by the time we get through this process june 7th. >> the next one is win indiana. tell us. >> you correctly mentioned indz indiana. that is may 3rd. always watch the eye

continueries of the candidates. where did trump go after his big new york win? he didn't go to any of the states voting next tuesday. he went to indiana that's voting on may 3rd because he knows he needs to win it or come very close to winning it if he's going to stay on the path. >> how does it look there? i mean, how do you see indiana shaking out right now? >> it's close. it bears a lot of resemblance to missouri, and you remember missouri was decided by 0 two-tenths of one percent of the delegates. trump edged out cruz. it doesn't have to end the same way obviously, but that is going to be be a critical state. those are delegates that both sides need trump to win on the first ballot cruz to stop him from winning on the first ballot. >> number three, win at least a majority of delegates in west virginia's primary, which is on may 10th. how important is that? it's a weird state when it comes to voting. >> boy, megyn, we could waste the rest of your show talking

about the peculiarities, but let's not. people ought to look into it, though, because it's an outrage how they allocate delegates. trump has to convert what i think will be a solid majority in west virginia into delegates. it won't be easy. >> expect to hear more about it being rigged when we get to west virginia on may 10th. number four, be competitive in oregon, washington and new mexico. some of these are mail-in voting. i guess are these cruz favored states? >> a lot of people think that cruz will do well in at least two of those three states, new mexico who knows. oregon and washington state seem to me that to probably both sides are going to get some delegates out of there, but, boy, the mail-in balloting system makes it almost impossible to predict. >> right. there's drama built in. last but not least, win california and capture two-thir

two-thirds or more of its delegates. let me ask, if donald surprises and takes indiana, i realize it's not winner take all, could ted cruz still shut him down when they get to california, given the way california is looking right now? would that not be possible if trump really runs away in indiana? >> it would be difficult, but it is possible. according to our calculations anyway, trump is going to have to win about two-thirds of the congressional districts in california. he's going to need somewhere around 118 delegate s out of 17 given to california. that's doable for him, but he has to maintain the momentum from the big victory last night and the probable big victories next tuesday. >> then there's some cruz leaning states in there. so the question about momentum is out there. larry says possible but perilous at his crystal ball. keep your eye on that. larry, great to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >> from the time we started talking about a contested republican convention, people have been talking about a white

knight. that would be some third party not even running right now who might show up to accept the nomination if the party remains divided. if neither trump or cruz can get the required delegates on the first or second ballot, how likely is that that the white knight swoops in? when we went to the computer tonight and searched new stories for the term white knight, we got 142,000 responses. of course some may have been about palaces. our next guest is bill bennett. he may end up being one of the voting delegates in cleveland. he served as secretary of education under president reagan author of the new book "tried by fire." bill, great to see you. >> thank you. >> i know that you're now hearing a new name when it comes to white knights. paul ryan has said, it's not good to be me. stop looking at me. now you're hearing party elites throw out another name. tell us who it is. >> i heard the name mitch daniels today, which is interesting given the coincidence of trump going to indiana. but are all sorts of names. it may be a roundtable of

knights. i'll be secretary arthur. >> you've got the right hair. >> yes. thank you, good for something. it's good for something. >> is there -- you know this party well, better than anybody. what are the odds of someone like mitch daniels coming out of this as the nominee? >> i don't think they're great, megyn. i think it will be one of those three. and i think -- i can't question larry's microanalysis, but let's look a little bit macro at this. this is momentum. trump really won big in new york. and cruz finished third, a dismal third. very bad for cruz. remember, cruz told kasich when it became mathematically impossible for kasich to win, you should drop out of the race. has anybody made that suggestion to cruz? i don't think so. >> kasich kasich has. >> all right, kasich has. but cruz isn't going to do it. i'm also a little curious about the auspices of this meeting here in florida, aren't you? i mean, cruz -- >> didn't they say this is the

rnc -- that they meet three times a year and this is par for the course and cruz is making his case as well as kasich going down there as well. >> was he invited? was kasich invited? trump invited? >> i don't know. you're the party guy. >> would trump not go because of the establishment here? that's the question. but there's something else going on, which is bsh because a lot of the analysis is about the 1237 as it should be. but i am seeing a growing sentiment even on part of some people who don't like trump that the guy who gets the most votes if it's a lot, 1100 or so, well, those delegates may just lean in that direction because this criticism that donald trump is making is having some impact about votes should translate to delegates. >> but do you see -- you know, there's sort of this anti-trump faction in the party that i'd ideologically are opposed to him. they want to see ted cruz go down and work the delegates because they're banking on it getting to a second ballot, the conventional wisdom being that it gets that far trump can't

win. >> they want anybody or anything besides trump. that's why it's called never trump, anybody but trump. they need to think, too, this may be the nominee of their party. they could step up a little bit. they could try to make an effort to talk to donald trump . they could take the high road. you took the high road, megyn. these guys weren't hurt, insulted, put down by donald trump, as you were. you went over there to see him, which i think was impressive, if i might say, because this guy is important. i know it's your job, but this guy may be the president of the united states. so people have closed their minds on this and closed the door. i don't think they should because they need to think about what it is that this guy is saying that is resonating with so many people. and if it's not trump, is there a big enough group inside the republican party, inside the republican faithful, to win an election? >> thank you for your kind words. i was very much hoping to turn a page on that score and hopefully we have now. bill, always a pleasure. >> we just want to know what happened, what went on.

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the states run, the delegate allocation process for their states. the republican party writes rules for the nomination of the republican party. >> that was rnc chair reince priebus speaking just a couple of hours ago here on fox as the republican national committee

launches its last big meeting before the summer convention in cleveland. the gop is hearing pitches from the candidates and determining whether any of the convention rules can be changed. that has the potential to undermine which candidate becomes the nominee. with the stakes that high, we wanted a "kelly file" insider down there to get us information. so we sent this guy, fox news digital politics editor chris stirewalt to get the real story. he's in hollywood in florida where the rnc is meeting. chris, what is the mood there? what are you hearing? >> reporter: look, normally, this meeting is attending to the verb and crackle as seafood night at the country club. but this year it's on. and the reporters are all here and the buzz is high. but really what's happening is the republican party is freaking out. a collective freak-out is taking place because they're afraid of their convention. they're afraid of getting slaughtered in the fall. and they are running for life rafts. they're looking for a way out of

it. the campaigns are here trying to reassure them and tell them it's possible. john kasich was here today. i talked to people who heard his briefing, what he said and basically said, white knight will ride in, i'll be that white knight. we don't care what anybody voted for. it doesn't matter if i don't win anything. i'll just be the guy at the end. i don't think that was very convincing. ted cruz was here. he's the guy these people like, tht the rank and file -- he's a republican, they're republicans. he's conservative, they're conservative. rank and file republicans we see this in contests around theited. he's more like them than any of the other candidates. now we have trump's team here, and they're running a double message. on the one hand, trump's out in indiana talking about filth and ted cruz and lyi lyin' ted and e all the way back to and we'll be at scummy ted in a week, i'm sure. but down here it's a totally

different message. down here the message from team trump to these guys, i've talked to people who have been part of the woo and the message is, donald's not so bad. we're not -- we don't want anything bad to happen at the convention. if you just give us what we want, everything will go smoothly. we're not -- i would say the shortest way i could say it is, the complaint from team trump about crookedness will cease to exist if it's crooked in their favor. basically that's what they're asking for. >> meantime, ted cruz's whole game is to woo unbound delegates into woo delegates who will be free in the second ballot. bill bennett our last guest said he heard ted cruz personally spent half hour on the phone with one delegate in pennsylvania trying to convince that person to come over. you're allowed to do it, but he is working those delegates. trump, meantime, is working the voters out in the states. >> reporter: sure. >> there are two tracks here going on. what is happening down in florida in terms of the so-called establishment? are they warming to donald trump? are they warming to ted cruz? because you say they should like

him, but he's been hated by the establishment, too. >> reporter: oh, exactly. so ted cruz is standing on the precipice of one of the great rip-offs in the history of electoral politics, which is this. if the republican establishment out of a combination of fear of riots, fear of violence at the convention, fear of ugliness, if they fall in line behind trump out of that fear combined by will amol yumts. trump is hiring the consultants, spending the money. he's playing the game. if they fall in behind trump, that means they could change the rules in such a way that ted cruz's chance for that 90-yard kickoff return to win the nomination in cleveland, they could shut that off for him, and that's what ted cruz is facing, that the party elders, the party establishment, could hose him at the end. >> trump sees that as the current system as a steal, that the voters say what they want, then the party steals the vote.

and you're suggesting that if cruz plays by the rules and the rules get changed, that is in essence a steal for him. so basically what you're telling me is the honeymoon is potentially on between trump and the party. >> reporter: this isn't the honeymo honeymoon. this is like the first long weekend the couple suspended together. nobody belches. everybody is on their best behavior. they're trying to be who they're not. they're not on the honeymoon yet. >> you wake up in the morning and put on some lip gloss. >> reporter: right. i was just sitting here like this. exactly. i haven't gone to the bathroom in months. >> great to see you, chris. >> reporter: you bet. >> he's fun. well, a major blow for hundreds of thousands of people when it comes to obamacare. as the country's biggest insurance company says it's out. it is pulling out of the system

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>> announcer: from the world headquarters of the fox news, it oes the kelly file" with megyn kelly. growing controversy for democrats today after hillary clinton's big win in new york. despite secretary clinton wracking up big numbers and looking more and more like she will be the nominee, senator bernie sanders says he's staying in this race and plans to keep the heat on mrs. clinton and that could be a problem. political analysts are asking if candidate clinton is suffering permanent damage from attacks like these. watch. >> in the last filing report, her major super pac listed 25

million in special interest funding, including 15 million from wall street. secretary clinton has given speeches behind closed doors to wall street firms for $225,000 a speech. must be an earth-shattering speech! must be a speech written in shakespearean prose. >> joining me now, democratic national committee chair and florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. great to see you. you have to give him points on that, shack peerian prose, though who would pay $225,000 to listen to that. the question is legitimate, though, about whether he is hurting her. in the same way many think the ongoing republican race could be hurting the nominee. is this prolonged race on your side hurting her if she becomes

the nominee? >> i don't think so. really, you can point to the evidence that we have in new york last night when exit polls showed that 7 in 10 new york voters coming out of the polling place were energized and enthusiastic about our candidate and less than 40% of republicans said that. you've got republican senators and other elected officials and candidates not to even attend and aninouncing they won't atted the national republican convention. at this point in 2008, our primary was much more divisive than this one has been, and while i'm very proud of both of our candidates for really focusing on substantive issues in our debates and throughout this campaign, i do continue to caution them to not really get intense and divisive so that it harms our ability to come together. >> what do you think, though, even though you're right about the numbers of the democrats who say, i'm okay with either one, i prefer this one, but i'll go. her negatives are going up.

i mean, they always go up in these contests, but her negatives are pretty high, chairwoman. her image that record or near record lows among many major demographic groups, men she's minus 40, women minus 9, whites minus 39, white women minus 25, white men minus 72. these are record numbers especially compared to barack obama four and eight years ago. >> well, megyn, bottom line, you do the head-to-head matchup, and either one of our candidates beats any of the republican candidates. when you are looking at energy and enthusiasm, that's really what is helping voters decide whether they're going to go out and be motivated enough to vote for a candidate, work for a candidate, organize, knock on doors, make phone calls. those are the kind of stats that i want to see when it comes to the momentum that either one of our candidates is going to have going into a general election, going into the convention, and ultimately going head-to-head

with the republican neem. the republicans are still at civil war. donald trump who's almost for sure going to be their nominee has been at the throat of reince priebus and the rest of the rnc. so they're not talking about substantive issues. they're mired in chaos. that contrast is going to bode well for us when it comes to a general election because we're getting ready to be prepared for the general election and they're still fighting. >> hillary got in trouble doing a skit with mayor bill de blasio here in new york where he made a reference to cp, and that is understood as a racial slur, colored people. it should be said is ma married to a person of color and has two children who are also. but they played it off like they meant cautious politician. then she came under fire for participating in this enl from some of her advocates. did she make a mistake? >> you know, i have been asked over and over to comment on different aspects or things that

each of our candidates have said. i just think it's inappropriate for me to weigh in on things like that. that's better asked of the candidates themselves and the people that are specifically advocating on behalf of those candidates. i'm focused on the general election. >> that is officially the ten-foot pole and our cue to wrap it up. thanks for being here. >> thanks, megyn. >> as we mentioned, the "wall street journal" released a poll saying 50% of voters have a negative view of hillary clinton, meaning her negatives outweigh her positives by 24 points as you can see. on more of what this could mean for the general election, dana perino, author of "the good news is," now out in paperback. >> lighter. same material but less weight. >> and mother's day is coming. >> true. >> what did you make of what she said? what jumped out at you? >> a couple of things. i don't think it's bernie sanders driving down hillary clinton's numbers. i think she is driving down her own numbers baugh she hasn't put

forward a compelling reason for her campaign. and the other thing is, the super pacs in particular america rising and american crossroads, they have been hammering hillary clinton on trustworthiness and honesty for about 18 months and i think that is certainly having an effect. so while the republican race, all things she said is true, chaotic, the numbers on the republican side at least for donald trump worse, ted cruz not much better, that is true. but i think turnout on the republican side being what it is, her negative numbers being what they are, it's very difficult i think with 100% name i.d. to move those numbers significantly in the next few months. >> what do you think -- when you do thehead tohead matchup, hillary versus trump, she beats him in most polls. her overall numbers are better than his when it comes to favorables. but you know his response is, give me time. >> give me a chance. >> give me time. i haven't started on her. and the reality is, we have seen

him take out -- how many were there? 18? >> 14 candidates, right? who are now on the way side. >> talented, well-liked republicans. >> true. >> so does that make sense his argument? >> i think his supporters will say that, and you know what? i can see that. if the stars align and he's able to go after her, remember what he did just a few months ago when they were going to attack him on sexual ha ralsment type things. donald trump said, don't you dare. >> on sexism. >> on sexism. >> because the thing is, hillary clinton is going to get tied to bill clinton's actions and her support of her husband, the president, during that time. >> that's right. >> if that's the lane we're going down in this race. >> and maybe what they'll do is just to cancel each other out. but i would also submit that donald trump has not been under withering attacks from the left yet. and that is coming. >> some. she's put out a few. >> she has. but the whole kit and caboodle

that comes with hollywood, most of the mainstream media, that hasn't really started yet. >> do you believe they're holding back? they have attack ads on him or research that they're holding back? we've heard that. david brock the guy who runs media matters and hillary's surrogate incredibly. >> i don't know. if you're donald trump and so well known, i don't know what else there is to know. right? maybe they do have things that nobody has ever heard about. but he's been able to weather most of the storm. she's weathering the storms but in a way that basically has her under water at 56% negative. >> understanding that trump's unfavorables are higher than cruz's by about 9 points or so, do you still think she would rather run against -- which one would you think she'd rather run against, cruz or trump? >> i don't think she wants to run against john kasich, governor of ohio, because he's the only one who shows in a head-to-head he could bead her. i think they used to think they would love to run against donald

chu trump. >> because they know how to run against ted cruz. >> they do. p it's familiar. >> right. the math with a ted cruz -- >> war on women. >> it's 2008. 20 telephone. she has the coalition. as long as bernie sanders brings his people along, solid. but you know what? we don't know. nobody -- we haven't seen two front-runners with this high of negatives ever run against each other. it's going to be very interesting and can they move the numbers up enough? even if they can't, if those are the last two choices, someone is going to win. >> it could be the eyore election. i don't have a tail. dana, great to see you. he's adorable. when obamacare took effect, a lot of critics warned that the insurance companies would never be able to handle the losses. now that prediction has come true for americus's largest insurance firm. mark teasen and robert zimmerman are next on what this means for

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for a new plan altogether. and in florida alone, nearly 300,000 people will now have only one insurance company to choose from. that's bad because when there is no competition, premiums almost certainly will rise. the obama administration is downplaying the pullout with the health and human services spokesman saying, quote, the marketplace should be judged by the choices it offers consumers, not the decision of any one issuer. and experts agree this isn't the death nail for obamacare, but it is a strong signal the system isn't performing the way it was meant to. for example, blue cross blue shield says health care spending for people in the exchanges is 22% higher than for employer-based insurance. in other words, obamacare enrollees are paying less and using more. aetna, anthem, humana and several blue cross plans have also reported losses. none of those companies are planning to pull out, but some are planning to merge and

analysts say all of themful look to increase premiums. now, the states have the power to reject rate increases, but then the catch 22 is they also risk losing more insurance companies. megyn. >> trace, thank you. joining me with more, marc thiessen a fox news contributor and former chief speech writer for president bush and robert zimmerman a dnc committee member. good to see you both. >> hello. >> this is not good, marc. this is not good. >> no, this is not good at all. i mean, the commercial insurers are hemorrhaging money on obamacare. united lost a billion dollars, billion with "b" in just two years by participating in this exchange. and the reason is simple. there are more sick people coming into the exchanges than there are healthy people to pay for them. and they're not alone. you've got highmark, the fourth largest blue cross blue shield member in the country, $773 million in losses. health services corporation $2 billion in losses.

blue cross of north carolina $400 million in losses. so what's happening is, when these insurers are losing money, they have three choices. they can scale back their coverage. they can can -- and provide less doctors, they can raise prices or they can get out. more and more what you're seeing is they're going to start getting out. >> robert, is this not a failure? i mean, you tell me how this is -- how the administration can be comfortable with this and say the system is working. >> well, actually, when capitalism works, obamacare succeeds. what's really what's going on here. i mean, marc, really, you have to start watching fox news more. because if you did, you would know the fox business channel reported that anthem and cigna are in fact expanding their conferage in the marketplace and reaching out and trying to get more people to enroll through them through the health insurance marketplace. it's also important to point out, while i know that you're concerned about the health insurance industry, certainly unitedhealthcare's stock has gone up 70% since the marketplace has opened for obamacare and the big five stock

market has gone up -- their shares have gone up for 75%. the point here megyn is the more competition you have, the better it is. marc and i agree on that. in this situation, we have a matter where unitedhealthcare similar mrif overpriced their market place. in fact, in three big marketplaces, ohio florida and i believe texas, in those three marketplaces, 95% of the people who were applying for health insurance could go to a company and get it cheaper than unitedhealthcare provided. they were too expensive. they weren't competitive. that's why they failed. that's why other insurance companies -- >> go ahead, marc. >> one of the reasons they're so expensive is because the obama administration put all these mandates on what they have to cover. they have to cover contraception for elderly people and all the rest of it. these are the things the administration forced on the insurers they have to provide. then you have all these sick people coming in and using coverage and not enough healthy people coming in. what's happening, megyn, it's not a death nail for obamacare.

but a fundamental change is happening. what's happening is the commercial insurers are getting out andth replaced by medicaid providers who are offering low bare-bones plans that basically mirror who they offer medicaid people which is the worst -- the coverage we provide for the poorest of the poor in this country. >> marc, i have to point out. >> hold on, robert. >> let him finish. >> three-quarters of them in the obamasystem -- they're being forced into obamacare getting government subsidized health care but into medicaid-style government health care. so this is a bad deal for them. >> i have to point out, marc, in fact, we have more insurance companies competing per state than ever before. in 2014 there were on the average of r of eight snshs companies perfect state, 2015 there were nine, now in 2016 there are approximately ten insurance companies per state competing in the obamacare marketplace. that's competition. that's why obamacare is expanding their services to 20

million citizens who are paying less for insurance. >> robert, the fact is it's not just united. many companies say they're losing a lot of money, nearly a billion dollars, in some cases. so people are worrying they'll lose the plan they chose and the doctors that they're now going to. my question for you, therefore, is whether this becomes an issue for the democrats in an election year. >> actually, this was an issue in the last presidential election. you saw president obama win very handily. i don't believe it's going to be an issue. >> this type of thing hadn't yet begun. obamacare was frontloaded with the goodies. >> actually, i think we've seen over time as obamacare has moved forward we're seeing more people enroll. now there are 20 million americans benefitting from obamacare and we're actually seeing our country spend less on health insurance -- >> so you don't see it as an election issue. robert does not see it as an election issue and marc does. got to go. >> thanks, megyn. >> great to be with you.

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well, it's a story we reported on earlier this week on "the kelly file" and today the pressu treasury department made it official. harriet tubman will replace andrew jackson as the new face on the $20 bill beginning in 2020. the reaction before the break by dr. ben carson set off a debate today but the former presidential candidate is standing by his suggestion that miss tubman does not belong on the $20. >> are you anti-harriet tubman? >> no, i love harriet tubman. i love what she did but we can find another way to honor her, maybe a $2 bill. >> dr. ben carson joins us now. the $2? the $2 is like the -- nobody -- the $2? what? >> the point being we have lots of options here.

we can have a $200 bill, but, you know, andrew jackson was the last president who actually eliminated the national debt. that's no small feat here. we also had the possibility of putting one person on the front of the bill and one on the back of the bill. >> that's what's happening. he's moving to the back. she's moving to the front. >> it doesn't matter who's on the front or who's upon the back but the point being, that would be very symbolic because, you know, harriet tubman was a slave, herself. andrew jackson was a slave owner. and to give them equality like that, i think would be a great symbol. >> you're making jack lew's argument, he's saying that's what i'm doing, jackson's there, he goes to the back and the woman who fought -- who was a slave and fought slavery and fought for women's rights as well, she's going to the front, so what's your problem, dr. carson? >> it's not a problem. in fact, i think, you know, there's been so many great women in the history of america, the

fact that we don't have any of them on any of our currency i think is a shame. and we have an opportunity now to do that. so that really was the point that i'm making. i don't think we necessarily have to kick somebody else out of the way. >> especially when it's not even -- >> we have plenty of opportunities to honor those who have done great things. >> kind of mean. you know, greta was suggesting earlier we should create a new bill, have a $25 bill, everybody wins. ma what do you think of that? >> that's a good possibility, too. we have lots of possibilities. all kinds of things we can do. but, you know, as you can imagine, there will come a time when we won't have currency at all. i don't think it's all that far into the future. >> you know, you can't please everybody. >> let's enjoy it while we can. >> some groups today came out and said, look, harriet tubman was bought and sold as a commodity and the treasury, unless it's a master of irony, is not getting that maybe she wouldn't want to be the symbol of a bill at all. your thoughts on that? >> you know, it doesn't really

matter what you do, somebody's going to be offended. >> you know about this. >> that's the society we live in. i do know about that. it's kind of ridiculous, but that's why i don't pay it a whole lot of attention. >> what do you think of the fact that -- i get the controversy, like don't mess with the money, it's like, you know, these are sort of symbols in people's lives. what do you make of the fact that we're about to celebrate the 100-year anniversary in a few years of women's suffrage and there is no woman anywhere on -- like they couldn't find a woman who did something worthy of going anywhere on the currency? >> susan b. anthony. >> all she got was that crappy coin, nobody wants to use that. >> no. i think it's abominable. i think we ought to do something about it and i'm hopeful that this discussion will encourage us not to do just one little symbolic thing here but really to open it up. >> got it. amen, dr. carson. always a pleasure. >> all right. you, too, megyn. >> we'll be right back. the $2. an. an. if you're totally blind,

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